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coolguy23
06-10-2001, 11:04 PM
people say there is no such thing as unlimited space but guess what i found one, www.streamload.com i have about 500 gigs of movies there and they are not complaning and that is just in my account

this is what i got from my movies folder alone, i have musicvideos, anime and a whole lot more
the only thing that sucks is that i gotta pay for the bandwidth:bawling:

ok i can't post all of them because of the 10000 character limit
well you can see them in the txt along with it

Get-Hosted.com
06-10-2001, 11:16 PM
Mind giving us a link to this folder? I don't see why any host would allow this because of the space used, and I really don't see why they would allow this considering it's Illegal.

alpha
06-10-2001, 11:54 PM
well, still... 500gb isn't unlimited
unlimited would have to defined as... at any given time, the amount of space available would be equal to the amount of space available before and after...all the while the amount of information within that space is increasing at any rate

there really isn't such thing as unlimited space... but i see your point, 500gb is a huge load of space

coolguy23
06-11-2001, 12:14 AM
i know 500 gigs is alot (and that's only in my account) i know ppl with twice the amount in theirs, well i just want to know how they do this, (the biggest HD i seen is 80.00 GB i think)

alpha
06-11-2001, 12:20 AM
maybe they have a multi-dimensional RAID array?

or this will be even cooler... a computer that manufactures its own HD space!? woohoo, that would be the day when unlimited HD space will be allowed... except... well, nvrmind, the computer might run out of elements needed to make the HD space!:D

JayC
06-11-2001, 12:26 AM
Originally posted by alpha
well, still... 500gb isn't unlimited
unlimited would have to defined as... at any given time, the amount of space available would be equal to the amount of space available before and after...all the while the amount of information within that space is increasing at any rateWell, that's kind of silly. In practical, webhosting related, terms, "unlimited diskspace" simply means that a host doesn't enforce any limit on the amount of diskspace a customer is using. Essentially that's the case with streamload (there are some restrictions, but they aren't really space-related: files that aren't downloaded regularly, though, may be deleted), but there's nothing hard to understand about it. Hard drives are cheap; they build their cost into their bandwidth charges.

Also, they check for duplicate files so if you upload something that someone else also has, they only store one copy of it. "Your" file then is just a pointer to the copy.

It's a specialized service in that you can only store media files. Because of that, you can't really compare their restrictions to those of a normal webhost.

alpha
06-11-2001, 12:35 AM
yea hehe, my definition was a bit far-fetched isn't it?

but the underlying ideal that i was shooting for is that (web) hosts that say they can give unlimited space can't possibly be giving their customers unlimited space... its just a euphemism to get the customers to believe in it... but the mistake is that the host is assuming that the customer won't pass that fineline between the "ok" space usage... and the "whoa, thats alot of space" usage

as i said before... 500gb is ALOT... but then again, i remember the time when i thought 1.6gb was alot on a harddrive ;)

JayC
06-11-2001, 12:59 AM
Originally posted by alpha
but the underlying ideal that i was shooting for is that (web) hosts that say they can give unlimited space can't possibly be giving their customers unlimited space... its just a euphemism to get the customers to believe in it... but the mistake is that the host is assuming that the customer won't pass that fineline between the "ok" space usage... and the "whoa, thats alot of space" usageFor the typical webhost represented here -- a company with one or two servers -- certainly that's true. But for an operation like streamload, again in practical terms, it isn't.

It's a matter of scale. If a thousand people try to sign up for an account at a typical webhost tomorrow, they can't possibly handle it and you wouldn't expect them to. But if a thousand people sign up for accounts at yahoo, they'll handle the load smoothly.

Streamload has a lot of diskspace at their disposal. It's not inconceivable that they can add space faster than their customers will use it -- not faster than their customers theoretically could use it, but faster than they will. If they find that they can't, they could simply stop accepting new signups.

I agree that a normal webhost that says they offer unlimited diskspace is usually being deceptive. But I don't think that streamload is. They're in a different business, though. And perhaps saying something like "as much space as you'll ever need" would be more accurate than "unlimited."

darcast
06-11-2001, 01:53 AM
Unlimited as defined by Webster's:

"Main Entry: un·lim·it·ed
Pronunciation: -'li-m&-t&d
Function: adjective
Date: 15th century
1 : lacking any controls : UNRESTRICTED
2 : BOUNDLESS, INFINITE
3 : not bounded by exceptions : UNDEFINED
- un·lim·it·ed·ly adverb"

My point being that web hosting companies need to be forced to stop using the term, and then defining it any way they want in their TOS.





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astralexis
06-11-2001, 04:21 AM
Hmm, in my opinion it's ok to use the term, as long as it's used along with a clear link to the TOS, where this definition of "unlimited" can be found.

For example:

Here's what you get if you sign up for our hosting plan:

Diskspace: 50MB
Data transfer: Unlimited (see terms of service (http://novalidlink))
...

koolguru
06-11-2001, 05:11 AM
Originally posted by Get-Hosted.com
Mind giving us a link to this folder? I don't see why any host would allow this because of the space used, and I really don't see why they would allow this considering it's Illegal.


Ditto.


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astralexis
06-11-2001, 05:59 AM
I don't see why any host would allow this because of the space used
Because they can sell bandwidth? They charge about 3$/Gig. If they buy it at 1$/Gig, that can work out.

coolguy23
06-11-2001, 11:24 PM
i wish they go back to the old policy, they gave you Unlimited :stickout bandwidth for just $5.95 and i remember downloading all sorts of anime and i downloaded this one file 465 MEGS in about 20 minutes :)
but now they charge so much for bandwidth :(

bigmattyh
06-12-2001, 01:13 AM
I bet they more than make up in bandwidth charges what it costs them to buy all those hard drives...