which should I go for?

I'm planning on going to offer reseller support so I want my own dedicated server. so which is better?

I am going between the Burst # 4 and the VO # 2.

opinions and reasons why please.

thanks

Well.. I never use Burst.net, but I read that the support is a little slow.
I have a dedicated in VO. and they are great!
the support is really fast and they move form VDI to the Verio Noc in englewood (CO).
I check my server with Qkw and it have 100% of uptime :).
Chuck, Paul and Danial are very nice guys, and have a LOT of patience, at least with me :D .
My vote is for VO

Originally posted by Jedito

Chuck, Paul and Danial are very nice guys, and have a LOT of patience, at least with me :D .
My vote is for VO don't forget John and Pat as well :D

i have a dedicated server with VO moved it from when burst.net took over ultraspeedusa

very happy with VO :)

Ooops.. yes.. you're right :)
I never talk with John.. but Pat is great too :)

I too have been comparing these two plans.

I see that at Burst you get a 60GB drive at VO a 30.5.

Unlimited IP's at Burst, 20 at VO and small charges for additional.

Burst setup cost ZERO, VO is 300.

Additional Bandwidth is $4 / Per Gigabyte at Burst and rounded to nearest gig but at VO it is $3.00/month per gig, in blocks of 10 gig. ** VO states - Additional Bandwidth charges are automatic and we will bump you up 10 GB as default.

It looks like you can upgrade servers at time of setup at VO for a one time price (memory and such) but at Burst it looks to be a one time cost PLUS a monthly cost too, nothing like paying rental on memory you already purchased? :-(

VO much cheaper for daily backups .. Burst is 100 a month VO is 45.00

VO has a automated signup script for customers, not sure if this is offered at BURST, not sure how good it is either but may well be a MAJOR plus here, must be configurable for merchant account to be any good.

VO's Skin on their Panel looks much cooler ;-)

All and all it looks like Burst is cheaper, VO may have a cleaner setup, not sure ..

Connection - Burst - Looks outstanding with Sprint
VO has a good one too with Verio

Support seems better at VO by looking at the message bases here.

This one looks like a close call to me, if it comes down to a money issue, it's burst for sure, otherwise it's a toss up!

Can anyone add to this?






:confused:

Few notes/corrections:

1. Our 2nd DS3 will be live around the and of the month....thru AT&T.
(Cable & Wireless postponed due to a surprise 40% price increase they gave us when we were about to sign the contract)

2. We will sell bandwidth in advance blocks of 50GB at $150 per month

3. NocSoft (DarkOrb Cpanel 4.0) will have automated billing w/merchant account & real time processing support...current scheduled release date August 2001. Upgrades free for our Cpanel 3.0 clients.

Sean R
BurstNET

Originally posted by BurstNET


3. NocSoft (DarkOrb Cpanel 4.0) will have automated billing w/merchant account & real time processing support...current scheduled release date August 2001. Upgrades free for our Cpanel 3.0 clients.

Sean R
BurstNET

that is why I wanted to go with BurstNET because I liked the fact that NocSOFT will come in August for free.

but at Burst, they charge to customize the control panel which I think is so stupid. I mean why should I have to pay to make it different from their control panel.

and the bandwidth is cheaper at VO..

however, I'm not sure if Burst's connection is as good as VO's as burst just opened theirs VO uses Verio.

and it is hard to get in contact with BurstNET sales at this point in time which makes me feel not comfortable with going with them, as support may lack the ability to contact them too.

I'm not sure what I want to do right now, I would go with Burstnet becuase of the no setup but not too sure about support.

Evan,

I'm in the same boat as you.

I want to go with Burst but lack of support is the thing that is holding me back.

Arrr.....


I wish burst would get their act together, and hire more tech's!

:bawling:

That is what we are in the middle of doing right now.
We know that is our main weakness right now, and we are doing everything possible to correct this.
We just hired two more admins (not techs, but people that really know what they are doing) this week.
One started 3 days ago, and the other starts in two weeks.
We are looking for even more staff still...reliable people are just very hard to find and keep.
BurstNET currently has 14 employees...and we are adding to that as fast as we an qualify potential hires.

Sean R.
BurstNET

will there be dailybackup or weekly backup for every dedicate server? or we need do by ourselves?

Daily & Weekly Backups are an add-on feature for our dedicated servers.
We handle it for you completely, if you order it.

Sean R.
BurstNET

well I have decided not to go with neither burstnet or VO. I have decided to go with pwebtech.com.

I got a good offer there for a Dual PIII 1 GHz for about 400$ so I went for that. nice price, great support, great data center, etc. everything i was looking for. :)

now to get the money to get it, lol... anybody wanna help?

also, anybody want to become a reseller for Web Host Direct ?

you need 6 month contract with pwebtech.com..
Pay 6 month ahead?

No, you can pay monthly. In most cases we require a 6 month contract, in some cases we can do a 3 month contract.

JUst because she/he signs a 6 month contract doesnt mean she has to pay 6 months in advanced, i dont know what his terms and conditions are, but he provides excellent service.

I don't have to pay ahead. I got a 3 month contract that renews every 3 months... I needed some security just incase I had to leave.

I've been talking to Jay and the service seems great so far.

BurstNet's support has gotten better the last few days. Brad is great and has helped me alot the last few days.

Glad to hear that!
Brad is one of our new admins...who's job is to do end-user tech support and answer sysadmin tickets.

Sean R.
BurstNET

Evan,

Nice deal.

How many RAM is in that machine?
How many Bandwidth do you get a month?



Originally posted by Evan
well I have decided not to go with neither burstnet or VO. I have decided to go with pwebtech.com.

I got a good offer there for a Dual PIII 1 GHz for about 400$ so I went for that. nice price, great support, great data center, etc. everything i was looking for. :)

now to get the money to get it, lol... anybody wanna help?

also, anybody want to become a reseller for Web Host Direct ?

I am using Ventures Online for 3 accounts right now; and I may move to a dedicated server in the future.

Originally posted by Evan
well I have decided not to go with neither burstnet or VO. I have decided to go with pwebtech.com.

I got a good offer there for a Dual PIII 1 GHz for about 400$ so I went for that. nice price, great support, great data center, etc. everything i was looking for. :)

now to get the money to get it, lol... anybody wanna help?

also, anybody want to become a reseller for Web Host Direct ?
Bandwidth?
Ram?
IDE or SCSI? Capacity?
I'm looking for a new server too

;)

256 ram - 25$ a month for each extra 256 ram.
50 Gb bandwidth

Originally posted by Asia
Evan,

Nice deal.

How many RAM is in that machine?
How many Bandwidth do you get a month?

That's it?

For once I thought you got a 200GB deal.

:D



Originally posted by Evan
256 ram - 25$ a month for each extra 256 ram.
50 Gb bandwidth

Burst is great. Almost a month now since I've had my server. To repeat what's been said 100 times, emails and trouble tickets have been a little slow, but I think they take tickets on situation basis maybe? I have had NO emergencies or major problems. Just questions mainly due to WHM and the answers do come. This last I have noticed the extra help by receiving quicker responses... especially through ICQ. Their ICQ usually shows offline but when I send a message an answer comes back in 5 mins. How do they do that? :) I know I can set my icq to NA but not to show offline and still receive messages :) (except for the last 2 days <cough> <cough> a couple of icq's haven't been answered.. little things though).

Overall, Burst does not fall into the u get what u pay for situation. Their price is GREAT, but you still get great service. Since I haven't had a downed server or emergency yet, I can't comment on that.... but myself, with standard questions, I don't mind waiting a little while for the great price I get.

And I still don't get what people have against cpanels them on standard cpanel setup (this is unrelated to Burst itself). To pick a company because they have customized cpanel is silly in my opinion. My customers... all non technical, average users... ALL have commented on how they like cpanel and how easy it is to use and how much they like the layout of it (i use iconic for everyone so that is what they are commenting on).

Get over the stupid themes. You won't find a single customer that is going to leave you or not pick you soley because of the graphics in cpanel... please.

Originally posted by Jedito

Bandwidth?
Ram?
IDE or SCSI? Capacity?
I'm looking for a new server too

;)

50 GB of bandwidth
256 Ram
EIDE 7200 RPM, 40 GB

Originally posted by Evan


50 GB of bandwidth
256 Ram
EIDE 7200 RPM, 40 GB

Did you say you picked this server over Burst?

Burst has a PIII800 with 256 meg, 60 gig HD (not sure if 5400 or 7200) and 50 gig of bandwidth for $249. A gig CPU will not serve pages NOTCIABLY faster.... slightly but you'd have to run tests to see the number.

Or for the same price you're paying of $400 Burst has dual PIII 800, 256 meg 36 gig SCSI and 100 gig which would be faster plus double the amount of bandwidth. Were there any other reasons I'm missing here why pwebtech is better?

True a 1Ghz processor is not much faster than a 800Mhz but a network with 20diverse providers and almost a total of 1Gigabit of live bandwidth is faster than 1 or 2 ds3 lines.

I have more faith in the NAC data center than Burst data center as they have more connections.

but pwebtech requires a contract and setup fee which is kind of scaring me away a bit. :eek:

however it may be better in the long run as Burst's bandwidth is more expensive, they charge me to change the control panel so I can intergrate some of my stuff into it, and they charge too much for ram (70$ setup plus a monthly fee, weird.).

if anyone has a good arguement to put forward of why i should go with BurstNET, then go ahead.

Originally posted by Evan
if anyone has a good arguement to put forward of why i should go with BurstNET, then go ahead.
Free upgrade of future releases of Cpanel / NocSoft.

Everyone gets that, I believe, All darkorb cpanel users.

Originally posted by Evan
if anyone has a good arguement to put forward of why i should go with BurstNET, then go ahead.

No setup fee...

BurstNET has an "exclusive distribution" license for NOCSoft, for several months after it's initial release(s).
DarkOrb Version CPanel users will have to wait until that exclusitivity period is up, to be upgraded to NOCSoft, OR purchase their license from BurstNET. BurstNET licensed CPanel users will be upgraded as soon as NOCSoft is released, at no additional charge. The only exception to this is Site5 Internet Solutions Inc.(www.site5.com) clientele, that will have NOCSoft from the time of it's initial relase....for usage on Site5 systems only, and not externally. Site5 is part of the development team on the NOCSoft project.

Sean R.
BurstNET

So any burst licensed cpanels even the ones NOT in the burst noc get upgraded to NOCSoft..

Correct...any BurstNET licensed CPanels (internal AND external), get immediate upgrades to NOCSoft once it is available.

Sean R.
BurstNET

Originally posted by BurstNET
Correct...any BurstNET licensed CPanels (internal AND external), get immediate upgrades to NOCSoft once it is available.

Sean R.
BurstNET

Ok, so the Darkorb guys are developing NocSoft, yet there are hundreds of clients paying them directly (for cpanel3) that will have to wait until BurstNET's agreement with Darkorb is up to get NocSoft.

Now, I don't have a problem with that, that's the way capitalism works. But the rest of us are waiting for simple updates for cpanel3, which is never going to happen because NOCSOFT is the replacement and cpanel3 is not a priority anymore. We don't even have a place to report cpanel3 problems to Darkorb anymore.

So cpanel3 development has essentially ceased to make NocSoft for BurstNET clients.

I have to admit, that's a pretty good business strategy (for Burst) :D

Let me make this very clear, in case some of you were worried:

NOCSoft IS NOT, I repeat, IS NOT, a BurstNET product.
NOCSoft is owned by a seperate corporation, of which BurstNET is a primary shareholder.
Nick Koston (Cpanel Developer) & Site5 Internet Solutions, Inc. are other primary shareholders.
BurstNET has invested money into the project, and in turn was rewarded an exclusive distribution agreement for a few months after initial release(s).
BurstNET will also be assisting with much of the marketing of the new product upon its release.

We feel it is very important for the public to realize that this product is not tied directly to BurstNET.
That mistake was made once before, with CPanel, and BurstNET was one of the companies that was hurt the most by this. We want to make sure this does not happen again to our firm, nor to any other company. BurstNET invested money in the NOCSoft project, to assure availability of the software to our clients in the future.

Sean R.
BurstNET

Hi Sean,

I understand what you are saying:

1. Burst has exclusive distribution rights for NOCSoft

2. Burst will play a part in the marketing of NOCSoft

3. Burst is a primary shareholder of NOCSoft

4. Burst has invested money into the NOCSoft project.

5. Employees of BurstNET (except for Matt) are developing NOCSoft.

On paper and legally, yes, you are separate corporations. But the reality is that BurstNET is most definitely 'tied' to NOCSoft in every sense of the word :D

>>> 1. Burst has exclusive distribution rights for NOCSoft

For a limited time after initial release(s) only.

>>> 2. Burst will play a part in the marketing of NOCSoft

NOT marketed as a BurstNET product, but rather in an advisory capacity.
Nick Koston & Site5 are involved for development skills, while BurstNET is involved for marketing/business skills & investment capital. Between us, we make a great team with all angles covered to make NOCSoft successful.

>>> 3. Burst is a primary shareholder of NOCSoft
>>> 4. Burst has invested money into the NOCSoft project.

As stated prior, we wanted to make sure BurstNET never had to worry about licensing problems for control panel software again. We are not trying to gain control of the software, as was done to us in the past...we didn't like it done to us, and we will not do it to others.

>> 5. Employees of BurstNET (except for Matt) are developing NOCSoft.
>> On paper and legally, yes, you are separate corporations. But the reality is that BurstNET is most >> definitely 'tied' to NOCSoft in every sense of the word

If we had wanted to go that route, we would have attempted to own the product completely, and offer shares of BurstNET to the programmers instead. Nick Koston is the majority shareholder of NOCSoft, so he is still in control. This is the same situation almost as if BurstNET would have invested in DarkOrb instead. Money is the name of the game here, and we are not trying to squeeze competitors by controlling the licensing and only giving it to people we choose; All competitors will be licensed for NOCSoft from us if they so desire...as we make more money selling CPanel licenses to them , than we would on some dedicated server sales instead...

But yes, this manuever definately positions us as we desired....between opening our own data center, hiring Nick Koston (and other new admins..), releasing great dedicated server specials, and investing in NOCSoft (with the associated licensing deals...), BurstNET has solidified it's market position. We have planned this out for sometime now, and have several manuevers to be announced in the future still...

Sean R.
BurstNET

Good points Sean, thanks.

Hi, I'm currently looking at getting started with a virtual server pending getting the right money sorted out for what I have in mind.

I was working on getting a dedicated with WHM and Cpanel cause I learned about WHNbilling and it could be integrated with WHM.

I have been looking with extreme interest at a couple of options from Burst.net and then I read with even greater interest about this NOCsoft upgrade and its billing etc.

This would greatly sway me, can anyone go into good detail about it or give me a link to where I can learn more about it.

How will this affect prices for managed dedicated servers Burst?

Thanks.