OK, i thoughit i woud be really sad and give you all a small taste of "Whistler"

what can i say, its fast, faster than 2000, it hasnt crashed on me yet and im only running Beta 2 !!, im just installing all the required software for the operation of beta testing for another month.

(PLEASE FORGIVE ANY TYPOS - I SLICED A KNIFE THROUGH THE TOP OF MY RIGHT INDEX FINGER WHICH IS CAUSING MINOR TYPING DIFFICULTIES)

the start menu is something to get used to, i like the way it stores the recent list of launched programs in the start menu, making them easie to load.

most of it is exactly the same as windows 2000 server, the admin utils are the same, the desktop is similar.

the compulsary regiostration was extremely simple and caused no problems.;

other than that there is really nothing to report, it seems whistler is merely an "upgrade" to windows 2000 !! but i may be wrong...

anybody got anything top add ?

I think that XP (Whistler) will be a much bigger upgrade than most people think. First of all, it merges the kernel codebases of 9x and NT together. There's some multimedia stuff from 9x and some stability stuff from NT--it's the best of both worlds.

I'm a devout MS hater most of the time. But Win2k is really good IMO, and anything that improves upon it (with Smart tags, stability increses, etc) is a good thing. I plan to upgrade the second it comes out.

qslack, thanx for starting the conversation rolling :-)

id agree with you on the home/business market merge, it really has shown with 2000 that its easy to make good games that run on 2000, where as previously with NT it was impossible due to the OS restrictions.

Its so stable i cant belive it im running a microsoft product a beta 2 stage and its not crashed once !!

I personally cant belive the sped the OS starts up, im looking at about 15-20 seconds to srart the machine ready to logon, no thats impressive, it really looks like they have done wonders on their code base to get this to work so efficiently.

right down to the responsiveness of explorer, its really been sorted, i cant help but feel this upgrade is merely a face lift to windows 2000 and is being sold as so much more.

if there is anything anyone wants me to try on this server, please feel free to mention it and i will post the results here.

You may want to read this: http://grc.com/dos/winxp.htm - Seems us 2k users and future XPers will be able to enjoy full DoS attacks :rolleyes: - its an interesting read too.

Im using 2000 at the moment, I wont be using XP because 2000 does everything I need and more (And I dont like the look of XP :D)

Originally posted by Nicholas Brown
You may want to read this: http://grc.com/dos/winxp.htm - Seems us 2k users and future XPers will be able to enjoy full DoS attacks :rolleyes: - its an interesting read too.

Im using 2000 at the moment, I wont be using XP because 2000 does everything I need and more (And I dont like the look of XP :D)

I don't see Steve Gibson's logic. Because MS is following the standards (which people have simply HATED them for not doing before), they are suddenly bad. How about accusing the people who made up the protocol of making it DOS-friendly (another lie)?

Yes, price is a definite reason not to upgrade. But the UI is fully skinnable.

qslack, i coud not agree with you more, i hear so many people SLATE microsoft for not following standard implementations.

Now they follow the standards and become more like *NIX people are continuously cursing them, does this mean the reason *NIX has not taken a popular position in the desktop market is because its so easily trojaned with its raw sockets implementation?

I personally suport M$ in almost all ventures, the only aspect i disagree in strongly is the cost structure and constant forced upgrades, this may ultimately be the demise of microsoft when more and more people become hapy with their current implentation and have no need or desire to upgrade.

Well, I dont get involved in M$ vs *Nix anymore - they both have their faults :)

I think its good M$ are starting to follow the standards - it might increase public knowledge about security - I know lots of people who ask why I run a firewall :rolleyes:

This was also a very good article, http://www.grc.com/dos/grcdos.htm, I was bored and needed something to read - it filled the time :D

yeah, the Win/Nix thing does get boring after a while!

Both documents from GRC are great, both really interesting reads.

Im actually finding "little things" burried in the interface, theyre just hidden everywhere, all the niggling things in previous versions seem to have been perfected.

EG, the system tray, if an icon has co activity for a short whiile it hides it until it has activity with the option to show it again with a little arrow if necessary !!

Originally posted by xtstrike
what can i say, its fast, faster than 2000, it hasnt crashed on me yet and im only running Beta 2 !!, im just installing all the required software for the operation of beta testing for another month.

:agree: thanks for the heads up... hehe, i always look for upgrade reviews ever since i upgraded from Win98 to WinME (the worst upgrade ive made)... but now im on Win2k, very solid except my HPT366 problem... but im getting a components anyways so np ;)


Originally posted by xtstrike
(PLEASE FORGIVE ANY TYPOS - I SLICED A KNIFE THROUGH THE TOP OF MY RIGHT INDEX FINGER WHICH IS CAUSING MINOR TYPING DIFFICULTIES)

youch~! that phrase... 'sliced a knife' makes me shudder *blah* hope it heals soon, i hate to see a fellow who can't type well cause of disabilities!

Ok, finger has healed a little better now, i still cant type with it, but the blood has stopped flooding the keyboard. (Hows The For Commitment!!)

Windows Whistler is still running and hasnt crashed yet, ive switched to the new desktop scheme and its not causing any problems, maybe using more resources on the GUI than previously but i havent checked all that out yet.

The Task Manager Is Amazing, theyve added another few tabs, Users, Lan, etc... its amazing the feature set available in there for monitoring, its a full comms/system monitoring suite all in one.

Active directory is here to stay, so id better carry on reading up about it.

Anything else, well im still checking it out and finding little features here there and everywhere!

Originally posted by xtstrike
qslack, i coud not agree with you more, i hear so many people SLATE microsoft for not following standard implementations.

Now they follow the standards and become more like *NIX people are continuously cursing them, does this mean the reason *NIX has not taken a popular position in the desktop market is because its so easily trojaned with its raw sockets implementation?

I personally suport M$ in almost all ventures, the only aspect i disagree in strongly is the cost structure and constant forced upgrades, this may ultimately be the demise of microsoft when more and more people become hapy with their current implentation and have no need or desire to upgrade.

Most of us agree with this logic, but there is a certain advantage for people that are able to modify the kernel or any of the code on the OS to suit their needs, fix things, modify or alter things, for whatever reason, as opposed to closed course code. However, we all are aware of the draw backs to opensource code. But, if you can recognize and fix any holes/exploits in the open source -- because you can -- then that's definitely an advantage point. That's my take on it. If MS had open source, I might have a different opinion of Windows... I just like control, is all -- but I also do run NT as well, so I can't complain too much.

I personally like the rease of upgrade and central control of an OS as im not a programmer in C !!

Another thing which may be interesting is that i could NOT un-tick the IIS Installation box, now maybe this is a bug or is it a "Feature" you are forced to install on all servers?? maybe worth looking into

any chance of some screen shots? :D

Originally posted by qslack
Because MS is following the standards...Actually if you fully read the article you will find out (and this is backed up by others) that it is *not* a standard, but a research extension, designed for an OS that you have to know what you're doing to run (*nix). Whereas XP almost any idiot can run (god help us all).

Originally posted by Nicholas Brown
any chance of some screen shots? :D
Yeah nick I'll do up some shots later.

I was going to put up some screenshots but doing a simple search on the net will give you an entire array of screenshots :D