For the last month and a half, I've had a server at SNC Hosting (www.snchosting.com). If you didn't already know, SNC is a reseller of Foonet/Httpd (www.httpd.net).

My initial thought is "bleh..reseller". (I've had bad experiences in the past :)), but after actually trying him I found it to be quite different.

My initial reason for going with SNC was price/reputation. I knew I wanted a server from foonet, but I just couldn't see myself shelling out $400+/m for a personal server. SNC had servers at half the price. I had also heard great things about foonets filtering, and had previously heard good things about Sharpnet,(www.sharpnet.net) Devons shell hosting buisness.

So, after I ordered my server, it was up and online within 24 hours. I wanted a linux based OS so I decided to go with Debian. The problem there, is Devon doesn't know Debian really well. Problem? Not really, there is another tech I can contact who is really..really smart (I mean really). Problem with him, is sometimes he was a little hard to get a hold of.

The server I ordered was a 1.2ghz. The server I recieved was a 1ghz. I let him know, he immediately offered to take some money off my monthly fee, or to increase bandwidth. I chose to increase bandwidth.

So a few weeks go by, everything is pretty good (much better than all of my other servers), but not as good as it could be. I was suprised at how much he seemed to care when my server was doing badly. He suggested that I install FreeBSD because that's what he was good at, and that way he'd be able to help me with anything I'd need.

So everything is going pretty good, support is ok, not great, network is good, again, not great. When It was nearing the end of the month, I wasn't sure wether I was going to stay for the next month. And to make matters worse, Devon disappeared for a few hours one day where I needed to get a hold of him. This made me pretty mad. When he got back, I discussed it with him, and he was more than willing to sort things out.

He gave me a few other ways to contact him 24/7 if there was ever a problem again. After talking to him about it for a while, I decided I would give him another month. Well, needless to say, he gave me my next month FREE. I couldn't believe it. He did what he had to do to keep me as a client. That makes me think he really cares, and isn't out just to get my money.

So not only did I get a new fully managed server. I also got my correct cpu this time (1.2ghz), and a bigger hard drive (20gb more). AND, not only did he let me keep my bandwidth limit for using the 1.0ghz cpu, he increased it! (25% more) He also gave me 62 ips..for free. And for all the trouble with moving servers, he took 13% off my bill for the next month that I had to pay.

It's been roughly 5 days since I was moved to my new server. He installed EVERYTING I asked for. He even stepped me through installing things (via watch). He's taking care of my server like it was his own which is un-heard of in the webhosting buisness (for the price I pay).

Recently his bandwidth price was lowered. Do I goto him and say "Hey, your getting your bandwidth cheaper, you should give me more". No, he comes to me, tells me about it, and is talking about giving me MORE!

So, to re-cap, at first, I wasn't sure wether this would be the company for me. Now, I'll use it to compare other companies to. I definately cannot say anything bad about my server/the network/devon.

I'm 100% satisfied, and I think every company out there (sorry if this offends anyone) should take tips from SNC on how to TRULY please a customer.

I HIGHLY recommend Devon. He'll work with you to suit your needs..I just hope everything stays as great as it is right now.

A few months ago I was about to draw the conclusion that you _cannot_ have it all when it comes to hosting IRC...I've prooved myself wrong.

Anyway, sorry for the long post, I just thought you'd want to know the whole story and I'll let you decide for yourself.

Nice review. He seems to be quite confident in his services here @ WHT and with a review like this it seems he has reason to be.

I think it says what kind of guy he is by doing everything possible to correct his mistakes and make you happy. :)

Before you are foolish enough to believe a single word of the above advertisement I strongly suggest you go to shellreview.com. Search through and read the feedback forums there.

Devon Dunham (owner of Sharpnet and SNC) is a child. I mean that literally. He's about 16 years old. He has had more problems with customers and competitors than I could possibly count.

I won't go into detail. Go read for yourself. Pay special attention to how he treats customers that aren't happy when the QoS falls through the floor.

Another fact of interest, Devon moved his servers off of Foonet about a year or so ago crying about how over priced Paul's service (Foonet) was. He tried to run his servers on a UUnet T1 and failed miserably. I find this fact funny since he spends so much time bashing other providers on this forum who do actually run their own network.


Buyer Beware!

I remember those days, seems hes grown out of them. /shrug who knows, or cares. He's doing ok.

I obviously have a reply.

Others might have had problems with him, yes. I have had great experiences with him, I was simply sharing them.

Yes, he is 17. If a 17 year old can run a buisness better than most of his competitors, then more power to him. It's not like he was hiding his age from me. I feel confident putting my money in his hands.

I can't believe you'd be so naive to belive that peoples opinions can't change with webhosts. Say they are overpriced. You think you can do better else where. You try it..you see that Foonet really IS worth what you pay, and you move back.

And hold on, advertisement? I'm not advertising for him, I feel bad for you if you haven't had as good experience as I had, or else you might feel the way I do. SNC IS the best host I've ever had..and I'll let anyone/everyone know about it.

I may not know about his past as much as you, nor do I care. I care what I'm getting now, and right now the service is outstanding.

# Edit - Typo

Sorry, I have something else to say.

You act like "whatever is said on shellreview.com goes".

I can compare it with WHT, in that people do post both positive and negative things about companies. It seems as though people like you only take the negative ones to be fact, or you wouldn't call those reading my post "foolish".

Anyway, I'm interested in your reply. I guess I would feel better about the situation if you didn't compare the way he runs his shell hosting company to the way he runs his dedicated server company. And if you actually were a client of SNC, you (like me), would have nothing but good things to say.

Thanks for the comments everyone. Things are going to get a lot smoother within the next coming months.

Hello,

"Before you are foolish enough to believe a single word of the above advertisement I strongly suggest you go to shellreview.com. Search through and read the feedback forums there."

I beg to differ. kfreak is a good friend of mine and he hosts my IRC network for free (and I host his websites for free in exchange). The network is solid a side from the OS switch (to FreeBSD) because obviously the server had to go down.

He also hosts my bncs and a lot of my friends and I tell you that kfreak's box certainly ins't crap or I would notice since I'm on my IRC network a lot and so are around 60 other people.

Compare the last ones (which sucked hard, sorry kfreak!) we all ping timeout left and right, now we do not face this problem.

As for it being an advertisement, you're sadly mistaken. Like I said, kfreak has hosted my IRC server for over 4 months, and I know all about the ex-providers he's had because my network suffered downtime. I was there while he complained and I complained to him about the downtime. He, like most, wasted a lot of money bouncing from providers (don't we all?) and whoever this guy uses, foonet, boonet, kidnet, whichevernet, they're stable as heck compared to the rest I've ever used.

If I had bought the providers he used to have to host IRC too I would be posting a review about this guy myself, because the others were about as bad as @Webhost was when I used them for webhosting.

Seems now days only good reviews are seen as spam/ads but negative ones are welcomed. What a pitty that is since it's becoming so true.

Thank you and good day.

People change. However, I know next to nothing about Devon.

Originally posted by Dragoon
Before you are foolish enough to believe a single word of the above advertisement I strongly suggest you go to shellreview.com. Search through and read the feedback forums there.

Devon Dunham (owner of Sharpnet and SNC) is a child. I mean that literally. He's about 16 years old. He has had more problems with customers and competitors than I could possibly count.

I won't go into detail. Go read for yourself. Pay special attention to how he treats customers that aren't happy when the QoS falls through the floor.

Another fact of interest, Devon moved his servers off of Foonet about a year or so ago crying about how over priced Paul's service (Foonet) was. He tried to run his servers on a UUnet T1 and failed miserably. I find this fact funny since he spends so much time bashing other providers on this forum who do actually run their own network.


Buyer Beware!

Originally posted by kfreak
I obviously have a reply.

Others might have had problems with him, yes. I have had great experiences with him, I was simply sharing them.

Yes, he is 17. If a 17 year old can run a buisness better than most of his competitors, then more power to him. It's not like he was hiding his age from me. I feel confident putting my money in his hands.

# Edit - Typo

I hope for his sake he is not 17 - minors are not allowed to enter into contracts. Whoever his merchant is should not have allowed him to sign up, unless he is using his parents name on the account.

I cant post what I dont know as in Devons past as an admin but I can post what I do know his present and future. I run the network Rizon. We have 2 foonet servers hosted at SNC hosting Kfreaks and another. The other has done absolutly great. Kfreaks was a little rough getting off the ground and I made comments to him about it. He then gave me devons aim name and I began talking with him about it as well. He acted very mature for his age and handled the situation in a very professional manner. The server was fixed up and was running very well to our likings. He also gave kfreak some free server time for his downtime. I have had over 10 different dedicated servers and know how most companies work. One that charges this kind of money for a nice server would usually not even talk to its user about this problem and tell the person its $60/hr if they want anything done. This is just the opposite of how this was handled. I have plans to buy a dedicated server within next couple of weeks and SNC hosting is definatly on my top priority list as one of the server places i may buy from.

As for 17yrs not being able to make a contract this is false. 17 years can make anny contract an 18yr old can. But a 17yr old is not allowed to be held to legal bindings of the contract unless the contract is on something that is a necessity such as food or clothing. If a 17yr old wishes to break a contract that does not contain a necessity all they must do is sy so and the contract is disoluted and everything goes back to how it was before the contract was made. Although I do believe that foonet has a contract that requires you to be 18 which means devon would have to use a parent or guardians athority.

Originally posted by Nessun

As for 17yrs not being able to make a contract this is false. 17 years can make anny contract an 18yr old can. But a 17yr old is not allowed to be held to legal bindings of the contract unless the contract is on something that is a necessity such as food or clothing. If a 17yr old wishes to break a contract that does not contain a necessity all they must do is sy so and the contract is disoluted and everything goes back to how it was before the contract was made. Although I do believe that foonet has a contract that requires you to be 18 which means devon would have to use a parent or guardians athority.

What you say is a contradiction. 17 year olds fall under the jurisdiction of their parents or legal guardian, they cannot legally speak for themselves. Any merchant account he made would have been under false pretenses unless one of his parent's was the PRIMARY account holder and he was an addition on to it.

heh I said one of his parents did as I believe foonet doesnt allow anyone under 18 to make a contract but according to law a 17 yr old can make a contract but if they wish to disolve it they can just by saying so. If you are under 18 yrs of age go buy a shirt and try and take it back to a place that doesnt allow refunds when u buy it u hereby make a contract and since a shirt is a necessity they are not by law required to take it back. on the other hand go buy a non needed item such as a movie and by law they are required to take it back as u are a minor and plead that you know no better. Both contracts but 1 is a necessity. How is that contridicting myself?

I didn't want to post at all in this thread, but I'm dying of curiosity..

What does my age have to do with how I run my business? Everything is legally registered, and taxes aren't fun.

I started this company almost five years ago, and I'm still here going strong today.. Obviously I'm doing something right..

So what's it matter?

I think people should worry more about their own servers/service and less about us.

I think the problem is people are so used to seing the negative they cant take the positive :/

I think ppl are jealous :)

There have been countless threads on this forum about minors entering into business ventures. I am NOT alone in my thinking of people under the age of 18 running their own business. If something went wrong, you couldn't even sue him! You'd have to sue his parents.

heh ive never planned on sueing a person over 100-300 on a dedicated server hell I got screwed out of $700 on 1 server and the time and money it took to sue its not worth it`

My parents wouldn't have anything to do with this either. You would sue the corporation.

Originally posted by SolidJoe
There have been countless threads on this forum about minors entering into business ventures. I am NOT alone in my thinking of people under the age of 18 running their own business. If something went wrong, you couldn't even sue him! You'd have to sue his parents.

um guy i've been reading some posts today i have been busy lately so i have'nt had much time to readon here lately i hav'nt seen you before?

but all i see you doing is advertising for fdc irc severs or services and bashing everyone else

get over it and quit flaming its stupid :eek: :angry:

Please find a thread where I bash someone else's service. All I'm saying is that minors cannot do certain things. Is knowing the law bashing a service?

Originally posted by SolidJoe
Please find a thread where I bash someone else's service. All I'm saying is that minors cannot do certain things. Is knowing the law bashing a service?

let me rephrase it, this was a thread of somone giving thier review on a company it did'nt need your 0.02 on naming laws in effect with the owner etc... you could have made another thread etc...

and also I do believe it was an ezzi.net thread where I was referring to you posting but i'm not going to waste my time searching for it!

Somebody offered their review, and I offered mine. I don't see what is wrong with that. The legal aspect of a company is highly important for potential customers, what does the bandwidth and equipment matter if the legal affairs are not in order? I thought that was the point of this forum, for people to offer their opinions, for people to disagree with them, and then present their own arguments to validate their points. As to me and Ezzi...I searched for my handle and the word Ezzi, and 4 posts showed up, all not bashing them at all. From what I've seen the Ezzi network is fantastic.

Joe : you have'nt used thier services by the sound of it so how can you have a review? ;)

and i'm not here to argue just saying you should'nt crap in his thread, and no I don't have a sever with him just noticed this of you.

I have used the CIT network before. All I offer is my opinion for others to view, so they can make a judgment on their own. But we've clogged this thread enough with OUR debate, so I'll let it go with that.

This post is not an ad. Just me going off inside because of all the times I've been put down by people that've said I'm too young. ;)

I haven't even heard of SNC until about seven minutes ago when I started reading this thread. I just want to say, I am very happy to see this kind of discussion taking place. All the people I've talked with about my own business, have been ecstatic just because I run a website. Let alone a business. I'm 16 years old. Devon is another example of how minors really can set their futures.

For those praising this and that about age, take a look at this thread: Edit: Link removed, don't want to violate the rules.

It may not outline all the legalities of being a minor running a business, it may not represent problems that could arise, but what it does show, is that when it comes down to it, all the customer wants is a satisfactory service. Notice in that thread, many wouldn't even have signed up knowing my age. What matters more, though, is that those same people, are thrilled that they're being hosted by a 16 year old. Read through the thread, not a single dissatisfied customer.

I see the same here with Devon. Kudos to you!

Anybody who rants upon another just because of their age (and possibly the legality of their business), is just a tad bit jealous, no?

Trying to ruin their reputation so you can get the upperhand, I've seen this for quite some time now. No matter who the '16 year old running a business' is, they'll flame up and down just to prove that they should be denied of their hopes (running their business).

Nessun put it well, noone wants to look at the positive side of the argument. No matter how small the negative side, it will always outweigh the positive.

Great job Devon!

Regards,
Matt

SolidJoe is annoying

wah wah ****ing wah

I think this article fell far from the tree in which its point was intentionally aiming for. This article was wrote with intentions of a person kfreak simply trying to say how he felt about his services at snchosting. He said like every network they have there problems but the support was more then willing to help him make his stay with them as best as it could be.

Now in my opinion its rare to see a positive note but its a great thing. One should not always report the bad and in return report the good. Seeing some disagreements with this persons views on snchosting is fully understandable, but to me dragging a persons age into this was a pretty childish attempt to make the company look bad. When looking at a companys info I do not ask how old is the owner. I instead ask how old is the company and how does its clients feel about its network. I then take into consideration distant past experiences may mean something or they mean nothing as a person or company can come a long way in a short time much less how far they can go in a long time. So just viewing this company as its past experiences would also be making a bad decision. Instead I would want to know what its current customers and recent customers thought of there services.

It seems to me not going with a company due to the fact that another person says o the persons only 16 or 17 or whatever they may be is as bad as saying dont go with that company the owners a woman. Would that change my opinion of the company in any way? No but id feel the person saying it was rather childish.

I also think any company that has been around for such times must be doing something right or cant have as many complainsts as you seem to give it or it would not be open at all. Espically with the prices they have to charge due to using foonet lines. Some people may pay for crappy service and keep it such as an fdc server only do to the fact that its very very cheap. But most wont keep a service that is crappy and expensive. And if no one at snchosting kept there stuff there then SNC wouldnt even be alive.

So in short this site to me is a debate about companies not how old or what sex or what color there owner is. It should not be a concern to a person at all.

Age doesn't matter. I know 17 year olds who are more professional than 35 year olds. I am 17 myself and I run a profitable business.

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The Legal Pitfalls of Doing Business with Teens
Lawyer David Baker explains the risks of inking contracts with minors

Contracting with or buying an item from a teenage entrepreneur can put you in a legal minefield. For example, did you know that parents don't have the right to contract for their minor children without court approval? Or that minors and their parents can void a contract for any reason up until the minor's l8th birthday and, in some cases, for two years after that?

In this Apr. 4 interview with Ann Therese Palmer of Business Week's Chicago, David A. Baker, head of the Practice Group for Estate & Trust Litigation at McDermott Will & Emery, explores the legal issues in dealing with these young entrepreneurs. Baker authored the Illinois Continuing Legal Education's Handbook on Estate, Trust and Guardianship. Edited excerpts follow:

Q: Can a minor enter into a legally binding contract?
A: A minor [a person under age l8 in most states] cannot enter into a contract that is legally binding on the minor and a third party as an adult can. They're not old enough to make a contract.

Therefore, if someone -- a corporation, a customer -- contracts with a minor, the contract is voidable by the minor or the minor's guardian before the minor becomes an adult and, in most cases, for a period of two years and sometimes longer [after that]. Voidable means the minor or his guardian can elect, for any reason, not to honor the contract.... There is nothing that a third party [someone contracting with a minor] can do to stop that.

Q: How risky is this for someone contracting with a minor? Can they get their money back?
A: If at the time the minor or guardian seeks to void the contract, the consideration has been converted or consumed, the minor doesn't have an obligation to return the money, stock, or other consideration received. The third party is entirely at risk.

Q: What kind of problems does a teenage entrepreneur who is a minor face?
A: If the teenage entrepreneur is dealing with any intellectual property -- for instance, designing a computer program -- and doesn't have a court-appointed guardian, there could be serious problems.

Most people don't know that there is no common-law or statutory authority for parents or anyone else to bindingly contract for a minor. There are a lot of things parents can do, like signing permission slips...because parents are the legal guardian for personal matters concerning their child. But generally, without court authority, they can't enter into a contract for a minor.

Q: What would you recommend the parent of a teenage entrepreneur do, after a child decides to sell a service or product?
A: First of all, I would apply to the court to be the child's guardian. It's important to realize that there are no inherent powers in a guardian. You don't have inherent authority to do anything.

A guardian, whether it is a parent or another person, has to get specific authority from the court to do anything. Without the court's permission, the guardian doesn't have any power. There are three relationships at issue in this situation -- the court, the minor, and the guardian. The minor is the protected party. The guardian is the implementor. And the court is the safeguard which reviews everything.

Q: How long does this take?
A: In Cook County, generally the appointment of a guardian can be done in a matter of days. The problem may come with getting specific court authority to do things for the minor once you're appointed legal guardian. You have to file a petition with the court every time the guardian wants to do something.

That process would undoubtedly slow down the negotiating process. But it would also ensure that if there was an offer for a minor's product or service, the guardian couldn't jump at the first offer and take it.

Q: Is a contract signed by a parent who isn't a court-appointed guardian valid?
A: [A parent] doesn't have legal capacity to sign a contract for [his or her child]. Generally, under common law, a parent has no inherent authority to sign a contract on behalf of a minor simply because [he or she is] the minor's parent. Under the law of Illinois and most states, I'm aware of no authority that would make a contract binding on the minor by virtue of the parent's signature. It's a voidable contract on the part of the minor or [his or her] guardian. They can opt out at any time.

Q: When a minor is selling something on the Net, what problems could the minor face? What problems may arise when a minor contracts with a credit-card company to collect fees?
A: I'm not aware of anything that makes a parent responsible for their children's financial transactions. The only way that a parent might be liable is if a parent knew about something [untoward] a child was doing...in a business dealing.

The child is also not on the hook because [he or she is] a minor and can't contract for [him or herself]. That's the essence of the risk you take in contracting on the minor.

Q: What's the result where a minor does business in a state and says he or she has a corporation, but it's not registered with the state?
A: Again, you're talking about misrepresentation. If you're talking about a minor's civil liability, if the minor is sued under Illinois laws, a guardian is supposed to be appointed to defend that minor. It's hard to imagine what right an adult would have to rely on the financial representations of a child.

If there was something wrong with what the minor sold, it would be pretty hard for a third party to try to collect damages or get his money back. You're proceeding at your own peril.

Q: What about a company interested in purchasing a product or service from a teenage entrepreneur? How can it protect itself in its dealings with the minor?
A: The only way is to make sure that a guardian has been appointed by the court and make sure that the guardian gets authority from the court to enter into any kind of contractual relationship to exploit this program or service. A guardian can do anything with the minor's property as long as there is court approval. The guardian's actions are as binding as they would be with another adult.

People who don't do this because it's slow, costs money, or involves lawyers are looking for trouble.

Q: What about any money or stock that a teenage entrepreneur gets for selling a service or product? Are there laws that safeguard it for the minor?
A: Once again, the court-appointed guardian would ask the court for permission to establish a fund in which to keep the money, stock, or other consideration given to the minor. The court would then monitor the guardian to make sure that the funds were being invested for the minor responsibly.

There are no guidelines for situations where a parent, who isn't appointed guardian, holds the money for his child. They aren't liable to the minor for bad investments made or money squandered.

Originally posted by seg fault
SolidJoe is annoying

wah wah ****ing wah

Thanks for that professional approach. All I'm trying to point out are some very serious legal issues that most people have no idea about!

That's part of the reason why we don't use contracts, nor have entered to any. And what are you trying to prove?

Thus far you haven't done anything in this thread (or on this forum for that matter) BUT show your age. Maybe you should start your own *SP. As much as you scroll these forums, I'm sure you could generate enough business to keep you out of other people's business, in no time! Are you not old enough? It's obvious you've been studying up on the laws. :emlaugh:

Furthermore, you entered this thread in conhersion with Dragoon and automatically attacked my age, and said something about our merchant account. What's up with that?

You don't know how or what we have setup, how we run our business, nor how the monies that were transacted for that matter. How do you know he didn't pay with cash, Paypal, or a check?

Stop putting your nose in places it doesn't belong. You might smell something nasty one day.

And lastly, I thought you had already made your last post in this thread? This will surely be mine in response to anything you say, so while I'm here.. Thanks for blowing the thread up. I really appreciate it. ;)

heh with the maturity u approach things solidjoe it amazes me that you could attack anyones age :/

I dont think anyone is going to sue Devon for a dedicated box, even moreso a shell hosting dedicated server

Sif anyone sues over cheap dedicated servers anyway - thats the first thing people say 'sue sue sue'.

It's unfortunate how society has been brought up. It has gone from people not knowing their rights, to people thinking they have rights to anything and everything - rights which dont exist.

If someone were to screw me over for a couple of hundred dollars - kudos to them - i'll catch up with them some time, just not going to go out of my way to do it.

Who is going to bother sueing for a few hundred dollars? I can't see their liability being worth anymore than that

Thanks!

Originally posted by DD-SNC
That's part of the reason why we don't use contracts, nor have entered to any. And what are you trying to prove?

Thus far you haven't done anything in this thread (or on this forum for that matter) BUT show your age. Maybe you should start your own *SP. As much as you scroll these forums, I'm sure you could generate enough business to keep you out of other people's business, in no time! Are you not old enough? It's obvious you've been studying up on the laws. :emlaugh:

Furthermore, you entered this thread in conhersion with Dragoon and automatically attacked my age, and said something about our merchant account. What's up with that?

You don't know how or what we have setup, how we run our business, nor how the monies that were transacted for that matter. How do you know he didn't pay with cash, Paypal, or a check?

Stop putting your nose in places it doesn't belong. You might smell something nasty one day.

And lastly, I thought you had already made your last post in this thread? This will surely be mine in response to anything you say, so while I'm here.. Thanks for blowing the thread up. I really appreciate it. ;)

Each of your business agreements is a contract. The word "contract" doesn't necessarily mean a long winded document drawn up by your lawyer. About your merchant account, the same rules apply there. You can't be held responsible for your actions since you are a minor. You don't have the authority to accept checks, cash, paypal, or CC payments for the same rules. Each of your plans that you have setup is a contract with the buyer. Therefore they can't ever really expect to collect upon their end of the contract, since it wasn't valid in the first place. Any disputes about said contract could not be dealt with via you, it would have to be taken to your parents. Contact your state's attorney general for more information on legal busienss practices - I know I have.

PS, from Paypal's AUP/TOS:

A Special Note About Children. Children are not eligible to use our service and we ask that minors (under the age of 18) do not submit any personal information to us or use the service.

I hope you don't use Paypal.

Hmmm, vert interesting thread. Someone gives a company that went out of their way to help them a great review, and all you other people can do is bash the company on the owners age. I'll take a 17 year old dedicated server provider with great service over a 30 year old dedicated server provider with crappy service any day. If devon can provide great service to his clients then who gives a crap about his age?

now, i am not a minor, but i do have this to say:

contracts are in place to protect both parties from the (possibly) unethical behaviour of the other party. in smaller business transactions, such as renting a dedicated server, you have to rely first and foremost on the integrity of the provider.as others mentioned, you are not going to sue over a few hundred dollars. in light of that, the thing that matters is if the provider is trustworthy and runs his business with honesty and integrity. this review was meant to provide that information.

paul

Originally posted by SolidJoe

PS, from Paypal's AUP/TOS:

A Special Note About Children. Children are not eligible to use our service and we ask that minors (under the age of 18) do not submit any personal information to us or use the service.

I hope you don't use Paypal.


PayPal actually added that clause back in December of 2001 I believe. Devon could have easily signed up before then.

kfreak, that was miracle he gave you 1 month free...
I remember I bought server from him about half a year ago, I had one, but pretty big problem - he messed up with IP/routing seriously. I decided to leave him and asked him to refund me money for unused time (I prepaid 3 months, and asked to refund only 2). He didn't want to pay money back until I started thread about him here..

good luck,

For everyone who thinks I'm just being unreasonable, I'm not. I'm not also saying that DD-SNC's age is related to his knowledge. I know when I was 17 I knew a lot too. All I'm commenting on are the problems that COULD exist from a minor running a business. This is a review of his business, so I'm adding in my comments about problems that could arise. That way, WHT members can make their own judgment after hearing both pros and cons. It's not a personal attack against him or his company, just my view on the legal situation.

Originally posted by Miha
kfreak, that was miracle he gave you 1 month free...
I remember I bought server from him about half a year ago, I had one, but pretty big problem - he messed up with IP/routing seriously. I decided to leave him and asked him to refund me money for unused time (I prepaid 3 months, and asked to refund only 2). He didn't want to pay money back until I started thread about him here..

good luck,

Could you please tell us some more? I know that he has his own router at FOONET, and if he don't know routing as well as he should, he could cause his customers serious problems. I would really appreciate if you could tell us some more about your problems.

Thank you very much!

Originally posted by krc
Could you please tell us some more? I know that he has his own router at FOONET, and if he don't know routing as well as he should, he could cause his customers serious problems. I would really appreciate if you could tell us some more about your problems.

Thank you very much!

Well, http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83397&highlight=miha+and+devon
but I have deleted after I got money back.

But problem in general was:

I was paying for FreeBSD server with ip xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx. After I got server, I have upgraded kernel to 4.7RC2 and everything went smooth. Then on 3rd or 4th day I ssh to the given IP and notice that my passwd doesn't work.. I try to FTP to the IP and see ProFTPD's banner, which shouldn't be there. Later I've opened xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx in my browser and saw plesk's message :eek:

Bascially, he messed either with IPs, or routing over there.. the sad thing is that he was telling me that my server was OK and he can reach it, while I was telling that phisically it isn't my server (and I was right).. so that whole story continued for a week - one day I see my server and the other day it isn't my server again.

This was not good news. Thank you for letting me know!

Originally posted by Miha
Well, http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83397&highlight=miha+and+devon
but I have deleted after I got money back.

But problem in general was:

I was paying for FreeBSD server with ip xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx. After I got server, I have upgraded kernel to 4.7RC2 and everything went smooth. Then on 3rd or 4th day I ssh to the given IP and notice that my passwd doesn't work.. I try to FTP to the IP and see ProFTPD's banner, which shouldn't be there. Later I've opened xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx in my browser and saw plesk's message :eek:

Bascially, he messed either with IPs, or routing over there.. the sad thing is that he was telling me that my server was OK and he can reach it, while I was telling that phisically it isn't my server (and I was right).. so that whole story continued for a week - one day I see my server and the other day it isn't my server again.

Sorry to hear that Miha, I haven't had anything like that happen to me.

Why would I issue a refund due to fault on the users end?

I issued Miha his monies in full after he refused a partial credit. That was the only way to solve the situation, plus he was very vulgar.

The thread he posted shows clearly what transpired.

Devon,

can you tell us what *really* happened? I don't know who to believe.

http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=83397&perpage=15&highlight=miha%20and%20devon&pagenumber=2

^^ Here you claim that you are 18. So, how old are you - really? :eek:

Originally posted by DD-SNC
Why would I issue a refund due to fault on the users end?

I issued Miha his monies in full after he refused a partial credit. That was the only way to solve the situation, plus he was very vulgar.

The thread he posted shows clearly what transpired.

No because;

1. It's none of your business.

2. The problem was in the past and it's been settled.

3. The thread spells out clearly what transpired and both parties have reached a settlement.

4. Once again, My age isn't of importance. I'm sure I'm older than you. And there's already enough information about me on the internet.

Devon, so the problem was on my end?.. :smokie:

Originally posted by DD-SNC

4. Once again, My age isn't of importance. I'm sure I'm older than you. And there's already enough information about me on the internet.

First you tell everyone that you're 18, THEN it's nobody's business. Something's fishy. From this thread I have gotten the impression that you are under 18, which means that you were lying earlier on. Hmmmmmm. :eek:

I honestly don't remember, Miha.

Regardless, I'm glad we were able to issue you a refund and resolve the problem.

Are you still hosting servers these days?

:eek:

Originally posted by krc
First you tell everyone that you're 18, THEN it's nobody's business. Something's fishy. From this thread I have gotten the impression that you are under 18, which means that you were lying earlier on. Hmmmmmm. :eek:

Believe what you want. I never said it wasn't anyone's business. I said it wasn't any of YOUR business and I was referring to the situation with Miha.

The only people who should even be remotely concerned about my age are potential clients, and current clients. You are neither. And those that are, aren't worried in the slightest.