Is there any updates on BillAdmin and if it will ever come back online to user not hosting with Site5.com?

Last thing i saw was something about Ver. 2 of BillAdmin but this was a few months ago now...

Just want to find out be for i shell out some money for a custom script since i have found any as close to BillAdmin yet that works with CPanel.

Looked at WHN but looks like a $100 script to me not $900 just does not cute for it me.. Just missing a lot and the layout desing i don't like to much. Sorry WHN BillAdmin was the best IMO and still would be if i could get it and alsobe able to resell for them..

Matt Please give me some kind of Update i am dieing to get with you for BillAdmin and also Resell BillAdmin for you.. I am trying to give you money not take it.. :D

Not tring to diss WHN just IMO BillAdmin RULES..

Hi Brad,

Thanks for the compliments on BillAdmin! :)

Please email me at mlightner@site5.com and I can give you details about BillAdmin pricing as well as the status of the program.

Look forward to hearing from you!

Best Regards,
Matt Lightner
mlightner@site5.com

You got mail...

Thanks for getting back to me.. I can't wait to hear more info on 2.0 or if i can get in on 1.0 i don't care.. :)

BillAdmin looks to be pretty cool; and it is.

Never been able to use it in a real life situation though.

Originally posted by Vortech

Looked at WHN but looks like a $100 script to me not $900 just does not cute for it me.. Not tring to diss WHN just IMO BillAdmin RULES..

I just had to laugh at this, of course you are entitled to your own opinion..I didnt know icons were a big part of your life :rolleyes:

$100? Go ahead and go with BillAdmin and pay $50 a month for software you will never own nor have full control over...just my opinion...or pay upwards of $5,000 for a custom billing solution. WHN doesnt work for everyone and neither does BillAdmin...neither does Rodophi...etc..etc...etc..WHNBilling will not work for every company out there...either will BillAdmin, but thats why companies create such software, because in the web hosting billing business, you looking at paying for **** or paying for gold. Take your pick.

BillAdmin would be a great choice only if they offered it as a package and not a service. I was purswaded at one point to go with them when i was very desperate. But decided against it, I myself, would never trust any company no matter who they are to house my customers credit card and customer information, specially if they are in the same business i am

Here we go again... weren't you the one who was getting offended because you thought I implied that BillAdmin was better than WHN billing, Gary? It seems that you're doing the exact same thing here... :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Superman
I just had to laugh at this, of course you are entitled to your own opinion..I didnt know icons were a big part of your life

Icons aren't part of BillAdmin... there were icons in a screenshot that I released of the 2.0 default skin, but that has yet to be completed. Furthermore, I don't see what's so funny about him preferring a program due to the fact that is has a different type of interface. If functionality is all that matters, then why does everyone spend so much time perfecting their Cpanel skins?

$100? Go ahead and go with BillAdmin and pay $50 a month for software you will never own nor have full control over

What's so unusual about this? There are hundreds of people paying $50 or $100/month for Cpanel and related products.

WHN doesnt work for everyone and neither does BillAdmin...

Although everyone who has ever used BillAdmin absolutely loves it... you make the call.

neither does Rodophi...etc..etc...etc..WHNBilling will not work for every company out there...either will BillAdmin, but thats why companies create such software, because in the web hosting billing business, you looking at paying for **** or paying for gold. Take your pick.

It would seem that after researching both products, he has chosen BillAdmin over WHN Billing... so why are you chastising him for that choice? Obviously WHN Billing doesn't work for him, so you should simply trust that he is making the right choice for his business, rather than trying to convince him that he has made a grave mistake.

BillAdmin would be a great choice only if they offered it as a package and not a service.

Of course. I'm sure there are many companies who would love to pay a one-time fee for Cpanel or Ensim or whatnot. Unfortunately that's just not how the companies have chosen to structure their pricing. If you would rather sell WHN billing outright, that's your call - but doesn't mean that any other payment method is unacceptable. To a company with even a handful of customers on a server, $50/month is a small price to pay for fully automated billing.

I was purswaded at one point to go with them when i was very desperate. But decided against it, I myself, would never trust any company no matter who they are to house my customers credit card and customer information, specially if they are in the same business i am
Well, like it or not - your gateway provider stores all of your transactions (including customer information and credit card numbers) in a database. We would never ever tamper with our customers' data. We're not out to get sued here - just to provide a quality service, which we have been doing quite well.

Obviously you are uncomfortable with another hosting company storing your customer data on their secure servers, so you went ahead and wrote your own program. That's fine, however it would seem that not all companies share your widespread distrust of the hosting industry, and for those companies, BillAdmin or similar hosted billing programs (the up-and-coming Ubersmith, for example) are viable options.

Best Regards,
Matt Lightner
mlightner@site5.com

Matt

As you can see from my post, I further clarified my position and clearly stated that even if he feels our program is not worth the $600, not to chastise us for making a program that goes along the lines of simplicity and reliability.

As you can see from my posts and any in the past, I have never EVER stated WHNBilling is better then BillAdmin, that's why I added the fact that I even considered using BillAdmin at one point but decided against it because I would never own the software, which is the only negative problem with software

Originally posted by Superman
Matt

As you can see from my post, I further clarified my position and clearly stated that even if he feels our program is not worth the $600, not to chastise us for making a program that goes along the lines of simplicity and reliability.

I see that, however there is a way to do so without being so negative toward any program that doesn't share your same pricing structure. It's obvious that you don't like hosted programs, but that doesn't necessarily detract from the value of them.

As you can see from my posts and any in the past, I have never EVER stated WHNBilling is better then BillAdmin

Nor have I the opposite, but if you read between the lines in your post, it would seem as though that's what you're trying to imply...

that's why I added the fact that I even considered using BillAdmin at one point but decided against it because I would never own the software, which is the only negative problem with software
I appreciate the fact that you considered using BillAdmin. It's certainly unfortunate that it didn't fit your needs, however as you said - it's not the right program for everyone.

Unfortunately, with all software, many developers aren't inclined to sell their programs/source code for a one-time fee. Like I said, we would love to pay $600 flat out and never have to pay monthly Cpanel license fees again. However, it's really up to the developer to decide how the pricing is going to be structured.

In this case, since it is a hosted solution where the customer is not required to maintain a separate secure server for the purpose of a billing database, we feel that a monthly fee is more appropriate than a one-time buy-out.

Your software follows a different model, as the customer purchases the software and installs it on their own servers. There are some pros and cons with this method; the pros are that you can be certain that your data is safe (from other companies at least - crackers are a whole different story) and you are free to change the way the program works (if the source code is provided). The downside is that you will need to maintain extremely tight security on your "billing server"... for obvious reasons. Unfortunately many companies don't have the time, the resources or the knowledge to setup their own secure billing system (not meant as an insult to those who do).

I don't think either of the programs is better than the other - they're simply setup under different models. I'm hoping we can put this whole altercation behind us, and simply act as courteous professionals in the future. Threads like this aren't good for either of us, Gary... and to be honest, I have nothing against you personally.

Best Regards,
Matt Lightner
mlightner@site5.com

Matt

I am sorry if any of the posts came along negative in the last week against you or BillAdmin. It all stemmed from another problem regarding WHT and it sorta steamed over to every post I made.

As I tell anyone that calls me regarding WHNBilling, I have always given BillAdmin great reviews, I told them these are prob the only two programs designed by hosting companies for hosting companies.

Again...sorry for the negative posts ;) :cool: and as usual, i will continute to praise site5 and billadmin

Much appreciated, Gary.

Best Regards,
Matt Lightner
mlightner@site5.com

Hey Hey Now guys...

Gary i am sorry if you took me the wrong way.. Kind of like matt said WHN is just not fur us.. I never said it was no good.. I think its just as good as billadmin just in other ways.. :)

I don't see us paying $600 bucks for it yet.. I did not mean any thing by saying ( like a $100 script ) in just my opion it needs some dressing up.. It does work great it just does not look the best and work the best at the same time.. :)

I did not mean for you to start going at it like this... I am sorry if you took me the wrong way.. I just like billadmin just to bad i can't get it with out sending them a server so i might have to end up with WHN.. :) Who knows... I am not in a big rush i just want to make sure what i get will work the best for us. Plus we wanted to be able to resell BillAdmin For Matt but it look as they are only offering it to inhouse users... :(

Just have to say i am sorry guys i did not mean to start any thing here..

:D :D

hey Matt,

when do you think v2.0 will be ready ? .. roughly ..

We have been using BillAdmin for .. humm, 9 months now ? (correct me if I'm wrong Matt)

The deal with BillAdmin is that "it works" .. I seen other Billing packages, but none that is so "Host" friendly and complete (well, almost) as this one

Do I have a wishlist for it ? heck yes, but as it stands, I am still to see a better product.

Originally posted by Vortech Is there any updates on BillAdmin and if it will ever come back online to user not hosting with Site5.com?

So, IS it available for people who DON'T use Site5 as a host???



Based on the following... it IS available??? or was it shut down with only existing customers able to continue using it?

Originally posted by CRego3D
We have been using BillAdmin for .. humm, 9 months now ? (correct me if I'm wrong Matt)

The deal with BillAdmin is that "it works" .. I seen other Billing packages, but none that is so "Host" friendly and complete (well, almost) as this one

Do I have a wishlist for it ? heck yes, but as it stands, I am still to see a better product.


Seeing as I'm on the receiving end of it only at the moment, it would be good to know if it's available for use by anyone...

Having witnessed the grumpy response from 'Superman', I wouldn't buy a used newspaper from him, but am very keen, like Vortech to find a billing solution... will this (BillAdmin) have anything to do with billing in cpanel4/nocsoft??

Cheers..

Although everyone who has ever used BillAdmin absolutely loves it... you make the call.

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We have had Billadmin since day one, I have looked at others and non can be compared to Matt's... Support is great, program never fails and it is hosted on secure network. all I thank Matt for.

as for the $600. program, sorry but most hosts dont have $600. to drop on a program, however $50./mo is great. I know I know, after time it would have paid for itself.

Matt also came highly recomended so I contacting him and here we are.


BILLADMIN RULEZ!!!!

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Would of been nice if matt would of sold out side of site5 as well. I really like Billadmin but now there is modernbill and it seems to do the job just nice.. :)