Hi

I have a Cable connection
I want to make my Desktop, 256mb ram, pentium 4 2.0ghz and 20gb harddrive + 2nd harddrive soon a web server
Its Windows XP, any suggestions?
My Cable is Earthlink
How many sites will i be able to host?

lol...hopefully you won't host any - atleast you won't charge anyone for hosting

Originally posted by Hoobastank68
Hi

I have a Cable connection
I want to make my Desktop, 256mb ram, pentium 4 2.0ghz and 20gb harddrive + 2nd harddrive soon a web server
Its Windows XP, any suggestions?
My Cable is Earthlink
How many sites will i be able to host?

:rolleyes:

and again :rolleyes:

and yet again :rolleyes:

Hi, ill only be hosting my own site
cause im tired of hosts suspending me
...i will use MYSQL DB frlom my other host for forum
just to host my own site and some downloads on my own comp

Even if you are not planning to charge your customers for hosting, and just doing this as a hobby, you are going to run into couple of issues. Your TOS & AUP from Earthlink should have a clause in there prohibiting you from hosting a server on your connection. Also do you have a static or dynamic IP? Plus uptream speed on most cable providers are set to 128Kbps.

WinXP does not have an HTTP Server that can handle more than 10 connections. You would need Win2K Server.

You are just better off getting a $99 per month Dedicated Server from some provider....

Most cable connetions are not 128 kbps (maybe low end DSL) the rock bottom Road Runner cable is 384 up (in my area). You can run Apache on XP, but I must agree that it would be better just to get a proper server - by the time you mess with dynamic DNS if your IP changes and the poor upload if you are actually stuck with 128 your would drive yourself and any perspective viewers crazy.

I get 1mbps up on my cable :D

doesnt apache run on windows? =]

Take a look at phptriad http://sourceforge.net/projects/phptriad its Apache/PHP/mySQL for windows

Originally posted by Josh Stein
:rolleyes:

and again :rolleyes:

and yet again :rolleyes:


:D :D :D

I guess he will never stop :)

umm i ran a HTTP server on the computer before
as a mirror for downloads, and it was doing fine, i was on vacation in China and downloaded from it and its located in US, downloaded at 100kb per second
LOL, and then i took it off because i had like 5 other FTP servers as mirror for downloads

yeah, maybe like 100kilobits
not 100kilobytes

earthlink is 128kilobits up, which means around 15kilobytes up... good luck hosting any downloads on that...


MBC - Wrong, almost every cable company is 128k up, only a very few have a higher upload, or some offer faster upload if you pay more, but the basic plan which most people have is 128k.
Your lucky with your RR and 384k, although in some parts of the US they have bad routing.

Hoobastank, the best way to find out is to just try it. Put up some sites and get some friends to tell you if the speed is adequate or not. Worst that happens is you end up taking them down because it's not...no money lost, just a little bit of time.

Uh, we already know whats going to happen. Most people know how much 15kilobytes can handle....and its not very much. If someones downloading something, good luck trying to get someone to connect to your website.

Just go order a dedicated server.

Originally posted by Mrdredd
Uh, we already know whats going to happen. Most people know how much 15kilobytes can handle....and its not very much. If someones downloading something, good luck trying to get someone to connect to your website.

Just go order a dedicated server. Originally posted by Hoobastank68
umm i ran a HTTP server on the computer before
as a mirror for downloads, and it was doing fine, i was on vacation in China and downloaded from it and its located in US, downloaded at 100kb per second
LOL, and then i took it off because i had like 5 other FTP servers as mirror for downloads That doesn't sound like 128kbps upload...just because someone posted on the internet that they *think* Earthlink caps all of their customers' upstreams at 128kbps doesn't mean it's true! :eek2:

I beg to differ on the 128 issue. Here are some archived speed tests from DSLReports:
http://www.dslreports.com/archive
Quite a few companies have above 128 speeds up, maybe not most but alot more than Road Runner.

Yes the majority of cable companies do cap at 128, unless your willing to pay more. I know for a fact that basic CableOne and AT&T do, since I've used them both. And considering AT&T is the largest cable internet company (maybe not anymore?).
DSL isn't any different, you have to pay more for higher upload speeds.

average DSL upload speed is 256kb, while cable is 128kb.

also, thats just the advertised speeds... many people still only get 128kb maybe a lil over or a lil less. (or A LOT less in some cases)

but anyways, back on topic.. cable wouldnt be really good to host a site. you'd be bottle necked up the arse all the time, and not only would your visitors not be able to access anything, neither would you. you wouldnt be able to use the net as your upload BW would be saturated.

I say, As long as your TOS/AUP from your Provider allow you to run a server.. And its for a personal Site, then go for it. Why should you pay extra money out to a provider if you are capable of doing it yourself.

Just watch your site and see if visitors are complaining or your seeing poor performance. Then you can make the decision to host with another provider, or upgrade your internet connection.

You may not want to run it from your main PC, just go out and get some 50 dollar pentium PC, and load linux or freebsd on it.

I have an old Pentium 120 with 32mb of ram that i use to backup my web servers to my home using rsync. It works great, but compiling the kernel took the entire day.. And I have other machines of the same specs that run apache and other services.

Originally posted by comphosting
Yes the majority of cable companies do cap at 128, unless your willing to pay more. I know for a fact that basic CableOne and AT&T do, since I've used them both. And considering AT&T is the largest cable internet company (maybe not anymore?).
DSL isn't any different, you have to pay more for higher upload speeds.

AT&T is now Comcast :)
-Max

Originally posted by Hoobastank68
cause im tired of hosts suspending me


And now we ask why you keep getting suspended :D

Quote of the day :D

If hosts keep suspending you, aren't you worried that maybe your home cable connection will be suspended if they find out you're either running a server (depends what it says in the AUP really), or they don't like the content you're hosting (presuming that's why you keep getting suspended? :eek:)... then you'd be really stuck with no Internet connection! :O

And why would your hosts continuously suspend you? (Warez, music videos, etc... ?)

If your not hosting anything illegal though, FDC servers has some really cheap plans at http://www.fdcservers.net/reseller.html - I won't comment on their network, though - It's been fine for my backup site for the last week, but I haven't been a customer for more than a week either :D.

I understand that you're a teenager without much money to spend on hosting - Save up some money first. I'm pretty sure that Earthlink doesn't allow running servers.

almost every cable company is 128k up, only a very few have a higher upload, or some offer faster upload if you pay more, but the basic plan which most people have is 128kAmazingly, Comcast actually raised their speeds to 256k upload - This is because they bought out ATT Broadband, which already offered 256k.

Earthlink, Adelphia, Cox, and Charter are some of the only cable ISPs who limit upload speeds to 128k (or around that) - I'm taking these figures from http://www.dslreports.com/archive/ .

-Josh

Adelphia is implementing tiering coming soon.
Some parts of its network are testing it out.

Im upgrading to 384kb and 3mpbs down (even tho im getting 5 now) when its implemented in my area.

My host keep suspending me because i think i have a CGI Based anti-leech Download Script, which links all downloads to for example
cgi-bin/Download.cgi?file=filename.zip
and that kind of slows down the server a lot and because i have topsite list running. but i will get rid of the topsite and find a better download/anti-leech script
any suggestion on anti-leech download script?

also I have checked dslreports.com
my area.in NY the connection is
Speed Down/up=2030/359
AT least thats the limit

even if you still plan to use your home connection for hosting, I suggest you setting up unix box for these purposes. winxp is pretty insecure (as well as other version of windows). unix box can be a router/gateway and webserver at the same time.

I am hosting one of my personal sites on a server in my home from a cable connection. I only choose to do it due to the questionable content, however it has worked out great for me. I get average of 1000 hits per day and up to 4000 on occasion. I have been doing it this way since October and have yet to experience any real problem. I do not offer any downloads or anything like that though. I am using DNS Park on Comcast Cable (AT&T). Definitely do not use Windows, I have been getting over 30 hits per day from the "Code Red" Worm, thanks to RH and Apache nothing has touched me.

This site has a wealth of information and a good group in their forums that will help you out.

http://dslwebserver.com

Cox is capped and 384 and they do enforce it by the testing I have done.

Cox has also instituted byte cap limits:

The Cox High Speed Internet acceptable use policy allows each user a maximum of 2GB per day and/or 30GB of downloads per month. Uploads are limited to 1GB per day and/or 7.5GB per month

I'm sure one of the reasons for this besides KaZaa is because of people that insist on running home servers even though it is against every cable companies TOS.

Originally posted by infortech
WinXP does not have an HTTP Server that can handle more than 10 connections. You would need Win2K Server.


Honestly, I wouldnt use windows at all. Despite what Microsoft says, their products are not server tuff...

*nix is the only way to go.

RCN is capped at nearly 1mbit up :). (1.5/3mbit down depending on plan).

Most of the ISP's ive heard about are something like over 300 up, but usually not more than 500 (kbits).

umm thanks for the site http://dslwebserver.com/

Originally posted by comphosting
Yes the majority of cable companies do cap at 128, unless your willing to pay more. I know for a fact that basic CableOne and AT&T do, since I've used them both. And considering AT&T is the largest cable internet company (maybe not anymore?).
DSL isn't any different, you have to pay more for higher upload speeds.

I'm not sure which AT&T you were using but here they just dropped it from 300k up to 256k up then a couple months later Comcast took over then Comcast upped all their clients to proper up / down speeds.

my speed is 2mb per sec max and 300 somethin kb upload/sec max

i usually download at 300-400kb per second...most time from regular servers just 250kb, upload usually is 30kb sometimes 40-50kb..

I run a family site from my computer with almost the same configuration. I would not want to use it commercially. My provider states that no servers are allowed but when I asked them about it they said it wouldn't be an issue as long as the bandwidth wasn't too high. I use IIS with WinXP but it has a ten connection limit. I am using argosoft for my mail server. Check out this site.
http://www.dslwebserver.com/

and since I don't have a static IP I use

http://www.zonedit.com

Hope this helps.

ya i already had someone tell me about http://www.dslwebserver.com/
thanks for telling me about http://www.zonedit.com/
cause i have dynamic ip and earthlink told me they dont offer static ip for cable, only dsl..

Hoobastank68 - Take a speed test from either http://lax.speakeasy.net/ or http://phl.speakeasy.net/ and post your results here.

2003-04-01 15:49:37 EST: 1258 / 877
Your download speed : 1258224 bps, or 1258 kbps.
A 153.5 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 877321 bps, or 877 kbps.

Home service :-)

nice upload, i can get 12mpbs if i wanted :) (at no extra cost :p )

RoadRunner Cable:
2003-04-01 16:01:33 EST: 1954 / 365
Your download speed : 1954999 bps, or 1954 kbps.
A 238.6 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 365452 bps, or 365 kbps.
Seems like broadband .. above the 1mbit barrier!

2003-04-01 16:20:28 EST: 1320 / 333
Your download speed : 1320566 bps, or 1320 kbps.
A 161.2 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 333806 bps, or 333 kbps.
Seems like broadband .. above the 1mbit barrier!


the speed was tested while my CounterStrike game server is running with 4 people on it and my WC3 and StarCraft are connected to Battlenet with a Battlenet bot connect with AIM and IRC on

2003-04-01 16:37:04 EST: 1092 / 1022
Your download speed : 1092275 bps, or 1092 kbps.
A 133.3 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 1022494 bps, or 1022 kbps.
Seems like broadband .. above the 1mbit barrier!


My download sucks.. LOL.. Its supposed to be 1200/1200, but I guess it is if you take into account the overehad..

On my personal use line, I get 1209/276

I'm trying to justify to myself the cost of the 3000/ 384 DSL/cable lines.

Originally posted by Hoobastank68

the speed was tested while my CounterStrike game server is running with 4 people on it and my WC3 and StarCraft are connected to Battlenet with a Battlenet bot connect with AIM and IRC on

Hehe, You're already running servers.. So there's no reason you can't just throw in the website. Your limitations will be very similiar to those you experience with the CS server.. As you get more traffic, the slower it will respond.. If you have a select audience, and it sounds like you might; they may be willing to deal with the speeds.. It all depends on your target audience..

Also consider what impact it would have on the other services your running..

I ended up getting a second line just for my personal use so that when i decide to download *nix ISO's or visit those "graphic intense" websites ;) it doesnt impact my servers.

cool, so you think my connection is actually fast enough to host a server? along with another computer used for gaming, vising sites, downloading music and stuff

Originally posted by Hoobastank68
cool, so you think my connection is actually fast enough to host a server? along with another computer used for gaming, vising sites, downloading music and stuff

No, I dont think its fast enuff. But I believe it should be fine.

When you start up your music downloads etc... Your visitors will know it. All depends what your website is going to consist of.. Will it be providing alot of downloads? A forum? Or just static pages with information..

There's a whole lot of variables to consider.. But its going to cost you $0, and alot of time/research to setup the server and see how it performs.

I feel it should be fine. I've hosted clan sites on my PC with a cable modem, and had no problems.

Something that hasnt been touched here though is security.. hopefully you already have a firewall in place since you have a dedicated line.. If your seeing hits on the firewall now, it's only going to increase as you start advertising services.. I'd worry bout this whether hosting at home or with a provider. Also security patches for the programs you run.

Hey, ill be hosting a site with .shtml pages and a forum or just a forum at another friends host, downloads maybe or just use my FTP Mirrors

2003-04-03 16:39:26 EST: 7172 / 8000
Your download speed : 7172604 bps, or 7172 kbps.
A 875.5 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 8000000 bps, or 8000 kbps.
Seems like broadband .. above the 1mbit barrier!

----------------
school internet :) But why the upastream is faster than the downstream?? I tested couple times.

ML

Umm any more comments?

nmluan, cause theres other people on the connection, duh.

2003-04-07 20:52:22 EST: 2528 / 745
Your download speed : 2528765 bps, or 2528 kbps.
A 308.6 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 745712 bps, or 745 kbps.
Seems like broadband .. above the 1mbit barrier!

These are my results from the test and my site works fine. It is just a low bandwith family site though.

Originally posted by Mrdredd
yeah, maybe like 100kilobits
not 100kilobytes

earthlink is 128kilobits up, which means around 15kilobytes up... good luck hosting any downloads on that...


MBC - Wrong, almost every cable company is 128k up, only a very few have a higher upload, or some offer faster upload if you pay more, but the basic plan which most people have is 128k.
Your lucky with your RR and 384k, although in some parts of the US they have bad routing.

Actually he's right in some aspects. I've been on @home, Road Runner, Cox and At&t and all of them were 384k or 512k up (thats kilobits). Most companies let you order a static IP for like $5 or so.

www.afraid.org - good dns services and help with mail :)

try it out, lots of subdomains to choose from or add your own domain.

on hosting from home - i host off 64k symetric connection for small things such as files, webpages. works fine for 1-2 people. Its only meant for 1-2 people (i run it when needed) but it works fine. I use http://www.firepages.com.au (PHPDev -- related to php triad i think) to do it for me. its great :)

-kohashi

If you really want serious business, get yourself a rack and dedicted international bandwith, this will ensure you get good quality and happy clients.

Wow, almost a year...

I thought this would be a good idea for a small personal host. My friends host their own ftp or http on their own pc, I download files from them all the time. Sometimes I got a little bit bandwidth issues, but the situation runs good as a whole.

Of course, you can host a server at home. I don't know whether you have fix IP when you connect to the internet. You can try a network tool --- Left Eye Dynamic IP DNS. It can bind your static domain name with your unfixed IP.


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