A new kind of communism is being conceptualised and higtech gadgets and technology is being considered to implement it.

As soon as a new baby is born a tiny microchip is embedded in his/her body. It will contain all personal information like date and place of birth, geneology, fingerprints, iriscans, dna pattern, blood group etc.

The chip will also contain a money account for the person. A specific amount will be inserted into the chip for covering the child's daily living expenses for his entire life [food, shelter, clothing, medicines, schooling] + Expenses for his/her adult life [marriage, raising a family etc]

After the person has finished his education his skills and abilities will be assesed and he will be assigned a suitable job. He will have to work at any level of work as per the assesment of the authorities [ as a janitor or a professor or a cook or a banker and so on]

He will not be paid any money for his work since he has been already given a certain amount in the embedded chip which he can spend at his discretion and needs.

At the age of sixty he has to retire compulsorily or at any age he becomes completely mentally or physically disabled and cannot work at all.

After his retirement his performance of work will be assesed and the authorities will decide if he deserves retired life benefits. The benefits range from a community old age home to a posh villa in the sea side. And if he doesnt quailify for the benefits he will be culled in a painless manner and will be given a funeral at government expense.

Well, what do you think of this ? Dont tell me I am high on acid and this is all nonsense. Looking at a different perspective it is already happening. One can easily pattern out an average person's active and retired life based on his IQ, wealth, earning capacity etc. Maybe he will not be culled like an animal......he will prefer to take his own life out if his family deserts him or he will end up in some community home. And if his family doesnt claim his body he is given a funeral at the expense of the state. And I forgot to mention...he is bound to pay tax to the government in one form or the other all his life.

Incredibly stupid.

Originally posted by Lamont
Incredibly stupid.

I know that already......so is communism

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:eek:

Originally posted by RajanUrs
he is bound to pay tax to the government in one form or the other all his life.

so, he is allocated a certain amount of money by the government, and yet he pays tax. :eek:

rethink that communism idea of yours, and perhaps others will give you a bit more respect than the current feedback you are receiving.

no,......i mean normally all persons are bound to pay tax.

Originally posted by RajanUrs
I know that already......so is communism

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Communism is way to optimistic and considers people to be much better then they are, but why would you say it is stupid?

Originally posted by sasha
Communism is way to optimistic and considers people to be much better then they are, but why would you say it is stupid?

maybe not 'much better then they are'', but perhaps it forcefully attempts to balance out the social unequality.

Democracy is the only form of government which is a representation of the people....by the people......for the people.

Communism is not and therefore I think it is stupid to believe that it can be for the good of the people.

Economy plays a crucial role in any country and hence even democracy is not effective unless there is 'free enterprise'. I can see the damage done to my country, India because there was no free enterprise though it was democratic. You can say it was partially democratic...partially dictatorial.......and partially socialistic because of historical reasons.

Because of the power of the economy communism doesnt allow economic freedom either.

Lets face it.......there is no such thing as equal status and power in natural life and in people. However what cannot be deprived from anyone is the freedom and opportunity to strive for any level of power, economy or self esteem. And this freedom and opportunity is derived from absoluteness as long as you dont violate the freedom and rights of another. So unless someone violates why should his/hers freedom, opportunty and other rights be curbed ?

Has anyone ever read the story 'The Giver' ? This is what it sounds like - a Utopian society.

Regardless Communsim and Socialism is a flawed and FAILED idea. Ask the Soviet Union.

Originally posted by RajanUrs
Well, what do you think of this ? Dont tell me I am high on acid and this is all nonsense. Looking at a different perspective it is already happening. From what perspective? I don't see any signs of any of those things happening, from the microchip being implanted in babies to the "assesment" of what retirement benefits to give.
One can easily pattern out an average person's active and retired life based on his IQ, wealth, earning capacity etc. Perhaps. So what about that is properly called "NeoCommunism?"

actually what was said above is truth:

"Communism is way to optimistic and considers people to be much better then they are, but why would you say it is stupid?"

communism, indeed, 'considers' people to be much better. and communism is not stupid at all. it is as progressive form of government as the capitalism if not better. now, before people start hitting reply and saying rude things :) I will explain my reasons for saying above. There is a huge difference between scientific (theoretical) communism and what is happening in reality. The theoretical communism assumes absolute equality of human rights and absolute democracy.

"Democracy is the road to socialism." Karl Marx

Unfortunately communism assumes that all people within the society work and cooperate firstly towards the benefit of society even those who are on top. Also unfortunately those who are 'on top', the rulers, always corrupt or get corrupted by receiving almost absolute power and act for their own benefits in most of the cases. Thus communism cannot work in modern society - we are too 'bad' for communism that's what previous poster mean (I think).

on other hand what you described is more looks like a drastic form of capitalism ("NeoCapitalism"?). born child gets 'a loan' which he or she has to work for all his or her life. This is would fall very closely to extreme capitalistic system described by Marx - the society will split into two classes those who grant loans and those who receive loans (the rich and the workers). In this case at the end there will be two classes - bankers/government and consumers/workers...... I think this is a dead end idea... society like this will not progress...

again these are just theories....

Neo Communism vs Neo Capitalism ?

......in one it is dependent on the state.....in the other it is dependent on the economy.....but both have to depend on their resources. The performance of the human resources vary drastically depending on how they are managed and manipulated. This was experimented by Communists to a degree never done before.

"The best government is the government that governs the least."

-Henry David Thoreau.

Originally posted by VeroHost
"The best government is the government that governs the least."

-Henry David Thoreau.

:) that's not how America get over the Great depression.

Originally posted by RajanUrs

Well, what do you think of this ? Dont tell me I am high on acid and this is all nonsense. Looking at a different perspective it is already happening. One can easily pattern out an average person's active and retired life based on his IQ, wealth, earning capacity etc. Maybe he will not be culled like an animal......he will prefer to take his own life out if his family deserts him or he will end up in some community home. And if his family doesnt claim his body he is given a funeral at the expense of the state. And I forgot to mention...he is bound to pay tax to the government in one form or the other all his life.

This is not going to happen, let the red scare be gong and the cold-war be the past.
And no offense, you sound like you don't have any knowledge of communism at all, the failure of communism (my opinion ) is it omitted some critical nature of human, but it can never be called cruel and evil.

any suppression on human freedom and rights is cruel and evil.....ofcourse theoritically Communism is ideal.....but then anything can be ideal theoritically. What were the two most succesful in Communism ? Agriculture and Military....one because of forced work inputs.....the other because of absolute control. Both have been achieved in non-Communist countries with little govt. interference.

Nobody ever said Democracy is ideal either.....but it is the most prefered all over the world as a choice. Nobody ever pointed a gun at your head and said you have to vote. Or massacred you just because you wanted to vote.......like in Tiannamen Square.

Communism is utopic, it look nice on the papers but can't work with people.

Regardles democracy... hmmm.. I'm not sure if many people live really in a democracy, where you are subjugated to live under the rules of a goverment elected usually for less than the 50% of the people with age to vote.
A democracy is a form of goverment were the people rule, directly or through their representat, unfortunatelly I don't know many countries where their politicians represent to the people instead of that, they usually represent economical interest, not always good to the people/country.

Originally posted by RajanUrs
Nobody ever pointed a gun at your head and said you have to vote. Or massacred you just because you wanted to vote. Really? So no one has been killed, threatened with death, or otherwise prevented from voting, through violence or the threat of it, throughout the history of "democracy?"

"Nobody ever pointed a gun at your head and said you have to vote"? Actually, there are and have been so-called "democracies" in which voting is compulsory.

Democracy as a structure of government is no more immune from being abused by those who are entrenched in power than is any other governmental model.

Originally posted by VeroHost
"The best government is the government that governs the least."

-Henry David Thoreau.

Thats a great qoute and people choose less Government every time when given the chance:)

The idea wouldn't happen in any of our lifetimes. At least in the US (and I'd assume every democracy) it would require obliterating the constitution. First of all there are a LOT of systems of government that look great from the outset, but aren't realistic for humans.
Now the idea that was originally posted is interesting because it reminds me a LOT of 1984 by George Orwell. Incredible book that really puts government into perspective. Another incredible book, for the open-minded individuals is Ishmael by Daniel Quinn. Very interesting read, and for the close-minded... well... still read Ishmael, it has a gorilla in it that may be of interest :).

Originally posted by comphosting

Now the idea that was originally posted is interesting because it reminds me a LOT of 1984 by George Orwell.

Great book!

Also, another great book of Orwell is "Animal farm" (I don't know if the correct translation) where it talk about the impossibility of the communism.

I'm a big fan of Orwell :)