http://www.LinkSky.com

It's a big day here at LinkSky as we have just made the decision to offer unlimited bandwidth.

This decision was not made lightly and was held off until we could put safeguards in place that would protect our servers and thus all our hosted accounts from server slowdowns due to situations like runaway CGIs, and those few who would abuse our service.

Such checks and safeguards are now in place so we can happily offer you worry free web site hosting, where the price is based solely on the size of your web account.

It is our opinion that there have been far too many stories of hosts taking advantage of their customers by claiming absurdly high bandwidth transfers. The latest story to cross our desks of this kind is from a person running a simple on-line forum, who was charged for 13GB of bandwidth at the rate of $20 per GB over their 4GB limit! ALL FOR A TEXT BASED BBS!?!?!


Here is the mathematics of why this claim is so absurd:

Text based files are probably the smallest thing transferred on the Internet. A single character, a letter on a page is worth 1 byte. A page with 5,000 letters (a pretty hefty page of text) is therefore approximately 5k or 5 kilobytes (actually 1 k is 1028 bytes). 1000k = 1 Megabyte (That's one million bytes of information.) 1000 Megabytes = 1 Gigabyte (GB).

So how many 5k pages would need to be transferred to reach 13 GB (Gigabytes) per month?

Answer - 260 million pages per month! (2,600,000).

Knowing that forum messages are typically about one tenth the the size of the 5k page this calculation is based on. So with 13GB of monthly transfer we could very well have a range exceeding billions of pages of forum posts per month! NOW THAT'S ONE HOT ON-LINE FORUM!!!

The person who described this story said, "Well, you know us ladies, talk, talk, talk." My response was that absolutely no one group of people could take that much in a month, if even in a lifetime. I also said that the host making this claim should be seriously taken to task over this one.

We developed LinkSky Hosting out of advocacy for the hosting customer. We continue to make this service as fair and as customer friendly as possible. Indeed, we are putting great efforts into making LinkSky a true haven for the hosting consumer.

Please tell your friends about us.

Management,
LinkSky Value Hosting

Guys/Gals, Please keep your replies constructive :)

Who do you use?

1 206.117.161.1 (206.117.161.1) 31.304 ms 203.817 ms
2 isi-acg.ln.net (130.152.136.1) 2.411 ms 2.329 ms
3 s4-1-1.lsanca1-cr3.bbnplanet.net (4.24.40.13) 3.221 ms 3.106 ms
4 p2-0.lsanca1-ba1.bbnplanet.net (4.24.4.17) 2.965 ms 3.182 ms
5 p5-0.lsanca2-br1.bbnplanet.net (4.24.4.2) 2.985 ms 3.384 ms
6 p15-0.snjpca1-br1.bbnplanet.net (4.24.5.58) 10.773 ms 10.768 ms
7 p1-0.sjccolo-dbe1.bbnplanet.net (4.24.6.253) 10.464 ms 10.397 ms
8 p6-0.sanjose1-nbr1.bbnplanet.net (4.0.1.129) 10.764 ms 10.374 ms
9 4.24.145.62 (4.24.145.62) 11.542 ms 13.240 ms
10 jr-02-so-0-0-1-155m.chrl.twtelecom.net (207.67.84.9) 72.959 ms 73.238 ms
11 jr-01-ge-0-1-0-1000m.chrl.twtelecom.net (207.67.84.1) 73.200 ms 73.890 ms
12 jr-01-so-0-0-0-155m.dlfw.twtelecom.net (207.67.84.54) 67.749 ms 68.592 ms
13 pa1-atm0-10-bbr01.hsto.twtelecom.net (207.67.50.42) 73.274 ms 73.783 ms
14 ip130.106.67.207.in-addr.arpa (207.67.106.130) 69.156 ms 68.973 ms
15 twhou-ni-2.ev1.net (207.218.245.8) 71.5 ms 70.460 ms
16 216.40.215.8 (216.40.215.8) 72.11 ms 69.621 ms

Ok give me an account and lets prove that this is unlimited BW. Garanteed that it isn't.

<<MOD NOTE:>>
We're not going to save a host from members who do not believe that the host can offer what they say they offer. It will be up to the host to justify their plans and features.
<</MOD NOTE>>

OooooooOOOooOOOooooh boy.... Maybe I should pause for a second before I type.... naw, that's not my style.

JoeM, what happened? Your post in the other forum was sound. You didn't correct the page views per month though (you might want to), as it should be more like 1.3 to 1.8 million a month to result in 13 GIG's, not 260 million.

Anyway, you seem like a person that cares about making sure client's don't get the bad side of things, so I'd suggest you don't try and offer this unlimited bandwidth deal. People are going to literally slam you for it and for good reason. You say that you charge on the size of their web size. Bad idea... Put up a 500 KB file of Jennifer Lopez nude and promote the page and that 500KB site with one image will result in probably 300 GIG's a day transfer at tyhe minimum. There's better ways to gauge how much a site is charged, than by the size of it. Drives are about the cheapest thing you can buy, bandwidth is the most expensive aspect of web hosting. This should be the other way around.

I can understand your desire to be an advocate for ensuring people don't get charged too much -- but this will completely defeat your purpose, unless you don't want to stay in business very long! You have to set bandwidth limits and you have to charge for overage -- at some point, you must! If you have a lot of give away and want to be the guy that pays so other people can run their sites, that's kind of you, but unless you have more money than most people in this world, that's a short lived plan. Simply be reasonable, be kind if you want, but keep it in perspective. Perhaps you should rephrase what you said? Maybe say "We will allow you large allowances of bandwidth" (explain how you can -- do you get it very cheap?) and then say; "However, it's not our business to make money from overage fee's and we don't like this idea -- we will kill ourselves to help you and we won't charge for overage".

Then say "We ask that people be fair and respect this -- no warez, mp3's, movie files, adult sites or illegal material is allowed to qualify for this plan". After that, say "What we mean by this offer, is that if you go over your allowance, we won't charge you, as long as we have it to spare -- if we don't, then you simply won't be able to go over, because we won't have enough ourselves from our backbone to be able to". That said, if you do, just make sure that you still have enough to allow every single client (as this is your promise, it seems) to be able to at least use their full allowance -- so you'll have to buy more bandwidth and make less (if any) of a profit (if you don't pay out of your own pocket) to keep it going to allow people's site's to continue to run after they've gone over the amount you can allow them.

Unlimited can't work. Perhaps something like I suggested above would be more appropriate. I.e., "We don't set limits, we will never charge you for bandwidth -- just hope we have enough left". That is the best you can hope for and given that people know they have no limit, you can expect to quickly run out of bandwidth to offer anyone. Limits are set to protect users and ensure they get what they pay for and can use their full allowance. You are defeating that intent by not setting any limits. You can still set limits and charge (and should) and even charge for overage, but no one's forcing you or anyone else to charge "too much" for any of that. You have to plan it and be realistic. You can make some of the above work to a point, but not without some type of limit or a very, very large bankroll. Good luck...

Originally posted by teck
Guys/Gals, Please keep your replies constructive :)

I tried to be in my last post. However, I have a question. Since we all know (well, apparently not all of us) about the whole "unlimited bandwidth" issue(s), and since these advertising forums are moderated, why do you guy's let these go through and be posted? I'd think this sort of thing would be filtered? I realize the advertising forum might not be the best place to bring this up, but this post in particular is what I thought was part of the reason for moderation? Just curious is all, I don't think it's a big issue.

<<MOD NOTE:>>
If it is on their site as a package/feature/etc. they are offering, it can be posted. It will be up to the host to justify their plans and features.
<</MOD NOTE>>

All that you just said flew right over my head....

Did you just say the words unlimited bandwith?

This is your decision and I'm just going to respect that... :D


Originally posted by JoeM
http://www.LinkSky.com
My response was that absolutely no one group of people could take that much in a month, if even in a lifetime.

Actually using that much bandwdith is possible for SOME groups. Take WHT for example, I'm sure they're close if not already beyond 13GB each month.

<<MOD NOTE:>>
Last I knew we came in just over 20 gigs, though that was before something was installed to reduce the transfer amount. We'll see what it is next month.
<</MOD NOTE>>

( i made this post to usenet about a year ago it's not targeted at or intended to be an attack on the host that started this thread. instead it's my commentary about unlimited bandwidth. i think it might be interesting )


If a host offers unlimited bandwidth to legitimate activities, they've got a problem. While 99% of sites hosted under an 'unlimited bandwith' plan wouldn't even come close to the kind of traffic levels worth worrying about, the 1% that do cause a serious problem.

We're hosting more that one site that consumes the equivalent (or close to the equivalent) of a full T1. When I say consume, I mean fully saturate. Yet these sites still fit into our virtual hosting 'plans' (as far as disk space goes). Can any host justify having a cost price of over 900$/mo (in bandwidth costs alone) while only charging $19.95/mo? I think not.

If a host that offers unlimited bandwidth signs up such a client, what recourse does it have as a company? I see three possible scenarios..

1.
They do nothing and continue to offer them 'unlimited] bandwidth', since they lose money on the account they are forced to raise prices on their existing accounts to cover it.

Gradually, other high traffic sites come onboard realising the great deal that they can get. This continues.. forcing the company to either change their policies to something more responsible or to go out of business

2.
They clamp down and tell their client that they can't use that much bandwidth.

This raises the obvious question of why they offered 'unlimited bandwidth' in the first place.

I've seen hosts have qualifying statements such as 'within reason' or 'up to 10GB'. These qualifying statements turn their original claim of 'unlimited bandwith' into a lie. Who defines what is 'reasonable'? How can they advertise it as unlimited when they qualify it with 'up to 10GB' It's ridiculous.

3.
They just don't care. They let their connection get oversaturated and the 1% slows down the 99% significantly.

All three of these situations are unacceptable.

In short, I still mantain that any host that advertises 'unlimited bandwidth', is irresponsible, technically incompetent, ignorant, out to do nothing but make a quick buck, or some sort of combination of the four. <shameless plug>We carefully considered offering unlimited bandwidth to our clients, but for the reasons outlined here, chose to go with a generous transfer quota instead.</shameless plug>.

Warm Regards,
Raj Dutt
Voxel Dot Net, Inc

heh, we should all chipin and prove that there is no such thing as unlimited bandwith.

How about making a account and i can then upload about 1gig of music from my friends band and get the lots of people to download it at the same time, i think your server would die and your server provider would ban you from using his servers again, not to mention the bill you would have to pay for the 500gig :D

So do you still think you offer unlimited bandwith or is it unlimited bandwith but 'limited' in some way?

It's a lie !. You know it, we know it, and more and more people are learning it. You spend so much effort trying to convince people that a sack of manure is really air freshener and fail to realize that we can tell the difference no matter what you say. You might say we can smell the difference.

Unlimited bandwidth is a lie and there is nothing anyone can do to make it true or believable. That doesn't stop many from trying. Frankly, they have as much credibility as spammers when they say "This isn't spam. You asked for it".

Originally posted by Sesran
Ok give me an account and lets prove that this is unlimited BW. Garanteed that it isn't.

<<MOD NOTE:>>
We're not going to save a host from members who do not believe that the host can't offer what they say they offer. It will be up to the host to justify their plans and features.
<</MOD NOTE>>


Sure and WELCOME ABOARD!!!

All you have to do is proceed to our site and click the signup link under that tab at the top of the page:
http://www.LinkSky.com

You agree to our AUP and TOS and I have absolutely no problem with how you use your LinkSky account.

We stand behind everything we offer. Do you?

Well I guess this will be answered when you do, or do not sign up.
So far, I have not received your order.

Still waiting.

Still waiting.

Still waiting.

...

Originally posted by Tim_Greer
OooooooOOOooOOOooooh boy.... Maybe I should pause for a second before I type.... naw, that's not my style.

JoeM, what happened? Your post in the other forum was sound. You didn't correct the page views per month though (you might want to), as it should be more like 1.3 to 1.8 million a month to result in 13 GIG's, not 260 million.

Anyway, you seem like a person that cares about making sure client's don't get the bad side of things, so I'd suggest you don't try and offer this unlimited bandwidth deal. People are going to literally slam you for it and for good reason. You say that you charge on the size of their web size. Bad idea... Put up a 500 KB file of Jennifer Lopez nude...

I can understand your desire to be an advocate for ensuring people don't get charged too much -- but this will completely defeat your purpose, unless you don't want to stay in business very long!...

Then say "We ask that people be fair and respect this -- no warez, mp3's, movie files, adult sites or illegal material is allowed to qualify for this plan"....

Unlimited can't work....


You are right about my math. My Radio Shack calculator did not have enough digits. Oh well. Does not change my point however.

As to the rest. You obviously have not read our AUP and TOS.

And yeah, I remember when I used to run out press film at the Lino service, and used to get charged a per minute rate for processing time. Then I remember one day, when suddenly no one was charging processing time any more. And why? Because technology evolved to a point where it no longer made any sence. And also because customer service evolved to a point where doleing out unpredictable charges became a no, no.
I can't imagin why, can you?:eek:

Originally posted by Duster
It's a lie !. You know it, we know it, and more and more people are learning it. You spend so much effort trying to convince people that a sack of manure is really air freshener and fail to realize that we can tell the difference no matter what you say. You might say we can smell the difference.

Unlimited bandwidth is a lie and there is nothing anyone can do to make it true or believable. That doesn't stop many from trying. Frankly, they have as much credibility as spammers when they say "This isn't spam. You asked for it".


Well, I love you too, Mr. "critical thinker".

In all that critical thinking sloshing around upstairs, did you ever stop to consider for on minute that is IS possible to offer something that is a little out of the norm, maybe even new and different. For the sake that it possabily might be worth dealing with the abusive 1%, in order to put the other 99% at ease when it comes to unpredictable charges and abuse that could come the other way, i.e. from the host?

For 15 years we have always stood behind what we offer with our graphics firm and now with our hosting business. For you to lash out and call me a liar and a spammer for a business practice that is perfectly legit, but one that you don't happen to agree with, is only revealing as to your own character and your pathetic narrow mindedness.

<<EDIT>>

<<MOD NOTE:>>
He didn't call you a spammer, he compared what a spammer says to what you say, please reread post. Please keep to the facts and do not make this personal. It was quoted later on, so I'm leaving it but I don't want to see any more of this.
<</MOD NOTE>>

LOOOOOOL! Duster you make me die of laughter, (sack of manure is really air freshener) lol its so funny no offence, i believe in what your saying but the way you said it makes me laugh.
Originally posted by Duster
It's a lie !. You know it, we know it, and more and more people are learning it. You spend so much effort trying to convince people that a sack of manure is really air freshener and fail to realize that we can tell the difference no matter what you say. You might say we can smell the difference.

Unlimited bandwidth is a lie and there is nothing anyone can do to make it true or believable. That doesn't stop many from trying. Frankly, they have as much credibility as spammers when they say "This isn't spam. You asked for it". sack of manure is really air freshener

Here are a couple of problems with LinkSky's bulletin board example. Firsly, 5k wouldn't even cover the mark up tags in any vBulletin board web page such as the one we are reading now. Before I even add my post, the size of this page is approx 80K characters (I just counted them in my code editer BBEdit). It is not unusual, in my experience, to download pages at the vBulletin boards I frequent that exceed 100KB.

At 100KB transfer per page served, 13GB would afford you 136,000 page views per month, or 4,500 page views per day. I would make a off the top of my head guess (without thinking through any numbers) that this site would use somewhere between 8-15GB per month. How close am I for a guess?

On a more trivial point, 8 bits per char depends on the character set. In many languages the character set will require 16 bits per character.

Secondly, any bulletin board (regardless of whether its written in PHP or Perl or Object-Oriented Cobal ;)) is going to place demands on the CPU of the server once it starts to get a reasonably high level of traffic. No host can afford to have their server's CPU(s) hogged by one shared hosting account regardless of how much bandwidth they are willing to allow that account to use.

Originally posted by JoeM
Answer - 260 million pages per month! (2,600,000).

Isn't it 260,000,000 ? :D

Joe,
What you are describing is taking the share of the 99% and put it in the pocket of that abusive 1%.
If I am a person who doesn't use 100GB per month, I won't sign up for your service: I simply don't want to pay for that 1%.
If you truely want to protect them from transfer over charge, set a limit, say, 10GB, and when they go over, tell them,
"don't worry about it, we have extra bandwidth to spare this month"
There is a reason why all of us don't think "unlimited bandwidth" works. In fact, in your situation, your unlimited bandwidth will probably scare away potential clients who have heard of the tale of unlimited bandwidth and think that you are one of those unresponsible host.

Peter

Clips from LinkSky.com to prove there is no such thing as "UNLIMITED" :

:blush: We do not allow sites that are in the business is distributing large amounts of data for download.

:blush: abnormally large bandwidth usage will be judged on a case by case manner.

:blush: Excessive use or abuse of these shared network resources by one customer may have a negative impact on all other customers

:blush: Misuse of network resources in a manner which impairs network performance is prohibited

:blush: You are prohibited from excessive consumption of resources

:blush: LinkSky Hosting reserves the right to revise, amend, or modify this AUP, our TOS (Terms of Service) and our other policies and agreements at any time and in any manner.

:blush: Subscriber is aware that the Company may prospectively change the specified rates and charges from time to time.

:blush: Customer agrees that account cost will scale according to bandwidth and disk usage

:blush: Accounts will also be charged according to total accumulative bandwidth usage as is measured for the entire month on the last day of the month.

:blush: LinkSky Hosting reserves the right to amend its policies at any time

Again, "GIVE" me an account for free with your banner on it and let all of us prove you do not offer unlimited bandwidth.

I don't know why they have all these restrictions on bandwidth if they don't care about bandwidth usage.

Originally posted by Sesran
Clips from LinkSky.com to prove there is no such thing as "UNLIMITED" :

:blush: We do not allow sites that are in the business is distributing large amounts of data for download.

:blush: abnormally large bandwidth usage will be judged on a case by case manner.

:blush: Excessive use or abuse of these shared network resources by one customer may have a negative impact on all other customers

:blush: Misuse of network resources in a manner which impairs network performance is prohibited

:blush: You are prohibited from excessive consumption of resources

:blush: LinkSky Hosting reserves the right to revise, amend, or modify this AUP, our TOS (Terms of Service) and our other policies and agreements at any time and in any manner.

:blush: Subscriber is aware that the Company may prospectively change the specified rates and charges from time to time.

:blush: Customer agrees that account cost will scale according to bandwidth and disk usage

:blush: Accounts will also be charged according to total accumulative bandwidth usage as is measured for the entire month on the last day of the month.

:blush: LinkSky Hosting reserves the right to amend its policies at any time

Again, "GIVE" me an account for free with your banner on it and let all of us prove you do not offer unlimited bandwidth.

Joe, I've taken a look at your site, and must agree with the members on this one. Seems to be nothing 'that is a little out of the norm, maybe even new and different', other than what you list on the main pages which is different that what is stated in your TOS and on other parts of your site. This I find typical of hosts offering 'unlimited' anything.

From the opening page (location http://www.linksky.com ):
We do not charge for bandwidth

From various parts of http://www.linksky.com/indexR.html :
- No bandwidth limits or charges
- No unexpected surcharges or hidden costs, ever
- Unlimited transfer allowance
No additional charges for data transfer!

Well, after you get to signing up for a plan, you are presented with a chart titled:
Data Transfer Allowance
size (MB) (- NOTE package pricing based on the MB of the plan)
transfer (monthly)
0 - 60 6 GB
60 - 120 8 GB
120 - 200 12 GB
200 + 15 GB
$2 per mo., per additional GB

Originally posted by JoeM
In all that critical thinking sloshing around upstairs, did you ever stop to consider for on minute that is IS possible to offer something that is a little out of the norm, maybe even new and different.
Sure it is. However, unlimited bandwidth is not a deviation from the norm, it is a lie. Your own restrictive policies only confirm that fact.

For you to lash out and call me a liar and a spammer for a business practice that is perfectly legit, but one that you don't happen to agree with, is only revealing as to your own character and your pathetic narrow mindedness.
I didn't call you a spammer, I only compared your mentality to that of one. <<EDIT>> I did call you (as anyone who uses the term unlimited bandwidth) a liar, and you confirmed that you are one. See the terms quoted from your site that prove why your unlimited bandwidth is very limited.

<<EDIT>>

Perhaps you just need to get out more, and come to the profound realization that it is no longer the year 1997!
Perhaps you need to realize that there will always be people <<EDIT>> who can see through any deception and attempts to make the impossible seem plausible. Of course. like a spammer, you think all people are stupid and that they will believe your lies.

You can fool some people some of the time, and some of them all of the time, and you can't fool all of the people any of the time.

So long as bandwidth providers charge for bandwidth, unlimited bandwidth will remain a lie. It has nothing to do with the year.

<<EDIT>>

<<MOD NOTE: Please keep to the facts, and try not to get too personal>>

Originally posted by Chicken
Simply put, after reviewing the site, and the terms of service, I have found this offer to be misleading and NOT offered as stated in this post, nor on the main page of the site. This chart may have been an oversight (as there si another chart that is similar without the bandwidth fees), but there are numerous other statements made that contradict the claim of offering unlimited bandwidth, etc.

Other areas are questionable as well. They claim '- No setup charges*' but look at the '*' carefully, there is a $9 fee, though they call it an 'account administration fee' on one page and a 'signup fee' on another page. If you (the WHT member/visitor) think that this is something completely different than a setup fee, then I'm mistaken in mentioning it.

JoeM, cut out the stupid red tape and just bluntly tell everyone all the underlying costs. I do not believe in any web host that offers unlimited disk space or bandwidth. :cartman:

Originally posted by ckpeter
Joe,
What you are describing is taking the share of the 99% and put it in the pocket of that abusive 1%.
If I am a person who doesn't use 100GB per month, I won't sign up for your service: I simply don't want to pay for that 1%.
If you truely want to protect them from transfer over charge, set a limit, say, 10GB, and when they go over, tell them,
"don't worry about it, we have extra bandwidth to spare this month"
There is a reason why all of us don't think "unlimited bandwidth" works. In fact, in your situation, your unlimited bandwidth will probably scare away potential clients who have heard of the tale of unlimited bandwidth and think that you are one of those unresponsible host.

Peter


Perhaps. It really depends on which demographic you refer to. But in any case, I think if they are serious enough to check out our TOC and AUP, they would see that we are structured to protect everyone's interest at LinkSky.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JoeM
http://www.LinkSky.com

It's a big day here at LinkSky as we have just made the decision to offer unlimited bandwidth.

[b]<<MOD NOTE:>>
After reviewing the site and the terms of service, I have found this offer to be misleading and NOT offered (as stated in this post, nor on the main page of the site).
<</MOD NOTE>>

Dear Mod,

Take another look, we have been rapidly upgrading our home page lately and you may have been looking at an old page cached in your browser. I am in the process of checking the rest of the pages throughout our web site today to see if there are other corrections to be made that will bring our new offer in full alignment with our content.

Please send me some private email, or by all means post here in your forum, were you think there are contradictions and we will be happy to address any issues you may have.

Originally posted by JoeM
Perhaps. It really depends on which demographic you refer to. But in any case, I think if they are serious enough to check out our TOC and AUP, they would see that we are structured to protect everyone's interest at LinkSky.
I don't like you're "[A] new concept in hosting." Saw you have unlimited but have it structured and limited in the TOC and the AUP. Why don't you just say everything out infront. Say you can have an account with 100 mb and 5 gb transfer, and thats what you'll get. Your customer won't have to look in the TOC and AUP to see that you structured it to protect everyones interest.

If you are protecting their interests, you would boot that 1% that use tons of bandwidth, but then you'd be going against your unlimited bandwidth policy.

Saying you offer unlimited bandwidth is a gamble, not a sound business plan!!

We have updated our TOC and AUP. Perhaps you should clear your cache and take another look:


Originally posted by Sesran
Clips from LinkSky.com to prove there is no such thing as "UNLIMITED" :

:blush: We do not allow sites that are in the business is distributing large amounts of data for download.

LINKSKY - Not changed.


:blush: abnormally large bandwidth usage will be judged on a case by case manner.

LINKSKY - Not changed.


:blush: Excessive use or abuse of these shared network resources by one customer may have a negative impact on all other customers

LINKSKY - Not changed.


:blush: Misuse of network resources in a manner which impairs network performance is prohibited

LINKSKY - Not changed. (Why on earth would anyone disagree with this kind of an agreement regarding hosting accounts, limited or otherwise?)



:blush: You are prohibited from excessive consumption of resources

LINKSKY - Not changed.


:blush: LinkSky Hosting reserves the right to revise, amend, or modify this AUP, our TOS (Terms of Service) and our other policies and agreements at any time and in any manner.


:blush: Subscriber is aware that the Company may prospectively change the specified rates and charges from time to time.

LINKSKY - To this we have added, "A full 90 notice will be given prior to any rate change."


:blush: Customer agrees that account cost will scale according to bandwidth and disk usage

LINKSKY - The reference to bandwidth usage is gone.



:blush: Accounts will also be charged according to total accumulative bandwidth usage as is measured for the entire month on the last day of the month.

LINKSKY - The reference to bandwidth usage is gone.


:blush: LinkSky Hosting reserves the right to amend its policies at any time

LINKSKY - DON'T YOU?

Again, "GIVE" me an account for free with your banner on it and let all of us prove you do not offer unlimited bandwidth.

I am still waiting. All you have to do is sign up. Then we will begin the process of opening your LinkSky account.

Also, be careful here about quoting documents like this out of context. In doing so, you tend to miss the over emphasis which is summed up as follows (from our AUP)

This document is intended to provide a basic understand of LinkSky Hosting's Acceptable Use Policy. The following are guidelines for the establishment and enforcement of LinkSky Hosting's AUP:

- Ensure reliable service to our customers
- Ensure security and privacy of our systems and network, as well as the networks and systems of others
- Comply with existing laws
- Maintain our reputation as a responsible service provider
- Encourage responsible use of the Internet and discourage activities which reduce the usability and value of Internet services
Preserve the value of Internet resources as a conduit for free expression and exchange of information
- Preserve the privacy and security of individual users

Again, Asia. Clear your browser's cache and take another look. We have updated our AUP and TOC to reflect our new offering. And by all means, if you happen to spot something that is truely out of line with our offering, please either email me privately or post it here so we can correct it.


Originally posted by Asia
I don't know why they have all these restrictions on bandwidth if they don't care about bandwidth usage.

Clear your cache Chicken and look again. We are in the process of aligning all of our pages to our new offer. By all means, if you still see something truely out of line, please email me privately or post it here so we can get it cleared up.

Thanks.



Originally posted by Chicken
Joe, I've taken a look at your site, and must agree with the members on this one. Seems to be nothing 'that is a little out of the norm, maybe even new and different', other than what you list on the main pages which is different that what is stated in your TOS and on other parts of your site. This I find typical of hosts offering 'unlimited' anything.

From the opening page (location http://www.linksky.com ):
We do not charge for bandwidth

From various parts of http://www.linksky.com/indexR.html :
- No bandwidth limits or charges
- No unexpected surcharges or hidden costs, ever
- Unlimited transfer allowance
No additional charges for data transfer!

Well, after you get to signing up for a plan, you are presented with a chart titled:
Data Transfer Allowance
size (MB) (- NOTE package pricing based on the MB of the plan)
transfer (monthly)
0 - 60 6 GB
60 - 120 8 GB
120 - 200 12 GB
200 + 15 GB
$2 per mo., per additional GB

Simply put, after reviewing the site, and the terms of service, I have found this offer to be misleading and NOT offered as stated in this post, nor on the main page of the site. This chart may have been an oversight (as there si another chart that is similar without the bandwidth fees), but there are numerous other statements made that contradict the claim of offering unlimited bandwidth, etc.

Other areas are questionable as well. They claim '- No setup charges*' but look at the '*' carefully, there is a $9 fee, though they call it an 'account administration fee' on one page and a 'signup fee' on another page. If you (the WHT member/visitor) think that this is something completely different than a setup fee, then I'm mistaken in mentioning it.

I'm not going to point out all of the statements on the site that contradict eachother, that you will have to do yourself.

Originally posted by PBoy


JoeM, cut out the stupid red tape and just bluntly tell everyone all the underlying costs. I do not believe in any web host that offers unlimited disk space or bandwidth. :cartman:


Clear your cache PBoy and look again. We are in the process of aligning all of our pages to our new offer. By all means, if you still see something truely out of line, please email me privately or post it here so we can get it cleared up.

Thanks.

As you beckon others to do, please, please, please stick to the facts yourself.

It's your forum. But you should know that at this point or indeed very shortly, (as we respond to further feedback regarding this issue) your BIG RED NOTES are, or will very soon be obsolete and inaccurate to the degree of putting forth a false characterization of our firm.

You have posted that you read our AUP and TOS and a reference to a setup charge on our LinkSky site that demonstrated in so many words that we are being dishonest about our offer.

This is not the case.

I am truly taken back by the recent venom from this group surrounding this issue.

The mistake I DID INDEED MAKE was to get excited about our new offering that I posted to this forum roughly about 18 hours too soon, before we had time to upgrade the language of our AUP and TOC according to our new offer. (Again: this is done at this point, and we are still responding to feedback, from this group, which in a strange way has been very helpful.)

If you have been back after your first check of our pages, you probably also noticed an entirely new design taking shape at our site. The posting of our new offer is part of this web site upgrade and again, I believe at this point our AUP and TOC as well as the correction from defining the $9 administration fee, as a setup fee, is now in place and will remain so.

Please clear your cache and look again. By all means, if you still see something truly out of line, please email me privately or post it here so we can get it cleared up.

I can guaranteed you and the others who frequent this forum, we are sincere and honest in our Unlimited Bandwidth offer and we will NOT let our other accounts suffer from this, as has been the claim of others. Indeed we are in the process of establishing an addition server just to take care of the heavy hitters so to speak.

This plan in being very thoughtfully carried out. If others do not believe in our sincerity, fine. It is a perfectly legitimate aspect of hosting to offer and we are determined to stand behind it in every way.

If this forum is so intolerant that it can not handle someone who is truly and sincerely trying to push the boundaries a little. Then I feel sorry for the entire lot of you.

Again - I will leave it up to you to remove your big read JUDGMENTAL notes. It's your forum. But you should know that at this point or indeed very shortly, (as we respond to further feedback regarding this issue) your BIG RED NOTES are or will very soon be obsolete and inaccurate, to the degree of putting forth a false characterization of our firm.

Thanks very much.

Joe, will do. Note that the first time I've checked your site was at the time I posted the message above (4 or five posts above this one). I found numerous contradictions of the offer stated here, and on the main page, when going further into the site.

I'm not going to proofread your site for you, but will take a look after you've done that, and see if I see any changes.

I've noticed that parts of the site have been changed. Seems Joe announced this without changing the site. Do I think Joe has the capacity to offer unlimited transfer? If UUNET can't claim it, I don't see how he can, but we'll chalk it up to very poor wording.

If you find any statements on the site that contradict the offer of UNLIMTED bandwidth ( ::shudder:: ) please let me know and I'll repost the warning. Otherwise, I see no point in dragging something out that's been dragged out and beaten many times.

No, you did not catch a crook trying to pull the wool over all of your sharp eyes and piecering intellects.

You caught someone who got a little too excited about a new offer and posted it to the group roughly about 18 hours ahead of our page upgrades that are ment to fully reflect the language of this upgrade.

Please take another look. And by all means if anything still looks the least bit contractordictory, bring it to my attention either within this group or via privat email and we'll get it fixed if indeed there truly are conflicting terms. (i.e. not stuff like we don't allow sites that allow shareware, warez, porn, etc. downloads. If you truly think this is in conflict with our new offer then I can't help you.)

And by all means, once the corrections are in place, they will stay there. Please send a squad of volunteer host cops to check our LinkSky site any time. If we do repeal without the 90 days posted notice we promise (see our TOC and AUP). Then by all means tar and feather me and parade me through the streets of this forum.

Originally posted by Chicken
Joe, will do. Note that the first time I've checked your site was at the time I posted the message above (4 or five posts above this one). I found numerous contradictions of the offer stated here, and on the main page, when going further into the site.

I'm not going to proofread your site for you, but will take a look after you've done that, and see if I see any changes.

Did you see our new main page, which has now been divided up into three different pages? If so, you are welcome at any time to bring anything questionable to my attention.

Thanks for give us at least the benefit of the doubt in this matter. We have just finished making some major corrections during the past hour. It will probably take a while for them to soak through the web servers, etc. before they are available. I have some other things to take care of for a few hours, but I will be back later and both my partner and myself will be going over the site with a fine tooth comb all next week.

Again thanks.

Originally posted by JoeM
You are right about my math. My Radio Shack calculator did not have enough digits. Oh well. Does not change my point however.


Nor does it change my point.


As to the rest. You obviously have not read our AUP and TOS.


And why would I be required to do that to have posted what I did? It'd be one of two things, and that would mean that I should have read your AUP/TOS to see that you've already implemented some descriptions of your hosting plans as I outlined in my post -- which would specifically contradict your claim of unlimited... or you would have specifically had the opposite, which I clearly outlined how it would defeat the purpose and intent.


And yeah, I remember when I used to run out press film at the Lino service, and used to get charged a per minute rate for processing time. Then I remember one day, when suddenly no one was charging processing time any more. And why? Because technology evolved to a point where it no longer made any sence. And also because customer service evolved to a point where doleing out unpredictable charges became a no, no.


That was a completely irrelevant and poor example. Very, very poor. These are two different things. If processing time involved the company having 1,000 employee's per town, all driving around for 24 hours every day in large trucks that use regular fuel, it wouldn't cover their costs from the processing alone. You can't realistically just charge the one time fee for a service that is ongoing and all that ongoing costs -- not from _your end_ as the company, but from _your supplier_. Gas still costs and your company can't change that fact. Bandwidth still costs, and your company can't change that fact.

You simply can't promise to give something away to a massive amount of people, when that "something" will never be unlimited or free from _your_ supplier. Unless you have a very good deal with your backbone provider and they are just literally giving it away for free, then you're going to have to A: Set limits. B: Pay out of your own pocket. C: Hope all the combined user's don't actually use a huge amount of bandwidth. D: Do not do A, B or C and go out of business.

We're not talking about process time. I don't know how you can't get this? I mean, that's like having a wherehouse full of beer, you can "Buy one can and you can take as much as you want, forever". They come in with a few U-hauls, make a few trips and you're out of beer. They come back later asking where the rest is, since you said they can take as much as they want -- at least as logn as you're in business. Are you going to now tell them "Well, that was only a valid offer while the moon was aligned with Venus!" Or, are you going to stand by your claim and say "Yes, the offer's still valid, we just have no more beer"... and further, how is their one time purchase of that one can for 80 cents going to cover the 250,000 cases they've already grabbed earlier, let alone the next 250,000 cases they'll have? How can you afford this? You have to pay a supplier to give this to you, it costs, you can't change that. This is the same thing for bandwidth, it doesn't just stop costing. Again, either you have to set limits, hope people don't really use over their allowances, pay for it all yourself when that time arises (and it would), or go out of business and not live up to your promise either way.


I can't imagin why, can you?:eek:

Yes, I can certainly imagine why. I don't think you're being reasonable or rational about this. You are going to find yourself only defending yourself here. Earlier I stated that you seem to want to help the client's out of kindness, but I can clearly see that you don't. Not when you are arguing about something that is clearly something you can't provide without putting in conditions that will counter the offer. You should do the right thing and rething what words you use. I didn't need to read your terms of service to find anything out before I posted, nor now -- and I see absolutely no reason to.

Unlimited can't be done, unless you are lucky to not have sites that use much bandwidth. You might get away with it, but only because the site's didn't move too much. Your system has limits, your connection has limits. It's not physically possible anyway, but even if you said that you'll give them up to the amount that is physically possible, you could have some site's consume so much bandwidth, that (as other's have stated, as I have as well) the other 99% will suffer from slowness and/or loss of data. No condition of your terms of service will ever change that or that risk. Maybe you'll just get lucky, maybe not.

The point being, again, you should at least reword the site and the term to not say "unlimited". If you do, you simply can't possibly offer it. If I have a lunch box with 3 sandwiches and I say, I'll give you an unlimited amount of sandwiches and you eat 2 of them, then maybe I've sort-of lived up to my promise, but that's just because I was lucky you weren't hungry enough to have 4. I guess I'm not making a very good point here, but you are either offering unlimited or not. You can't possibly offer unlimited, and if you have any terms or conditions limiting who can qualify for that offer, than you've proven you aren't offering it -- because if you limit high traffic sites, then if any of your client's reach a certain amount, they no longer qualify for the offer. If you limit it to only small sites under a certain amount, you're not offering unlimited bandwidth to anyone anyway. People here have to (and rightfully so) question how knowledgeable and qualified a host can possibly be, if they don't even know enough to know that you can't possibly offer unlimited bandwidth, without limiting the people that can qualify for that, and therein negates the entire offer anyway. Really, in my _opinion_, this makes me believe that you are someone that has no idea what they are doing and has no good intentions, knowing that you will have to use deceit to offer this plan, after all the information we've given to you about how it's not possible -- yet you still offer the impossible. All it takes is one user to get enough traffic to force you into doing (as described above) A, B, C or D.

Okay, here's a better example. Bandwidth costs money. Bandwidth = money. You are telling people that you have an unlimited amount of money to give away, as long as they pay you a small amount. These people pay you $15, and you promise to give them an unlimited amount of money in return. Where are you getting this money? Even if money grew on trees and you made your own money, there's still a limit to the amount you could have. What happens when some greedy client starts taking all the money you have left and another 20 client's that gave you $15, don't even get that much? How can you promise unlimited bandwidth, when bandwidth costs money? The more bandwidth, the more money, how can you afford this? What condition can you set? Only unlimited money, as long as you don't ask for too much?

Originally posted by JoeM
Again - I will leave it up to you to remove your big read JUDGMENTAL notes. It's your forum. But you should know that at this point or indeed very shortly, (as we respond to further feedback regarding this issue) your BIG RED NOTES are or will very soon be obsolete and inaccurate, to the degree of putting forth a false characterization of our firm.

Joe, please note that I removed the warnings before I even saw the post above in the queue, as I checked back and saw that you've been working on the site. My BIG RED NOTES were not judgemental. I simply saw this post, went to your site, and read past the first page and saw glaring contradictions on the subsequent pages.

That's not being judgemental.

You post one thing, site says something else. How was I supposed to know you were changing it? In the future, I strongly suggest you get the site ready, before you post an offer to this forum with a URL.

Originally posted by Chicken


Joe, please note that I removed the warnings before I even saw the post above in the queue, as I checked back and saw that you've been working on the site. My BIG RED NOTES were not judgemental. I simply saw this post, went to your site, and read past the first page and saw glaring contradictions on the subsequent pages.

That's not being judgemental.

You post one thing, site says something else. How was I supposed to know you were changing it? In the future, I strongly suggest you get the site ready, before you post an offer to this forum with a URL.


Ever so true. Sorry for the snap. My mistake.
We're just trying to do too many things at once around here.

Let me ask this question:

I have a popular video collection site with 3000-6000 unique visitors per day. Each file is about 500K - 2M and totil files are about 50MB. According to your plan, it seems I pay less than $10. But, The average bandwidth usage is about 5GB.

All files are legal and non-adult. Do you mean I pay $10 for 150GB bandwidth with you is not a problem?

If it's the case, I would love to get at least one account with you.

Can you confirm this?

ebird

Originally posted by ebird
Let me ask this question:

I have a popular video collection site with 3000-6000 unique visitors per day. Each file is about 500K - 2M and totil files are about 50MB. According to your plan, it seems I pay less than $10. But, The average bandwidth usage is about 5GB.

All files are legal and non-adult. Do you mean I pay $10 for 150GB bandwidth with you is not a problem?

If it's the case, I would love to get at least one account with you.

Can you confirm this?

ebird


You may be surprised, with just a change of a word here and there, this could be a clone of the many e-mail over the past few hours that we have received describing nearly the exact same situation and asking the same question. Most of these messages are down right stupid by any standard. But unlike a handful in this forum, I don't jump to conclusions and I treat everyone as if the were completely sincere. In doing so, I invite a phone call or additional email for further discussion, but so far not a one of them has taken me up on the offer. Predictably enough.

If you don't mind, since you have elected to post this question openly, I will return to this forum in 24 hours and report results of further contact with you, in general terms of course.

In any event, post, or send me your current web address privately. And we will talk further. If you are serious about this, then perhaps we could work something out. So far there are a number of customers who have recently opened accounts with us. of which by all indications were victimized by absurd traffic charges by their former and probably very crooked hosts. In fact I am helping one former customer file a complaint with the FTC, because of course the fraudulent charges were conducted across state lines. Perhaps you are in a similar situation, in need of similar assistance.

It would help me make a determination about opening your new LinkSky account if I had access to your current web stats for this month and previous months as well. I'll be up working all night so feel free to call or write anytime. (All contact info is at www.linksky.com.)

Originally posted by JoeM
It would help me make a determination about opening your new LinkSky account if I had access to your current web stats for this month and previous months as well.Am I following that correctly: You offer unlimited transfers, but to get an account a potential customer has to prove to you that the site won't need it?

Originally posted by JayC
Am I following that correctly: You offer unlimited transfers, but to get an account a potential customer has to prove to you that the site won't need it?

No, not at all. The prospect in this case is claiming to have an extraordinary large amount of monthly download. I am afraid he is going to have to demonstrate to me that he can meet our AUP, more specifically that he speaks the truth when he says, "All files are legal and non-adult." I have never known or even heard of a site requiring 150GB of monthly bandwidth that was not adult oriented or some kind of warez site.

I also wanted to see if I could determine that perhaps his host provider was in some way exaggerating the monthly bandwidth stats, thus ripping him off royally. I have seen a moderate amount of this lately. If he was sincere (highly doubtful) I would have helped him analyze his raw server log files.

If he truly does have that much traffic, there is always the possibility of LinkSky buying a dedicated server for him and host him for free in exchange placing our ad banner on his home page in an exclusive arrangement. We have one such arrangement now and it is being looked upon quite favorably by all parties involved. Thus my other reason for checking out his log files.

However, he has not replied to my offer, no calls, no email. So he is in all likelihood just another in the parade of spineless jokers trying to poke holes in our hosting plan from a cynical distance. It seems if they had any guts at all, they would engage us in a negotiation to actually see if we could really help them. But the cowards simply worm away back into their slimy holes when presented with a logical and truly sincere reply... So far anyway.

Most of these messages are down right stupid by any standard. But unlike a handful in this forum, I don't jump to conclusions and I treat everyone as if the were completely sincere. :angry:


You think people ask the questions for a confirmation about this "unlimited" before they sign up are stupid, and you who make an unlimited bandwidth offer is smart???


It would help me make a determination about opening your new LinkSky account if I had access to your current web stats for this month and previous months as well.


Which basically means nobody will grow the sites with you since if you are not happy about their bandwidth, you will turn down their sites.

Although your post did serve the marketing purpose, I believe you will not get many accounts for that stupid unlimited hosting plan.

Hi Mod, I am not the first one using "stupid" in the post.

I read this right after I posted my reply. I have to do it again.


"All files are legal and non-adult." I have never known or even heard of a site requiring 150GB of monthly bandwidth that was not adult oriented or some kind of warez site.

You have never heard of it doesn't mean it's not existing. So, you have never heard of Yahoo!?!

I have to ask: How old are you? Another kid wants to get some extra money?

I don't have such a site, I just want to see whether you can handle it and how you are going to handle it.



I also wanted to see if I could determine that perhaps his host provider was in some way exaggerating the monthly bandwidth stats, thus ripping him off royally. I have seen a moderate amount of this lately. If he was sincere (highly doubtful) I would have helped him analyze his raw server log files.

I do have a literature site with 15mb content. It's listed under Yahoo and I got 3000-6000, and the bandwidth usage is about 20-30gb per month. With 50MB video. I think 150gb is not a bad assumption. Since if one watch a 1mb video, it's one 1mb. but it take 10 people to read a 100K novel to use 1mb. Forgot to tell you, about 70% are returning visitors, which mean they only read new novels.


If he truly does have that much traffic, there is always the possibility of LinkSky buying a dedicated server for him and host him for free in exchange placing our ad banner on his home page in an exclusive arrangement. We have one such arrangement now and it is being looked upon quite favorably by all parties involved. Thus my other reason for checking out his log files.

Now this maybe the truth. If one site use a lot of bandwidth, he/she should put your banner exclusively. So, don't claim to offer unlimited bandwidth usage for shared accounts!!!



However, he has not replied to my offer, no calls, no email. So he is in all likelihood just another in the parade of spineless jokers trying to poke holes in our hosting plan from a cynical distance. It seems if they had any guts at all, they would engage us in a negotiation to actually see if we could really help them. But the cowards simply worm away back into their slimy holes when presented with a logical and truly sincere reply... So far anyway.

Were you referring that "he" as "me"? When did you leave me any contact info and ask me to contact you? When did I give you my contact info?

Learn from 9kd people. At least they listen to the advice here and lowered the bandwidth offer from unlimited to 15gb or 10gb something.

ebird

BTW, somethins's weird with this board tonight. I couldn't see my reply after I posted it. I wrote another similar reply. So, if mods see it, delete it. Thanks.

No, not at all. The prospect in this case is claiming to have an extraordinary large amount of monthly download. I am afraid he is going to have to demonstrate to me that he can meet our AUP, more specifically that he speaks the truth when he says, "All files are legal and non-adult." I have never known or even heard of a site requiring 150GB of monthly bandwidth that was not adult oriented or some kind of warez site.

This only means you don't have any experience in hosting. Just one example, Yahoo.com. In addition, I don't have a site like that. I just want to know whether you can handle it. If you can not handle it, put away that stupid "unlimited" thing.


I also wanted to see if I could determine that perhaps his host provider was in some way exaggerating the monthly bandwidth stats, thus ripping him off royally. I have seen a moderate amount of this lately. If he was sincere (highly doubtful) I would have helped him analyze his raw server log files.

I do have a literature site with 15mb content. It's listed under Yahoo and I got 3000-6000, and the bandwidth usage is about 20-30gb per month. With 50MB video. I think 150gb is not a bad assumption. Since if one watch a 1mb video, it's one 1mb. but it take 10 people to read a 100K novel to use 1mb. Forgot to tell you, about 70% are returning visitors, which mean they only read new novels.



If he truly does have that much traffic, there is always the possibility of LinkSky buying a dedicated server for him and host him for free in exchange placing our ad banner on his home page in an exclusive arrangement. We have one such arrangement now and it is being looked upon quite favorably by all parties involved. Thus my other reason for checking out his log files.

Now you tell the truth. For a site use a lot bandwidth, they should put your banner exclusively on their sites. So, you DO NOT offer unlimited bandwidth shared hosting!!! There are strings attached!!!


However, he has not replied to my offer, no calls, no email. So he is in all likelihood just another in the parade of spineless jokers trying to poke holes in our hosting plan from a cynical distance. It seems if they had any guts at all, they would engage us in a negotiation to actually see if we could really help them. But the cowards simply worm away back into their slimy holes when presented with a logical and truly sincere reply... So far anyway.

Are you talking about me? When did you send me any messages asking me to call you, or contact you? When did I contact you? (besides I posed messages here?} When did I give you my contact info? Please post "my" email to you to remind me that I did send you a message.

You have a very bad attitude!!! Why not learn from 9kd people. At least they listen to the advices here and lowered their bandwidth offer from unlited to 10 or 15gb per month!!!

:angry: :angry: :angry:

ebird

Originally posted by JoeM

However, he has not replied to my offer, no calls, no email. So he is in all likelihood just another in the parade of spineless jokers trying to poke holes in our hosting plan from a cynical distance. It seems if they had any guts at all, they would engage us in a negotiation to actually see if we could really help them. But the cowards simply worm away back into their slimy holes when presented with a logical and truly sincere reply... So far anyway.

I hope that's not the opinion you have about every potential client that inquires about your service -- if they don't respond within a few hours. You know, there's more to the cynical side than the observations that those of us that know better state -- it's the fact that this wouldn't be happening if you weren't trying to pull this. To try and talk it down or act like people are just attacking you and not giving you a chance, is not a good argument. I started out explaining how it can't work, you can't and haven't well argued or debated that fact -- because you have nothing to back your side up, of course. I stated that you seemed like you wanted to help out of kindness, and now the last few responses of yours, make it (in my opinion) blatantly obvious that you had, and still have, no better intentions than the likes of Truehosting. Any relation?

Originally posted by JoeM
I have never known or even heard of a site requiring 150GB of monthly bandwidth that was not adult oriented or some kind of warez site.


Very true ... probably not 150GB ... But there are a lot of sites, consuming at least 30-50GB of data transfer (per month) and this is just a bulletin board site like WHT .... I have one client that consumes around 20GB of bandwith per month with 15-20 million hits per month .... Nothing illegal/adult content whatsoever ...


I also wanted to see if I could determine that perhaps his host provider was in some way exaggerating the monthly bandwidth stats, thus ripping him off royally. I have seen a moderate amount of this lately. If he was sincere (highly doubtful) I would have helped him analyze his raw server log files.


This is not always be the case ... A lot of people forget that host usually don't charge based on actual data transfer, but rather based on average bandwith measurement or even based on 95th percentile; The difference can be a lot between the different measurements... Even if they do actual bandwith measurement, you can't just take a look at the http log file since there are other things (ftp, mails, etc) that should be counted towards the total data transfer usage...

Though personally I think every good host should avoid offering a misleading "unlimited bandwith offer", good luck with your new venture ....

cheers,
:beer:

Originally posted by Duster
It's a lie !. You know it, we know it, and more and more people are learning it. You spend so much effort trying to convince people that a sack of manure is really air freshener and fail to realize that we can tell the difference no matter what you say. You might say we can smell the difference.

Unlimited bandwidth is a lie and there is nothing anyone can do to make it true or believable. That doesn't stop many from trying. Frankly, they have as much credibility as spammers when they say "This isn't spam. You asked for it".

I'll tell stile to piggyback LinkSky if JoeM continues to offer unlimited bandwidth for his clients.

I do not believe in any web host that says unlimited disk space or bandwidth. Those that provide actual numbers have, at least, more realistic business sense. What good is it if a company offers great benefits and unable to guarantee that it will still be alive by the next year?

'Frankly, they have as much credibility as spammers when they say "This isn't spam. You asked for it".'

I have to tell you all on that quote. Yes it's true, a company spammed me regularly. I received mail about useless stuff like free watches and free bank account with a legit bank. The message that appears at the bottom of each spam is: "You asked for it." WTF?!?! Excuse me, I have never requested such information. This is << INSERT INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE HERE >>.

The company that pays for www.dmlogix.com and mail.dmlogix.com is AdClip Networks, but the real owner seems to be some retard named Timon Warecki of Milford, MA. Worse, they have fake contact addresses and phony phone numbers.

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Ahhhh the art of taking things out of context to prove a point.

The "stupid" messages I was referring to were the direct personal email messages I have been receiving of an increasingly juvnial tones to the likes of, "Hey, my site uses 150GB per month, can I have a 10 buck account too?".

Stupid? Ignorant? Idiotic? Pointless? Insincere? Antiproductive?

Pick your favorite word.

Yet, as I said in the post you refer to, I do indeed follow up all these messages as if they were sincere. I ask them for further contact, or to simply to read our AUP and TOP and fill out the form if they think they are in compliance. Yet they never do and I never hear another word from them. So it becomes apparent they are only sending such messages to harass. And yes, I truly believe harassment is "stupid". Don't you? Or perhaps you think harassment is an effective persuasive tool of discourse? Obviously so does the RNC, and so did Hitler's nazis for that matter. So if you do hold this view, at least you're not alone.



Originally posted by ebird


You think people ask the questions for a confirmation about this "unlimited" before they sign up are stupid, and you who make an unlimited bandwidth offer is smart???



Which basically means nobody will grow the sites with you since if you are not happy about their bandwidth, you will turn down their sites.

Although your post did serve the marketing purpose, I believe you will not get many accounts for that stupid unlimited hosting plan.

Hi Mod, I am not the first one using "stupid" in the post.

eBird. You never came back with anything that would tell me you were sincere in your request for a LinkSky account. You never even gave me the address for your current web site.

Obviously you only asked of you could have a LinkSky account as a launching point for a debate. The fact of the matter is, the subject is not up for debate. You can call it wierd, a lie, a bucket of c*ap, what ever gets you off. I don't care. It's just a feature of the accounts we offer, period.

The fact that it rases so much venom in people like you surprises me to no end. Why you would feel so threatened by it is a big mystery to me. Do YOU have a hosting service where you charge people out the kazoo for bandwidth?

Perhaps this is at the heart of your problems with me.

In any case, you and the likes of you call ME a liar, yet you ask ME if you can open an account and never ever follow up. So tell me again, who exactly do you think is insincere?


""He who fights too long against dragons becomes
a dragon himself"

- Nietzsche


P.S. It's none of your business but to answer some of your more personal questions, I'm 46 years old. LinkSky Hosting is a subsidery of Paragon3 that has been serving the advertising, high-tech, education and entertainment markets across North America since 1988.

Recently launched, LinkSky Hosting has been an enterprise in the works for the past two years. The business is well backed and here to stay.

Every offering including Unlimited Bandwidth has been well researched before it is made public.

I keep thinking, wow, if our Unlimited Bandwidth has raised this kind of fuss, wait till they see what's coming up next!

Good luck with your endeavors.

Joseph at www.LinkSky.com




Originally posted by ebird
I read this right after I posted my reply. I have to do it again.




You have never heard of it doesn't mean it's not existing. So, you have never heard of Yahoo!?!

I have to ask: How old are you? Another kid wants to get some extra money?

I don't have such a site, I just want to see whether you can handle it and how you are going to handle it.




I do have a literature site with 15mb content. It's listed under Yahoo and I got 3000-6000, and the bandwidth usage is about 20-30gb per month. With 50MB video. I think 150gb is not a bad assumption. Since if one watch a 1mb video, it's one 1mb. but it take 10 people to read a 100K novel to use 1mb. Forgot to tell you, about 70% are returning visitors, which mean they only read new novels.



Now this maybe the truth. If one site use a lot of bandwidth, he/she should put your banner exclusively. So, don't claim to offer unlimited bandwidth usage for shared accounts!!!




Were you referring that "he" as "me"? When did you leave me any contact info and ask me to contact you? When did I give you my contact info?

Learn from 9kd people. At least they listen to the advice here and lowered the bandwidth offer from unlimited to 15gb or 10gb something.

ebird

BTW, somethins's weird with this board tonight. I couldn't see my reply after I posted it. I wrote another similar reply. So, if mods see it, delete it. Thanks.

Originally posted by JoeM
Or perhaps you think harassment is an effective persuasive tool of discourse? Obviously so does the RNC, and so did Hitler's nazis for that matter. So if you do hold this view, at least you're not alone.


Godwin's Law. You lose.

REGARDING SPAM.

I enjoy putting spammer's out of business. Here is the message that we send to the spammer's ISP or host as a matter of routine.

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NOTICE OF PENDING LEGAL ACTION:

Your actions of repeatedly sending unsolicited email promotions (a.k.a. spam) to this email address does indeed impede our normal flow of business communications. Therefore your actions will also hereby result in the imposition of civil liability against you in accordance with Cal. Bus. & Prof. Code Section 17538.45.

One more unsolicited email sent to paragon3@p3b.com OR (ANYNAME)@p3b.com OR to any and all e-mail addresses under domains owned by p3b.com,
by either YOU, ONE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS OR ONE OF YOUR EMPLOYEES will invoke a serious and unfettered civil response against you and your company.

Also, if you distribute your address list and it contains one of our
addresses and this distribution can be traced back to you, it will have extreme impact on your fiscal health in the near term and for the foreseeable future.

Joseph Maas,
owner / founder paragon3

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Still don't believe me, go to read our AUP at LinkSky and you will see how much we are against spam.



Just to be sparkling clear - LinkSky has never sent out USM (spam) or any e-mail solicitations for that matter in any way, shape for form. I have never heard of this spammer you refer to in your post. And I am only responding because you begin your post talking about LinkSky Hosting. The only connection between the beginning and the end of your post in strictly in your own mind.

To impress a point upon you. Our offer, every offer is sincere and our hosting company is well backed by our very successful graphic design enterprise, Paragon3. To quote from our About Page.
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Hosting with honesty, experience and reliability
Paragon3, owners of LinkSky, serving the advertising, high-tech, education and entertainment markets across North America since 1988
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You can read more about paragon3 at www.p3b.com although the site is a bit dated by now.





Originally posted by PBoy


I'll tell stile to piggyback LinkSky if JoeM continues to offer unlimited bandwidth for his clients.

I do not believe in any web host that says unlimited disk space or bandwidth. Those that provide actual numbers have, at least, more realistic business sense. What good is it if a company offers great benefits and unable to guarantee that it will still be alive by the next year?

'Frankly, they have as much credibility as spammers when they say "This isn't spam. You asked for it".'

I have to tell you all on that quote. Yes it's true, a company spammed me regularly. I received mail about useless stuff like free watches and free bank account with a legit bank. The message that appears at the bottom of each spam is: "You asked for it." WTF?!?! Excuse me, I have never requested such information. This is << INSERT INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE HERE >>.

The company that pays for www.dmlogix.com and mail.dmlogix.com is AdClip Networks, but the real owner seems to be some retard named Timon Warecki of Milford, MA. Worse, they have fake contact addresses and phony phone numbers.

Hmm, my original post in this thread has been overlooked in this flame war. JoeM suggested in his first post that his unlimited bandwidth accounts would be suitable for bulletin board web sites. Well forget about the bandwidth issues for a moment. Put a handful of web sites with moderately successful vBulletin boards onto a dedicated server and they will hog the CPU. How can you afford to cater for bulletin board web sites and not be able to fit more than a few onto a server? It doesn't add up.

What's more, when these sites become too successful and you have to rely on the technicalities of your TOS/AUP to dump them or charge them for overusage, these clients will come honking and squeeling onto this forum and others about what a bad host you are and how you shut down their site, blah, blah... The regular posters here will then post saying "There's no such thing as unlimited bandwidth and that's why you got burnt because you were naive to think there was" and you will just end being lumped in with the other hosts who have bad reputations here. Well thats just MHO for what it is worth to you.

Originally posted by Tim_Greer


I hope that's not the opinion you have about every potential client that inquires about your service -- if they don't respond within a few hours. You know, there's more to the cynical side than the observations that those of us that know better state -- it's the fact that this wouldn't be happening if you weren't trying to pull this. To try and talk it down or act like people are just attacking you and not giving you a chance, is not a good argument. I started out explaining how it can't work, you can't and haven't well argued or debated that fact -- because you have nothing to back your side up, of course. I stated that you seemed like you wanted to help out of kindness, and now the last few responses of yours, make it (in my opinion) blatantly obvious that you had, and still have, no better intentions than the likes of Truehosting. Any relation?


Huh? Truehosting? That the company of one of these harassers?

Tim, I think if you saw some of the email I have been getting you would say, "Oh yeah, well okay then."

As I have been saying, I STILL and always treat every message sent to us as though it were sincere. It's just that it is very easy to see the difference between:

"Hey, I've got 150 GB of traffic, can I have a 10 buck a month LinkSite too?"

and

"My 13 year old son has a site at #### Hosting. He only has a simple site for his school projects. But now #### Hosting is charging $28 per month more for bandwidth. We don't think this is right..."


And when YOU say, "it's the fact that this wouldn't be happening if you weren't trying to pull this..."

Trying to "pull" what?

A con perhaps?


So Tim, you think that by default, offering unlimited bandwidth is a con? A fabrication? A lie?

Geeeezzzzzuds!!!!!!!! My advise to you is to peal away those prejudicial stick-ons you've plastered over your specks and skoot up close to your monitor and read the following realllllll carefully:

"Psssst, we are not offering unlimited bandwidth for JanguarPC (hosting). We are offering it, in order to put our customer's minds at ease; To tell them here is at least one host where the door is not left open for unpredictable and indeed unlimited hosting charges."

Got that?

Yes, and I would also probably think you posed a valid counter point if I too did not see the full picture of our plan. I will not reveal it here because this is not the place. However, just let me just say that dumping someone who is following our AUP and TOC, once accepted as a LinkSky customer, is not an option and will not ever happen. (Also there is not mention of a "charge for overusage" anywhere, nor is there anything similar to my knowledge in our AUP or TOC unless someone has, for instance, installed a recursive CGI that has taken down, therefore damaged the entire system.)

And to help you "add it up" let me also give you a strong hint as to how we would handle your proposed situation. Ever hear of the term "load balancing"?

I think in summary, you will see that our offering does not make any sense to you because you are looking at it with blinders on. i.e. from your own particular perspective.


Originally posted by freakysid
Hmm, my original post in this thread has been overlooked in this flame war. JoeM suggested in his first post that his unlimited bandwidth accounts would be suitable for bulletin board web sites. Well forget about the bandwidth issues for a moment. Put a handful of web sites with moderately successful vBulletin boards onto a dedicated server and they will hog the CPU. How can you afford to cater for bulletin board web sites and not be able to fit more than a few onto a server? It doesn't add up.

What's more, when these sites become too successful and you have to rely on the technicalities of your TOS/AUP to dump them or charge them for overusage, these clients will come honking and squeeling onto this forum and others about what a bad host you are and how you shut down their site, blah, blah... The regular posters here will then post saying "There's no such thing as unlimited bandwidth and that's why you got burnt because you were naive to think there was" and you will just end being lumped in with the other hosts who have bad reputations here. Well thats just MHO for what it is worth to you.

The "stupid" messages I was referring to were the direct personal email messages I have been receiving of an increasingly juvnial tones to the likes of, "Hey, my site uses 150GB per month, can I have a 10 buck account too?".


Why is that stupid? Have you looked up the meaning of the word unlimited, I did post a dictionary definition earlier on? Have you looked up the meaning of the word bandwidth? Essential this is false advertising I believe.

Why not change the description to

Unmetered Data Transfer *
Unmetered Storage *

*See terms and conditions, limited by physical capacity and available resources, subejct to approval.

WOULD THAT NOT BE MORE HONEST???

btw, do you know the difference between data transfer and bandwidth also?

Originally posted by MattF


Why is that stupid? Have you looked up the meaning of the word unlimited, I did post a dictionary definition earlier on? Have you looked up the meaning of the word bandwidth? Essential this is false advertising I believe.

Why not change the description to

Unmetered Data Transfer *
Unmetered Storage *

*See terms and conditions, limited by physical capacity and available resources, subejct to approval.

WOULD THAT NOT BE MORE HONEST???

btw, do you know the difference between data transfer and bandwidth also?

Highly appreciated!!!

Now THERE'S A GOOD POST containing a valid point. vB Code, I tip my hat to you.

See everyone, this is CONSTRUCTIVE CRITIQUE! The kind where everyone benefits!

Although we do meter storage, I like the term Unmetered Data Transfer with the footnote "See terms and conditions, limited by physical capacity and available resources, subejct to approval."

Indeed, I like what you suggest very much. I will submit this for my partner for review and we may very well be using this new language you suggest.

Regarding the difference between Bandwidth and data transfer.

Yup. The term Bandwidth in my opinion has always been mis-applied when it comes to internet matters. It is a term used in electronics to describe a frequency range (correct me if I'm a lil off here), and has nothing to do with data transfer.

So yes, this is another good reason for changing our language around this offering.

Wow vB Code, your a clear beam in the merky forrest.
Please let me know if you have anything else for us.

indeed, to be unlimited is to have no physical boundaries, no physical or potential limitations.

Ive stated the unlimited theory before and many people have changed their tune.

Unlimited means, you do not tell me i have to abide by ANY bandwidth rules, no matter how stupid my requests are, if you place a clause upon my "unlimited" status, you are therefore contradicting yourself.

If I ask you for a "quote" on a site that consumes 500GB of data per month, dont tell me thats not possible legally, I would not want to know, i just want you to say "yes" not a problem 500GB is easy, now that would be a correct thing to say. So therefore "quote" me on the premise i will be consuming 500GB per month, dont question my use, dont question the existence of such a site, "presume" I have the site afterall im the customer, im here to be quoted for a service.

So, can you do this? tell me that me consuming 500GB of data through your routers to the internet is available, if it is not then i would appreciate you remove your advertisement with immediate affect, or alter it to say you cannot supply me with my demands, thus making your offer null and void!

The End :cool:

Unlimited Bandwidth is simply not possible - nothing is unlimited - thats it.

JoeM: Would you host a website like http://www.macdesktops.com/ ? That uses over 400 GB's per month? I don't think so. Correct me if i'm wrong.

I just hate seeing all this flaming and unlimited bandwidth claiming going on each and every day.

As it currently states on our home page, the term we use is "unlimited traffic". And yes, of course, there is no such thing as unlimited in the physical universe, unless we are taking about the narrowness of some of these posts.

So do me a favor, and read some of my other replys, particularly my most receit reply to Tim of JaguarPC, and you will have your answer too.

Oh also, read our AUP and then think again about that 500GB site you propose and tell me if you think it would comply.


Originally posted by xtstrike
indeed, to be unlimited is to have no physical boundaries, no physical or potential limitations.

Ive stated the unlimited theory before and many people have changed their tune.

Unlimited means, you do not tell me i have to abide by ANY bandwidth rules, no matter how stupid my requests are, if you place a clause upon my "unlimited" status, you are therefore contradicting yourself.

If I ask you for a "quote" on a site that consumes 500GB of data per month, dont tell me thats not possible legally, I would not want to know, i just want you to say "yes" not a problem 500GB is easy, now that would be a correct thing to say. So therefore "quote" me on the premise i will be consuming 500GB per month, dont question my use, dont question the existence of such a site, "presume" I have the site afterall im the customer, im here to be quoted for a service.

So, can you do this? tell me that me consuming 500GB of data through your routers to the internet is available, if it is not then i would appreciate you remove your advertisement with immediate affect, or alter it to say you cannot supply me with my demands, thus making your offer null and void!

The End :cool:

ok, i got what i wanted, im great at using words against people and im about to do it again to prove a point.

- - - - - - -
yes, of course, there is no such thing as unlimited
- - - - - - -

you have used the word unlimited here and given me an explanation that there is no such thing, how can you say you offer unlimited bandwidth/data tx when there is no such thing?

what you are saying with your AUP and TOS is as follows as a simple real life example:

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You get a card through the door saying you have won the $30 jackpot local fund raiser prize, please call us to claim your FREE $30.

*calls are charged at $2 per minute, its is estimated calls will last 20 minutes
---------------------

your TOS contradicts the word unlimited its just not unlimited if you impose restrictions or limitations of use is it?

Originally posted by Kiwi
Unlimited Bandwidth is simply not possible - nothing is unlimited - thats it.

JoeM: Would you host a website like http://www.macdesktops.com/ ? That uses over 400 GB's per month? I don't think so. Correct me if i'm wrong.

I just hate seeing all this flaming and unlimited bandwidth claiming going on each and every day.

Depends. Do you think they would be in compliance with our AUP?

Here is the first part of our AUP which summarizes the entire document. So you tell me:

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ACCEPTABLE USE POLICY

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In brief - We do not allow sites that are in the business is distributing large amounts of data for download. Examples of sites which we do not allow are as follows:



Sites involved with unsolicited mailings of any kind (a.k.a. spam).

Sites featuring questionable material that takes the subject matter beyond a typical PG13 rating. - We are not trying to be morality cops here. Our intent is to preserve bandwidth for sites that have a wide, general audience We refuse to have our servers taken over by any special interest group, period.

Shareware, warez, stock photography, music & video files, etc. Again, our servers are NOT to be used for the mass distribution of software.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

You can read the whole thing at our site under the signup tab.

I do wish you would do check this out first, you and others like you who constantly ask questions like, "Would you host blah blah who uses 500GB per month then?"

It would save a bunch of bandwidth usage here, at this forum. That's for sure.

please answer my question straight.

presume its massive amounts of password protected and encrypted text at a rate of 500GB tx per month.

the site proposed uses 500GB data tx per month will you host it? I am a customer asking for a quote.

Please I want a YES or NO answer

YES = Looks To Be Unlimited Bandwidth
NO = This Thread Is A Blatant LIE

I think we should stop discussing this and stop giving advices to this guy.

It's that simple. The more we reply, the more people will read it, the more "brand awareness" he will get, and the more people will become the victims. So, stop posting replies here.

Bumping his own message is against the rule, right?

Let's see some people asking questions in the wenhosting forum and we can give them advices there, so that they don't become new victims of the "unlimited" thing.

By the way, if there's string attached,
Unlimited bandwidth*
* unlimited mean 5GB

It's not unlimited. I agree with xstrike.

Let's say, stop posting replies here?!

ebird

Originally posted by xtstrike
ok, i got what i wanted, im great at using words against people and im about to do it again to prove a point.

- - - - - - -
yes, of course, there is no such thing as unlimited
- - - - - - -

you have used the word unlimited here and given me an explanation that there is no such thing, how can you say you offer unlimited bandwidth/data tx when there is no such thing?

what you are saying with your AUP and TOS is as follows as a simple real life example:

---------------------
You get a card through the door saying you have won the $30 jackpot local fund raiser prize, please call us to claim your FREE $30.

*calls are charged at $2 per minute, its is estimated calls will last 20 minutes
---------------------
your TOS contradicts the word unlimited its just not unlimited if you impose restrictions or limitations of use is it?

No they don't. Aspects of our service can certainly be without limitation. We don't throw open the gates and say, "Come one come all yadda yadda yadda for your UNLIMITED EVERYTHING" as you are suggesting we are doing. We don't say, "Every thing we offer is UNLIMITED."

This may be big news to you, but there ARE shades of gray in the universe, there ARE various hues in the spectra.

Look, you can peruse the argument along philosopher's stone paths all you want. Indeed if you're good at it, and if you lack all kinds of horse sense, then you can put forth logical arguments that favor any scenario, no matter how absurd. For instance I can sit here and prove to you that every arrow launched toward a target, will never reach it. Why? Because the distance between the shooter and the target can be infinitely divided. Thus I have succeeded via logic to argue my way out of the real world. But hey, what's that. Oh holy cow, did I say "real". What is reality anyway?... And so we go, on and on and on.

Please read my more recent response to Tim at JaguarePC. Pay close attention to the last few paragraphs and you'll have your answer.

And do yourself a favor and go out and find some of that stuff they call horse sense. It'll do you a lot of good.

Originally posted by xtstrike
please answer my question straight.

presume its massive amounts of password protected and encrypted text at a rate of 500GB tx per month.

the site proposed uses 500GB data tx per month will you host it? I am a customer asking for a quote.

Please I want a YES or NO answer

YES = Looks To Be Unlimited Bandwidth
NO = This Thread Is A Blatant LIE


Yes IF they are in compliance with our AUP and TOS.

By the way, have you read these items at the LinkSky site?

Victims? All of our hosting customers at LinkSky are very happy with the service. And we have NEVER kicked any account once accepted.

So where are the victims?

As far as I can tell, the only victims are here in this forum, specifically participants in this thread, who practice their own logic and chest beating self inflating attempts to prove their point against what we are offering at LinkSky.

Why do you suppose they make such an effort?

Perhaps the answer can be found in what the rest of the text says on our home page about the hosting biz in general.

So go on, and sell your 50MB accounts to your customers who have only 8MB sites. Then resell the spare 42MB until that 500MB hosting space you use is oversold like crazy to the tune of 10GB worth of accounts. Do you see me arguing this truly crazy business logic with you?


Originally posted by ebird
I think we should stop discussing this and stop giving advices to this guy.

It's that simple. The more we reply, the more people will read it, the more "brand awareness" he will get, and the more people will become the victims. So, stop posting replies here.

Bumping his own message is against the rule, right?

Let's see some people asking questions in the wenhosting forum and we can give them advices there, so that they don't become new victims of the "unlimited" thing.

By the way, if there's string attached,
Unlimited bandwidth*
* unlimited mean 5GB

It's not unlimited. I agree with xstrike.

Let's say, stop posting replies here?!

ebird

Originally posted by JoeM



Yes IF they are in compliance with our AUP and TOS.

By the way, have you read these items at the LinkSky site?

Let's cut the crapola:

"Unlimited as long as..." is N O T unlimited. Period. It is misleading and unethical to presume otherwise on your site or advertising materials.

So by your own statement, "If they are in compliance..." means there are indeed terms, conditions, limits, and rules about the 'unlimited' resource. I find it hard to believe you continue to defend such an obvious blunder. At this point if I was a prospective customer, I would be left wondering what else might not be as it seems on your site...

Also, do you think you're the first host to come along the pike offering 'unlimited bandwidth'? That nobody else has thought of this 'new concept in hosting'? Puh-leeze...

Originally posted by JoeM
In brief - We do not allow sites that are in the business is distributing large amounts of data for download.

Every site is designed to distribute large amounts of data for download. That's inclusive of forums, artwork, images on sites, text, and so on. Why on earth would someone build a site if not to have people pull data from it?

You are being disingenuous with every post you make. There is no such thing as unlimited transfer, in reality, or per your own AUP. Sites that consume tremendous amounts of transfer data are, per your own words, moved to their own server, with the implication being that they will pay x dollars or no dollars (but nowhere near the actual cost such transfer usage would yield - not even at places that do not charge obscene amounts for overages) and post ads or banners or somesuch for your company on their site. You therefore have some sort of limit, or you would place no restrictions on those types of users, and not require any sort of advertising, period, from you or anyone else, in return for your promise of "unlimited" transfer.

In regards to your site content: I detest hosting sites that do nothing more than try to bash everyone else in an attempt to be holier than thou. The fact that the AUP appears to be inaccessible except when you're just ready to order something would tell me to stay away right off the bat, even if I could bypass the "unlimited" claims. In short, your tone comes across as arrogant and your site is filled with dubious (at best) claims not only about "unlimited" anything, but such gems as "WE DO NOT pass your data off to other up-stream providers", which is an out and out lie. All of that, combined with the fact that the site is filled with grammatical and spelling errors does not inspire confidence that the company is capable of a) attention to detail or b) attention to a proper bottom line.

There is no such thing as "unlimited" transfer. It is always a lie when it is claimed. For someone who seems so outraged about some hosts charging excessive fees for overages, it's ironic that you don't understand the outrage others feel when you make claims that cannot possibly be true - and certainly are not, by the content of your own site.

and there the answer is:

"YES" they would host a site using 500GB of bandwidth.

I will wholly apologise if nobody arrives at this board in the next 6 months complaining about being removed from your servers for excessve data tx usage.

I am now personally endorsing the fact that LinkSys can provide this service as he has said here.

BUT just make sure that if i ever get hold of a spare pot of cash to try out this deal then I have a T3 ready to leech a text file from the server at a rate of 17 GB per day and please, dont think i wont try it ive been known to do more crazy stunts before now!!

Now all that remains to be seen is if 17GB per day constitutes excessive server resources ??

ADDED, but of course aswell, i will then be in the business of transferring large amounts of data, what a surprise, im breaching the contract.

No blunder here Mr. 5 dollar hosting.

Ohhhh I get it. You think that if you yell crap loud enough, some of it will actually stick and you're business (who is in direct competition with us, price wise) will look all the better for it.

Ohhh okay. Well we are quite happy to leave this kind of judging up to our existing and our new customers, who by the way mutually see us as the real consumer advocate among hosts. It's true.

And the new concept slogan, indicates a combination of services, not the least of which is a gradually scaling host plan that is way more fair than, for instance, selling 50MB hosting accounts to people with 9MB web sites, then reselling their unused space to someone else.

So it becomes apparent that you refer to our advertising materials and condemn them, without even having read them. Why am I not surprised?



Originally posted by shpilkus


Let's cut the crapola:

"Unlimited as long as..." is N O T unlimited. Period. It is misleading and unethical to presume otherwise on your site or advertising materials.

So by your own statement, "If they are in compliance..." means there are indeed terms, conditions, limits, and rules about the 'unlimited' resource. I find it hard to believe you continue to defend such an obvious blunder. At this point if I was a prospective customer, I would be left wondering what else might not be as it seems on your site...

Also, do you think you're the first host to come along the pike offering 'unlimited bandwidth'? That nobody else has thought of this 'new concept in hosting'? Puh-leeze...

Originally posted by Annette


Every site is designed to distribute large amounts of data for download. That's inclusive of forums, artwork, images on sites, text, and so on. Why on earth would someone build a site if not to have people pull data from it?....


Pulling data for browser viewing is one thing. The distribution of data, as in the download of executable shareward, etc. is quite another.

Again, you are splitting hairs in your silly attempts to prove a point. You KNOW damn well what we are referring to in our AUP. So does every one else with more than one hour of web surfing experience under their belts.

Wow. Xtstrike (interesting name) is really dancing the limbo now. "How low can you go?"

Xtstrike - I will wholly apologise if nobody arrives at this board in the next 6 months complaining about being removed from your servers for excessve data tx usage.

LinkSky - Okay, you're on.


Xtstrike - I am now personally endorsing the fact that LinkSys can provide this service as he has said here.

LinkSky - Welcome to LinkSky! Hey we have a great 2 for 1 referral plan going on right now, i.e. you bring us a new account and we give you two months of free hosting!


Xtstrike - BUT just make sure that if i ever get hold of a spare pot of cash to try out this deal then I have a T3 ready to leech a text file from the server at a rate of 17 GB per day and please, dont think i wont try it ive been known to do more crazy stunts before now!!

LinkSky - Otherwise known as a denial of service attack. For this I would rapidly seek you out, put the FTC and the FBI on the case and have your butt in jail before you could say the word, "hacker".


Xtstrike - Now all that remains to be seen is if 17GB per day constitutes excessive server resources ??

LinkSky - He wonders as roams the recreation penn staring down wistfully at a fuming cigarette butt on the blacktop.

*sigh*

Trust me, there's no competition.

I think most people who have been members here far longer than you will attest that with your current business plan, one of 2 possible futures awaits you:

1) You stick to your guns, giving away lots of (non-free to you) bandwidth and hemmorage money. Eventually you either change the business model (pissing off all your clients) or go out of business at a huge loss

or

2) Like others before you, you earn a reuptation for offering one thing and doing another. Just wait till you boot your first customer for using too many resources or 'evaluating their usage on a case-by-case basis' and deciding they need a dedicated server costing piles more money. Just wait.

BTW, all of us hosts who post here are in competition, and I am not the only one yelling crap at you. And as we have been in the business of offering smaller web hosting accounts (in terms of space) at essentially the same price as you since 1998, is your concept of 'gradually scaling' host plans really new? Nope. And I don't claim to have invented it either, there were plenty before me.

How come you haven't accused every other provider who posted in this long thread of gratuitously putting their name out there?

Give it a rest, you are just plain wrong. We're actually doing you a huge favor by pointing it out before it bites you in the ass, you ought to be thankful...

JoeM: No matter how you look at it; lets be honest ...you're offering something that doesn't exists, which is unlimited traffic/bandwidth. Just a way to make a customer think that he will get unlimited bandwidth, which he is actually never gonna receive.

In the long run, being honest and offering realistic numbers (2GB's, 5 GB's, etc.) is much more effective :)

Originally posted by JoeM
<< Hi. Your post is so funny. Stupidly funny, that is. Bye. >>

<< And if I offended you, good
Cauz I still don't give a ____
~ Eminem >>

REGARDING SPAM.

BLAH BLAH BLAH

======================================

NOTICE OF PENDING LEGAL ACTION:

BLAH BLAH _______ BLAH

Joseph Maas,
owner / founder paragon3
Very bluntly, this message would do.

SPAM AND DIE

Just to be sparkling clear - LinkSky has never sent out USM (spam) or any e-mail solicitations for that matter in any way, shape for form. I have never heard of this spammer you refer to in your post. And I am only responding because you begin your post talking about LinkSky Hosting. The only connection between the beginning and the end of your post in strictly in your own mind.
Excuse me, Joseph Maas, but are you honestly retarded? Seriously, did I say LinkSky is a spammer? Hell no. I SAID DMLOGIX.COM SPAMMED ME. Please, read my post carefully next time.

I see no point of you replying to my previous post. Besides, your reply doesn't make any sense at all. :D

LinkSky Hosting is a subsidery of Paragon3 that has been serving the advertising, high-tech, education and entertainment markets across North America since 1988.
It's subsidARY, Mr. poor English. That statement is worthless without at least five unique and successful examples of this company's work to back it up.

Another timeless sign of poor spelling and grammar.

Originally posted by JoeM
In brief - We do not allow sites that are in the business is distributing large amounts of data for download.
It's OF DISTRIBUTING. Otherwise, what the hell does that statement mean?

Every little subtlety counts toward your professional appearance. Right now, you don't look like one.

Sir, no offence, take a proper course of U.S. English, because you sound like a cocaine dealer to me. :D

If you let these people argue against me. Please do not censor my ever so civil responses to them.

Thank you.

Another question ...why do you write unlimited bandwidth on your main page, if then in the AUP you state For instance, we have one customer who regularly uses 14 GB to 35 GB of bandwidth per month because they manufacture an extremely popular product for the automotive industry. ?

Why not include a 14GB's bandwidth limit in the plan? :)

Originally posted by Kiwi
Another question ...why do you write unlimited bandwidth on your main page, if then in the AUP you state For instance, we have one customer who regularly uses 14 GB to 35 GB of bandwidth per month because they manufacture an extremely popular product for the automotive industry. ?

Why not include a 14GB's bandwidth limit in the plan? :)


When you ask, "Another question ...why do you write unlimited bandwidth on your main page..." I would ask you, who's main page are you looking at. Not our's because you will not find those two words together on any or our pages.

As to "Why not include a 14GB's bandwidth limit in the plan?"

Then obviously if we did it would have cut out a mutually beneficial relationship we currently have with the aforementioned hosting customer.

Thanks for your questions vB Code. I certainly consider you among the more thoughtful and constructive in this group.

Originally posted by Kiwi
JoeM: No matter how you look at it; lets be honest ...you're offering something that doesn't exists, which is unlimited traffic/bandwidth. Just a way to make a customer think that he will get unlimited bandwidth, which he is actually never gonna receive.

In the long run, being honest and offering realistic numbers (2GB's, 5 GB's, etc.) is much more effective :)


Okay, you got me, I give up, here it is the honest truth:

Everything we offer is real. What's more, everything we offer has been meticulously planed and thoroughly prepared. And we will stand behind EVERYTHING we say, to thereby meet and in most cases exceed our customer's expectations.

We are offering our customers the freedom of concern for unpredictable and indeed unlimited hosting costs.

There! You got your truth. Happy now?

Originally posted by PBoy



Sir, no offence, take a proper course of U.S. English, because you sound like a cocaine dealer to me. :D


I will not grace this stupidity with a response other than to ask the following:

Do you have any idea how seriously libelous a statement like this made in a public venue is?

Joe,

I have a large gaming site and forum for a new game that is just about to be released.

I am looking to combine both sites, the forum currently uses about 1.3GB/day transfer. I don`t know about the site, it is hosted ny the guy who owns it just now, and i host the forum.

Also, the forum is just about to rocket in traffic, due to the iminent release of the game on june 22nd.

I don`t want you to refer me to your AUP. I would like a straight answer on this forum if you woulod be willing to host my site. I cannot personally host it for anywhere near your price.

This is a genuine request, do not come back saying I wont respond to your mails etc. you can mail me at kiloh@ofpnetwork.com if you wish, but i would prefer a reponse on this forum.

The forum, is basically a forum, we moderate it as best we can. Neither the site nor forum has any adult/illegal content, the only thing i could see violating any of the things discussed here is that it has some screenshots, and a few mp3`s of the ingame music, because the guy who owns the main site is the musics creator for the game, and they are perfectly legal mp3`s.

If you are seriously offering this I will be very pleased. Please post back here to let me know.

P.S. you mentioned the poss. of having a ded for sponsorship? this would be ideal for this, and another project I am in the middle of developing.

I look forward to your reply:D

Originally posted by shpilkus
*sigh*

Trust me, there's no competition.

I think most people who have been members here far longer than you will attest that with your current business plan, one of 2 possible futures awaits you:

1) You stick to your guns, giving away lots of (non-free to you) bandwidth and hemmorage money. Eventually you either change the business model (pissing off all your clients) or go out of business at a huge loss

or

2) Like others before you, you earn a reuptation for offering one thing and doing another. Just wait till you boot your first customer for using too many resources or 'evaluating their usage on a case-by-case basis' and deciding they need a dedicated server costing piles more money. Just wait.

BTW, all of us hosts who post here are in competition, and I am not the only one yelling crap at you. And as we have been in the business of offering smaller web hosting accounts (in terms of space) at essentially the same price as you since 1998, is your concept of 'gradually scaling' host plans really new? Nope. And I don't claim to have invented it either, there were plenty before me.

How come you haven't accused every other provider who posted in this long thread of gratuitously putting their name out there?

Give it a rest, you are just plain wrong. We're actually doing you a huge favor by pointing it out before it bites you in the ass, you ought to be thankful...


Or how about a 3rd scenario. I spend all my time jousting with thoughtless windmills here in this forum to the degree that I can't get anything else done.

Or here's a 4th possibility. We become increasingly well known all over the world as one of the few customer friendly web hosts where LinkSky hosting customers don't have to worry about unpredictable and unlimited charges from their web host.

And yes, we could be wrong, or we could be very right, time will tell. So why don't YOU give it a rest and take a wait and see approach?

Originally posted by JoeM
Pulling data for browser viewing is one thing. The distribution of data, as in the download of executable shareward, etc. is quite another.

Again, you are splitting hairs in your silly attempts to prove a point. You KNOW damn well what we are referring to in our AUP. So does every one else with more than one hour of web surfing experience under their belts.

No, it is not splitting hairs at all, in fact. Don't try to blame me for your attempts to justify something that does not, and cannot, exist. You have prohibitions against software download sites, and that's fine. However, blanketing an AUP with something like "In brief - We do not allow sites that are in the business is distributing large amounts of data for download." negates the entire intent of the web, period. Every site out there is in the business of distributing large amounts of data. This site is, in fact, a prime example of that, which pulled close to 15G when we hosted it and is now tipping out at 25G.

The problem with people like you and claims like the ones you make is that you are targetting people who don't know the difference between what is reasonable and what is fantasy. All they see is more, and in their minds, that must be better. In reality, it's a lie, plain and simple, along with other egregious claims on your site.

You place limits on sites that utilize a great deal of bandwidth (moves, ads). Therefore, it cannot, by definition, be unlimited. Therefore, you are, by definition, lying.

I have more respect for people who offer incredibly large amounts of bandwidth that might as well be unlimited for people who sign up with them, even though I disagree with the principle that offering such at the lowest price possible is good business. They, at least, are honest. They, at least, understand that it is impossible to offer something that does not exist. I have zero respect for people like you who attack others when they attempt to point out that trying to rationalize your claims do not make them any more true. I also have zero respect for you because you are certainly NOT "oh so civil" to people who disagree with you that "unlimited" somehow exists.

I still find it ironic that you rail against hosts who charge what you feel to be excessive fees for transfer overages, and yet you take the entirely opposite tack and say that you put no limits on transfer when it is obvious that you do. In fact, if I were of a legal mind, I might actually term much of your site false advertising, if not an outright attempt to defraud. No matter how you try to justify it, you are doing a disservice to consumers by pretending to offer something that even by your own terms you do not offer.

I also find it amusing that everyone who disagrees with you must be doing so merely because they are a competitor and because it's implied that they're just miffed that they didn't think of this "wondrous" plan first. Reminds me of a couple of other hosts who rapidly found that their attitudes turned away more clients than their offerings could ever bring. If you're thinking about going elsewhere to reveal this grand plan, you might keep in mind that the whole "unlimited" thing has turned into one of the biggest AVOID THIS HOST signals there possibly can be. You'd do well to remember these things, and take advice from people who have been in the hosting business longer than you have.

Now, for that handy ignore feature that vB 2.0 so helpfully includes. Some people are simply not worth the energy, and since everyone knows "unlimited" transfer is a myth, all of us that know the truth will continue to rail against the types of claims you offer - and you will find yourself losing out in the end, because no matter what else you may offer, "unlimited" is simply untrue. I would recommend that anyone still trying to debate this issue with this guy simply allow him to wither on the vine, as all hosts who make this type of claim do, because they simply Do Not Get It - and such foolishness does not go unnoticed by people seeking hosting.

Damn, Annette - you are *definitely* One Who Gets It! Well put.

Originally posted by Annette

...Some people are simply not worth the energy, and since everyone knows "unlimited" transfer is a myth...

Annette, save your typing. Keep from waring down those fingerprints any further.

Your entire argument unravels if indeed Unlimited transfer is not a myth. This is is indeed one of the viable offerings at LinkSky Hosting that we support and stand squarely behind.

And if unlimited transfer were a just a myth, then why do you suppose so many in this thread have sprayed forth so much venom toward someone who would dare offer it? Must be real enough for them, and yourself for that matter, to be so seriously threatened by it.

Originally posted by JoeM



Or how about a 3rd scenario. I spend all my time jousting with thoughtless windmills here in this forum to the degree that I can't get anything else done.

Or here's a 4th possibility. We become increasingly well known all over the world as one of the few customer friendly web hosts where LinkSky hosting customers don't have to worry about unpredictable and unlimited charges from their web host.

And yes, we could be wrong, or we could be very right, time will tell. So why don't YOU give it a rest and take a wait and see approach?
Anyone want to place a bet as to which "thoughtless" windmills will still be in business next year?

And not to nitpick too much, but your premise about "unpredictable and unlimited charges from their web host" doesn't hold a lot of water. I will grant that there have been, and continue to be, hosts out there who don't make their overages clear and don't believe in good customer communication. But having a posted policy about bandwidth and implementing it is not a sin. After all, if you talk on your cell phone for 300 minutes over the plan limit, do you not expect a bill? Or if you have driven 15,000 miles over the allotted mileage on your leased car when you turn it in, do you not expect to pay a fee? Why should this be any different? Or are all cell phone providers and car dealers crooked too? Maybe you could lease me a Mercedes for 3 years with unlimited mileage while I leave an Internet connection open in the car on my unlimited cell phone. I'll drive around the country for months - oh wait, I'm not getting Unlimited Gas. Ouch.

I applaud you for your efforts toward satisfying your customers - I do believe you are sincere about that, and nothing wrong in offering diverse plans either. Good for you. But if you are *that* set in your ways, the outcome is only a matter of time. Don't delude yourself into thinking that all the attention paid to you in this thread is due to jealousy...these people have been there, seen that, and are in many cases genuinely trying to give the industry a better image. Your refusal to see the light and going out to offer your unlimited service will not help. The customers you burn or tick off will end up with just one more reason to be wary, bitter, and distrustful of the industry at large, and that hurts the other hosts out there. That's the real threat, not your competition or services.

A gaming site, or perfectly legal mp3s or not, you will simply need to read, understand and agree to our AUP and TOS before we can even consider your request. Sorry, it's just the way we, and nearly every other web host does business. Then after that, if you think you're site is anywhere within the range of compliance, we will discuss the matter further.

I can tell you this, at this time we are in a period of agressive pursut to increase market share. Therefore we will discuss nearly every possible deal that has even a remote chance of being mutual beneficial.

Thanks for your interest and I hope to talk with you very soon.



Originally posted by ezpzhosting
Joe,

I have a large gaming site and forum for a new game that is just about to be released.

I am looking to combine both sites, the forum currently uses about 1.3GB/day transfer. I don`t know about the site, it is hosted ny the guy who owns it just now, and i host the forum.

Also, the forum is just about to rocket in traffic, due to the iminent release of the game on june 22nd.

I don`t want you to refer me to your AUP. I would like a straight answer on this forum if you woulod be willing to host my site. I cannot personally host it for anywhere near your price.

This is a genuine request, do not come back saying I wont respond to your mails etc. you can mail me at kiloh@ofpnetwork.com if you wish, but i would prefer a reponse on this forum.

The forum, is basically a forum, we moderate it as best we can. Neither the site nor forum has any adult/illegal content, the only thing i could see violating any of the things discussed here is that it has some screenshots, and a few mp3`s of the ingame music, because the guy who owns the main site is the musics creator for the game, and they are perfectly legal mp3`s.

If you are seriously offering this I will be very pleased. Please post back here to let me know.

P.S. you mentioned the poss. of having a ded for sponsorship? this would be ideal for this, and another project I am in the middle of developing.

I look forward to your reply:D

I can't say with a pleasure it has been discussing this fun stuff with all of you.

I have submitted a second promotional post that is a clarification of our Unlimited Traffic offering. Once it does get posted, if the Mod approves it and all, perhaps you will be happier with that one.

Sorry to say, I must now get back to the real world of solving our customer's needs and building out our various web sites.

Again, thanks very much for your input, I have enjoyed every minute of it. Please do not hesitate to e-mail us, call us, and check in to our www.LinkSky.com site now and then to see how we're doing.

This is Joseph Maas of LinkSky Hosting, logging out, unsubscribing and signing off.

May fame and fortune smile upon you in all your endeavors. :cool:

Originally posted by JoeM

Huh? Truehosting? That the company of one of these harassers?


Truehosting, was one of those hosts that promised to provide a service that was not possible.


Tim, I think if you saw some of the email I have been getting you would say, "Oh yeah, well okay then."

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and

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Completely irrelevant to my point. I've made no snide remarks or challenges. I've honestly and (for the most part) casually and kindly pointed out the flaws with your claim and attitude. You can continue to ignore what I've said, or refuse to accept it as reality. It really doesn't matter. All you are doing to repute my statements, is to say "Yes, I can offer it!". This is not productive in a debate.


And when YOU say, "it's the fact that this wouldn't be happening if you weren't trying to pull this..."

Trying to "pull" what?

A con perhaps?


...Perhaps.


So Tim, you think that by default, offering unlimited bandwidth is a con? A fabrication? A lie?


Given the circumstances, realities and possibilities, yes. If you prefer to rephrase or reword your "unlimited" offer to reflect something more realistic and something that shows some decency and integrity, then my opinion might change completely or a little.


Geeeezzzzzuds!!!!!!!! My advise to you is to peal away those prejudicial stick-ons you've plastered over your specks and skoot up close to your monitor and read the following realllllll carefully:

"Psssst, we are not offering unlimited bandwidth for JanguarPC (hosting). We are offering it, in order to put our customer's minds at ease; To tell them here is at least one host where the door is not left open for unpredictable and indeed unlimited hosting charges."

Got that?

Actually, no, I did not "get that". That didn't make sense, nor was it very comprehensible. I'm not, and have never even hinted that I'm interested in your service, claims or to otherwise challenge them. I'm simply saying, that you are not going to be able to offer this, realistically, unless you meet one of the following requirements that I mentioned in my previous postings, which would negate the offer as being valid anyway. This isn't to offend you, but you coming in and acting like everyone's a "Nazi", because they know better, is a bit much.

What's next, Joe?

"How long can we maintain? I wondered. How long before one of us starts raving and jabbering at this boy? What will he think then? This same lonely desert was the last known home of the Manson family. Will he make that grim connection when my attorney starts screaming about huge bats and manta rays coming down on the car? If so -- well, we'll just have to cut his head off and bury him in somewhere. Because it goes without saying that we can't turn him loose. He'll report us at once to some outback nazi law enforcement agency, and they'll hunt us down like dogs." -- Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.

You may as well be more inventive and entertaining if you intend to continue this madness.

Originally posted by JoeM


No they don't. Aspects of our service can certainly be without limitation. We don't throw open the gates and say, "Come one come all yadda yadda yadda for your UNLIMITED EVERYTHING" as you are suggesting we are doing. We don't say, "Every thing we offer is UNLIMITED."

This may be big news to you, but there ARE shades of gray in the universe, there ARE various hues in the spectra.

Look, you can peruse the argument along philosopher's stone paths all you want. Indeed if you're good at it, and if you lack all kinds of horse sense, then you can put forth logical arguments that favor any scenario, no matter how absurd. For instance I can sit here and prove to you that every arrow launched toward a target, will never reach it. Why? Because the distance between the shooter and the target can be infinitely divided. Thus I have succeeded via logic to argue my way out of the real world. But hey, what's that. Oh holy cow, did I say "real". What is reality anyway?... And so we go, on and on and on.

Please read my more recent response to Tim at JaguarePC. Pay close attention to the last few paragraphs and you'll have your answer.

And do yourself a favor and go out and find some of that stuff they call horse sense. It'll do you a lot of good.

I fail to see why you continue to make mention of your more recent response to my post, as if it's profound or helps your argument. There was nothing of value there to this subject... at all. However, you've basically enlightened us to how your logic works and how you do indeed (and will continue to) argue in favor of the impossible, against all realistic aspects and logic. So, this just tells us that pointing things out, explaining or using any logic or common sense will just fly over your head at the speed of light. So be it, have fun. Apparently as long as you believe what you want to, saying things making them true when they aren't is all you need, then by all means, go nuts.

Originally posted by JoeM
Do you have any idea how seriously libelous a statement like this made in a public venue is?
I have heard that statement before. I have read it in Wired. I have seen it on national newspapers.

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By the way, the statement I made earlier is a joke. Notice the big grin at the end of that sentence. Too bad you couldn't recognize it and thought I'm giving you a bad name. :rolleyes:

We become increasingly well known all over the world as one of the few customer friendly web hosts where LinkSky hosting customers don't have to worry about unpredictable and unlimited charges from their web host.
It's the same story from any web host in the world. The problem is, unlimited charges are unpredictable. Free and limitless data transfer cannot last forever. No numbers and simply unlimited all over the place? Get out of this town. :D

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Originally posted by JoeM
Do you have any idea how seriously libelous a statement like this made in a public venue is?
The smart businessperson would not ask this question in return. Instead, he / she would counter the joke with another.

You remind me of the predominantly businessmen threatening lowly locals with lawsuits for jokingly giving them bad names. :rolleyes:

Well because of a slower day today, I had enough time to waste the 20 minutes of my life and read this.

After reading this all, it was interesting to see so many slam Unlimited Transfer and for one person to stand by it.

Now to be honest I wish you the best of luck with your business Joe, I am also a Joe, and as a owner I wish you well. I can really careless about what was said, but I want you to understand that there is not a OC-Unlimited Backbone. They havent made one yet, and by the laws of physics it doesnt seem like its happening anytime soon...

I think overall thats good you take care of your customers and its good that you are building your business.

Overall I dont care what your TOU, and AUP say, those are just restrictions and legal jargan.

A myth of Unlimited Bandwith goes similiar to Unlimited Space, meaning you are taking a gamble. Now I know you dont offer unlimited Space, but last time I checked they dont make Unlimited Hard Drive Space, as they also dont make Unlimited Backbones. We are aware of this method, but you are banking on the fact that not one user will pull a ton of transfer. I imagine this is also why you dont sign up everyone, who signs up

Overall I think you will do good and wish you well, but you are fighting against something that is no possible.

UNLIMITED BANDWIDTH IS NOT POSSIBLE,

I wish you the best, felt that after loosing 20 minutes of my life, I had to say something

Joe

Originally posted by JoeM
A gaming site, or perfectly legal mp3s or not, you will simply need to read, understand and agree to our AUP and TOS before we can even consider your request. Sorry, it's just the way we, and nearly every other web host does business. Then after that, if you think you're site is anywhere within the range of compliance, we will discuss the matter further.



Why not give a straight answer to the question: For a gaming site with all legal stuffs, using 1.5gb/day, may consume more than 3gb later when the site gets more and more popular, are you going to host it or not?


Sorry, it's just the way we, and nearly every other web host does business.

You are wrong. The other hosts do this:
When you sign up an account, you agree with the TOS. If you violate it, you got shut down.
When you sign up the account, you know how much bandwidth is included, so when they more than that, they pay more, accoording to the plan.
This is not the way you do business. So, I would like to say "nearly no other hosts do this".

By the way, you have a bery bad attitude. When people spend their time writing long advices, you asked them to save their typing?:angry: :angry: :angry:

I have never seen a stupid person like you.

I just assume you have never heard of Yahoo!, which is a non-adult site that consumes much more than 5 gb per day.


To JBIZ718,

I spent more than two hours on this threads. What a waste of time with this guy/gal/other.

This is my last post on this one since I don't want to waste more time.


ebird

Joe you really summed it up! :)
Originally posted by JBIZ718
Well because of a slower day today, I had enough time to waste the 20 minutes of my life and read this.

After reading this all, it was interesting to see so many slam Unlimited Transfer and for one person to stand by it.

Now to be honest I wish you the best of luck with your business Joe, I am also a Joe, and as a owner I wish you well. I can really careless about what was said, but I want you to understand that there is not a OC-Unlimited Backbone. They havent made one yet, and by the laws of physics it doesnt seem like its happening anytime soon...

I think overall thats good you take care of your customers and its good that you are building your business.

Overall I dont care what your TOU, and AUP say, those are just restrictions and legal jargan.

A myth of Unlimited Bandwith goes similiar to Unlimited Space, meaning you are taking a gamble. Now I know you dont offer unlimited Space, but last time I checked they dont make Unlimited Hard Drive Space, as they also dont make Unlimited Backbones. We are aware of this method, but you are banking on the fact that not one user will pull a ton of transfer. I imagine this is also why you dont sign up everyone, who signs up

Overall I think you will do good and wish you well, but you are fighting against something that is no possible.

UNLIMITED BANDWIDTH IS NOT POSSIBLE,

I wish you the best, felt that after loosing 20 minutes of my life, I had to say something

Joe