Does Any One Happer To Know How To Offer Virtual Dedicated Servers ?
I Know About Sphera but wanted to know if there is any alternative ?



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Cheap? I don't know about price.. But I think if you want to offer "Feature Loaded Hosting with Rock Solid Support" you should make a proper investment into your infrastructure.

Try Ensim.. http://www.ensim.com/

I know that Ensim ServereXchange has a virtual private server technology. And OLM and forsite use it.

FreeVSD is an open source implementation that allows VPS on linux.

I have heard the FreeBSD has support for this, but you have to look for it. isp-admin.com offers this.

You can check out the implementation at the respective sites.

Hope the info helps,

Peter

Just to let people know, the ServerXchange box is $25,000. (yes, twenty-five thousand) This is what makes VDS possible with Ensim.

Once you have it, you still pay for each VDS you set up!! $30.00/mo per VDS.

Oh yeh, you also have to pay for each control panel you add to the VDS. $7/mo/ WEBppliance control panel. (You can add *unlimited* sites to the control panel, as it is a per VDS charge, not per site).

Ensim is not cheap. But they kick ass if you got cash. Some of the new features they have coming out are hot.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
Just to let people know, the ServerXchange box is $25,000. (yes, twenty-five thousand) This is what makes VDS possible with Ensim.

Once you have it, you still pay for each VDS you set up!! $30.00/mo per VDS.

Oh yeh, you also have to pay for each control panel you add to the VDS. $7/mo/ WEBppliance control panel. (You can add *unlimited* sites to the control panel, as it is a per VDS charge, not per site).

Ensim is not cheap. But they kick ass if you got cash. Some of the new features they have coming out are hot.

I don't know where your getting your pricing but from what the ensim sales person has been telling me your wayyyyyyyyy off.

More like $5K for the server and software and then a certain amount per month for each VDS with a minimum of 25 VDS license a month. And this includes unlimited WEBppliance CP's. And I have gotten that pricing this week...

Then again maybe I need to call the guy back and make sure I didn't hear wrong :eek:

I don't know where your getting your pricing but from what the ensim sales person has been telling me your wayyyyyyyyy off

JeremyL , you mean the one that SOLD us the box? The one that BILLS us every month? Unlike you, I am not looking. I bought and employ.

I quoted retail price as of Jan 2001 when we bought. I will be god **** pissed if they are selling the box for $5000 now. We did not pay the full price as I don't think anyone did, but it was well over $5000.

VDS's? If you get them for less then $25/mo/VDS. I will bake you a pan of fudge.

unlimited WEBppliance CP's

Yeah, but you need to pay a few grand for this option. If not it is $7/mo/WP. Of course this is retail too.

I would really appreciate it if you gave me your reps name. Because if what you are saying is true, and not misunderstood, I have a serious bone to pick with Ensim! :angry:

He is right $5000.00 plus 25 per server i think per month. I know it came to like 1200 a month or some thing. Not sure what you can do not as you have all ready paid..

I also just talked to them 2 weeks or so ago. These where the prices same as above..heheh

I wish you luck :argue:

No I meant that you have to pay for at least 25 VDS licenses at $50/mth each from what they. So it ends up being 25vds for $1250mth. And that includes unlimited WEBppliance without a few grand extra. Again, this is just what I have been told as I have not bought anything. I am wanting to see what they try to charge when their billing and reseller modules come out.

It's a nice system but I am very reluctant to do anything with someone who requires you buy their hardware also. They will have to do some major talkin to convence me. I am scared to get buried in a product that will be hard to get out of if they pull and Alabanza and all of the sudden jack up the prices...

UmBillyCord
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He is right $5000.00

Man, that is funny. I know companies who paid $20,000 for the box. Wait until I tell them about this.

Ensim is good about customer service. I will just have to complain a lot and get better pricing on our VDS's. ;)

So am I right in the fact you will have to keep buying the servers from them or do you buy the first one from them and it then can be networked out to other servers you don't buy from them?

Also what are the specs on this server?

I am wanting to see what they try to charge when their billing and reseller modules come out.

Good point. I know it is in partnership with Billmax which is expensive. But Ensim is good at getting low licensing cost.

So am I right in the fact you will have to keep buying the servers from them or do you buy the first one from them and it then can be networked out to other servers you don't buy from them?

What server? The VDS or ServerXchange?

ServerXchange. Who knows. It is sealed. No shell for customers. Ensim wants to protect the patnets I guess.

VDS - various. The new ServerXchange 3.0 do out in August (I heard) will support RH 7.1. This opens up more options.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord


ServerXchange. Who knows. It is sealed. No shell for customers. Ensim wants to protect the patnets I guess.



Yes I meant the hardware...

Are you tellin me you pay over $5K for the server and ya don't even get root access? How the hell are you supposed to fix it when stuff goes wrong?

I know OLM.net gets to install it on their own hardware :(

And what are the specs on the server?

ServerXchange is just a 3U Compaq box that provisions the Ensim server offerings. You can not do anything with this box. You don't fix it, Ensim does. If it goes down hard, you RMA or pay to have Ensim replace it or fix. This box is a control center only.

The server exchange will allow you to 'drop and drag' the ensim kernel (a RH 6.1 hack) onto a vanilla Linux box. Red Hat 6.1 does not support many server offerings. RAID is limited, no dual CPU, etc... This is the box you build and manage.

The box that the ensim kernel is on can then be used to drop VDS's on. Ensim told us 30 - 40 are fine. We have trouble with more then 10 (although they are willing to help solve this - great support). They also told us we can put *unlimited* domains on a WEBppliance. We have 110 very small sites on a VDS and it uses 512 RAM minimum, and fails with anything less. Cobalts can do this with 128 RAM.

I know other host who use Ensim have the same issues as we communicate back and forth. ServerXchange 3.0 should fix all this. We hope.

So do you even have any sys admins on the payroll? It would seem if you couldn't get shell access to the box, why would you need one?

You are missing the point. Ensim won't let you in the serverXchange box. I guess once you get the box you will see what we mean - won't you be surprised. OLM can't use the serverXchange box for anything else other then what we do either. That is the Ensim model. You are confusing it with the Sphera model. Two completely deferent things.

The serverXchange "makes" other Linux boxes you buy into Ensim physical and virtual servers. These boxes of course you manage.


Sysadmins? That is funny. Being we host thousands of domains, you usually have a few.

N/M I see what you mean :)

Hey UmBillyCord,

Can you email me at jeremy@rockhosting.com

You can offer virtuals with freeVSD www.freevsd.org

Anyone want any more info or a demo of freeVSD just holler (off list please)...

Hope this doesn't count as advertising ;)

I've been quoted this on ensim... just today.

$5K on the admin box (its on their compaq)
$50/vds - min 25 vds to start = recurring $1,250/mo.

no mention of any additional costs for cpanels, etc.

PLUS, 30day ramp on the recurring.

we have played with freevsd in order to make secure virtual dedicated servers you have to load a ton of ram on a box you would be able to get 10 - 20 virtual dedicaeds from a single box in order to make it worthwhile as an enterprise you would have to charge a bit for these accounts it doesnt appear to me to make economic sense but i could be wrong.

Steve

Originally posted by Keeg
we have played with freevsd in order to make secure virtual dedicated servers you have to load a ton of ram on a box you would be able to get 10 - 20 virtual dedicaeds from a single box in order to make it worthwhile as an enterprise you would have to charge a bit for these accounts it doesnt appear to me to make economic sense but i could be wrong.

Steve

This is interesting - I haven't come across this problem before. Can you explain further - how much RAM did you use to create 10-20 virtual servers?

FYI I know of machines running 512MB RAM that can hold 80+ vs's each with Apache (SSL), Sendmail, MySQL, PHP etc... Resource usage is one of the areas in which freeVSD excels. Perhaps there was some other problem...

keeg, what is considered 'a ton of ram'

what about virtual hosts capacity within each vds?

and even if you off'd the vds at what's the market rate...
$60-$100+/vds/mo. that's $500-$2000/mo. per box plus all the little things to charge (setup, special configs, etc.) so depending on good production hardware what's not potentially profitable?

just my $.02:D

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Well, based on ComplexMind, ummm... it would be *very* economical:idea: