Is there any website or software to submit the website to all the search engines. And get listed in top 20.
I tried few websites but I guess most of them are fake or don't work for submitting.
What are the search enginess criteria to get listed do they use meta or what?
Please let me know the complete url.

I'm sure if there were such tool, then 20 sites would have already been submitted and placed in the "top 20". :D

I would say, the only way you can climb in the search engines, it would be to show some $$$.

How much $$$ search engine wants for top 10 position.

I have no idea. I know some of them took money for top positions, but not sure anymore.

I don't know the exactly number, but I'm prety sure that they ask a LOT $$$.
Remember that there are millions of web sites.

Jolly, its not about money in search engines. Yes, you can pay thousands and advertise, but it is about algorithms and meta tags. Each search engine is different. You need special keywords in your pages and different' robots to get your page up in rank. If you have a page on pornography and your keywords are tiger woods, lee travino, etc, you aren't going to be ranked high at all because some search engines spider the pages (google)

I am looking for the best search engine

google, altavista, msn, excite, hotbot, infoseek, aol,
and the one you use most :D

Here are some sites that explain how to get a good ranking.

http://www.selfpromotion.com/

http://www.bruceclay.com/

Oh, and the best search engine is Google of course, jolly :D

You could try visiting http://www.searchenginewatch.com/ or http://spider-food.net/

Spider food also has an excellent forum which is pretty active,

Hope this helps,

Also depends on the search criteria. One word more or less can change the results completely.

Further, some fields are so crowded that without paying big $$$ you don't stand much of chance of getting into the top 10 or 20.

You can kinda buy your way into top ten positions using Goto, but that won't get you anywhere in Google, Lycos, MSN, Yahoo or Excite. It will also cost more money than it is worth.

While there are plenty of sites out there who will submit you to the top search engines (try the submitter at www.jimtools.com ), these sites are not designed to get you top 20 rankings.

In order to achieve this, take a look at http://searchengineforums.com -there is a good new members forum there and that should get you started.

Meta tags are not the be all and end all- try to design each page of your site around 2-3 keywords, and make sure that these words are dense on the page. IE: if you are targeting 'web hosting' mention that phrase several times. Create content that is relevant to your main phrase, use heading tags to emphasise the phrase, use links on other pages that mention the phrase when linking to that page, give your pages and images names relating to your main phrases, get lots of links from other relevant sites and you will be on your way.

Then when you get position 56, look again at what other sites have done with their content and tweak and keep tweaking until you compete. Don't go for phrases like 'web host'. try more targeted phrases like 'budget hosting' or web page hosting and keep slogging away.

Hope this helps

Mark

Originally posted by markymark
keep slogging away.
All good advice in that post, Mark, but this is my favorite. Because the point is that if you're gunning for placement with any kind of popular keywords you'll never be finished. Every week something will change and you'll have to react to it.

Back to the original post:Is there any website or software to submit the website to all the search engines. And get listed in top 20. Don't even think that you want to submit to "all" the search engines; however many thousands of them those bulk submission sites will lead you to believe exist. There are a dozen, maybe two, that are even worth thinking about.

Top 20 placement? In any kind of popular category, get ready to do plenty of work, and to keep it up. Check out the sites of "real" search engine optimization firms, and you'll find that they charge thousands of dollars to produce guaranteed results. There's a reason for that: as somebody said earlier, if it were easy to get top 20 placement, everybody would do it. And there aren't enough slots in the top 20 to go around.

And, as someone also already said, each search engine is different. To get maximum placement, you have to know those differences and take advantage of them (or just target one or two search engines). And because their ranking criteria constantly evolves, you have to stay on top of the changes. When you can find them out, because of course it's all secret.

It's like a game. It's lots of fun when you win.

Add web pro
webposition

If u search those two soteware in download.com. you might be able to find something. But I dont know if they are any good.

Submit Wolf is good as well..

Altavista, infoseek, hotbot, and many more use the top 3 or top 10 spots for paid submisisons from
Goto.com and other pay per placement engines. By nmext year all search engines will charge for inclusion
in their database.

Originally posted by kickster
Altavista, infoseek, hotbot, and many more use the top 3 or top 10 spots for paid submisisons from
Goto.com and other pay per placement engines. By nmext year all search engines will charge for inclusion
in their database.

Totally agree with you. Even google does allow you to get to the top of its listings. The top 2 are paid ads, costing around $70CPM.

And is it a coincidence that verio are paying to be at the top of the page under the search term "web hosting" and now they also appear at the top of the unpaid listing as well!

On the one hand I understand the SE's reasons for charging, but its cruicial in my mind that they limit this charging to only a few positions per page. If they go the goto route, then many relevent search results will be lost. Lets face it, how many of us actually use goto, to find anything? hmmm didnt think so ;-)

i used web position gold and submit wolf for one of my clients...he got 4th on google, 6th on Yahoo, 3rd on hotbot, and 4th on lycos...go figure....

I've never found web position gold that good. Its ok at reporting and scheduling, but as for writing pages :(

like people said use relevant meta tags and use mass submission programs to get in all the search engines. I suggest you all use copernic 2001. www.copernic.com for web searches.
:) :eek: :confused: :bawling:

Originally posted by JamesCross
I've never found web position gold that good. Its ok at reporting and scheduling, but as for writing pages :(

I don't know..I used them both and always wondered which one actually gave me those results...i wish it had worked that well for MY site...but I guess the clients should get the better luck!

You'll get in the top 20 if your subject is obscure and few people have the keywords
you use.

If that's not the case, set up your metatags, keep them on subject. Make sure
your keywords are used in the text of the page. Use keywords in alt tags and
links. Reciprocal links also help you get higher placement on some search engines.

For some of engines, you have to resubmit periodically to stay near the top.
For others the opposite is true. But don't overkill or you'll be dropped for
spamming the search engine. Avoid the FFA sites and submission services that
use them. Unless you want tons of spam and listings on Adult sites.

Getting in the top and staying there is hard because the rules are always changing,
so you are shooting for a moving target. Search engines change their algorithm
periodically. The rules that put you near the top today may not be used in 6 months
or worse, may get you kicked out.

I use software, WebPosition Gold, that automates most of the submission process,
keeps me up to date on algorithms and provides tips for improving placement. It also
tells you what not to do (like hidden keywords--that match the background color).
This was a good investment. We had doubled our traffic a month after we started
implementing its suggestions.

Personally, I think search engine ranking is one of the biggest scams on the Internet. People want to believe it works and some will spend considerable sums to try it. On one end, you have the spammers charging a small fee and promising the impossible. Anyone who deals with these liars deserves to be fleeced.

On the other end, you have people charging huge sums, in the thousands of dollars, to do the same thing. Some don't guaranteee results. They only prepare exisiting pages to meet the criteria of some of the major search engines. Otherd do guarantee results, sometimes employing methods that may eventually get one banned from search engines. Of course, those resultsl are usually never seen.

However, by then, as with the much cheaper spammer, they already have their money, so their guarantee is worthless. They move on to the next victim.

Duster,

Usually I think your posts are right on the money. In this instance, though, I feel you have overstepped the mark. While I would agree that there are a lot of fraudsters out there claiming to be able to get top ten positions in search engines as well as a lot of people using dubious methods that will get you banned by the search engines, I would contend your claim that "search engine ranking is one of the biggest scams on the internet".

It IS possible to achieve high rankings in the search engines. I do this for clients every day. However, I do make clear that it can take months to achieve the desired results. I do not use cloaking, doorway pages (in the old sense of the word), invisible links, hallway pages or any of the other techniques you may be referring to. I simply organise and edit a site so that each page is related to 2-3 keywords and so that the main focus of the page is clear to the SE spiders. I use all my knowledge and experience of how search engines look at a page and what they look for to get the best results for my clients. I do not promise miracles and do guarantee results.

More than that I resent the implication that I am some kind of internet low-life preying on the ignorant. I know that your post wasn't aimed at me personally, but your generalisations are just that: generalisations and do not apply to a lot of companies offering search engine positioning. Including mine.

Mark

I can see where you go tthe wrong impression. I didn't fully explain the situation. Yes, genuine results can be achieved. I've done it myself and have a few clients in the top 10 with some of the majors (even as high as number 1).

Although it may not have been clear, I was referring to the charlatans who prey in the ignorant using search engine rankings as the lure. It was not meant as an affront to those who genuinely produce results (usually not guaranteed as you can't guarantee something you do not directly control) through an understanding of what the various search engines require.

I made mention of the charlatans at both ends. In the middle are those who are honest about the work and results as regards search engines placement

Guaranteeing results is illegal and unethical, regardless of the results achieved. Since the placement is out of our control, to guarantee it is fraudulent.

A case in point is a commercial diving school I know. For years they used to advertise that they would guarantee employment for any graduate. They extended this guarantee on the basis of never having failed in placing graduates. Siome years back, the government took them to task on their guarantee and they altered their ads to read "the government says we can't guarantee you a job, but the fact is that in x years we've been in business, we have never failed to place a graduate in a job" (or something very close to that).

I maintain the same principle applies as regards search engine placement. We cannot legally or ethically guarantee results. We can only produce them.

Duster:

Okay, understood.

You are obviously a bright guy and it is true that no one can GUARANTEE (my emphasis) something that is outside their direct control. However, if you are being paid to achieve something and you fail, then I feel it is both ethical and fair to offer some kind of recompense.

As is the case for other companies in this field, I guarantee that I will achieve certain results specified in the contract or I refund all the monthly fees. I guess strictly speaking I am not guaranteeing results, but offering a guarantee against failure to achieve results. This is within my control. If you can think of better (in terms of marketing) way of expressing this than 'guaranteed results', then I would be happy to use it.

A little off-topic, but the point remains. Top ten and twenty rankings through genuine search engine optimization is not a fraud, but a realistic goal.

Mark

Originally posted by Duster
Guaranteeing results is illegal and unethical, regardless of the results achieved. Since the placement is out of our control, to guarantee it is fraudulent.
markymark stole my comment, but I'll say it anyway!

There are 2 types of a Guarantee that I see.[list=1]
You give us money and we'll do this
You give us money and we'll do this or you get you're money back
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The first type is what I think you are referring to while the second one is what (let me hazard a guess...) markymark and other reputable placement co.s do.

Aw, gee, Dogma...thanks for back up. And you can call me Mark.

Seriously, getting top rankings in SEs is hard work and a lot of boring slog. WebPosition Gold and AddWeb will not do it for you - you need to work it out for yourself. Sure, you might get a top ten by luck through these programs, but when your rank falls to 123, will you know how to put it right ?

A lot of people are put off this approach to marketing by sites offering simple submission services who advertise like they are offering optimization. When the results don't come, the webmaster feels cheated and decries search engine ranking companies even though he/she has never used one. Secondly, even when using the right approach, webmasters are put off because they didn't get a top ten in Google for 'web host'.

I am currently working with a web host on a partnership basis and am aiming for a top ten for this very term. My expectation is 12 - 18 months. In the meantime, I am aiming for top tens for affordable hosting, cheap domain names, frontpage hosting and similar terms. These I expect to have in 3-6 months -maybe sooner.

It is hard work, but if you want to use this approach, you can do it.

It was not meant as an affront to those who genuinely produce results (usually not guaranteed as you can't guarantee something you do not directly control) through an understanding of what the various search engines require. If, as others said, you're using the word "guarantee" to mean an absolute promise that you'll get results of course that is not under your control -- just as is the case with a webhost who guarantees 99.5% uptime. It's a money-back guarantee, we'll do it or you don't pay for the service. There's nothing unethical or dishonest about it; on the contrary every ethical and professional search engine optimization firm I know of offers such a guarantee.

Since you say that those who "genuinely produce results" usually do not, which firms are you talking about?

The key to being able to confidently make such a offer is easy once you have an understanding of the search engine industry: don't take on projects -- or don't offer a guarantee -- for which you cannot produce results. Speaking for my company, we work generally within one industry sector, and we won't take on a client if we're working with a competitor in the same segment... we clearly can't guarantee top results to two companies seeking ranking in the same category.

There are campaigns in which a guarantee is not offered. What's important then is that the client understands it and understands why. It's important to recognize that the relationship is different than it is between, say, a webhost and their client -- where the extent of the interaction is typically a form and an encouragement to read the Terms of Service. The same is true for the low-budget submission services, but a full-service seo firm engages in full consultation with the client. By the time a campaign begins everyone has a clear understanding of the expectations, what will be delivered, and what is guaranteed.

Granted that Dogma's number 2 guarantee is far different than the number 1 and is not what I was referring to.

I do it a bit differently. I don't guarantee results. I show client sor prospective clients results other of my clients have had by having them enter keywords at various serach engines so they can see results first hand (or do it myself if I'm face to face with a prospective client).

I'll concede that a money back guarantee is the next best thing.

I did not mean to include those who perform a legitimate service (which includes me) as regards search engine placement. I was referring to those who take advantage of the perceived importance of search engines to bilk people out of money that ends up wasted. Let's face it, of all the spammed messages out there, this one is probably one that gets the most responses because of the subject matter (not that spam is the only way this fraud is perpetuated).

Originally posted by Duster
I do it a bit differently. I don't guarantee results. I show client sor prospective clients results other of my clients have had by having them enter keywords at various serach engines so they can see results first hand (or do it myself if I'm face to face with a prospective client).

I'll concede that a money back guarantee is the next best thing.I don't see why it's the next best thing at all. From the client's perspective it's an infinitely better thing.

Showing clients results you've gotten in the past is certainly part of process, and I'm certain that Mark does it as well. So what? The client is still going into the relationship with you without knowing what their results will be, and so is risking that they'll pay you and not get results that they'd find satisfactory. Why would telling the client after that "if we don't get these specific results, an expectation we've come up with through careful consideration of your site, your competitive environment, and the search engines you're targeting, you get your money back" be the "next best thing?"

Duster,
You'll get more clients if you use the word guarantee, SO WHAT if its not 100%... if you use the proper techniques your 99.9999% on getting excellent results or positioning with the search engines, thats as good as a guarantee, you seem to be a pretty ethical guy, if you were to use the word guarantee on your webpages....etc then it probably wouldnt be a problem, but its only the lamers who dont know or care to actually acheive results that use the word when they should not.