Dear Fellow Hosts,

To stop fraud, especially from going around as usually the same person will try various places, we should start an Fraud Database, sponsored by all hosts, we add ip's of the user, email address, home addresses and anything else he uses. I have had so many fraud attempts, its not funny! This would be useful to all host's to stop fraud.

Regards,
ValuableHost

something like that would be useful.. just another check we could use to catch people.

I guess there are no laws preventing the profiling of fraudulent customers, right?

I seem to think there may be something against blacklisting "bad" customers, and then discriminating against them solely because they're on that list. But maybe for blatant fraud it wouldn't be so bad.

Probably the best thing is to just come up with your own heuristics for determining if an account looks good or not, and maybe requiring a phone call and fax from any accounts that are at all suspicious.

josh!

They have a similar forum for such things at
hostcoalition.org
and there is a new site
http://www.chargingback.com
that may have some useful info.

Thanks for the url martie!
Originally posted by Martie
They have a similar forum for such things at
hostcoalition.org
and there is a new site
http://www.chargingback.com
that may have some useful info.

Why is there no WHOIS informaiton for chargingback.com?

[whois.bulkregister.com]
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Domain Name: CHARGINGBACK.COM

Administrative Contact:
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Phone- -
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Technical Contact:
Support Dept. support@dreamsweb.net
Dreamsweb
10 E. Baltimore St.
Baltimore, MD 21202
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Phone- 1-888-293-7326
Fax-

Record updated on 2001-05-26 16:55:41.
Record created on 2001-05-26.
Record expires on 2002-05-26.
Database last updated on 2001-06-19 09:56:25 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.LH2000.NET 208.56.139.107
NS2.LH2000.NET 208.56.138.92

Originally posted by Hostexp
Dear Fellow Hosts,

To stop fraud, especially from going around as usually the same person will try various places, we should start an Fraud Database, sponsored by all hosts, we add ip's of the user, email address, home addresses and anything else he uses. I have had so many fraud attempts, its not funny! This would be useful to all host's to stop fraud.

Regards,
ValuableHost


I am not a host but a customer and I think that you have a good idea with this. However, you may want to actually check into local and state laws about if you are allowed to post home addresses of these people. I know that it took a long time before many U.S. States would even post sex offenders information due to laws against giving out that information. Otherwise, since I don't do any fraudulent activities, I am all for this.

Originally posted by jbucklew
[whois.bulkregister.com]
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Domain Name: CHARGINGBACK.COM

Administrative Contact:
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Phone- -
Fax-

Exactly. Why is there no admin information listed? I don't care that it's hosted at Alabanza, but I do want to know who set it up, why they did it, and why they won't list their name on it.

As I stated before, I would personally be very reluctant to post any customer information, no matter what they did. The risk is too high, IMHO.

Yes i know, this was an topic for all suggestions to be heard and discussed but has anyone noticed that most of the fraudulent accounts are from the USSR?
Originally posted by Planet Z
As I stated before, I would personally be very reluctant to post any customer information, no matter what they did. The risk is too high, IMHO.

Originally posted by Hostexp
Yes i know, this was an topic for all suggestions to be heard and discussed but has anyone noticed that most of the fraudulent accounts are from the USSR?


This past weekend, we were swamped with fradulent orders from Asia. Revecom flagged all of them, so it's not that big of a deal, but it's a thing to keep an eye on.

It wouldn't make a difference for most of the overseas fraud anyway. Almost all these signups use fake names, addresses, credit cards, and proxies.

We especially get a lot from Malaysia. By default, they're sent an email requesting additional information. If we don't receive a reply (usually we don't), we don't go ahead and setup the account.

Originally posted by Annette


Exactly. Why is there no admin information listed? I don't care that it's hosted at Alabanza, but I do want to know who set it up, why they did it, and why they won't list their name on it.

Annette,
I and a few others at Dreamsweb set the site up.
I think it's obvious why we set it up.
Why should we have listed a name in the Registry? What difference does it make?

We think that making the forum private does not mean that we are making personal information public. We must have an administrative company email address from everyone that attempts to register. We have turned at least twice as many registrants down as have approved.

This has been discussed before, heres the details for more reading :)

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=3054&highlight=Hostabuse


One such application already in place is Hostabuse.com (http://www.hostabuse.com)

Originally posted by daydreamer


Annette,
I and a few others at Dreamsweb set the site up.
I think it's obvious why we set it up.
Why should we have listed a name in the Registry? What difference does it make?



It matters because totally blank information makes it seem that you have something to hide. That bothers me, at least. Good luck to you, though.

Suggestion (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=14270) , perhaps off target.

I have learned much about cc fraud, much off the internet so much of it is subjective/conflicting.

Iknow much/all of the hosts here have the right intention at heart.

Perhaps a new extension to the forums detailing fraud on both host/customer side would be interesting? If people had a common ground trust would take care of commerce?

Perhaps a subject detailing fraud attempts on both sides and the geographic likelihood of such things?

Granted, the situation exists that few want to touch this subject because it is perceived to be bad business for all concerned, but there is a blatant need for education, else we should all pack up and go home (home business not neccaceraliy included :) )

Feel free to flame me if I'm being stupid.

Annette,

I now see what you were talking about. I thought that it was because we did not use proper names. I do not know were the dashes came from, but we will take care of that immediately.

Thanks...

Im was going to start a hosting site but now that im hearing about fraud... :( I don't feel like dealing with that. Don' t they know most of the time their IP's are logged? That would be enough to scare me off you know what im saying?

I'm using authorizenet for credit card processing and they do offer fraud screening service.

Is anyone using this service?

As for as I know, they keep tabs on those with numerous chargebacks and inform the merchant. The merchant then has the final says in deciding to accept or denied the payment. I think this is what you need.

All the legal questions should rest upon authorizenet then.

lol iwas going to do cash, check, money orders only! But that would really suck for someone that only feels like using a credit card. Is it possible to process Credit Cards without using one of those big companys? :confused:

I guess the answer to that question is with another question.

How important is reliable service to you and your company.

With CC processor, you DO get what you pay for!

Chargingback.com has vanished.

There's now an "under construction" page for the domain jimechristie.com.

Aloha
I would be careful if ya start a site on how ya word it though
or you could find yourself in a hotseat with a host and his lawyers
these big companies could sink some of the smaller ones if ya start putting up sites that are accusing them unless ya word it in a way that people can write in there thoughts feelings etc... like a forum

and have releases yourself etc...

just my thoughts
I am starting up something like this for Maui so people can share good things bad things so have been looking into it.

Hmm... just a thought but there are always going to be host getting named on these boards because of problems customers have had or percieved themselves to be having...

To be honest IMHO the smartest thing might be to try and keep an open forum on what to look out for... or a sort of Newbies FAQ on fraud.

Anything else and you're running the risk of someone abusing the system as an act of vengance or just getting it right only to find the accusee has a BIG law firm in tow...

Just a thought.

what do you mean big companies?

Originally posted by multipleimage
what do you mean big companies?

Any host that has a lot of money that they throw around
Hostpro
interland (hostpro)
many others you see with big ads etc..
they will fight with lawyers
they have people out there looking for this kind of stuff
if doen in a forum matter you should not have a prob
if you claim a service that has a fraud DB ya might have a prob
small hosts can come after ya just as hard though
just keep it a forum and ya should be ok