Originally posted by FlashTechnics:
What happened to these guys? i try send them mail it bounces. I do a dns check on them there dns points at dead dns or at least it did. they closed up shop already ?.



Hello,

Apparently the free spirits at network solutions have decided to change our DNS info on us without letting us no. The problem has already been resolved and the nameservers are back to where they belong. None of our customers sites have been affected by this, and our site should be up later today or tomorrow morning. Just another reason not to do business with NSI.

-Brendan Brader
support@hostrocket.com

Sorry about my last post's misspellings... also the problem appears to have been with opensrs, not NSI as I posted. In either case it has been fixed. You can reach support through the AIM name "rocketsupport"

-Brendan
support@hostrocket.com

What happened to these guys? i try send them mail it bounces. I do a dns check on them there dns points at dead dns or at least it did. they closed up shop already ?.

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Kind Regards
Edward Dalladay
Email - eddie@kchat.org or DjSy99@netscape.net
Web Address - http://www.kchat.org or http://www.flashtechnics.com

I am hosted by hostrocket.com and everything is fine with my site. I haven't seen it down or heard anybody tell me that it has been down.

My site hasnt been down either but just wanted to know what was going on :). and my mail kept returning. Oh and is there any other way i can get in contact with you cos i can't use aim on my network ?


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Kind Regards
Edward Dalladay
Email - eddie@kchat.org or DjSy99@netscape.net
Web Address - http://www.kchat.org or http://www.flashtechnics.com

[This message has been edited by FlashTechnics (edited 08-07-2000).]

Hi,

You can reach us through humanclick through this website:
http://64.176.69.121/main.html

-Brendan
support@hostrocket.com

Always got an excuse eh? yeesh!

I don't get why you always have to bag on hostrocket.com

This doesn't relate to anything they may have done to you or anyone else.

Is it jealousy or something? Did you even have to make that comment. I think not and I'd like to know.

Yeesh I am merely making observations, and even though keeping one's mouth shut might be a good idea, I just absolutely despise incompetency, as I happened to have worked under a few very incompetent supervisors over the years when I was working as a systems engineer for other companies until starting what is now ThinkHost :)

Sincerely,


Vladislav Davidzon <davidzon@thinkhost.com> :-)
Senior Network Administrator - ThinkHost Web Hosting Services
http://www.thinkhost.com - honesty, reliability, trust.
We are the smart choice for all your web hosting needs! (TM)


[This message has been edited by thinkhost (edited 08-07-2000).]

What are you on about? It's not incompetency on the part of hostrocket if NSI (or some other party) altered the nameserver information on the domain record - it's just another issue that has to be dealt with.

Dealing with incompetent cow-orkers and users is a side effect of being in the IT field, as many of us are/have been, and really isn't relevant to anything.

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Annette
Hosting Matters, Inc.
http://www.hostmatters.com

Originally posted by thinkhost:
Yeesh I am merely making observations, and even though keeping one's mouth shut might be a good idea, I just absolutely despise incompetency, as I happened to have worked under a few very incompetent supervisors over the years when I was working as a systems engineer for other companies until starting what is now ThinkHost :)

[This message has been edited by thinkhost (edited 08-07-2000).]
What exactly is the point of your post other than to make yourself look like a complete jerk? "what is now Thinkhost". Give me a break!



[This message has been edited by lookin' for a host (edited 08-07-2000).]

What? Sarcasm no longer allowed? I won't hide the fact that I dislike incompetent systems administrators who take every chance possible to take a stab at my company's reputation, resort to posting multiple recommendations under different names, have absolutely zero clue about PGP security, use OpenSSL software which is currently illegal within North America, among other things. If I dislike someone, I tend to be pretty open about it to their face (or in their face as the case sometimes is).

Lighten up people, yeesh! :-) Sarcasm can be an amazing thing!


[This message has been edited by thinkhost (edited 08-07-2000).]

Smilies don't cut it when all you're doing is trying to chop someone off at the knees when they don't deserve that type of treatment. It's the sort of thing that reflects poorly on the poster.

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Annette
Hosting Matters, Inc.
http://www.hostmatters.com

Annette,

I've dealt with the company in question enough to know that they deserve it -- I wouldn't be so much against them if they didn't.

When I privately go out to someone to tell them that they have problems with their server only to be told to mind my own business, that just screams idiocracy to me. :)

And just saw your edited post, which I am going to quote below, since it sums things up quite well:

"What? Sarcasm no longer allowed? I won't hide the fact that I dislike incompetent systems administrators who take every chance possible to take a stab at my company's reputation, resort to posting multiple recommendations under different names, have absolutely zero clue about PGP security, use OpenSSL software which is currently illegal within North America, among other things. If I dislike someone, I tend to be pretty open about it to their face (or in their face as the case sometimes is).
Lighten up people, yeesh! :-) Sarcasm can be an amazing thing!"

At exactly what point in this thread did the issue become about you? Where is the "stab" at your company's reputation? Whether or not you think they "deserve" it is beside the point, and is certainly not something that should have been thrown into this thread, in or out of context. This type of arrogance is both annoying and nauseating.

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Annette
Hosting Matters, Inc.
http://www.hostmatters.com

[This message has been edited by Annette (edited 08-07-2000).]

Cheer up Annette! This thread isn't about you either, so don't worry about it! :)

No arrogance whatsoever actually :) Cheer up and stop taking things so personally.

Originally posted by thinkhost:
What? Sarcasm no longer allowed?

Lighten up people, yeesh! :-)

Sarcasm? Lets see, something happens to a host, he comes on the board and politely and professionally explains the problem and assures everyone that their sites are ok.

You come on the board and attack the host, tell everyone how imcompetent you think he is and then tell us about your previous jobs. Do you think that your previous jobs and what you thought of your previous supervisors has anything to do with this other host or their customers? Do you think his current customers give a #$@*! about your previous jobs or what you thought about your previous supervisors?

Originally posted by thinkhost:
Cheer up Annette! This thread isn't about you either, so don't worry about it! :)

No arrogance whatsoever actually :) Cheer up and stop taking things so personally.

It's quite apparent to me (and to a couple of others) that you are simply not getting it at all. Fortunately, this gives a certain illumination into your personality and the way you seem to think an ethical business should be run.

No smilies. And no further response from me, particularly if you engage in your typical "another host taking a host at me and my business" type posts when everyone can see that it isn't so, or your "we're so much better than everybody else" stuff.

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Annette
Hosting Matters, Inc.
http://www.hostmatters.com

[This message has been edited by Annette (edited 08-07-2000).]

Annette,

Keeping a huge smile on my face is a part of the way I run my firm. If you don't like it, I can understand you two hundred percent -- if another web host came up that was better with us that we couldn't compete with, I'd be pretty frustrated. However, until that happens, you'll need to get tough and compete rather than flaming us. :)

As I said in another post since I find it needed to post here as well, what makes youre service better other than you saying so? Your higher prices? Maybe your decision to do non IP based web hosting to save money at the expense of your customers? Or the lack of real time support that these other hosts both offer?

See my reply in the other thread -- why would I bother reposting twice for a competitor? :)

Hey ThinkHost, I started this post for help not for you to turn it into another petty flame war. If anything i'd say you made yourself and your company look bad and hostrocket look good as you have come here slating a company and they have not at least in this thread responded. I was actually thinking about using your company to host a education website but i just crossed your name off the list keep it up and you'll turn out like davey boy :).



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Kind Regards
Edward Dalladay
Email - eddie@kchat.org or DjSy99@netscape.net
Web Address - http://www.kchat.org or http://www.flashtechnics.com

Im not a host just a person with a domain I have read a number of post where one host is rude to another as a client that would make me concerned how they would treat me. To *any* hosts that are rude to any other host please think of how that looks to someone who is considering using your services

One thing is clear for me now.
I would never host in "what is now Think Host"
I would feel afraid just making a tech support call if they could treat me like this.
I need some friendly host to move my site (which is actually hosted in Half Price Hosting)

Actually: Does anyone recommend me a host?
NT - ASP(Or Unix with CilliASP) - DSN - Less than 40/month - at least 90MB - Possibility to upgrade to SQL plan or option.

(Not for owners, just users please)

Thank you

(sorry for the spell, I'm spanish speaker)

Originally posted by Esolutions:
One thing is clear for me now.
I would never host in "what is now Think Host"
I would feel afraid just making a tech support call if they could treat me like this.
I need some friendly host to move my site (which is actually hosted in Half Price Hosting)

Actually: Does anyone recommend me a host?
NT - ASP(Or Unix with CilliASP) - DSN - Less than 40/month - at least 90MB - Possibility to upgrade to SQL plan or option.

(Not for owners, just users please)

Thank you

(sorry for the spell, I'm spanish speaker)
Hi..Im just a user :) I dont know all of the things you asked about but a really good friendly host is http://www.veoweb.net they are great..they also make coustom plans if non fit your needs good luck! :)

If anyone here uses hostrocket.com, please list your url's so I can test the response of the servers. I've got them on my shortlist and still deciding

http://www.flashtechnics.com

Here is a short list of sites:
http://www.echodev.com http://www.echowebhq.com http://www.babcockbooks.com http://www.sawtoothbooks.com http://www.missyreeves.com

If you need more let me know : )

-Brendan
support@hostrocket.com

As Brendan has already mentioned, we host 4 out of 5 of our sites on their server:

EchoDev.com
EchoWebHQ.com
WebDevExchange.com
EchoJump.com

As for ThinkHost, I think that you are completely wrong about HostRocket... sure, they had some problems at first when they were starting up, but the past 2-3 months has been flawless for me.

I haven't experienced 1 single! downtime in the past 2 months and their support is always there on AIM or HumanClick.

I admit, that I haven't had any experience with your services but judging by your prices and by your attitude, I doubt that it will ever happen at all...

And instead of flaming every post made by another host that does not concern you or your services, I suggest you work on improving your own host (and your attitude toward others) because no matter how good you think you are, there are plenty of mistakes and errors that are waiting to be discovered...

Boris

Uhmmm... I think we'd better leave that topic alone, not only because we've covered that discussion in detail, but we have zilch interest in starting yet another flaming thread. We can draw our own conclusions and leave it at that.

Good evening!

As for ThinkHost, I think that you are completely wrong about HostRocket... sure, they had some problems at first when they were starting up, but the past 2-3 months has been flawless for me.

Yep, I would have to agree that HR is definitely getting their stuff together. Moving to Alabanza was a definitely smart thing to do.

haven't experienced 1 single! downtime in the past 2 months and their support is always there on AIM or HumanClick.


Well I'd credit that to Alabanza more than HR, since its Alabanza that handles the server stuff, but yeap.

I admit, that I haven't had any experience with your services but judging by your prices and by your attitude, I doubt that it will ever happen at all...

And instead of flaming every post made by another host that does not concern you or your services, I suggest you work on improving your own host (and your attitude toward others) because no matter how good you think you are, there are plenty of mistakes and errors that are waiting to be discovered...

Folks, we're not the best company out there, and I very well know that. However, I do tend to take a sarcastic attitude towards competitors-whom-i-consider-to-be-without-a-clue, and I apologize if you don't like that.

I will be the first to admit that when I do not like someone, I will be in their face about it -- merely because I find that to be a true way of a gentleman. I don't hide behind people's backs and talk bad about them, nor will you ever see me writing a complaint on a co-worker -- it just doesn't happen. If I have a problem with someone, I will be in their face about it, it is that simple -- if I don't like you, you will know about it right upfront. I don't play games with people, I don't do politics, and frankly if thats what you consider immoral, then I am sorry, our definitions of morality and character are quite different.

I dislike 85% of our competitors, and will tend to take a very sarcastic attitude towards them, especially after they get offended when I offer to help them with their clearly problematic solutions. I will never work with alabanza because my team has the skills necessary to run a server properly. HR (at least in my experience by talking with Brandon) had no idea that sending sensitive info unencrypted via e-mail is inherently insecure -- when a systems admin gives me that response, I tend to take a very sarcastic attitude towards them. However, I had no right to take that response publically, that was rude and out of place.

Obviously like I said, Alabanza is the perfect solution for HR as now HR has nothing to worry about but supporting their clients. My reaction to HR here was a little off, and I should never have posted here, merely out of respect for them as human beings (far less than a host of course). HR is set to be a great host long-term, because they no longer have to manage their servers, and alabanza will take care of that, and therefor all they have to do is take care of support, which from what I hear they do wonderfully.

Per your comment about improving our services, once again I must insist that whatever feeling you got that we're perfect from me, I know we're not. We currently lack support for any built-in e-commerce services, our control panel is still in development, and frankly we still quite a ways to go before we can even claim to be the best. Are we good? Yes, I think we are, and I think all of our clients will agree -- but that "good" comes purely out of care for our clients. But good can be defined on very many levels, and I can guarantee you that we're not the perfect solution for every problem.

As I posted on another forum, at the end of the day folks, we're all people -- for good or bad, in sickness or in health. We might be black, white, jewish, christian, male, female, french, english, russian, zimbabwian, american, or have other differences like sexual orientation, but at the end of the day, we're all just people folks, and lets not lose sight of that fact. I am not by any means perfect, nor will I ever claim to be, however do I strive to build the best company I possibly can? You bet. Whether or not we're succeeding is up to our clients to decide.

I do sincerely apologize to Brandon (HR) for taking my thoughts and dislike for him publically -- that was out of place, and very much against my values of being a gentelman or my strive for being a better person. Sometimes, it is far too easy to get a little carried away and I am afraid that is the trap that I fell into here.

We're all people folks, never lose sight of that. No one is perfect. HR is working towards becoming a better host, and I wish Brandon the best of luck with that, and do apologize for my sarcastic attitude towards him and his firm

Sincerely,


Vladislav Davidzon <davidzon@thinkhost.com> :-)
Senior Network Administrator - ThinkHost Web Hosting Services
http://www.thinkhost.com - honesty, reliability, trust.
We are the smart choice for all your web hosting needs! (TM)





[This message has been edited by thinkhost (edited 08-12-2000).]

While I agree that taking a more even keel towards others is something that should be attained, I do take exception to your designation of Alabanza as a place for people who do not know what they are doing or who cannot "properly manage" a server (or that Alabanza completely manages servers they lease, which has not been my experience, given the things that we've done ourselves). You and I have discussed at length several times this entire issue of small slams at other people whom you feel are in competition with you (as if somehow there is a limited pool of people out there who want to get on the web). Commenting on others' services without experience, or without pointing to the experiences of others is bad practice in general, as is publicly saying that you've attempted to "help" without being asked. Please don't engage in this.

All of us (including you) who are concerned about the image that the hosting business receives from the general public should be aware of how our public voices sound when participating in forums like this. And all of us (including you) have a peculiar type of responsibility to one another, as the attitude of one host will reflect on all others in the public eye.

BTW, Host Rocket's proprietor's name is Brendan, not Brandon. And please bear in mind that this is neither a flame nor anything else than what it appears: an observation on public activity.

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Annette
Hosting Matters, Inc.
http://www.hostmatters.com



[This message has been edited by Annette (edited 08-12-2000).]

While I agree that taking a more even keel towards others is something that should be attained, I do take exception to your designation of Alabanza as a place for people who do not know what they are doing or who cannot "properly manage" a server

Annette,

I never said that just because you use alabanza you don't have control over making your own changes, all I said is that they do let you have a hand-off way of dealing with things if you don't know how to do stuff, which I consider to be perfect for some hosts.

Sincerely,


Vladislav Davidzon <davidzon@thinkhost.com> :-)
Senior Network Administrator - ThinkHost Web Hosting Services
http://www.thinkhost.com - honesty, reliability, trust.
We are the smart choice for all your web hosting needs! (TM)

You and I are in perfect agreement there. There are quite a few people who get into this because it seems so "easy" (and granted, some companies like Alabanza make it incredibly easy) - do you know that we even had someone ask us via Human Click if we thought it was a business to get into - as a hobby? He actually said, "I'm looking for a new hobby. And I've been thinking about hosting. What do you think of web hosting as a hobby?" We told him that if he was looking for a hobby that he should probably look elsewhere. :)

hehe
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Annette
Hosting Matters, Inc.
http://www.hostmatters.com

[This message has been edited by Annette (edited 08-12-2000).]

Why are you set on ASP?

I have coded the whole of Host Investigator in ASP and I'm now learning PHP and brushing up my Perl skills. I gotta say that PHP is so much better and so is Perl once you get used to the syntax. Not to mention that Unix hosts are much cheaper, faster and reliable. I will soon be converting.

Who is, Admin? ;)

It's more partly based on supply/demand. I know over in the US there's a growing ground-swell for PHP developers.

Over here in Australia however, the vast majority of web dev work is still in ASP/SQL server (shows you how far behind we are). PHP is only just *now* starting to make headway.

Wrong Thread.

My last post was intended for a different thread, have to look that one up, sorry for the confusion. I noticed that too, ASP/SQL seem to hog the majority of the job vacanies in this industry, Perl has relatively the same share as always, but PHP seems to making some gain (there are a least PHP specific jobs now).