I've had very good responses in the past from similar threads, many of which we've implemented, and since I believe this thread will benefit us as much as all of our competitors, here we go :)

What do you consider to be good features for a web host to offer? What do people really look for beyond the obvious such as top-notch support, low costs, etc?

Sincerely,


Vladislav Davidzon <davidzon@thinkhost.com> :-)
Senior Network Administrator - ThinkHost Web Hosting Services
http://www.thinkhost.com - honesty, reliability, trust.
We are the smart choice for all your web hosting needs! (TM)

Gosh, Vlad, do you start this thread on every forum you visit? Seems that way.

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Annette
Hosting Matters, Inc.
http://www.hostmatters.com

[This message has been edited by Annette (edited 08-07-2000).]

I was going to say the same thing, until I scrolled on down to Annette's post.

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Adam "fibroptikl" Lysne
adam@motion5.com
Questions?
fibroptikl
73218345

I agree Annette, it sure seems that way from this view as well.
Anyway Vlad, I think great customer service is number one. Some hosts are blessed with not too many support problems, but if they do not provide good customer service, clients will (and should) look elsewhere.


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HostCaters--We Cater Hosting
www.hostcaters.com (http://www.hostcaters.com)

Since this question has been posed before a few times, I'll present just a few key points. The details can be found on other discussions of the same topic.

1. Honesty
2. Full disclosure
3. Equitable terms of service
4. An upgrade plan for customers who outgrow basic shared server hosting. This can include moving to servers with a more limited number of accounts and dedicated servers (or possibly a referral plan to reputable dedicated server companies).

Annette,

Our system configuration and business policies are very closely based on careful surveys of current and potential users -- this is what makes us such a strong firm, and yes, I do pose this question to just about everyone I can find. : ) By adjusting to users' needs, we become the best there is, its that simple. You need to know your market in order to be good, and what better way to find what people want than to ask?

Sincerely,


Vladislav Davidzon <davidzon@thinkhost.com> :-)
Senior Network Administrator - ThinkHost Web Hosting Services
http://www.thinkhost.com - honesty, reliability, trust.
We are the smart choice for all your web hosting needs! (TM)

I suppose my question is: why do you insist on posting it everywhere? If you are that concerned about what people are looking for, why don't you survey your existing customers (I know, you already do), or post a survey at your site for visitors? Sitepoint has already altered their forum rules so that this type of what basically amounts to passive spamming is not allowed from hosts; I'm wondering if this is something that other forums should adopt as well. I dislike what appears to be a certain sneakiness in the guise of "help".

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Annette
Hosting Matters, Inc.
http://www.hostmatters.com

Originally posted by Annette:
I suppose my question is: why do you insist on posting it everywhere? If you are that concerned about what people are looking for, why don't you survey your existing customers (I know, you already do), or post a survey at your site for visitors? Sitepoint has already altered their forum rules so that this type of what basically amounts to passive spamming is not allowed from hosts; I'm wondering if this is something that other forums should adopt as well. I dislike what appears to be a certain sneakiness in the guise of "help".



I thought I remembered seeing that sitepoint had changed the rules so that hosts couldn't post crap like this. I guess that is why he showed up here. Too bad. This used to be such a nice forum. Oh well...maybe time for WebHostingTalk to adopt a similar rule.

Here's my two cents. One host can't be everything to everyone. Asking vague open ended questions like this is pretty pointless. If you are truly concerned about pleasing your customers, current or prospective then ask them. And what better place to ask them than a survey on YOUR very own web site?


[This message has been edited by Nashoba (edited 08-07-2000).]

Annette,

You're heading down a very wrong path attacking my company -- other firms have learned the hard way that I don't take lightly to undeserved attacks. Don't do it.

I will survey as I deem necessary where I deem fit, that is my prerogative. As a competitor, I am sure you're quite irritated by my firm, and I can understand that its very tough to compete with someone like us. However, that doesn't mean that you should go out and start flaming us just because we're good, but rather get tough and compete.

We've seen this time in and time out, and the only thing your attacks will lead to is pointless argument. I have the experience and knowledge to point out 500 different problems with any particular web host -- from security to customer service. Don't flame me just because we're good, because you do *not* want me getting on your case.

You need to learn to work with us rather than against us -- we have and will continue to set standards for other hosts to follow (and boy have I heard rather amusing remarks from what other web hosts have said about us ;). If you don't like that, compete and become better, but until then, don't flame us just because we're who we are.

Have a wonderful day.

Sincerely,


Vladislav Davidzon <davidzon@thinkhost.com> :-)
Senior Network Administrator - ThinkHost Web Hosting Services
http://www.thinkhost.com - honesty, reliability, trust.
We are the smart choice for all your web hosting needs! (TM)

[This message has been edited by thinkhost (edited 08-07-2000).]

What makes youre service better other than you saying so? Your higher prices? Maybe your decision to do non IP based web hosting to save money at the expense of your customers? Or the lack of real time support that these other hosts both offer?

Actually, dedicated IP's are coming to all accounts as it is a far more requested feature as we originally estimated. If you're about to say search engines, yes, I am aware that there are rumors that search engines ban by IP, however I've also read the exact opposite that said domains. If a user wants an IP, they will be available very soon :) If they *really* need one now, we can add it.

Real-time support is completely out of the question until we can hire staff for a phone center. AIM support is really unnecessary as our e-mail responses are nearly as quick -- most of our clients attest to that.

And as far as higher prices, I don't think so. We offer very reasonable packages, especially considering our true care for our clients. No other web host offers our level of service and uptime.

Anyway, enough about that! Cheer up people! Its summer time, nice and bright outside, so *smile* and stop being so darn irritated! :) :) :) :) :)

Sincerely,


Vladislav Davidzon <davidzon@thinkhost.com> :-)
Senior Network Administrator - ThinkHost Web Hosting Services
http://www.thinkhost.com - honesty, reliability, trust.
We are the smart choice for all your web hosting needs! (TM)

Lets get back on topic, shall we? :)

>> 2. Full disclosure

Exactly what do you mean by this? The others make sense, but I am a little confused by this one.

Your arrogance is truly astounding, and your reply makes absolutely no sense in the context of this thread.

"Get on [my] case"? "Irritated by your firm"? What the hell are you talking about? Your attitude is irritating, to be sure. But your firm concerns me not at all.

Your "surveys" cannot be done everywhere you see fit, and you learned this at Sitepoint. Your high opinion of yourself is not shared. The love-fest that people engage in at other forums will not be duplicated here. Thanks for allowing everyone to see the true nature that you bring to the table. It's fortunate that there are forums like this.

If your actions here and elsewhere are what you think people should follow, with your arrogant pronouncements on everything under the sun and undeserved attacks on others (cf. the hostrocket thread), then I will gladly take another path. Following someone like yourself down any road would lead to the same contemptible arrogance that you display as if it were a prize. The manner in which you engage others is crude and boorish, and your attempts at presenting yourself and your firm as something to which to aspire fall very short.

You do not convince people of your greatness by repeatedly saying it. You convince people of greatness when you convince people that you speak to them as an equal. You convince people of greatness when you convince them that you are more concerned about them than you are about yourself. So far, you have demonstrated neither.

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Annette
Hosting Matters, Inc.
http://www.hostmatters.com

[This message has been edited by Annette (edited 08-07-2000).]

Thinkhost - I have to say that your arrogance and constant surveys and attacking of other hosts at sitepoint has made me stop reading the hosting forums over there. I was tickled when the moderator changed the rule so that you weren't allowed to start your stupid threads anymore. And now you come over here and start your crap again!!

I have always enjoyed webhostingtalk because the hosts that post here regularly (hostcaters, hostmatters, webauthorities, cfoxhost, netfronts, intrafronts, ultraspeed) sorry if I left anyone out, post helpful responses to people's questions. They've been around for awhile and seem truly interested in helping others. I have never known them to just start stupid survey threads such as, "How do you like us? We think we're good, but we want to hear that you think we're good? Enough about me what do you think about me?"

As a matter of fact, I don't recall seeing any posts by you helping anyone besides yourself. That is NOT the kind of host I would want or recommend to my friends.

And I hope that because of your stupid survey thread that the moderator of webhostingtalk will change their policy too, like sitepoint had to, because of YOU. It is unfortunate that you have to ruin things for everyone.

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Nashoba
Wolves are cool, run with the pack

This is getting absolutely ridiculous.

1. Vlad, this topic was covered in this forum ages ago - do a search and you'll find the topic from Felix of Can-Host. Look through that.

2. I really don't want to play Moderator here, but this thread is starting to veer off on the wrong tangent.

Quite frankly Vlad, your definition of flaming doesn't match what the rest of the Net thinks. Please chill out and re-think your position before you weigh in with what you believe. Your posts are (quite unfortunately) giving off the impression of a host who seems to think he has the hosting market cornered and would like to dictate the market according to his whim. Puh lease. I should also add that such posts are about as annoying (to me) as telemarketers asking if you'd like to buy a product from them.

Btw, Annette was not attacking your company - she was more querying the effectiveness of such an open-ended post, posted across multiple forums. Please at least have the humility to quietly and kindly point out the flaws in her arguments instead of riding on the proverbial high horse. Here's a hint : *cough* *hack* BURST *hack* *cough*

Which leads me to add a point to what I require of web hosts : taking a friendly attitude when doing anything, instead of trying to take the high ground and inviting others to into a flame war with you.

P.S. For your benefit Vlad, maybe you should pop over to http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame02.html and see which category you fit into.

P.P.S. I also hope that I really don't a reason to turn on my HellFlamer and do something similar to this : http://www.hostspot.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000384.html

Trust me, when I'm feeling really sick as I am currently, then the urge to do something to relieve all the sickness and tension inside you increases tenfold.

Oh yeah, it's not quite summer where I am. It's pouring with rain, it's freezing and it's winter. Nuff said.

[This message has been edited by BC (edited 08-07-2000).]

Originally posted by Nashoba:
"How do you like us? We think we're good, but we want to hear that you think we're good? Enough about me what do you think about me?"


Haha! That could not be any more perfect of a impression!

-Brendan

And FYI, Vlad, full disclosure applies to full disclosure of any ambigious terms in your AUP or TOS, as well as covering definitions of bandwidth, CPU usage, etc.

BC: I almost said, is this another BURST outbreak, but you beat me to it :)

I usually try to keep my cool but:

"You're heading down a very wrong path attacking my company -- other firms have learned the hard way that I don't take lightly to undeserved attacks. Don't do it."

and

"because you do *not* want me getting on your case."

is not a good way to get the ball rolling. I agree I don't think that Annette was flamming you, although I think a few flames now might be appropriate.

BC, relax. In with peach air out with bile green thinkhost. :)



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Mike Astin
WebAuthorities
http://www.webauthorities.com
http://www.resellerinfo.com - A free reseller information site (coming soon!)

Mike,

You wouldn't happen to be conversant with Lamaze exercises or leg splits or the Heimler manouever (sp)? Anything to get all this pent up bile and sickness out of me... ;)

...watching competitors flame... noticing only competitor flame...

Oh well, time to pack for NYC. My point well proven. I am suddenly in a circle of wolves all of whom are ready to rip me apart the moment I put my stungun down or my fire goes out. Oooh boy! :) What a familiar feeling!!!! :)

Should I throw a piece of meat out there?


[This message has been edited by thinkhost (edited 08-07-2000).]

Funny how you think all of us are hosts, when I'm not.

I'm a potential customer.

A potential client.

Get it right, please!

[This message has been edited by BC (edited 08-07-2000).]

BC, my apologies, I wasn't quite sure who/what you were. :-P Ok, then I guess I should just notice that 90% of the replies are from competitors. Ahem!

Still the circle is only getting smaller and smaller, so I might as well leave for NYC and let the wolves eat each other as they get hungrier and hungier. Ciao folks!

Its amusing that nearly ALL of the problems we have are with competitors -- but I guess thats the price of this business. Ironic that those same competitors look up to us to lead projects (ie the zone record project we're starting up). Oh well, c'est la vie. What a business this is!

I think its time for a tactics change -- a certain level of ignorance of flames from competition could be a bliss!

Sorry for being overly sarcastic, I am just in a great mood tonight. So smile everyone!!! :)

Au revoir et bon noir. Sorry, no meat for you today.

:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Originally posted by thinkhost:
...watching competitors flame... noticing only competitor flame...

Oh well, time to pack for NYC. My point well proven. I am suddenly in a circle of wolves all of whom are ready to rip me apart the moment I put my stungun down or my fire goes out. Oooh boy! :) What a familiar feeling!!!! :)

Should I throw a piece of meat out there?


Your last refuge is always "others are flaming me, I must therefore be right". Once again you have missed the point:

Constantly accusing your competitors of "flaming" you when either disgreeing with you or pointing out flaws in execution demonstrates nothing but your unwillingness to see other viewpoints, your complete lack of logical response to these issues, and a certain type of immaturity all too evident in many of the thousands of hosts that are out there. The fact that you seem to think everything is a war and everything is to be taken personally tells clients and potential clients more about you than you might like.

Unlike some other fora, most people here are not hesitant to ask the difficult questions of people that post here. You seem to think yourself above such questions, and I can guarantee that no one here will settle for that.

Those of use who have taken the time to view this business through the lens of the client instead of the lens of ego can see that cooperation among hosts benefits everyone. You'd do well to learn this instead of trying to make yourself into a martyr or set yourself on a pedestal.

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Annette
Hosting Matters, Inc.
http://www.hostmatters.com


[This message has been edited by Annette (edited 08-08-2000).]

Originally posted by thinkhost:
...watching competitors flame... noticing only competitor flame...

Oh well, time to pack for NYC. My point well proven. I am suddenly in a circle of wolves all of whom are ready to rip me apart the moment I put my stungun down or my fire goes out. Oooh boy! :) What a familiar feeling!!!! :)

Should I throw a piece of meat out there?


[This message has been edited by thinkhost (edited 08-07-2000).]

I'm not a host. I am just an innocent bystander forced to suffer through your need for constant reassurance by posting your "surveys".



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Nashoba
Wolves are cool, run with the pack

Howdy,

There you go again about co-operation. I approached HostRocket a long time ago with a listing of all their problems and they still haven't dealt with several of them. If thats not co-operation, I am not sure what is. I also was willing to give open access to other web hosts to our zone processing data once that is available. I have tried to work with others instead of working against you, but that doesn't work too well because no one likes to be in the shadow of someone else, thats understandable.

You're once again just trying to attack us for being a competitor, without any ground to stand on. Wolves have been wolves and will stay wolves -- you smelled blood and you came running like one. Go back to your cave my friend and leave us alone. :P

I might be very aware of our level of service and quite well aware of who we are. Surveys are just surveys -- nothing more. You want to read more into them, then I'll read your flames as flames :) Have a great day, and please, retreat to your cave, there is no room or place for all this arguing and flaming. You want to compete, compete fairly, but don't flame us just because we have the edge.


Sincerely,


Vladislav Davidzon <davidzon@thinkhost.com> :-)
Senior Network Administrator - ThinkHost Web Hosting Services
http://www.thinkhost.com - honesty, reliability, trust.
We are the smart choice for all your web hosting needs! (TM)

Oh me Ive seen it all now. I thought you were leaving for NewYork?? LOL! I will say this....you opened your own can of worms on both these threads. Has everyone seen this topic at tipsntricks? Apparently going on at the same time as this one? http://www.tips-tricks.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/000421.html

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HostCaters--We Cater Hosting
www.hostcaters.com (http://www.hostcaters.com)

Some thoughts to ponder:

Success is hard to define, but failure can be defined as trying to please everyone.

Ralph Waldo Emerson (IIRC)

Those who do not learn from the past will repeat its failures (OWTTE)

Gen. George Santanaya

Enquiring minds want to know. - National Enquirer

Wolves are very social animals. They work together and cull the weak and the lame from the gene pool.

Cooperation does not equal running off to someone to tell them everything you think is wrong with their service. Flaming does not equal pointing out that you are acting in an incredibly arrogant manner or that your constant "surveys" are annoying. Courtesy does not equal calling anyone who has the temerity to disagree with you "wolves". Greatness does not equal trying to convince others that you are somehow better than them sinply because you claim to be.

Sorry. At one point, you were one of the hosts on the shortlist of hosts that I would have recommended to people were they looking for something that we could not supply. However, you have shown yourself to be in the same league as those hosts whose actions are derided in every forum because they refuse to see that their attitude is sickening and their egos matched only by the high opinion held only by themselves.

I know that we had discussed at sitepoint a deleted domain search/registration; I can guarantee you, however, that not only would I not be interested in such a thing from you, that I would not recommend it to anyone else, either. You have shown traits that are better avoided.

You can post yet another "people are flaming" message, if you like. Like other things you've posted, repeating it won't make it any more true.

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Annette
Hosting Matters, Inc.
http://www.hostmatters.com

Just to clear a few things up, these flaws that he claims to have found in our system plain and simple do not exist. We run the same credit card encryption / billing management software that all the hundreds if not thousands of other alabanza hosts run. Are you going to start saying that you know more than all of the tech people who work at alabanza now? Im not looking to start (continue?) this flame war, just clearing up a few things Vlad was mistaken on reguarding our company.


-Brendan Brader
support@hostrocket.com http://www.hostrocket.com

Good morning folks!

Cooperation does not equal running off to someone to tell them everything you think is wrong with their service. Flaming does not equal pointing out that you are acting in an incredibly arrogant manner or that your constant "surveys" are annoying. Courtesy does not equal calling anyone who has the temerity to disagree with you "wolves". Greatness does not equal trying to convince others that you are somehow better than them sinply because you claim to be.

Co-operation means in my mind making a competitor aware of flaws with the security of their system they were clearly unaware of. What I could have well done was publically posted every flaw on the net for their users to see and understand just how threatened their sensitive information was, or how flawed some of the systems were. What I did instead was that I IM'ed Brendan and described all the errors in detail, to which I received a very upset and frustrated response. I can understand his position, and hearing these sorts of things from a competitor about my own company wouldn't make me happy either.

Sorry. At one point, you were one of the hosts on the shortlist of hosts that I would have recommended to people were they looking for something that we could not supply. However, you have shown yourself to be in the same league as those hosts whose actions are derided in every forum because they refuse to see that their attitude is sickening and their egos matched only by the high opinion held only by themselves.

My opinion is very simple of our services -- we are not the perfect solution to every problem, but we very much strive to be the absolutely best provider on the Internet today. When I get pastes from IM conversations of clients with other web hosts saying that they want to beat our support, that means to me that we have achieved that level. When a competitor attacks me for no apparent reason, I will fight back, very strongly. I can easily do an audit of any competitors' system and post that audit publically, however I do not resort to that as I strongly feel we need to work together. I have tried to work together with other firms (that obviously didn't deserve that attempt) but failed miserably -- it is impossible to work together with people who clearly feel outshadowed by your reputation, skills, experience and knowledge, or more correct, to this day I haven't learned how to do that. So far I've achieved nearly 100% customer satisfaction, but I have also achieved a very high level of hatred from other web hosts. If thats the price, than thats a price I am willing to deal with, as there is no better way.

If you want to compete, compete fairly and squarely, don't try to attack me when I do not deserve to be attacked. I merely made a post asking for suggestions and got a ton of hosts flaming me -- look at what this argument is about! You didn't like me asking users for advice because you knew that all that would lead to is improvement in our service, and boy you couldn't have that, could you. Us improving means more distance for you to run, not good!

Guess what people, grow up. If you can't deal with competition, get out of this business, because you're in the wrong field.

I know that we had discussed at sitepoint a deleted domain search/registration; I can guarantee you, however, that not only would I not be interested in such a thing from you, that I would not recommend it to anyone else, either. You have shown traits that are better avoided.

I have shown traits of dedication and strive for success that is unmatched by most people. If you don't like it, thats not my problem, it is yours as a competitor -- my clients love us for that dedication, and for the fact that we stand behind our services, fully and completely. If you can't compete with us, get another job, please, but get out of my hair. This isn't the time or place for these sorts of personal attacks.

I may have opened a can of worms by posting that sarcastic remark about hostrocket, but frankly I got pretty annoyed with their excuse for everything approach to life, and hey it is my freedom of speech, isn't it? :)

Have a wonderful evening folks, it is 1am here, and my flight leaves at 7, so I got only a few hours to sleep tonight. If you wish to discuss this further, e-mail me at vladislav@davidzon.com as I simply won't have time to reply to this fairly pointless discussion that my friendly competitors have so generously turned into a war against us.

Sincerely,


Vladislav Davidzon <davidzon@thinkhost.com> :-)
Senior Network Administrator - ThinkHost Web Hosting Services
http://www.thinkhost.com - honesty, reliability, trust.
We are the smart choice for all your web hosting needs! (TM)

Wow, I wanna excel as well...I'll register at epubliceye like Vlad. The link on the site takes you to a section you can look at reviews if you wade around..His customers are so thrilled 35 reviews have been filed! In fact, they got so excited 18 of the filed reviews on 6-18, all right after one another...then 3 on the 19th, 3 on the 20th. I guess they lost their fire because only 3 or 4 have been filed since then...Yeah, 18 people happen to file reports on the same day in small bursts.

As a web host, we can't just give the survey right after order like other merchants because the clients would say "waaah? I have no idea what your service is like, I can't evaluate it"

The replies were filed at the same time due to the fact that we e-mailed our users at the time together with some other important information asking them to do so. When our control information panel goes online, it will also contain the link for our users to use.

You need to know your market in order to be good, and what better way to find what people want than to ask?

Vlad, while I get what I think you mean, it takes a lot more than just asking. It takes imagination and anticipating what people might like. You have to have the imagination they lack. You can't provide a proper service or build a good web site by consensus.

I'll give you an example, and it has nothing to do with web hosting. I am a scuba diver, have been since I was 14 (and that's been awhile) and have a comprehensive web site about scuba diving. Periodically, I'll see someone post a message saying they are starting a site about the diving and what would people like to see on it so they could make it a great site.

One gal even posted that question last year on my forum and I told her much of what I told you here. She was grateful to hear from someone who had done it. However, to this day, none of those people ever produced a site. Even many of the extant sites are nothing more than a collection of links, whereas my site has a lot of information simply not found anywhere else. With no advertising, it has become one of the most popular sites (top 4) on the subject, and many people trust it more than others (the insightful coverage and lack of advertising banners helps).

You have to anticipate, to use imagination, in meeting (much less exceeding) the expectations of your customers. I'll give you a hint, the technologies are secondary to other concerns. You can't accomplish your goals through surveys and polls. It's good to listen to people and be responsive to their needs, and that will only take you part of the way.

Do you know why donkeys don't go to college?

Because nobody likes a smart ***. (You know!). You do come across in this discussion as arrogant, condescending, and oblivious to the issues being discussed. That's not even taking your martyr complex into account.

I'm not saying this to attack you (awhoooo - wolf howl ;-D )I admire those who strive for excellence in any field, and there are enough mediocre (and below) hosting companies. However, any company striving for excellence must treat people properly and I see that lacking in you. Attitude is 80% of anything we do in life and is just as important in hosting companies as anything else.

It is more important than any technological features they may have, and some people have learned that the hard way. I've had a simply awful host that was great on paper but had a rotten attitude. Others have experienced the same thing.

Since you are contantly seeking to improve, you might start there, with your attitude. I say this not sarcastically (I don't do sarcasm any more), but in a sincere attempt to have your company do better by setting the right tone. After all the attitude of any company is set at the top. You could do much better.

Excellence is a journey, not a destination. Handling it is a bit like the proper attitude in karate and other martial arts. When you know you can handle a situation and defend yourself, you don't go around bragging about how tough you are.

I know some Navy Seals (mostly former ones, though one former has a son who is currently a Seal). These guys are Tough (that's tough with a capital T). These are the guys you call when it absolutely, positively, has to be destroyed overnight ( a take off on an old Fed Ex campaign). Yet these guys are just humble, down to earth, really nice guys. They don't have to prove they are tough (outside of training), they know it, and it doesn't go to their heads.

Excellence is the same.

[This message has been edited by Duster (edited 08-08-2000).]

I <b>Was</b> a potential client but now im a potential client of someone else. I think you should personally learn to button it and put these sorta surveys on your own site and leave them there. im my opinion your not doing yourself now favours for you or your company.

Oh and would you boot someone for using the chat script echat42 ? *think carefully this is a trick question*

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Kind Regards
Edward Dalladay
Email - eddie@kchat.org or DjSy99@netscape.net
Web Address - http://www.kchat.org or http://www.flashtechnics.com

Whats the trick question :) - Sorry if I'm a bit slow tonight, but it doesn't mean anything to me :P

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Originally posted by ThinkHost at www.tips-tricks.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/000421.html (http://www.tips-tricks.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/000421.html) ...As I work through college towards a law degree...I am deeply fortunate to have gotten here, and to have the opportunity to go to a top notch school for both my english/philosophy and later legal degree

Since you once mentioned you're 18, I can't help wondering: Did you mean you are currently an English Major, but have taken the LSAT (Law School Admissions Test) and have been accepted by a "top notch" law school? Don't most ABA-accredited law schools require a university degree? There're always exceptions, of course.

And as for the client list on your site: Was Columbia University your client while you were in high school working independently as a programmer/administrator, or is it a current client of your hosting business ThinkHost?

They kick people off for using cgi scripts so i wanna know what hed say to that script and it is a trick if you know anything about the script :).

Originally posted by Michael_Bray:
Whats the trick question :) - Sorry if I'm a bit slow tonight, but it doesn't mean anything to me :P





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Kind Regards
Edward Dalladay
Email - eddie@kchat.org or DjSy99@netscape.net
Web Address - http://www.kchat.org or http://www.flashtechnics.com

Any psychology majors here? How classic! "Everybody hates me because I'm the best. I know more about systems than (insert anyone here) and I am so great at it that I point out flaws in other peoples' systems for them without them soliciting my opinion - which I could do publicly, but gee, I'm such a nice guy that I would never do that, but I will mention it every chance I get in any public forum I attend. And, by the way you're all just jealous of me anyhow, but while you're here, why don't you tell me how great I am?"

I think a psych major would have a field day with you in a practicum, to be honest - but only for a day or so, as this is pretty typical stuff. But a full public demonstration is certainly a worthy show for people. Thanks for the amusement.

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Annette
Hosting Matters, Inc.
http://www.hostmatters.com

[This message has been edited by Annette (edited 08-08-2000).]

This thread started as a useless vague "survey" with the claim of wanting to learn about potential customers. Nothing much was posted that taught about customers, much has been learned about the original poster though.

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Chuck Fox
http://cfoxhost.com

As a person who has studied administration, surveys are a good thing, no matter how much you over do it. BUT, the survey has to be done a right way, otherwise it's a waste of time and the information it gathers is invalid and unreliable.

Annette,

What you are referring to, persecution and martyr complexes, along with arrogance, are often (usually) the flip side of inferiority. It's how some people mask their feelings of inferiority.

No, I wasn't a psych major, but I did learn a thing or two about it, some of it from psychotherapist friends, some from studying, and I have used applied pyschology successfully on a number of occasions.

I'm reminded of something often attributed to Mark Twain. He didn't say it, though it does sound like something he might have said.
When I was 16, I though my father was the dumbest man alive. When I turned 21, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in the last 5 years.
:-D

[This message has been edited by Duster (edited 08-08-2000).]

>No other web host offers our level of service and uptime.

Oh geez! This sounds more like a sales slogan then anything that make any kind or sense! Most any Alabanza based host will have the same up time as you do. And there is plenty of people here who really committed to their customers. Do not pretend that you "The only one".

My advice, if you want to have input, just listen to people and make your own decisions on whether ideas work for you or not. But do not try to attack back or start using this sales propaganda.

Genady
AnGen

Got it in one, Duster. It's one of the classic case studies that is presented in just about every psych textbook (one of the few times, I suppose, that "textbook case" is semantically correct). It's also unfortunate to see something like this in a younger person, as it blunts other potential that might be present but that is obscured by this type of personality.

Fred is right, of course, as is everyone else who commented on the value of such a non-focused, open-ended "survey". You wind up with results that are useless and skewed - not a good way to gather statistically relevant material.

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Annette
Hosting Matters, Inc.
http://www.hostmatters.com

Vlad - do not worry about anything said or claimed by "Annette" (if that is the name she is using today).

She's had a very hard time trying to scam people into using her one-man-band hosting operation (she is just a "reseller for alabanza" apparently) and so she's desperate to try and find people to help pay the bills.

Never mind, Annette. Some day you will find a job cleaning streets or something that you are equally qualified for. Just keep your head up, and keep hoping.

My own personal troll is back. Thanks, Peter - you always help to prove my points for me. Trying to get yourself kicked from this forum, too? You are, in and of yourself, one of the very reasons that hosting has a poor reputation among people. No worries, though, as we all know that you can be safely ignored, since there is never anything substantive out of you.

BTW, how much did you get out of Burst? Inquiring lawyers are quite curious, given your continual libellous statements.

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Annette
Hosting Matters, Inc.
http://www.hostmatters.com


[This message has been edited by Annette (edited 08-08-2000).]

Originally posted by Scumface:
BTW, how much did you get out of Burst? Inquiring lawyers are quite curious, given your continual libellous statements.

Really think I am going to tell you? Keep dreaming! You have absolutely no idea what a successful hosting business is worth, and you never will do.

You cannot even afford a lawyer!

Go back to your day job Annette, I hear you are having trouble paying your Alabanza bills. When are they cutting you off?

You really can't manage even a "reseller" operation, eh? Shame :)

Keep going, Peter. Your cluelessness is a wonder to behold. However, your ability to provide the ammunition that is used against you is simply astounding.

Same deal as always - put up proof of your claims, or retract them. We are all still waiting for any sort of evidence of any of your claims, from long ago and now from today.

Sorry folks - no more responding to this boy from me. As always, reasonable people can tell the facts for themselves, Peter - a fact to which people of your ilk are oblivious.

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Annette
Hosting Matters, Inc.
http://www.hostmatters.com

[This message has been edited by Annette (edited 08-08-2000).]

Oh No!! You know things have really deteriorated when Davey, also known as, the worst host on the planet, crawls out from underneath his rock.

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Nashoba
Wolves are cool, run with the pack

Originally posted by Scumface:
Keep going, Peter. Your cluelessness is a wonder to behold. However, your ability to provide the ammunition that is used against you is simply astounding.


You obviously have personal or mental problems.

"Same deal as always - put up proof of your claims, or retract them. We are all still waiting for any sort of evidence of any of your claims, from long ago and now from today."

I have not made any claims other than you are a fraudster and a lying piece of scum. You have committed libel many, many times and have no proof to back it up. So shut up.

"Sorry folks - no more responding to this boy from me."

Looks like you know, for once, when you are proven wrong.

If you think I have done anything illegal then go ahead and file a lawsuit. Otherwise shut up and get a job.

Originally posted by Nashoba:
Oh No!! You know things have really deteriorated when Davey, also known as, the worst host on the planet, crawls out from underneath his rock.

Do you want to provide your real name, or even an email address? If not then do not make accusations. True Hosting has always been a fantastic web host and a leader in the marketplace. This will continue under the ownership of BurstNET. Get used to it.

Sorry, one more thing before this thread is abandoned completely. From the rules for this forum, agreed to when registering:

"You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this BB to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law. "

"We at this BB also reserve the right to reveal your identity (or whatever information we know about you) in the event of a complaint or legal action arising from any message posted by you."

I would suggest to Matt, short of anything that qualifies as backing for these ridiculous claims by my personal troll, that these posts are in violation of the rules of the road, as they qualify as "knowingly false and/or defamatory". My followups can be removed along with Peter's ramblings.

For those interested: http://www.technogirl.net/99tales/weaselboy.htm

That's all, folks.

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Annette
Hosting Matters, Inc.
http://www.hostmatters.com

Davey, I am not making accusations. I know first hand of your crappy business known as True Hosting. I'm one of your EX-customers. Because you have a habit of mailbombing people I will not give you my email address.

I can't believe that after all that you have pulled, you are still under the delusion that you ran a fantastic company. You may be able to delude yourself, fortunately, everyone here knows what you are.

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Nashoba
Wolves are cool, run with the pack

Originally posted by Annette:
Got it in one, Duster.

I knew you would. I like fast women! ;-D

I'm out of this discussion. It has gone from bad to worse. Wolves howling is one thing, but when the jackasses start braying, it gets intolerable.

LOL. Great minds?

Anyhow, "Davey's" appearance just helps sinks what was already a torpedoed/useless thread. Always a nice show when people are willing to pull their pants down in public, though, eh? Helps eliminate certain confusions that might exist.

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Annette
Hosting Matters, Inc.
http://www.hostmatters.com

a lot happens when youve been offline a few hours dont it lol. I'm also proof that his service was ****** but this thread is about thinkhost right? well lets leave it with them or close the thread.

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Kind Regards
Edward Dalladay
Email - eddie@kchat.org or DjSy99@netscape.net
Web Address - http://www.kchat.org or http://www.flashtechnics.com

Scumface - Shame you cannot keep to your promise of not responding to this thread anymore - would have kept everyone from having to put up with your stupid ramblings.

The phrase "knowingly false and/or defamatory" describes all your lies perfectly. Care to present ANY evidence to back up your pathetic claims? Thought not.

"Always a nice show when people are willing to pull their pants down in public, though, eh"

I think that how you get your thrills is your own business and we do not want to know.

Nashoba - Want to back up your accusation of mailbombing? Either provide your real name and details so legal proceedings can be made against you or shut up.

"you are still under the delusion that you ran a fantastic company". A "delusion"? That's not what over 2500 customers thought, is it? Go back to your fantasy land.

Again: back up your idiotic claims with evidence and your real details or shut up. Why stay anonymous if you are confident in what you are saying?

"I'm also proof that his service was ******"

You are a liar.

You had trouble paying for our service, and we cut you off. Then you falsely claimed to have sent us an invoice (fraudulently, for no service provided) which to date has still not arrived. Weird, eh? Did you or did you not send an invoice?

Go back to reselling and spamming, kid.

Davey your a 110% liar lol - i had the domain http://www.chattechnics.co.uk hosted with you wasnt happy with your service and left didnt get kicked i moved my domain and stuff before telling you i was leaving. then something that ive not told nobody bar my flat mate malcolm you tryed obtaining rights to my domain through nomimnet because one of there reps phoned cyberquest who had control of then to find out if you was who you said you was and cyberquest called me and nothing further happened.

and what is wrong with resellers ?. not everyone in the world is super rich and you have to start somewhere.

answer a question for me davey -(probably get banned for posting this as its rude) - can you climb metal ? if not howd you make it out of the abortion bucket ?

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Kind Regards
Edward Dalladay
Email - eddie@kchat.org or DjSy99@netscape.net
Web Address - http://www.kchat.org or http://www.flashtechnics.com

Originally posted by FlashTechnics:
Davey your a 110% liar lol

We both know who the liar is. YOU.

hosted with you wasnt happy with your service and left didnt get kicked

No - you were kicked off our service because you were unable to pay for the service. You were give repeated warnings.

i moved my domain and stuff before telling you i was leaving.

You are a liar. Your site was shut down and was offline until you managed to find a host you could afford.

then something that ive not told nobody bar my flat mate malcolm you tryed obtaining rights to my domain through nomimnet

No we did not. My company is not and has never been a member of Nominet and we have nothing to do with them.

because one of there reps phoned cyberquest who had control of then to find out if you was who you said you was and cyberquest called me and nothing further happened.

You are both clueless and lying. We have never contacted Nominet on ANY matter - our company has never had anything to do with them.

and what is wrong with resellers ?. not everyone in the world is super rich and you have to start somewhere.

Do you ever wonder what the reason is that you are not successful? Because you do not provide a decent service. If you provided a good service like True Hosting provided then you would be able to afford your own servers and staff rather than sharing a flat with someone named "malcom".

answer a question for me davey -(probably get banned for posting this as its rude) - can you climb metal ? if not howd you make it out of the abortion bucket ?

Your level of humour makes me feel very sorry for you.

I was with your service for 11 days. when billing is due end of each month, so how did i get repeated warnings?. Exactly your not a member that is why nominet contacted cyberquest duh on you. and sorry i spelt his name wrong its malcolm. Sharing a flat as a student and living a student live is a normal life. now ill ask you get a life go and use that money burstNET gave you and go hire one of the street workers.

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Kind Regards
Edward Dalladay
Email - eddie@kchat.org or DjSy99@netscape.net
Web Address - http://www.kchat.org or http://www.flashtechnics.com

Originally posted by FlashTechnics:
I was with your service for 11 days. when billing is due end of each month, so how did i get repeated warnings?.

Payment is due at the START of service, NOT at the end of the month. You had the account a lot longer than 11 days before we shut you down.

Exactly your not a member that is why nominet contacted cyberquest duh on you.

No. We have NEVER contacted Nominet on any matter as we have never needed to. You are an incompetant liar.

and sorry i spelt his name wrong its malcolm.

You should take a reading-and-writing class at your little school.

Sharing a flat as a student and living a student live is a normal life. now ill ask you get a life go and use that money burstNET gave you and go hire one of the street workers.

How I use my money is my own business. None of yours. Go and open that next tin of cold baked beans, kid.

Yes davey i should goto school but i find it hard to study as ive got learning diffculties but at least im trying to better myself rather than tormenting people left right and center.

It moved after 11 days not my fault you didnt close the account when asked to. And i wasnt going to play the fax game and waist paper on you. we argued for bout 2 months in emails before you got bought out/sold truehosting.

And to this day i only have 1 outstanding bill and thats too you and guess what your not getting a penny you weasel. And ive been paying for hosting now over a year.



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Kind Regards
Edward Dalladay
Email - eddie@kchat.org or DjSy99@netscape.net
Web Address - http://www.kchat.org or http://www.flashtechnics.com

Originally posted by FlashTechnics:
It moved after 11 days not my fault you didnt close the account when asked to. And i wasnt going to play the fax game and waist paper on you. we argued for bout 2 months in emails before you got bought out/sold truehosting.

And to this day i only have 1 outstanding bill and thats too you and guess what your not getting a penny you weasel. And ive been paying for hosting now over a year.

You should try and find some cheap hosting that you can afford to actually pay for.

Where is the invoice you claimed to have sent us? Answer that.

Ummm hosting strange i can afford hosting - the invoice is now back in my draw i can re-send it if you gimme an addie that works this time and drop the us - cos theres no us its just you.


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Kind Regards
Edward Dalladay
Email - eddie@kchat.org or DjSy99@netscape.net
Web Address - http://www.kchat.org or http://www.flashtechnics.com

Originally posted by FlashTechnics:
Ummm hosting strange i can afford hosting - the invoice is now back in my draw i can re-send it if you gimme an addie that works this time and drop the us - cos theres no us its just you.

You had our address. You NEVER sent the invoice, because you knew we would have you arrested and prosecuted for fraud. We called your bluff.

And no - my company was not just me. Do you think I could manage a successful web hosting service with over 2500 customers by myself?

No that is why you sold all your clients cos you could not cope - a large company wouldnt sell up if they where doing so well.

gimme your addie through email ill send it first thing.

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Kind Regards
Edward Dalladay
Email - eddie@kchat.org or DjSy99@netscape.net
Web Address - http://www.kchat.org or http://www.flashtechnics.com

Originally posted by FlashTechnics:
No that is why you sold all your clients cos you could not cope - a large company wouldnt sell up if they where doing so well.

gimme your addie through email ill send it first thing.


That is false. How could I "not cope"?? I got a very attractive offer and so sold. It is that simple. Why else would I sell, huh?

I am not going to give you my address.

*cough* Bluff *cough*

Originally posted by Davey:

Nashoba - Want to back up your accusation of mailbombing? Either provide your real name and details so legal proceedings can be made against you or shut up.

Bwah hahhahahahahaha "legal proceedings". Stop! you're killing me!! Really, You crack me up. Have you ever thought of taking your act on the road? You're hilarious! Hahahahahahahahahaha
hmmm, but maybe a little too predictable. I bet your next joke will go something like "you won't be laughing after the authorites are finished with you".

Oh well, still the legal proceedings thing is pretty funny. I am tempted to give you my real address just so I can get one of those "official letters" from your "official lawyers" that others have received.

Nashoba - Either provide your full name and address and prepare to be sued or shut up.

FlashTechnics - I have not bluffed. You claimed again and again that you had sent us your fraudulent invoice but now you admit that it never left your drawer, if it even exists.

Originally posted by Davey:
Nashoba - Either provide your full name and address and prepare to be sued or shut up.


Ooooh you got some new material!!



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Nashoba
Wolves are cool, run with the pack

Sorry, this is so funny that I have to interject:

"Davey", Eddie is saying he has an invoice FROM you, not TO you. That's why he said you won't be getting a penny.

Details, details. Geez.

hehe

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Annette
Hosting Matters, Inc.
http://www.hostmatters.com

[This message has been edited by Annette (edited 08-08-2000).]

Either provide your real name and address or shut up.

Davey its here right in front of me with the name Weasel boy and a white sticker over the address that dont exisit so gimme the addie and its all yours or am i gonna be sued could of sworn the court date got fixed ill ask webnetics to repoint fthosting for me so i can get the email from webmaster@fthosting.co.uk stored on everyone.net.

Originally posted by Davey:
Either provide your real name and address or shut up.

Oh well, guess you ran out of material already. By the way, I don't take orders from the likes of YOU.



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Nashoba
Wolves are cool, run with the pack

You obviously know what will happen if you provide your details - you will be sued.

Shut up until you dare to provide these.

Cool. Then I can add him/her to the list of the all the others still waiting, LOL.

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Annette
Hosting Matters, Inc.
http://www.hostmatters.com

Originally posted by Annette:
Cool. Then I can add him/her to the list of the all the others still waiting, LOL.

There is no "list", scumface.

Do you enjoy jail? Because you must have been in one your whole life. And you will be going back very soon.

LOL. You know the list: http://www.technogirl.net/99tales/suing_lies.htm

Remember that one? Some people have been waiting over a year, Peter. Shame on you for keeping them waiting. And I'm sure that Colossus and NetCheck are still quaking in their boots from your supposed legal action against them.

It's always a laugh riot with you around.

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Annette
Hosting Matters, Inc.
http://www.hostmatters.com

That is your fraudulent creation. We do not have any "list" of people who we have taken action against.

Colossus has gone down the drain and they are unable to provide any decent level of service to anyone (they were quite bad to start with). That is their own problem that they cannot manage their own little business.

The whole reason you got kicked off your previous two web hosts (including True Hosting) was because of your fraudulent claims and illegal activities. Won't you ever learn?

Answer this: how many employees do you have?

I will answer for you: NONE. You are a one-man-scam.

Thanks for posting yet again, Peter. I see that you've learned nothing in all of this time. Keep it coming, though. As it happens, for those people still reading this garbage, they can read the written word at technogirl.net and understand why we left (actually, I suppose they could figure that out right here). ValueWeb, however, was far and away a better host. We liked them and would have stayed there had we not gotten out on our own. They were exponentially superior to you, in all ways, and it was certainly a more pleasant experience with them. In fact, I still recommend them to people - that's how much we liked their service. Yours, however...well, we know how that story ends.

BTW, have you ever in your life done research on anyone? Looking up records is quite simple. Anyone with half a brain can look up myself, or Stephanie (yes, that staff that you continually claim does not exist), or this company and what will they see? A big blank page. Your claims are as substantive as mist - fitting, given that you are prone to wild accusations without evidence.

As I told Duster, it's been amusing, but this stuff gets stale when it's a rehash of the past year's activity. But if you have any more wild claims to make, please do so here. It's all collected, including IPs (oh, and I loved the "Go F*ck Yourself" blank messages you sent to support, btw - even saved the maillog along with the mails as evidence of your harrassment after I complained to your ISP). You are not smart enough to hide your tracks, Peter.

Toodles.

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Annette
Hosting Matters, Inc.
http://www.hostmatters.com

If you actually think anybody believes your fraud then you are sadly mistaken.

Has it not occured to you exactly why nobody has joined your attempt at a hosting service? Because you suck. Period. Nobody wants to do business with you - everyone knows what a loser and a fraud you are.

It is strange that if you have complained to my ISP like you claim why I have not heard anything from them. Either you did not even contact them or you know that you are lying. I have not sent any messages to you, and you do not even have "support".

I had someone contact ValueWeb to inform them of your fraudulent activites but they had already gotten enough complaints against you to send you packing.

Go try and scam someone else, because nobody wants to host with you! Why do you think that in under a year we amassed over 2500 customers and you have NONE?? Think about it. We had REAL staff, REAL support, and REAL service. Your effort stinks!

Thanks! Keep proving my point for me.

Oh yeah - if I contact ValueWeb, will they have a record of such a contact regarding my site? Who did you get to join you in your fantasy? Regarding all the mail: I could post the excerpts from the maillog and access log, complete with an IP that you've posted with and sent mail with in the past - would you like that? Plus the contents of the mail? How about it? Speak up, Peter. :)

[This message has been edited by Annette (edited 08-08-2000).]

I assume they will do - but I do not run that company so I have no idea.

Do you actually have ANY users of your "service"?

Well, you just said that we don't. Make up your mind.

I want to see whether you can admit that fact. Can you? Or are you going to pretend you have been as successful as my company?

Heh. You're a case, really. Yep, we have real, live clients, and real live staff. Refreshing to have honesty from a host, isn't it?

I will be checking with ValueWeb. If they have no record of any contact regarding my site, you'd better be prepared to cough up the name of this person who supposedly contacted them. Alternately, you can admit right here and now that you are creating this whole charade of yours simply out of spite for the organized nature of the effort of many of us to expose you for what you are.

So, how about those maillogs/access logs? Ready to see them and admit you are lying through your teeth? No?

ValueWeb were contacted about your behaviour and that is why they shut you down.

Nobody has "exposed" me or my company, there is nothing wrong with us.

You do not have any mail or access logs that show anything to do with me. Again - you are a lying piece of scum.

How many clients do you have? Answer it if you are so "honest". And I mean REAL clients, not fictional ones.

OK, we'll check with them and find out, shall we? You can explain why they cheerfully refunded the unused portions of the fees for two domains and why we left on good terms - and why I would continue to recommend them. But that's a story for another day.

We're not releasing the number of current clients we have. But I certainly wouldn't expect to have 5000 clients after two months, as I am a realist. It's a great business in which to be if you can treat people with the respect and courtesy that they deserve. Ahem.

Excerpt from access logs:
193.113.185.171 - - [10/Jun/2000:08:51:01 -0400] "POST /cp/rac/emailsupport.html HTTP/1.0" 200 3895 "http://cpaneldemo.hostmatters.com/cp/rac/emailsupport.html?exDomainPackageID=21&exLanguage=english" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98; Creative)"
193.113.185.171 - - [10/Jun/2000:08:51:10 -0400] "POST /cp/rac/emailsupport.html HTTP/1.0" 200 3895 "http://cpaneldemo.hostmatters.com/cp/rac/emailsupport.html?exDomainPackageID=21&exLanguage=english" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98; Creative)"
193.113.185.171 - - [10/Jun/2000:08:51:14 -0400] "POST /cp/rac/emailsupport.html HTTP/1.0" 200 3895 "http://cpaneldemo.hostmatters.com/cp/rac/emailsupport.html?exDomainPackageID=21&exLanguage=english" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98; Creative)"
193.113.185.171 - - [10/Jun/2000:08:51:18 -0400] "POST /cp/rac/emailsupport.html HTTP/1.0" 200 3895 "http://cpaneldemo.hostmatters.com/cp/rac/emailsupport.html?exDomainPackageID=21&exLanguage=english" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98; Creative)"
193.113.185.171 - - [10/Jun/2000:08:51:19 -0400] "POST /cp/rac/emailsupport.html HTTP/1.0" 200 3895 "http://cpaneldemo.hostmatters.com/cp/rac/emailsupport.html?exDomainPackageID=21&exLanguage=english" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98; Creative)"

Excerpt from maillog:
Jun 10 08:51:01 host sendmail[5984]: IAA05984: from=<www@db9.dedicatedns.com>,
size=680, class=0, pri=30680, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200006101251.IAA09235@db9.dedi
catedns.com>, proto=ESMTP, relay=db9.dedicatedns.com [209.239.49.28]
Jun 10 08:51:01 host sendmail[5986]: IAA05984: to=<support@hostmatters.com>, d
elay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=procmail, relay=horatio, stat=Sent
Jun 10 08:51:11 host sendmail[5994]: IAA05994: from=<www@db9.dedicatedns.com>,
size=680, class=0, pri=30680, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200006101251.IAA09238@db9.dedi
catedns.com>, proto=ESMTP, relay=db9.dedicatedns.com [209.239.49.28]
Jun 10 08:51:11 host sendmail[5996]: IAA05994: to=<support@hostmatters.com>, d
elay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=procmail, relay=horatio, stat=Sent

inetnum: 193.113.185.0 - 193.113.185.127
netname: BT-CORPORATE

Mail:
Subject: GO F*CK YOURSELF
YOU ARE GONNA BE PUT OF BUSINESS.

(Got 19 of those, courtesy of you).

Oh, and the altered index page (your trademark "fraud" crap) on the demo account also has the same timeframe and the same IP.

Now, if we check BT's access records for that time period, will we find your account? Hmm?

Tsk, tsk.

Time to get some real work done instead of toying with you....Let us all know when you're ready to admit that there's no substance to your claims, or if you want to keep making them. No difference to me - I'll just add them to the collection.

Cheerio.

Prove it.

I have not sent you any mail, scum. Neither have I used your control panel.

You are a fraud. Simple as that.

The reason you will not admit how many clients you have is that you do not have ANY. That is why you cannot afford to pay your server bills. You will be cut off before long anyway.

Hehe.

That is a very convincing response.

Cannot think up any way to get out of it this time, eh?

I have just read through all four pages of this thread and I have to say that this has to be the most pathetic thread this board has *ever* had. If there has been a more painful thread to read through, then I surely do not want to know about it.

This is way, way, way beyond horrible. Horrible was the first page, and maybe some of the second. At this point, I can't even come up with an adjective to describe this. I don't care who is right or wrong.

*throws up*

Hehe. Well, I guess we'll just have to see if our servers are still up after awhile. What kind of timeframe are you talking here, Peter? When exactly will we be shut down? I need to know, you see, since we have no notification like the one you got from Colossus and then Alabanza telling you to sod off. So give us all a date, Peter. Then we'll check. See - this is how people generally gather data on the validity of future claims.

Give me another post here, then I'll call it quits with you. Heck, I'll even generously let you have the last post, so make it better than your run of the mill cracked claims, would you, if your imagination will stretch that far. And make sure to post every claim that you're going to make about me or our company, so I can be sure that the collection is complete. We'll make sure that one of our demands is that you publicly retract all of these statements with the same forcefulness with which you made them.

Toodles, boy.

I have heard that you are being shut down, that is all. Both from law enforcement and also Alabanza.

Our company never got told to "sod off" from Colossus nor Alabanza. Get your facts right.

"We'll make sure that one of our demands is that you publicly retract all of these statements with the same forcefulness with which you made them."

LOL. Who are you going to demand this to, and how are you going to make me? You live in a dreamland.

Do you honestly believe you can force me to do ANYTHING you say? Forget it, loser.

Do we have to start this again?

I'm going to London in November. Davey, we should have a drink. I'd love to meet you face to face.

23 Bedford St. Neots, right? Just outside Cambridge? Just a hop and pop up the M11 and then down St. Neots.

He lives with his Dad, Leslie Francis-MacRae, at the above address.

His phone # is: 011-44-7974-784512.

My ordeal with this piece of work can be found at
www.periscopeonline.net (http://www.periscopeonline.net)

Go to the above URL, click on my mug, then scroll down to WELCOME TO HELL.

The link to the thread in which members of this forum pretty much ran him out of the business is under:

"THE ENGLISHMAN WHO WENT UP A HILL AND CAME DOWN WITHOUT ANY CUSTOMERS"

Joey St. John-Ryan
Seattle, WA

Geez, I'm away for 24 hours and look what happens to this gawd-damn thread.

Matt : shut this thread down and delete it.

Davey : do I have to whinge to your ISP again? And if you want us to post our full names and addresses, why not do the same for yourself, just for our own benefit. Or are you gonna wimp out and fire more useless salvos, thus proving Annette's points (for the umpteenth time)?

Annette : it's clear : idiocy rules the day.

At least Vlad's avoided this thread ;) LOL

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"Joey" - No, I do not wish to "have a drink" with you. And no I do not live anywhere near Cambridge (right country, completely wrong area). Shame, huh? And no, I do not "live with my Dad".

"ran him out of the business".

You call over 2500 customers and growing at over 15 per day as going out of business? I sold out, thanks.

BC - Funny. My ISP has never taken any notice of you so far so what makes you think they will do this time?

Still haven't answered my request Davey. Look again. Btw, are you in the US for any particular reason? (maybe having a little chat to *cough**hack*Burst**hack**cough* about the merger?)

Just to jump off the topic for a min, would you mind being the subject of my physiology experiment, Davey? I get to write a nice long thesis on what Nitric Oxide does to the skeletal system and its reputed benefits. Was wondering if you'd like to be my subject? Annette and others have refused ;) so you're the only one left.

Pleeeeeeeeeeasssssssssee? :)

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Originally posted by BC:
Still haven't answered my request Davey. Look again.

You did not add that until after I posted my reply, idiot. "This message has been edited by BC".

Wanna file a lawsuit? Let me know and I will give you my address. I have nothing to hide.

Originally posted by BC:
Still haven't answered my request Davey. Look again. Btw, are you in the US for any particular reason? (maybe having a little chat to *cough**hack*Burst**hack**cough* about the merger?)


What are you even talking about? Why would I be chatting to BurstNET? I sold out to them, our companies did not merge. What is your problem?

I beg your pardon, Davey.

You still haven't answered my request. And it has nothing to do with lawsuits.

Originally posted by BC:
I beg your pardon, Davey.

You still haven't answered my request. And it has nothing to do with lawsuits.

What "request"? I have already told you that if you wish to try and take action against me then I will provide you my address if that is what you are going on about.

Read again.

*starts to play twiddlethumbs*

Originally posted by BC:
Read again.

*starts to play twiddlethumbs*

Your nonsense ramblings are starting to sound like like Annette (the fraudster).

Read again Davey.

And yes, I sound like Annette because I'm really certifiably insane and love mud wrestling :)

Originally posted by BC:
Read again Davey.

And yes, I sound like Annette because I'm really certifiably insane and love mud wrestling :)

You are a loser.

Read again Davey.

And yes, I'm a loser, but then, so are all of us ;)

(watches all the mud being flung into the arena by other irate onlookers) :D

Keep posting, you may eventually figure out how stupid you look.

I wanna mud wrestle Davey. I won't hurt him too much, I promise.

Um, Davey, you signed for a Fed-Ex at 23 Bedford St. Neots, Cambridgeshire. I have the JPEG of your signature. Actually, to be fair, it's Peter Francis-MacRae's signature. But let's not start that again.

Sure Davey! I'd be delighted to...

Btw, stupid means nothing to me. I'm stupid by nature :D

(edit) For your benefit, Davey
You still haven't answered my request.
(/edit)

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Originally posted by FlashTechnics:
i want to fill a lawsuit give me your address :).



What do you want to fill it with? Get a proper keyboard, kid.

See i make spelling mistakes cos im doing multiple tasks understand what that is ?. stop avoiding the issue and hand out your real address so i can F I L E (there ya go) a lawsuit against ya and give you an invoice :).

I have been watching this thread... what a waste of time. What is it with you guys - you just need that last sentence heh? This is one of the things that the Internet has attracted... Behind your little computer safe and unknown no one can see you, your confidence is given a little boost, you feel strong... etc. Why why why behave in a such a way like this?

tss... it DOES tell me more of you than anything else.

"Joey". I do not mud wrestle, I am not a pig. And no, I have never lived anywhere in "Cambridgeshire". And no, I am not Peter Whatever. You are avery sad and disturbing individual judging by your posts. You do NOT have my address nor my signature loser!

BC - Your posts are boring.

Please close this thread. Do we really have to drag Davey out of the grave, where he belongs?

Originally posted by triumph595:
Please close this thread. Do we really have to drag Davey out of the grave, where he belongs?

Someone must've accidentally said his name three times.

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Wolves are cool, run with the pack

i want to fill a lawsuit give me your address :).

Have nothing really to add, just wanted to join the fun :)

I'm just going to say that when I saw the furor arise yesterday, I made a mental prediction that the number of posts would hit 100 by 11 pm last night. Looks like I was right. :-)

Feel free to carry on, or not, as you choose.

You obviously do not have the intelligence to do more than one task at a time, so do not bother trying. Your punctuation leaves a lot of room for improvement and accuracy.

Here you go:

David Jarvis
14 Pinewood Drive
Brandon
Suffolk
IP27 0HF

That is my home address, and I have even put on my postcode so you can get it here extra quick.

You do not have the intelligence, money, nor the ability to file a lawsuit. When can I expect my court summons? Tell me a date. Haha!

Wow, 5 pages in 2 days :)

To be honest this is one of the most pathetic and dumb posts I have ever seen before.

ThinkHost: Stop spamming all webdev boards in order to promote your company. Your services may be good but trust me, there are plenty of companies who are 10x times btter than you no matter what you say.

What you call getting feedback from others, I call self-promoting and spam. Fine, you posted this message at SP forums, Webmaster-Forums, GetHigh Forums, but it doesn't stop there... you have to post the same message at about 4 other forums. Wherever I go, I see the same stupid message from you.

Why don't you just browse the archives? You'll find everything you need in there.

Anyway, I really think that this post should be closed before it gets any worse (if that's even possible).

That's my 0.02 cents :)

Boris http://echowebhq.com/

Not going to file a lawsuit just wanted your real address so that i can send you this invoice :).

Also its a high life u lead living on a council estate

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I do not live on a council estate, for your information. I have a very nice house, with a very nice garden, in a pleasant area.

Go back to sharing your little hole with "malcolm". You cannot even afford to rent your own flat!!

Quite honestly, I think this thread could go worser than the TH thread, believe it or not. However, just for today, I've got better things to do such as bleating my own trumpet and having some fun with me g/f, so toodle do doo :)

And thank you, Boris, for dragging the discussion back on-topic. I do hope Vlad's taken notice of what he's done from NYC and will avoid such discussions from this time on. :rolleyes:

Nice talking to you Davey, but :

1. You seem to have run out of ramblings - you still haven't answered my request yet
2. I've got better things to do just today. Mind if we resume the mud wrestling tomorrow? :D

Outta here - hi and bye :cool:

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lol @ Davey thats funny i work for the council and looking on the national database your street is slap bang in the middle of one. The invoice will be mailed first thing friday morning when i get chance to get near a mailbox, I dont mind childish games beats the ass of updating http://www.bradford.gov.uk.



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Edward Dalladay
Email - eddie@kchat.org or DjSy99@netscape.net
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