After their defiance to not back the US and the UK in the war against Saddam Hussein and Iraq, I ask you, my fellow members of this site to join me in boycotting the purchases of all goods that are either made in France or sold by companies that are French.

So could any of you give me a list of companies/products that are French.

Companies/Products that are French and should be avoided.

Peugeot
Renault
Citroen
Evian
Volvic
Bic
Carte Noire Coffee
L'Oreal Shampoo
David Ginola Memorabilia

The purchases of French Fries, French Letters, French Windows and the giving of French Kisses are perfectly acceptable for now.

Should anyone be outside on a wet day/night and see snails crawling around, pick them up and point them in a northerly direction towards Scotland.

P.S. The booing of all French players who grace us with their presence on British soil is totally acceptable.

Can anyone else list any other companies/products that are French.

Oh and bonjour to you all.

We certainly live in different worlds

I have no problem with a nation that doesn't instantly jump into line when another nation says 'jump'
do you really think that because you have a problem with this that I should immediately share your problem ?

oh, and bonsoir to you too

I have to go along with susannad.




Although I'm not sure how serious you are.

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
I have to go along with susannad.

Although I'm not sure how serious you are.

:bawling:

No, don't. As an Englishman I have a big dislike for the French as a country.

1, They have burnt our livestock in the past.
2, They still refuse to ban British Beef, which has been passed fit for human consumption by Europe for the past 2 years.
3, When they are unhappy with their own government, they go on strike and blockade the ports which affects the ports in England.

You have a problem with the trading arrangements ?
Fair enough
but don't start me, as an Australian, on why I have a "thing" about the English

P.S. SWR :D

Originally posted by susannad
You have a problem with the trading arrangements ?
Fair enough
but don't start me, as an Australian, on why I have a "thing" about the English

P.S. SWR :D

No go on, I'm all ears.

What does SWR mean?

Sex Wearing Rubber? :D

or are you (pardonnez-moi) still thinking of the mooning you received on the way from Caen to Crecy ?

translation : P.S. SWR :D =

Post Scriptum: Soft Ware Review ha ha LOL ha, OK ?

Vive la France!!!!

So what is this 'thing' you have with the English?

My problem is with Iceland, who doesn't seem to appear on the list of the coalition of the willing. No more cold drinks for me.

Originally posted by susannad
translation : P.S. SWR :D =

Post Scriptum: Soft Ware Review ha ha LOL ha, OK ? Sounds reasonable to me.




:D

Originally posted by RubberGloves
:bawling:

2, They still refuse to ban British Beef, which has been passed fit for human consumption by Europe for the past 2 years.


They "refuse to ban"? :p

France - the only nation who thinks it's ok to set off nukes in the South Pacific but find the war 'disgusting' , a bunch of spineless turds , remember that scene from that crap movie when the meteor hits the center of Paris , heres hoping it will happen , 'cause even god doesnt like the French .

Oh , yeah , and they smell.

I think when the dust settles in Iraq , we should drop the un-used bombs on Paris .

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
I have to go along with susannad.






Me too...

Originally posted by aventuregrp
They "refuse to ban"? :p

:blush:

Well spotted, I was waiting for someone to spot that deliberate error.

;)

Hehehe,

I think this whole idea of boycotting french things is STUPID with a capital S (hehehe)

The Dude :D

But you also have a capital T. And a capital U. And a capital P. And a capital I. And a capital D.

What are you trying to say?



This is not a time for humor?

I usually don't like France (don't know why) but I agree with them in this situation :stickout:

Originally posted by susannad
We certainly live in different worlds

I have no problem with a nation that doesn't instantly jump into line when another nation says 'jump'
do you really think that because you have a problem with this that I should immediately share your problem ?

oh, and bonsoir to you too

You certainly are missing the point. Also, as in any public forum, no one asked you to post. So by choosing to, you "immediately share" in his issue.

We (Well I) do not mind that Russia or Germany are also not in agreement. Russia has always been with Iraq. Germans now days always look for peaceful routes over violent ones. Even in the PGW they did. Those are those countries political stances. The issue is with the fact the French could give two shi*s about Iraq other then they see dollar signs and that they see a way to politically slap the US.

I for one will continue to buy German products. But the French, I will not. That is just me. Just one mans option to vote with his dollars.



I love the comment about the French in the Pacific. Did you also know it was French agents that bombed and sunk the Greenpeace Rainbow Warrior, killing Greenpeace photographer Fernando Pereira?

Ben, est-ce que vous protestez les produits Québecois aussi?

Only American's can do something like this...this is just plain stupidity...

What a petty thread, expressing a pathetic anti-french feeling under the guise of supporting a "just" war. France can do as they please, as do America, and if they don't want to become involved in military action that's perfectly fair. Shouting for a boycott of french goods does absolutely nothing, especially when based on the old grievences you throw up (yes, they banned British beef, at a time when it wouldn't even sell at home).

Makes me ashamed to be British like this guy. Don't get me started on the Amercians who want this exact same thing, as if bullying France to support a war will somehow make the current war suddenly justified.

</rant>

UhOh! This just in! Canada didn't support the US either!BOYCOTT!!! HA!Boycott us?:)

-Chris

Originally posted by creid
UhOh! This just in! Canada didn't support the US either!BOYCOTT!!! HA!Boycott us?:)

-Chris

Canada was just afraid we would bomb them again. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by RubberGloves

The purchases of French Fries, French Letters, French Windows and the giving of French Kisses are perfectly acceptable for now.


I don't understand this. If you're so passionate about boycotting French-ie stuff why are those listed above acceptable?

Double standards?

This thread is surreal.

Good move. I've already stopped buying French wine. Last week a friend suggested dinner at a French resturant and a couple of us were like I don't think so!

You could stop buying any of the products by this company, which is basically a group of companies owned by the french.

www.pprgroup.com - Pinault Printemps Redoute

They own such brands as:

Gucci
Yves Saint Laurent
Boucheron
Bottega Veneta
Sergio Rossi
Emerging Brands
Bédat & C°
Rexel
Pinault Bois & Matériaux
Guilbert
CFAO
Printemps
Conforama
Redcats
Fnac

Just more info if your serious about boycotting french owned companies.

Originally posted by arpmn
...Last week a friend suggested dinner at a French resturant and a couple of us were like I don't think so!

Way to go! Damage an American business just because it serves French cuisine. That will clearly make the French change their political stance. :rolleyes:

Honestly, I don't care about boycotting this, or protesting that.. I have my own feelings about this all. I am from Texas, so you can figure it out on your own. :-)

I do find that is odd that it seems perfectly acceptable to protest this war, which in my mind is silly since the protests will have no affect, not to mention most protestors do it because they are silly kids trying to relive the 70's. At this point protesting a war is useless in my opinion, not it is time to show support for the men or women there, the ones fighting and the ones who are about to be free from Saddams rule. Sadly some of these same protestors don't care about the men and women fighting, in fact they blame them! That I don't get at all. These are men and women who are doing their job. They did not sign up specifically to oust Sadaam or fight in any war. But they are there to do the job they have been assigned.

It seems that those who wish to show support for the president and troops and war even, or show their feelings about the french decision not to participate are chastised. I salute the WWII soldier who left his medal at the French embassy in Washington. Will any of this change anything? No.. but it is a way for those who feel stongly about something to peacefully demonstrate their feelings no matter what those feelings are. Sure it is easy to say something is "silly" or "stupid" just as I have done here about the protestors, but regardless in their minds they are doing something for what they feel is the better good of all. Which amazes me honestly.. think about it.. for or against this.. in the end every one thinks their feelings are about the better good of everyone. So we all have that in common, even if we think there are different ways to accomplish it.

Originally posted by ubergeek22
Way to go! Damage an American business just because it serves French cuisine. That will clearly make the French change their political stance. :rolleyes:

Exactly, I guess some people here fail to realize that the french products you find in stores are already bought and paid for by american businesses. The ignorance in this thread is beyond belief......

If anyone saw saturday night live a couple of weeks ago they were making fun of people pooring out their french wines. They basically said "you already bought and paid for the wine, as if the french give two craps what you do with it after you bought it"

What really baffles me is how all these american's hate the french all of a sudden, yet france has helped in many situations. Regardless of france's reasoning for not backing the US ... thats their country and their standpoint point. They never asked anyone to agree. How i love propaganda........

Dont think its ignorance at all...

I have joined the ban my brother and Millions of other Americans have to.

Who cares what you think anyway? I dont remember anyone asking you..

well nfl, thats perfectly fine. I dont care what you do. It doesnt intrest me. I know i like french fries, and french dips. Just because they (france) have an opinion that differ's from SOME americans, doesnt mean im going to take it out on american businesses, or stop enjoying things that people up until 2 months ago never had a problem with.

Originally posted by case
Exactly, I guess some people here fail to realize that the french products you find in stores are already bought and paid for by american businesses. The ignorance in this thread is beyond belief......

If anyone saw saturday night live a couple of weeks ago they were making fun of people pooring out their french wines. They basically said "you already bought and paid for the wine, as if the french give two craps what you do with it after you bought it"

What really baffles me is how all these american's hate the french all of a sudden, yet france has helped in many situations. Regardless of france's reasoning for not backing the US ... thats their country and their standpoint point. They never asked anyone to agree. How i love propaganda........

Hey case. I see you are back. Perhaps you want to finsh the threads you posted in earlier. Or did you give upo and are now going to post total BS again somewhere else?

You say the ignorance in this thread is beyond belief. This is coming from a guy who didn't even know that the branch of service he served in was in the PGW. That is ignorrant.

Let me point something out too since as usual you fail to get it. It is about supply vs. demand. If the demand stops or slows, these companies will stop importing the volume. It is called econmics.

While you have no issue with French products. Great. That is what freedom of choice brings you. But if someone choices to boycott - they are ignorrant? Their freedom of choice is ignorant, but yours is OK. Just like your other post that you stopped replying to, this one is a real winner.

Feel free to use your only defense. Point out my mispellings and bad grammar.

haha, boycotting french goods won't do a thing..

Originally posted by case
well nfl, thats perfectly fine. I dont care what you do. It doesnt intrest me. I know i like french fries, and french dips. Just because they (france) have an opinion that differ's from SOME americans, doesnt mean im going to take it out on american businesses, or stop enjoying things that people up until 2 months ago never had a problem with.

So those fries and dips are shipped over here from France? I will eat French Fries. I don't think McDonalds sends over royalties to france for each fry sold. But buying products is another story...... This is what some are pointing out.

But as it always does, it comes down to freedom of choice. Will it change Frances stance? No. Will it let someone sleep better because they can go to bed knowing they stood up for what they belived in and decided to sacrfice something they might enjoy? Yes.

Originally posted by RubberGloves
So could any of you give me a list of companies/products that are French.

Anthrax vaccine.

Originally posted by arpmn
Good move. I've already stopped buying French wine. Last week a friend suggested dinner at a French resturant and a couple of us were like I don't think so!
Wow, that is sad.

If we're going to boycott lets stop riding bicycles, not use batteries, avoid sewn clothing, and take away the parachutes from our soldiers.

Good plan.

Does anyone find it incredible that during a war on Terrorism, a huge defecit, a high unemployment rate, and other such problems that our Congress is changing the name of fries? That's sick.

I'm kind of confused about all of this.. Americans pride themselves on having freedom of speech but when someone or in this case a country has an opinion that differs from yours and decides to stick to something it believes in it's suddenly wrong?

(the origin of "french fries" can be traced back to either "french" as in "of french origin" or from the verb "to french" which means in that context "to cut into thin strips before cooking or in this case frying". It's very debatable that french fries actually came from Belgium and not France so of all things to make an example to boycot France of, they most certainly picked the worst one)

Didn't the French just offer to help repair the oil things the iraq military set fire to? I seen it on one of the channels.. Channel 47, or 48 in nashville

Originally posted by NFLinsider
I have joined the ban my brother and Millions of other Americans have to.
Prove your numbers.

I won't give you exact numbers because I don't know them (and I'm not going to make up a bull**** number), but many of my friends are buying more French goods and purchasing Dixie Chick CDs.

I haven't heard of any French businesses cringing in fear of a poorly organized, somewhat ignorant movement (of course I’m not insinuating that all of its members are ignorant, but the movement itself). Come on, call up your Senators and tell them to return the Anthrax Vaccine. Make sure to boycott all your Aventis made medicines!

I haven't heard of the boycott.. Im sure its just a talk of boycotting with people around the internet in an aol chatroom :D

Troll thread, move along people.

With narrow-mindedness and ignorance as rife as it appears to be, is it no wonder why 'some people' dislike the States?

Just the other day someone mentioned that an American was protesting about the French Fries thing - you probably wouldn't like to have heard what I was saying about them :)

Good luck :rolleyes:

Funny how alot of people never became face to face, nor had a discussion with an American. Alot of people just hops on the bandwagon. Pretty Funny! And most of the time don't know one thing about America. Pretty Pretty Funny :usflag:

I dont know where you have been but the Dixie Chicks album plumeted.

76% of Americans support the war according to the latest CNN poll. They have the choice to make thier statements and we have the choice to not buy their goods or services :D

As a American, I would like to thank the French for their help during the Revolution, otherwise we may not have kicked the living crap out of the Brits......Viva la France!

Its funny how ignorant people are. French fries .. *snort*... I won't even begin to name the countless things with French labeled on them that aren't even French. Just goes to show how dumb some rednecks can be.

Go Dixie Chicks!!!!

Originally posted by net-trend
I don't understand this. If you're so passionate about boycotting French-ie stuff why are those listed above acceptable?

Double standards?

Erm, to be honest I didn't really expect anyone to take me seriously regarding eating french fries etc, afterall they are not made in france.

:dunce: :D

Not having read all this thread, not sure if anyone else has said anything similar, but instead of a pointless boycot just because one country doesn't shout how hight when another says jump, why don't you do something more worthwhile, like Lobby your government into taking action in Zimbabwe (SP?) where millions of people will die of hunger in the next year or so, or boycot companies like P&G (Proctor and Gamble) who needlesly test on Animals? With products such as Iams pet food, "it's soo good for your pet", shame about the 1000s of other animals they killed whilst developing it, I could go on and on about P&G and other companies, but instead, I'll let someone else do it: http://www.uncaged.co.uk/pg.htm

Well said KDA.

Unfortunately people get caught up in the media hype and fail to look at the real issues. These days Europe is seeking to become a peaceful area. They seek diplomatic resolutions. For this, they are being spat at by some Americans.

Let's see the US use some of it's ~$500bill defence (war?) budget on all-but-ridding the world of poverty. The figure of $40bill was set forth as how much it would cost to improve the situation of the world's poorest nations.

funny how people want to dump a ally for one controversy, are you going to alienate U.S???

who are you talking to rk_usct?

This is just another pathetic attempt by the administration to stir patriotism and take over the minds of the people with patriotic propoganda.

the whole thing about renaming french fries to freedom fries...
so if french fries didn't come from the french....
fries came from freedom!? :eek:
where's the logic in that?

the whole renaming thing is idiotic in my opinion.
sure people have the right to rename what they want and how they want it, but that just proves americans are arrogant and ignorant yet again.

politics is based on opinions (mostly, especially this war) and there is bound to be people who are for / against for their own political reasons.

if someone doesn't support you, it's more or less the "Get them out of here" ideology. democracy my @$$.

like i've said before - politics influences opinion rather than the inverse.

it's the sheep syndrome. someone said to me the other day 'the majority of people disagree with you - so you're wrong!'

it was a perfect example. people were told the french were bad - they believed it.

Let's see the US use some of it's ~$500bill defence (war?) budget on all-but-ridding the world of poverty. The figure of $40bill was set forth as how much it would cost to improve the situation of the world's poorest nations.I understand where you are coming from, but the fact is we already send billions-upon-billions to 3rd world countrys to help out.

The reason why the French don't want to fight? Because they get ~30% of Iraqi's oil revenue. Pretty easy to understand. The French do need the US, that is why they are changing their position and are slowly offering support.

Originally posted by Revnet
the whole thing about renaming french fries to freedom fries...
so if french fries didn't come from the french....


The term French fry is derived from the way the potatos are cut. When something is cut into long strands (for lack of a better term) it is considered a French cut -- that's also where we get French cut string beans.

I wonder if the Chinese had not support us, if we would rename the Chinese fortune cookies .. (wich doesn't exist in china btw ..) .. :D

Originally posted by CRego3D
I wonder if the Chinese had not support us, if we would rename the Chinese fortune cookies .. (wich doesn't exist in china btw ..) .. :D

Well, since I don't see anyone turning in their BMW's or Mercedes Benz I doubt it :D.

USA had no reason to attack Iraq, + the war has been going on for 6 days now, and we haven't seen any chemical or massive weapons, which was the main reason for attacking Iraq.

And what's up with the French Fries going to the Freedom Fries? They're not even ****ing french, they're ****ing belgium

Originally posted by RackMy.com
I understand where you are coming from, but the fact is we already send billions-upon-billions to 3rd world countrys to help out.

The reason why the French don't want to fight? Because they get ~30% of Iraqi's oil revenue. Pretty easy to understand. The French do need the US, that is why they are changing their position and are slowly offering support.

Also, here is the top Importers to Iraq

Imports - partners:
France 22.5%, Australia 22%, China 5.8%, Russia 5.8% (2000)

..

Is it really the French who need the US or the US needs the world?

This sort of arrogance makes the world a sad place.

People are to respect decisions by certain individuals or nations, no one has the right to just go in and say "If we didn't enter WW2, you guys would be speaking german right now"

Sure it might be true, but it's a hypothetical truth. Did that happen? No. That's simply arrogance.

What we all need to do is quit talking about war and how certain people don't want to be in the war, that's completely their decision.

A better place, is a place without war, a place where people help out because it is human nature to do so. It's not whether someone was there or someone wasn't there during a significant battle, but the outcome of it and the consequences one must face because of it.

Bottom line, no one has the right to say someone's opinion is wrong because there ARE no wrong opinions. France had an opinion... They don't like war. They stuck with it, and they are now being bashed by the US. Sad? Very.

Yeah whatever opinion it takes to get re-elected. :gthumb:

Originally posted by WebDev
Yeah whatever opinion it takes to get re-elected. :gthumb:

Ooh ooh, when I run for president in 2008, can I use that as my slogan :D?

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
Also, here is the top Importers to Iraq

Imports - partners:
France 22.5%, Australia 22%, China 5.8%, Russia 5.8% (2000)

Also, here are the top countries buying Iraqi exports:

US 46.2%, Italy 12.2%, France 9.6%, Spain 8.6% (2000)

Gee, someone seems rather interested in Iraqi oil...

Evian spelled backwords is Naive, so why would you pay $2.00 for a Evian bottle?:confused: :rolleyes: :mad: :angry: :blush: :bawling: :eek: :o :D

Originally posted by cperciva
Also, here are the top countries buying Iraqi exports:

US 46.2%, Italy 12.2%, France 9.6%, Spain 8.6% (2000)

Gee, someone seems rather interested in Iraqi oil...

Gee, this shouldn't shock anyone. Logic would tell you the largest user of fossil fuels, would probabaly imports the most from the countries who have the most. Also, you would be hard pressed to find many industrialized countries that do not have the US as one of the main exports.

US Imports - commodities:
crude oil and refined petroleum products, machinery, automobiles, consumer goods, industrial raw materials, food and beverages



** Venezuela

Exports - commodities:
petroleum, bauxite and aluminum, steel, chemicals, agricultural products, basic manufactures

Exports - partners:
US 60%, Brazil 5.5%, Colombia 3.5%, Italy 3.5%, Spain 3.4% (2000)

** Saudi Arabia

Exports - commodities:
petroleum and petroleum products 90%

Exports - partners:
US 17.4%, Japan 17.3%, South Korea 11.7%, Singapore 5.3%, India (2000

** Nigeria

Exports - commodities:
petroleum and petroleum products 95%, cocoa, rubber

Exports - partners:
US 46%, Spain 11%, India 6%, France 5%, Brazil (2000)

Originally posted by RackMy.com
I understand where you are coming from, but the fact is we already send billions-upon-billions to 3rd world countrys to help out.

The reason why the French don't want to fight? Because they get ~30% of Iraqi's oil revenue. Pretty easy to understand. The French do need the US, that is why they are changing their position and are slowly offering support.

Well gee, that's alright then :rolleyes:

In fact, the majority of Europe is trying to move towards peaceful resolutions to everything.

You don't truly believe the US is in Iraq for purely non-monetary, good-willed, humanitarian reasons, do you?

So, let me ask this: how many people have been bombed or in a warzone recently? Of those people, would you wish it upon anyone else?

What we all need to do is quit talking about war and how certain people don't want to be in the war, that's completely their decision.Why?

Originally posted by RackMy.com
I understand where you are coming from, but the fact is we already send billions-upon-billions to 3rd world countrys to help out.

The reason why the French don't want to fight? Because they get ~30% of Iraqi's oil revenue. Pretty easy to understand. The French do need the US, that is why they are changing their position and are slowly offering support.

The US gives billions to Israel, Egypt and Columbia the rest get very little.

The French do not need the US, sure they don't want they goods boycotted, but the only trading partner they do enough trade with to be dependent on is the rest of the EU.

i think ive already asked this before, but what do americans do about Chevrolet? Its an American based company founded by a Frenchmen. Any thoughts ???

And Paris (in France, in case you don't know) is the city of love, perhaps we should ban any form of love.

Oh, and also boycott Champagne... it's from **drumroll***...France!!! (the Champagne region, actually!) That goes for many other forms of wine too.

So, no more bubbly for you! ;)

how about banning "french" kissing?!!:(

Originally posted by case
i think ive already asked this before, but what do americans do about Chevrolet? Its an American based company founded by a Frenchmen. Any thoughts ???

Who cares about chevrolet? Seriously. :) I've never owned a chevy.

And there are plenty of wines not made in France, I cant remember the last french wine I bought.

Good to see some countries are boycotting all American goods :P

:P

Originally posted by edude
Good to see some countries are boycotting all American goods :P

:P

You should try it. Or are you all talk HostEXP?

Originally posted by case
i think ive already asked this before, but what do americans do about Chevrolet? Its an American based company founded by a Frenchmen. Any thoughts ???

No one replies because it is a ridiculous question. Do they get royalties? No. Its like asking "Should I visit the Statue of Liberty"?

The point people are making, like Germans now, is simply voting with your dollars. If you have a bad host, what do you do? You move. Why support them?

Funny thing is that these countries that are against the idea of aggression against Iraq and publicly make note of it. Who is the first one who wants to whore themselves to a piece of the pie once it is over? Ex... Reconstruction contracts, etc....

And there are plenty of wines not made in France, I cant remember the last french wine I bought.


Yes, but it seems you completely missed my point... never mind.

No UBC, im not as arrogant as some people these day.

I stand with the French when they call american government "arrogant".

Whats with all this god bless america nonesense?

YOur president should read the bible, born again pfft.

He doesnt know the first step that politics is totally against christianity.

God Bless America = hahahahaahahhahaha

The US gives billions to Israel, Egypt and Columbia the rest get very little.Please show numbers to back up that statement, you are very very wrong.I stand with the French when they call american government "arrogant".I would say as an overall generalization the French are MUCH more "arrogant" than the US.

Should boycott the USA.

Why don't they have to disarm, why do other countries have to disarm but the USA is allowed to have weapons of mass destruction, or to put it another way .. how do you feel supporting a country whose Government are war mongers.

I dare say the average American isn't that bad .. how then do they allow there government to do these attrocious things. Why don't they open there eyes and see what is really going on.

If i was going to boycut any country, it would be america.

Originally posted by tabizan
France - the only nation who thinks it's ok to set off nukes in the South Pacific but find the war 'disgusting' , a bunch of spineless turds , remember that scene from that crap movie when the meteor hits the center of Paris , heres hoping it will happen , 'cause even god doesnt like the French .

Oh , yeah , and they smell.

I think when the dust settles in Iraq , we should drop the un-used bombs on Paris .

So ...... when are you turning 15?

Hey pattox quit insulting my 10 year old nephew...







:D

Originally posted by RackMy.com
Please show numbers to back up that statement, you are very very wrong.

No I am very, very right and before you make statements like that you should actually take a look at the facts, which clearly you have not done.

In 1997 the US gave out a total of $6.9 billion in economic aid, for the last several years Egypt and Israel have recieved around $1 billion of that each, every year, along with this economic aid they also recieve military aid, Israel gets around $2 billion and Egypt $1.3 billion. They are the two biggest recivers of US aid by some distance, they recieve around one third of all US economic aid and the vast majority of US military aid.

Thanks bagpuss.

Now can someone show me some stats as to how much was given, for example, to the African nations suffering from aids epidemics by America?

Out of the $6.9 billion in US economic aid in 1997, $689 million of that was for the continent of Africa, which put's Israels and Egypts shares into perspective.

How much did East Timor get. :confused:

:rolleyes: The world keeps on getting more mature as the days pass. This whole idea is dumb, you'll never get enough people to boycot them that it will effect them. France isnt America (Thank God), they do not live to work, they work to live.

Originally posted by edude
No UBC, im not as arrogant as some people these day.

I stand with the French when they call american government "arrogant".

Whats with all this god bless america nonesense?

YOur president should read the bible, born again pfft.

He doesnt know the first step that politics is totally against christianity.

God Bless America = hahahahaahahhahaha

Just like your comment about 911 that "You could care less about what happened", this too shows you are nothing more then a jealous outsider and an angry Arab. Not a single post you have submitted has shown any intelligent facts. Ever. It is just bleeding heart opinion and distain about the USA. While people like Jorge (Jedito) do not agree with the war and take every opportunity to bash the USA, he at least gets my respect for having intelligence in his posting of mostlyfacts.

Most these people who post anti-American comments use false facts, BS feed to them by their one-sided sources, or simply want to blab their mouth off that they themselves are not the Prom King.

While I certainly am no fan of the Wolfowitz Doctrine. And while I know there are many things we need to improve as a country. I am certain that the USA has far more positive qualities then negative. I wish we could say the same for other countries.

People wonder why so many hosting companies fail. Well to me there is no wondering. I just need to come here and read the ignorant post some people make. If they are so stupid in their thinking of world politics, then their ability to run a business would certainly be hindered by that same ignorance. This goes for both side of the coin. Pro and anti people.

Here is an example:

Originally posted by Picard102
France isnt America (Thank God), they do not live to work, they work to live.

I guess I can assume that my comment "France isnt America (Thank God), they do not shave and shower, they just stink." should be an OK comment according to your post? Is it OK for me to stereotype an entire population?

Ignorance. It is one thing to have an opinion and another to be prejudice or stereotypical.

Originally posted by TheDoctor
How much did East Timor get. :confused:

The U.S. pledged $4 million for the first year, money that comes out of the $25 million already appropriated by Congress for 2002.

Do you have any numbers for Australia? :confused:

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
While I certainly am no fan of the Wolfowitz Doctrine. And while I know there are many things we need to improve as a country. I am certain that the USA has far more positive qualities then negative. I wish we could say the same for other countries.

We aren't a bit arrogant are we?:eek:

People need to realize the shallow "sacrifices" we make don't mean a damn thing. For instance, "I'm going to boycot evion water". Are you kidding me? How many bottles of strictly evion do you drink a day? Thats silly. Our arrogance, and ignorance in assuming that war is easy as black and white ("either with us or against us") is destroying our histroy with France, and making us look incredibly stupid to other countries. For the people that are boycotting evion water and replacing french fries with freedom fries, get a clue. As someone mentioned earlier, and certainly no mystery, we are a huge customer of Iraq, and I'm sure you can guess what we are buying. Until you start boycotting oil, or something that actually poses a constant inconvenience, you're patriotic gestures are extremely shallow and mean nothing.

I'm not arguing for the French, I'm just saying that the ones that are getting together a list of French products, as if they are a regular buyer of any of these are not making a sacrifice whatsoever. Oh, and I loved the "the french fries are okay for now". You may have not meant that literally, but it's funny because thats the way it works. "The French won't drop what they are doing and come fight in a war they can't find justification for, so I'll boycott their products. Hell, I'll drive across town in my 10MPG truck to avoid buying French products!" Make a correlation here- we buy a ton of oil from Iraq, make a REAL sacrifice and walk to Mcdonalds to get your freedom fries and save a bit of gas.
I don't live byt this- then again, I don't claim that switching my preference of bottled water was a sacrifice for freedom either-- get real, it's not.

Zak

I didn't have time to read every single post in this thread, however I find it shocking that some people are so silly. As an Anglo-Canadian born in France, I have the benefit of not being too biased either way, and I think that whether you agree with Bush's decision to go to war is irrelevant to buying French goods. Even if you don't agree, does that mean you have to go as far as to boycott French goods? And, as said before, what difference is it going to make, seriously? You're not going to change Chirac's mind.

Let's say your neighbourhood store supports X (X being a candidate to an election or something), and you support Y. Are you going to stop buying there because of it?

hell yeah, bye bye french goods, german goods, chinese goods and russian goods. they got added to the list with zimbabwe. how the chinese can have a go at the americans over iraq is beyond me, have they forgotten about tibet? or driving tanks over students. improper force my arse.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord

I guess I can assume that my comment "France isnt America (Thank God), they do not shave and shower, they just stink." should be an OK comment according to your post? Is it OK for me to stereotype an entire population?
Point out where i stereotyped anyone, or any people. Saying I like France better then America isnt anywhere near what you claim it to be.


Originally posted by UmBillyCord

Ignorance. It is one thing to have an opinion and another to be prejudice or stereotypical.
You sure proved that.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
you are nothing more then a jealous outsider
I like how everyone is "jealous" who doesn't like America.
Dam those jealous terrorists.

Originally posted by ZBoca
We aren't a bit arrogant are we?:eek:

People need to realize the shallow "sacrifices" we make don't mean a damn thing. For instance, "I'm going to boycot evion water". Are you kidding me? How many bottles of strictly evion do you drink a day? Thats silly. Our arrogance, and ignorance in assuming that war is easy as black and white ("either with us or against us") is destroying our histroy with France, and making us look incredibly stupid to other countries. For the people that are boycotting evion water and replacing french fries with freedom fries, get a clue. As someone mentioned earlier, and certainly no mystery, we are a huge customer of Iraq, and I'm sure you can guess what we are buying. Until you start boycotting oil, or something that actually poses a constant inconvenience, you're patriotic gestures are extremely shallow and mean nothing.

I'm not arguing for the French, I'm just saying that the ones that are getting together a list of French products, as if they are a regular buyer of any of these are not making a sacrifice whatsoever. Oh, and I loved the "the french fries are okay for now". You may have not meant that literally, but it's funny because thats the way it works. "The French won't drop what they are doing and come fight in a war they can't find justification for, so I'll boycott their products. Hell, I'll drive across town in my 10MPG truck to avoid buying French products!" Make a correlation here- we buy a ton of oil from Iraq, make a REAL sacrifice and walk to Mcdonalds to get your freedom fries and save a bit of gas.
I don't live byt this- then again, I don't claim that switching my preference of bottled water was a sacrifice for freedom either-- get real, it's not.

Zak

It is called being able to look in the mirror and say "I stood up for what I believe in". People who took to the streets can be proud they walked protest the war. Well, a person who protest his beliefs by not buying a French product is also protesting. And any person who can feel better about standing up to their beliefs and taking action, will certainly sleep better.

You see, you have no understanding about the point being made. Do you really think it is about not eating foods with the word "FrencH in them? If so, educate yourself. It isn't about one bottle of water changing French politics. It is about standing up and taking action. You should try it sometime.

Thanks for your post which certainly shows no understanding of what it means to protest. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Picard102
Point out where i stereotyped anyone, or any people. Saying I like France better then America isnt anywhere near what you claim it to be.


I must be stupid and blind. I thought I read -

"France isnt America (Thank God), they do not live to work, they work to live.".

That makes it sound like all Americans only live to work. And that the French all work to live. Sures seems like a sterotype to me.



You sure proved that. [/B]

Again. Thanks for proving my point. :cool:

Originally posted by Picard102
I like how everyone is "jealous" who doesn't like America.
Dam those jealous terrorists.

I will be the first to say, that very well could be a stereotypical comment. So I will narrow it down to saying a lot of post I read here stem from what I feel is a inferiority complex. Of course I could be wrong. The only person who will know is the one who looks in the mirror and answers the question. Most will not admit that is one of the deep rooted issues. I grow my opinion on this from my travels around the world and talk with people from all parts of the world. Hostiles are a great way to share views and here opinions from the youth of the world.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
I will be the first to say, that very well could be a stereotypical comment. So I will narrow it down to saying a lot of post I read here stem from what I feel is a inferiority complex. Of course I could be wrong.

You are wrong, many people who have a rather low opinion of American foriegn policy come from countries that have a similar or higher standard of living, why would they have an inferiority complex? Also you seem to be forgetting that there are plenty of people who are American who have an equally low opinion of it's foriegn policy, again how can they be jealous or have some inferiority complex?

Originally posted by bagpuss
You are wrong, many people who have a rather low opinion of American foriegn policy come from countries that have a similar or higher standard of living, why would they have an inferiority complex? Also you seem to be forgetting that there are plenty of people who are American who have an equally low opinion of it's foriegn policy, again how can they be jealous or have some inferiority complex?

You are correct. However do you care to show me where I said all? It looks like you are basing your argument on an assumption that I feel everyone is jealous. That is your error. Also, note that it is my opinion derived from actual contact and sit down discussion. This is no whimsical thought that just happened by today. This has been planted from years of travel and experience.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
You are correct. However do you care to show me where I said all? It looks like you are basing your argument on an assumption that I feel everyone is jealous. That is your error. Also, note that it is my opinion derived from actual contact and sit down discussion. This is no whimsical thought that just happened by today. This has been planted from years of travel and experience.

Well you are right that you didn't say all, however I would still disagree that jealousy or an inferiority complex as anything to do with the views of those who dislike America, even those who live in poor countries. Take the middle east for example (as it's what most of these threads are related to at the moment), I would say that the biggest reason for hatred of America there is the whole Israel / Palestine issue and the American double standards over it, I am sure many lving in poverty in parts of the middle east would like to live the life most people have in America, but to say it is the reason for the hatred would be wrong.

Also if the reason for the dislike of America among the poor of the world was jealousy, then Sweden , Canada, Germany, Italy, Australia, Japan etc would all also be hated, but they are not, the only country that even gets close to the dislike aimed at America, is Britain, another country which over the last 300 years has had a terrible record in regards to the poorer parts of the world.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
I must be stupid and blind.

Its certainly possible.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord

That makes it sound like all Americans only live to work. And that the French all work to live. Sures seems like a sterotype to me.

Its more of a generalization if anything, sorry if you read into things and are unable to comprehend the acctual statments at hand. Of course I highly doubt that you have ever been to france or have significant knowlage of French lifestyles vs. American to begin with to be able to athoritavly comment on it.

Originally posted by bagpuss

Also if the reason for the dislike of America among the poor of the world was jealousy, then Sweden , Canada, Germany, Italy, Australia, Japan etc would all also be hated, but they are not, the only country that even gets close to the dislike aimed at America, is Britain, another country which over the last 300 years has had a terrible record in regards to the poorer parts of the world.

LOL. I love the uneducated.

Welcome to WHT.

Originally posted by Picard102
Its certainly possible.


Its more of a generalization if anything, sorry if you read into things and are unable to comprehend the acctual statments at hand. Of course I highly doubt that you have ever been to france or have significant knowlage of French lifestyles vs. American to begin with to be able to athoritavly comment on it.

You "highly doubt" yourself into stupidity. Had you been more then a blip on the WHT radar screen, my earlier post would have answered your weak assumption.

I am sorry I have participated in a thread with a 0 post count buffoon who's only contribution here is to make stereotypes then call it them generalization. Educate yourself also. There is actually a difference.

Take care. Feel free to post back with some powerfully, witty comeback and bring WHT to its feet in admiration at your clever reply.

Originally posted by bagpuss

Also if the reason for the dislike of America among the poor of the world was jealousy, then Sweden , Canada, Germany, Italy, Australia, Japan etc would all also be hated, but they are not, the only country that even gets close to the dislike aimed at America, is Britain, another country which over the last 300 years has had a terrible record in regards to the poorer parts of the world.

I have to agree from my travels the only people that seem to be universally dislike are the Americans. True it's your Government that is doing it but the average person in America thinks they live in a democracy. If in fact it is a democracy and America's aren't bad then while do they allow there government to do these things.

The truth is they think there the centre of the universe and as long as there ok, as long as there making MONEY then everything is fine .. that is till someone comes along and knocks a couple of there buildings down ..then they run around like a chook who has just had it's head cut of.

Wake Up America.

:flamethr: :usflag:

Originally posted by TheDoctor


Wake Up America.

:flamethr: :usflag:

Very intelligent and mature. Let me see if I can do that .....

:flamethr: :dunce:


Da... I just done it. Fair Dinkum.

Originally posted by TheDoctor
I have to agree from my travels the only people that seem to be universally dislike are the Americans. True it's your Government that is doing it but the average person in America thinks they live in a democracy. If in fact it is a democracy and America's aren't bad then while do they allow there government to do these things.

The truth is they think there the centre of the universe and as long as there ok, as long as there making MONEY then everything is fine .. that is till someone comes along and knocks a couple of there buildings down ..then they run around like a chook who has just had it's head cut of.

Wake Up America.

:flamethr: :usflag:

I'll be back with a response after I do some qualudes.

Heh. I'm sure it went where it was supposed to go too :P




(for you stalwarts, yes, that was pure speculation, i have no idea where it went. i just have a gut feeling it didn't do the populace much good tho ;))

**edit**
this post was directed to bagpuss's calculations - didn't notice the extra page of replies!! hehe

Originally posted by TheDoctor
True it's your Government that is doing it but the average person in America thinks they live in a democracy. If in fact it is a democracy and America's aren't bad then while do they allow there government to do these things.


By the way genius. Guess who's government also sent a military presence. Yeah. Australia. :blush:

Heh, with the lowest public support of any war in our history :)

Originally posted by munted
Heh, with the lowest public support of any war in our history :)

I don't doubt that. :)

But the point was how stupid his post was. He doesn't even have enough commen sense to know what is happening in his own back yard, but he knows everything about America. :cartman:

I do know that our Prime Minister is following Bush around like a little puppy dog and when Bush says 'jump' our Prime Pinister says "how high?"

I also hope our Prime Minister gets booted out of the job. If the opposition had what it takes they would force a re-election and let the people decide.

We in Australia do actually live in a Democracy and in our Democracy, unlike in America, every eligable person votes. That way we are all responsable and we all get to decide ....

What percentage of Americans actually vote ? ... 10% most don't care ... even on these forums all the war is ... another topic to post about ... Who really cares.

Actually that's the problem with Australia - we MUST vote - that includes a large portion of people who can't tell a politician from their arse. (Althought I must admit, I find the comparison difficult sometimes) That's how we end up with arse-heads in gvmt in the first place. :D

Anyway, was this topic about Australia, the war, US policy, who's more ignorant, or France? I'm lost...

Seems like it was about the French. :D

I won't say anything. I'll just quote Andy Rooney.

If you missed Andy Rooney on Sunday night, read on. Most that heard him couldn't believe their ears. They kept expecting CBS to cut him off.You can't beat the French when it comes to food, fashion, wine or perfume, but they lost their license to have an opinion on world affairs years ago. They may even be selling stuff to Iraq and don't want to hurt business.

The French are simply not reliable partners in a world where the good people in it ought to be working together. Americans may come off as international jerks sometimes but we're usually trying to do the right thing.

The French lost WW II to the Germans in about 20 minutes. Along with the British, we got into the war and had about 150,000 guys killed getting their country back for them. We fought all across France, and the Germans finally surrendered in a French schoolhouse. You'd think that school building in Reims would be a great tourist attraction but it isn't. The French seem embarrassed by it. They don't want to call attention to the fact that we freed them from German occupation.

I heard Steven Spielberg say the French wouldn't even let him film the D-Day scenes in "Saving Private Ryan" on the Normandy beaches. They want people to forget the price we paid getting their country back for them.

Americans have a right to protest going to war with Iraq. The French do not. They owe us the independence they flaunt in our face at the U.N.

I went into Paris with American troops the day we liberated it, Aug. 25, 1944. It was one of the great days in the history of the world. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The French have not earned their right to have an opinion about President Bush's plans to attack Iraq.

On the other hand, I have

:eek: Jebus Jumping Christ - is that guy serious?

Someone explain to me who Andy Rooney is? Is he legally retarded?

Originally posted by TheDoctor

We in Australia do actually live in a Democracy and in our Democracy, unlike in America, every eligable person votes. That way we are all responsable and we all get to decide ....


No kidding. Voter turn out in Australia is about 98% because voting is compulsory. Non voters are fined unless they have a good reason for not getting to the polls!



What percentage of Americans actually vote ? ... 10% most don't care ... even on these forums all the war is ... another topic to post about ... Who really cares. [/B]

Why do people post about sh** they have no idea about. Once again someone ignorantly post false facts.

10%? You odiously are as stupid as your post suggest.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord

Why do people post about sh** they have no idea about. Once again someone ignorantly post false facts.

10%? You odiously are as stupid as your post suggest.

Depending on the election, he might not be that far off. According to the FEC:

http://www.fec.gov/pages/2000turnout/reg&to00.htm

Only 51.4% of the voting age population actually voted. But, in the mid-term elections (1998 is the most recent year for which this data is available: http://www.fec.gov/pages/reg&to98.htm), only 36.4% of the voting age population actually voted -- which is pretty close to 10% of the total population :D.


PBS did a study of Voting nations around the world and the United States came in 139 out of 172:

http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/votestats.html

Kind of interesting :D.

Come on Allan. 10% isn't even close to 37% in any Presidental Election in the US. He pulled the number out of his a**.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
Come on Allan. 10% isn't even close to 37% in any Presidental Election in the US. He pulled the number out of his a**.

Right, that's where the :D comes in :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

I love people who post links and stats and bail out.

Originally posted by FTPguy
I love people who post links and stats and bail out.

Bail out, I'm not sure what you mean?

Originally posted by allan
Right, that's where the :D comes in :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Allan, i know you are a smiley find of guy. But this is crazy! :D

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
Seems like it was about the French. :D

I won't say anything. I'll just quote Andy Rooney.

If you missed Andy Rooney on Sunday night, read on. Most that heard him couldn't believe their ears. They kept expecting CBS to cut him off.

Please tell me he didn't then lapse into his usual left-wing old fuddy duddy routine after that...might bring me around to being able to stomach him again if he didn't. :D

heh . . . . He's still Andy Rooney. -=\

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
You "highly doubt" yourself into stupidity. Had you been more then a blip on the WHT radar screen, my earlier post would have answered your weak assumption.

I am sorry I have participated in a thread with a 0 post count buffoon who's only contribution here is to make stereotypes then call it them generalization. Educate yourself also. There is actually a difference.

Take care. Feel free to post back with some powerfully, witty comeback and bring WHT to its feet in admiration at your clever reply.

Now I am hurt. Some retard on the internet called me names.. boo hoo hoo. :rolleyes:

I said -

Take care. Feel free to post back with some powerfully, witty comeback and bring WHT to its feet in admiration at your clever reply.

Ladies and gentleman. Drum roll please.....
His reply:

Originally posted by Picard102
Now I am hurt. Some retard on the internet called me names.. boo hoo hoo. :rolleyes:

How do you find time to post on these forums with all the action on your company forums? Amazing!

Good bye.

Good one.. :rolleyes: NO one saw that comming.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord

How do you find time to post on these forums with all the action on your company forums? Amazing!
Let see.. Not my company + Auto Prune on the forums + New forum + Platinum Hosting haveing other fourms to begin with that are active = You dont know ****.


Originally posted by UmBillyCord

Good bye.

jesus guys, grow up.

may i also ask, what does having a zero post count have to do with personal attributes such as intelligence, charisma, etc?

Originally posted by richy
hell yeah, bye bye french goods, german goods, chinese goods and russian goods. they got added to the list with zimbabwe. how the chinese can have a go at the americans over iraq is beyond me, have they forgotten about tibet? or driving tanks over students. improper force my arse.

:D :D hehehehe, yea, dude, from U.S history, i still remeber how people killed native indians brutally too. I detest somethings our goverment did as much as you do, but i have to give them credit for made our country stronger and more democratic.
What W.Bush showed the world is nothing but his arrogance, American's imperialism is rather dangerious to the world than to themself.
for your attitude toward China, all i can do is to give you a finger.

oh oh, :D, has anyone thought about to change "french kiss" to "freedom kiss" yet???

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
I am sorry I have participated in a thread with a 0 post count buffoon who's only contribution here is to make stereotypes then call it them generalization. Educate yourself also. There is actually a difference.

Grow up, since when has post count had any effect on the validity of a persons argument?

munted,

I will admit it was nothing more then a childish comment. Also, I do not believe it was said a 0 post count equates to 0 intelligence. Looks like some people decided to read into too much.

I usually never do this - however I wll venture to do this one time and hopefully not get burned too bad for it.

It appears to me that the inclination to boycott something across the board without regard to the underlying circumstances on a case by case in depth situational ananlyis usually backfires. I point to the follwoing article from an australia article quoting a german:
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/03/26/1048653750472.html
the exact peice I like is :
"Boycotts primarily harm the people they're most designed to support.

We're really a local business in Germany, the product is made in Germany and they're boycotting German products," said Jonathan Chandler, communications director for Coca-Cola Europe, Eurasia and the Middle East in London.

Consumer fury seems to be on the rise. Demonstrators in Paris smashed the windows of a McDonald's restaurant last week, forcing police in riot gear to move in to protect staff and customers.
I believe mcdonalds are franchises - so they are hurting a fellow french national on this usually.

in fact - it is my general feeling - although not supported by a formal impirical analysis - that it is the us that is experiencing the brunt of anti sentiments and boycotts - not the other way around.

likewise - I used to work for a french company in the states and I know I was thankful for my paycheck from them. we were almost 99% american workers here and considered ourselves an american business even though we were owned by a french company (who used to get bombed by certain middle east concerns for their support of other certain middle east concerns).


Additionally - a global marketplace relies on best products from best countries to produce them - I drive a bmw - I use computers from china and the far east (most cases and memory and sub components - even processors are made overseas) and I enjoy traveling and other cultures. I also enjoy - french food, mexican food, italian food, rap - r/b etc. I also like all the other great things that come from all over including here. we would not be where we are except for diversity.

I think also - most overseas enjoy american products and other countries products as well - it is the diversity that strengthens and benefits.

while some small part of me says - boycott others - my economic and best practices self - says dont.

I also am very thankful for all my customers - that span every religion, ethnic background and many borders that I can think of.

I understand that many will disagree with the us, british, and other coalition members' stances on iraq (and many other things as well) - however - we as consumers and business people should not allow political specters to interfere with our business dealings and should let the politicians and governements handle those things - I believe they do that best - conversely - I believe they(government) should stay out of our business affairs as much as possible except to enable things - certainly not impede them .

I will not be boycotting anything - that does not mean I dont necessarily agree with certain others governments or not support mine - it just means I dont think intermingling business and politics is a good idea.

I am definately not a politician - probably could never get elected anyway - hehe.

I am definately a patritiotic american and support my government in most things - I will support them on this and if it turns out to be incorrect - we will remedy that through the official system. On the other hand - if it turns out to be the right thing - I wont have been un patriotic or such.

any way - to all those out there who are not like me - I love you man and am glad for who you are - I hope you feel the same. :)

now - off to get ready for some scruptious food at one of the better atlanta down home southern establishments - Imperial Fez - morroccan restaraunt - with some really nice belly dancers ;)

No 'we' didnt read into it too much, 'we' just find it abhorrent and symptomatic of a general decline in the quality of postings from supposed adults. WHT has gone to the dawgs well and truly.

As regards the issue at hand, the USA may have ulterior motives but certain countries seem to have developed amnesia. Has China forgotten about Tibet all of a sudden? They well and truly need to get the rear ends out of Tibet or face having it shot off. Russia cannot quote UN regulations while ignoring UN imposed sanctions and trading with countries. The same goes for France. You cannot selectively participate in an organisation. The UN has become a an organisation negated by corruption. How can it ever operate when member states place their own selfish needs over the greater good? How can a member country have its declaration of another countries abuse of force taken seriously when it is forceably occupying another peaceful country itself?

Originally posted by UmBillyCord

LOL. I love the uneducated.

Welcome to WHT.


You must really love yourself. ;)

Personally, I love people who when they have a really weak argument, come back with one liners that have nothing to do with what they were debating, wow that would be you again, you must overwhelmed with love.

Originally posted by bagpuss
You must really love yourself. ;)

Personally, I love people who when they have a really weak argument, come back with one liners that have nothing to do with what they were debating, wow that would be you again, you must overwhelmed with love.

Once again, your post:

Also if the reason for the dislike of America among the poor of the world was jealousy, then Sweden , Canada, Germany, Italy, Australia, Japan etc would all also be hated, but they are not, the only country that even gets close to the dislike aimed at America, is Britain, another country which over the last 300 years has had a terrible record in regards to the poorer parts of the world.

You are validating your post on nothing more then a personal feeling. Yet you try to play it off to others as fact. Sorry. That sh** doesn't fly with me.

the only country that even gets close to the dislike aimed at America, is Britain,

Care to share your sources or any studies? Thats what I though.

Know the difference between your arguement and mine. I had the balls to point out it was 100% opinion derived from experience. You post some stupid crap and play it off as fact.

No 'we' didnt read into it too much, 'we' just find it abhorrent and symptomatic of a general decline in the quality of postings from supposed adults. WHT has gone to the dawgs well and truly.

I will point out that your continued posting into something you consider degraded quality post only shows you are just as big of a contributer to this so called "gone to the dawgs" movement of WHT. Of course you will feel your comments were warrented and above others, but they surely are not. Feel free to keep beating a dead horse after I make an apology. Maybe you should take your own advice:

Grow up

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
Excellent comeback. Once again, your post:

You are validating your post on nothing more then a personal feeling. Yet you try to play it off to others as fact. Sorry. That sh** doesn't fly with me.


My first point was based on logic, not personal feeling nor fact. You originally claimed jealousy / inferiority complex were the reasons why there was hate in parts of the world for the US, now simple logic would suggest if jealousy of a high standard of living is the reason for the hatred, then people who live in poverty would also hate any other country with a high standard of living as well as the US, such as Canada, Sweden, Austrailia etc, but they don't. Therefore your argument that jealousy is a reason for the hatred is flawed logically, unless you can explain how people are only jealous of high standards of living in the US, but not of those in Europe, Japan, Canada etc..

Originally posted by UmBillyCord

Care to share your sources or any studies? Thats what I though.

Know the difference between your arguement and mine. I had the balls to point out it was 100% opinion derived from experience. You post some stupid crap and play it off as fact.


What exactly is the problem you have with the statement :

"the only country that even gets close to the dislike aimed at America, is Britain"

As for having the balls to say your opinion is derived from experience, you just said you had travelled, which in fact validates nothing.

Closed.