I would like to ask about comments for this two operating system. I wish to know about the stability, ease to use, any problem with scripts or anything else.

By the way, FreeBSD doesn't support RPM right, but will the tarball which it support runs well?

Moving on from the RAQs at last huh Donovan? :) Since Cobalt uses a modified version of Red Hat you're probably going to be more comfortable using that. Red Hat also has the best user control panels available for it. And all in all I've found Red Hat to be a pretty stable OS.

What scripts specifically are you worried about?

All that said, the security minded bods around here are gonna tell you FreeBSD rules plain and simple so I'll shut up now. :D

RPM is Redhat only...actually the R stands for redhat...
(well I thought so LoL)

As for which one you should pick,
if you are experienced enough, it doesn't really matter... My favorite is Redhat...
If you are quite new to this, take redhat, as it's the most standard and probably therefor the easiest for you...

I just downloaded FreeBSD 4.3 and burned it on a CD. I'm going to setup a box here at home and play around with it.

From what I have heard, RedHat is for newbies and you should go with FreeBSD for webservers.

[i]
From what I have heard, RedHat is for newbies and you should go with FreeBSD for webservers. [/B]
Not necessarily true...We have LOTS of servers run on RedHat, works fine...Just make sure you install all patches and upgrades :D

Here's another thread I started a while back that might be helpfull..

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=12337

c0bra:
Yup, I am interested in getting a real box. I am just seeking for the best provider with the best price and best services. So, during my research, it might takes sometimes. I am interested in dtwebworks.com so far. Seemed pretty good.

By the way, are the commands for FreeBSD hard to learn? I think I will just go for Redhat since I am more familiar with it.

Originally posted by Eagle
RPM is Redhat only...actually the R stands for redhat...
(well I thought so LoL)

Actualluy, this may have been the case originally. But now other distros support RPMs as well; such as Mandrake and I'm sure others too.

If you're looking for stability and better security ... choose FreeBSD. You can still run any linux software with linux binary installed.

Originally posted by Donovan
c0bra:
Yup, I am interested in getting a real box. I am just seeking for the best provider with the best price and best services. So, during my research, it might takes sometimes. I am interested in dtwebworks.com so far. Seemed pretty good.


We have a box with dtwebworks and have not had any problems at all. Charles (who posts here) has been helpful, prompt and courteous in dealing with all our requests. I'd definitely recommend them.

Originally posted by Donovan
By the way, are the commands for FreeBSD hard to learn? I think I will just go for Redhat since I am more familiar with it.

Both RedHat and FreeBSD are UNIX-based Operation Systems. As such, the basic commands are the same. The main difference is the location of files, system setup, etc.

Real men use FreeBSD. :pimp:

Extensive experience with both under very high load has shown my company that FreeBSD is more stable than redhat.

By high loads I mean on our free hosting servers with average transfer of 60-70 mbps (peaking at 98mbps).

I also don't think FreeBSD is any harder to learn if you take the time. www.freebsd.org

Best Regards,

Originally posted by zolbian
I just downloaded FreeBSD 4.3 and burned it on a CD. I'm going to setup a box here at home and play around with it.

From what I have heard, RedHat is for newbies and you should go with FreeBSD for webservers.


RedHat for newbies?
Oh man, you got to be kidding? First Windows vs. Linux and now this.

In my opinion Windows is still for beginners and there is nothing wrong with Red Hat at all.
I'm not saying freeBSD is better or worse but only that Red Hat does it job well.

What's next? ..... is better then FreeBSD? Oh please...

RPM is Redhat only...actually the R stands for redhat...
(well I thought so LoL)
Heh, RedHat wants RPM to be a standard for Linux packet management. Looks like the other distros are hesitating to adopt it. And guess why? In my opinion exactly because of this R. Why the **** should an open standard be named after a company??

Stupid RedHat.

Originally posted by Domenico



RedHat for newbies?
Oh man, you got to be kidding? First Windows vs. Linux and now this.

In my opinion Windows is still for beginners and there is nothing wrong with Red Hat at all.
I'm not saying freeBSD is better or worse but only that Red Hat does it job well.

What's next? ..... is better then FreeBSD? Oh please...

If you ask anyone who knows what they're talking about they will tell you that if you want to start with the linux/unix environment, start with RedHat. They will also tell you that FreeBSD/Debian/etc are more stable than RedHat. This does not mean that RedHat is easy and for people that are blind with computer, it's easier than the other distributions of Linux/Unix.

And offcourse, people will always compare 2 products with eachother, there is nothing wrong with that. You always have to compare to see which one fits your needs better. Doesn't matter if you do Window <-> Linux or Linux <-> Unix or whatever.

freebsd has ports and packages of almost everything which is as easy (maybe easier) than rpm's. all it consists of is entering the ports directory of the app u want (they are all preloaded) and typing 'make install' or pkg_add package.pkg I really prefer FreeBSD due especially to its security and stability.

Is it that FreeBSD really easy to use for a beginner? I mean, from every method of OS, like the RPM & tarball files, script supporting, commands, speed etc...

I heard somewhere that they have to configure the script to make it work on a FreeBSD box. Is it just the path for perl etc, or it's something much more complicated than that? I am thinking of installing webmin when I got the server. So if there's problem with scripts supporting, I don't think that I want to put my foot in. By the way, what's the URL for CPanel3?

c0bra:
I am really interested in joining them. Unfortunately, they charge quite a lot for CPanel3 which other host such as venturesonline included the fee in the server set-up fee which hold my foot. I am thinking about webmin as the alternative as it's free. But I am not sure about how good is it compare to Cpanel3.

Webmin and cpanel3 are totally different.

Were webmin is for the admin only cpanel is for its's users. You can compare webmin with WHM (included with cpanel) wich is for the administrator only like webmin.

Anyways, there are many more differences and one post wouldn't be enough to tell them all. Just do a search and read all about it.

i know you are using a RAQ right now but webmin is way more technical then the cobalt CP and you can srew up if you don't know what you are doing. Since I don't know about your technical knowledge this is all I can say about it now.

Do you want to give your customers access to a CP? Do you have customers? ;-)

Like I said, do a search for control panels like cpanel, ensim, plesk and others and read all about them...
The homepage from cpanel is http://www.cpanel.net

Have a nice day!

Originally posted by jw
freebsd has ports and packages of almost everything which is as easy (maybe easier) than rpm's. all it consists of is entering the ports directory of the app u want (they are all preloaded) and typing 'make install' or pkg_add package.pkg I really prefer FreeBSD due especially to its security and stability.

An even easier method for the major packages (not all of them, though... but around 1,000 or so): run /stand/sysinstall

Then goto configure -> packages -> ftp

You can install almost any major program via a GUI. It doesn't get much simpler.

For a virtual domain email servers --> Go to Redhat ... since you can setup virtual POP3 domain using vpop3d (packed along with linuxconf) very easily. Then you can setup virtual IMAP domain (http://sourceforge.net/projects/vimap) to work with vpop3d :agree:

Right now your virtual domain email server will be able to use POP3 , IMAP , modern IMAP webmail , WAP mail ... :cool:

PlanetZ,

I tried to install PHP with the --enable-trans-sid option this way, but even though I checked the trans. box it didn't configure it with it. Do you know how to fix this or should I install it manually?

Actually, I've never tried installing PHP using the package system.

Generally, I do Apache/PHP/Zend/mySQL manually at the same time. It's pretty simple. I had a URL of a tutorial on how to get all of them up and running together, I'm seeing if I can find it.

I currently run two dedicated servers, that run redhat 7

1st server's up time is 62 days, nothing but stable, no crashes, no nothing
2nd server = 45 days, same results.

I have used redhat for many differnet machines, (mostly dedicated servers) and i have found redhat to be a good distro, I dont see anything wrong with it. Besides, i dont use rpms anyway :)

I think redhat would be just fine for a dedicated server. My favorite although is slackware :)


linux is linux

I think FreeBSD is as easy as RedHat.
- You have a very easy to use package system (pkg_add, pkg_del and pkg_info).
- The system has only a few config files and therefore it's easy to hold the overview of the system configuration.
- And all documentation and programs for FreeBSD will work on your system, there is no other distribution or something like that. Only one version of FreeBSD.

- domi

Domenico:

Do you have customers?

:( Yes, I do. And it's very enough to cover my fees for a real box and my meals.

Now I am really interested in FreeBSD. I just want to know, will there be any problem with scripts? Do scripts need special tweaking for FreeBSD?

Originally posted by Donovan
Now I am really interested in FreeBSD. I just want to know, will there be any problem with scripts? Do scripts need special tweaking for FreeBSD?

I assume you mean Perl, PHP, etc.? Then the answer is no: anything that runs on RedHat should run fine on FreeBSD without having to mess with it. Server-wide programs are another story (eg. CPanel).

Server-wide or Server-side ? Mind to tell me about that "another story" ?

Some programs that deal with the whole system only work on certain operating systems. CPanel is one example. MOST programs will run on any main UNIX operating system. In fact, the only program I've yet to encounter that specifically only runs on RedHat is CPanel.

If you're not planning on using CPanel, you should be fine. Everything else that I've used or thought about using does indeed work fine on FreeBSD.

Any alternative for Cpanel?

If I'm not misstaking, Plesk works on FreeBSD.

Plesk is supposed to work on FreeBSD, according to Plesk's webpage. I've never tried it personally, though.

If you just need a control panel to do server administration, go with Webmin.

I need a control panel for my users as well. Too bad webmin doesn't support that.

I don't know of any really good end-user control panels that are free. As mentioned before, Plesk (which is end-user) works on BSD. But it ain't free (neither is CPanel, usually).

Originally posted by zolbian
I just downloaded FreeBSD 4.3 and burned it on a CD. I'm going to setup a box here at home and play around with it.

From what I have heard, RedHat is for newbies and you should go with FreeBSD for webservers.

Redhat is for newbies of which kind who can't use a computer or experts?

Originally posted by Farmer


Redhat is for newbies of which kind who can't use a computer or experts?


Maybe I phrased that wrong.. What I meant was to say that it is easier to start on RedHat. Again, this is what I have heard!

A freeBSD Control Panel could be smarthostingcontroller. Check it out on www.smarthostingtools.com

I use R.H but will try FreeBSD in my Gateway boxes.

FreeBSD and Plesk are great... No problems at all really..

I like Cpanel more, and it has the resellers control panel which I think I will be needing it a lot thou.

The reseller parts in CPanel do make it much better the Plesk..

I see.