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Lacey
06-15-2001, 03:02 PM
Dot-Com Bust Creating More Homeless
By KAREN A. DAVIS, Associated Press Writer

SAN JOSE, Calif. (AP) - Mike Schlenz, who recently installed computer networks for a living, had been sleeping in his Honda Civic for three months before he went to a homeless shelter.

John Sacrosante, who earned more than $100,000 a year as a free-lance database engineer, spent his 39th birthday last week with the ``brothers'' he met at the church shelter where he has been living.

Both are casualties of the dot-com bust in Silicon Valley, where a surprising number of former high-tech workers are rubbing elbows with society's castaways - the mentally ill, drug addicts and other hard-luck cases - in homeless shelters.

``We're all equal here,'' Sacrosante said. ``When you're used to making six figures and working in a dynamic and exciting environment and all of a sudden it goes away, you do have a nice little world of depression going on.''

Nearly 30 unemployed tech workers are among the 100 men at the Montgomery Street Inn and other shelters in San Jose run by InnVision, said Robbie Reinhart, director of the nonprofit organization.

``They're not what we used to call hobos on the street. Most have college degrees,'' she said.

Dot-com failures sent San Francisco's unemployment rate up to 4.2 percent in May from a rock-bottom 2.6 percent a year ago - with 18,000 people added, according to a state report.

In Santa Clara County, the heart of Silicon Valley, layoffs in electronic equipment manufacturing and business services rose for the fifth straight month, contributing to a 3.2 percent unemployment rate in May.

Reinhart said most of the tech workers she sees have had their contracts canceled or been laid off from start-ups and other smaller technology companies. Other shelter residents still have jobs but don't make enough to afford the high price of living alone in the valley, she said.

Top consultants and contractors once named their salaries in the valley. Now, even those who qualify for unemployment benefits soon discover the $40 to $230 weekly check will not cover an apartment here, where rent averages around $1,800 a month.

Suicide and crisis hot line operators in San Francisco and Santa Clara counties report that job-related calls nearly doubled from October to April. Many callers complained of lost jobs or feared they would soon be out of work.

``There have always been layoffs and economic downturns, but what makes this unusual is that people in the valley have become appendages of their jobs and their workplace. They've worked up to 110 hours per week and slept on the conference room floor,'' said Ilene Philipson, a clinical psychologist at the Center for Working Families at the University of California at Berkeley. ``People have given up all sorts of things to give to their job, and when there's a layoff there's no other support for them.''

Schlenz, 35, a Bay Area native with a degree in environmental chemistry, made as much as $60,000 a year as a free-lance contractor, installing Unix (news - web sites) networks, configuring routers and working in desktop support for small companies. Then his jobs disappeared.

``I'd been to all the job fairs. I'd followed up on all the resumes,'' he said. ``Some of the larger companies approached me several times, but then kept leading me on for months. Departments were downsized and outsourced. Recruiters just stopped returning messages.''

Schlenz still has some stock, but the value has dropped.

``I cashed in half my stocks to eat. I couldn't even afford gas anymore,'' he said. He gave up his apartment after running out of cash, and ``car-camped'' behind a bookstore. He showered at a gym where his membership was good through May.

Someone told him he could get a meal at the Montgomery Street Inn, where he now stays. He volunteers in the shelter's computer lab, teaching residents how to use computers.

The Inn has the same policy for all its residents - stay free for a month, then pay $45 a week, whether they have a job or not.

Sacrosante was laid off shortly after moving from San Jose to Phoenix to work on what was supposed to be a six-month project. He came back to San Jose three weeks ago with the promise of being hired by one of two Santa Clara-based technical training companies. The offers fell through.

There's an only-in-Silicon Valley twist to his story: Sacrosante and three other former high-tech workers who met at the shelter are launching a start-up business that will resell wearable mobile computing systems.

Sacrosante said he will use some of the funding he secured for the venture to rent a house.

Schlenz is still waiting for his lucky break.

He said he has applied for an entry-level position, something for which he is overqualified, at Oracle Corp. (NasdaqNM:ORCL - news) He hasn't told his mother in Arkansas about his situation.

``She'd worry,'' he said. But he said he now has more of what it takes to make it when a top company hires him: ``After this experience, I feel I have more determination than other people.''

XTStrike
06-15-2001, 03:18 PM
and indeed it was a little obvious that people would exploit the new max message length limit.

Is there a possibility things like this could be a URL in future, i mean if its a Yahoo story then sure yahoo have a URL to allow you to link it ??

Ive not read the story and i probably will later, but just as a suggestion try a hyperlink next time, afterall, isnt that what they were invented for ? :rolleyes: :cool:

EDIT:

ok, now ive read the story :) - its interesting, a view of how companies need to diversify in order to stay alive in the online world, so many places are failing simply because they didnt judge the merket well enough, my parents asked me why i had not started my own company and made millions, i replied, "because its hit and miss success" its boom and bust...

im happy where i am, a nice stable job, the directors judged the market well and the company im at now is doing well, i suppose you could say im lucky, but its just how the company is run and if you offer products people want in the end...

Lacey
06-15-2001, 03:35 PM
I see this place has changed since I was a moderator here, I will refrain from going over the limit again:eek: :eek:

Annette
06-15-2001, 03:41 PM
Did none of these people bank any of their earnings instead of blowing it on some of the more typical trappings that nouveau-rich dotcommers tended to snap up? The thing that irritates me about stories like this is that it makes it seem these people are incapable of anything else but dot-com work, even when it's obvious they're desperate for a job - any job. What's worse is that they were earning some pretty serious money, but apparently were unable to apply any sort of financial management to their lives.

Planet Z
06-15-2001, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by Annette
Did none of these people bank any of their earnings instead of blowing it on some of the more typical trappings that nouveau-rich dotcommers tended to snap up? The thing that irritates me about stories like this is that it makes it seem these people are incapable of anything else but dot-com work, even when it's obvious they're desperate for a job - any job. What's worse is that they were earning some pretty serious money, but apparently were unable to apply any sort of financial management to their lives.

Doubt it. Remember, the companies they were working for advocated free spending. The whole problem with most of the dot-com companies that have/are going bust is that they weren't projecting a profit until 2020! The idea was to keep spending VC money like crazy and eventually turn a profit using their great ideas. But when the VC money dried out, they were left deep in the red with no hope of making any money anytime soon. Thus, bleeding dot-com go boom.

Spend now, worry about fiscal responsibility later.

Duster
06-15-2001, 04:44 PM
I've got little or no sympathy for those people. They could have exercised some sense and saved some money. As far as rents being high, for years people have gotten roommates to help in similar situations. That report was a much on stupidity as anything else.

Honu
06-15-2001, 05:00 PM
well
dial nine wine wine
I say to em
so sad
I am sure we have all lost good money one way or time in the last few years with down sizing of the .com bang
I say it is like the thinning out of the desktop publishers that boomed when the MAC came out

best that it get thinned out now and those that survive will be stronger and should make it

at least they had it for a bit
better than most people in the world


as Annette said they could not manage there lives
If they made that much money why didn't they save most of it.

later

XTStrike
06-15-2001, 05:01 PM
Hi, Lacey - you probably dont know me, lol
Maybe a little harsh on the URL message, ;)

the text was a little overwhelpming when i first saw it, my first reaction was OH MY GOD - mean i am one of the gullible people who sits here and reads almost every post that comes throug the board for quality control :-) :eek: :rolleyes:

It is an interesting post though.

nox
06-16-2001, 03:52 AM
Originally posted by Duster
I've got little or no sympathy for those people. They could have exercised some sense and saved some money. As far as rents being high, for years people have gotten roommates to help in similar situations. That report was a much on stupidity as anything else.


LOL... Maybe they are smarter than you think.. what better way to advertise your talents to a market that says it's starved for IT trained people...

While I would be hesitant to hire someone who went straight from a $100,000 a year job to skid row, I doubt I'd believe it 100% either, maybe a bit of showmanship here...


And I don't mind if these things are summarised as opposed to a URL being provided, you can always skip it.. so new moderators should separate 'quality control' from their own impatience... :D


Cheers...

thewitt
06-17-2001, 10:47 AM
Anyone who goes from $100k a year job to homeless is a moron in my book and does not have enough common sense to work for me. Sorry.

"Hire for character and train for skills."

-t

Lonny
06-18-2001, 03:37 AM
probably a bunch of 14 year olds :)

Dogma
06-18-2001, 11:17 AM
lol!! Its hard to feel bad for them, when they had so much money before, but we also have to remember the culture. Back then (in my day) ppl thought that they could just keep on getting money and not have to make a profit till 2020 or something like that and until then money would just grow on trees!! It was a really dangerous enviroment, but come on, a little fiscal responsbility could have kept them from being homeless.