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I am looking to host my site and found GISOL. Any ideas on what kind of company they are?

I started using their services since April of last year. They are very cheap and very easy to use. So far, I haven't experienced any kinds of problems. Their ticketing system is also great. Whenever I had a question, they replied to me swiftly and promptly

I can't see where they say how much trafic they allow per month.. I don't know for you.. but for me.. It took me a day to load the page.

I used to host my site with another company. Their services just SUCKED! I am still fighting with them to get my money back. Anyway, after cancelling them, I had to search for a host with similar price and offers. I finally found GISOL.COM and they have been pretty good so far. I had absolutely no problems with them. Two Thumbs Up!

zimano2 and kolo12, what sites do you host with them?

I just wanted to check it out.

Yup, GISOL is good. My clients and I do not have any problems with them. I will keep recommending them.

I have a site hosted with them.
http://www.talsicam.com

It is just a private site that noone knows about so I can keep track of my beautiful dog @ work..

Still under construction by the way.
And my opinion on GISOL? Great service. Especially for newbies like me

Is funny how some newbies appers and make tumbs up.. I don't know if everybody feel the same.. but... I think that is suspicious :rolleyes:

Mods.. can you please delete that fakes messages?

Its probably that these newbies browse the board often but dont post, they only register to post because someone is asking about a not so large host that they use happen to use.

more and more links:

http://great-jones-street.com/nosepilot/*****/11/a.html

What a fun!

Madhost if u read http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=90680 you'll see that Kolo12 say there that he go to sign up tonite with gisol and here say that he is using it since April.
Do you really think that they are real newbies?

Before anyone signs up with gisol.com, they should see this page by a former customer:

http://great-jones-street.com/nosepilot/gisol/11/a.html

hostsearch post
http://www.hostsearch.com/board/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=637&FORUM_ID=3&CAT_ID=3&Topic_Title=GISOL+%2D+THE+WORST+EVER&Forum_Title=Web+Hosts+Comments+%26+Reviews

Originally posted by Deb Suran
Before anyone signs up with gisol.com, they should see this page by a former customer:

http://great-jones-street.com/nosepilot/gisol/11/a.html

Only $70 a gig! ;)

I agree with Jedito. Sometimes, these scammers are just trying to push their luck too far into public forums. To you idiotic scammers out there, please do not think that users of this forum are really what you think of them !!

Global Internet Solutions
www.gisol.com
is a Los Angeles based company
which offers several webhosting plans including
the Best Package,
a $7.95/month plan
with a 2GB/month bandwidth limit.

On 3/8/01
Global Internet Solutions telephoned customers
whose websites had exceeded traffic limits
and notified them that bills charging $.07/MB had been mailed out.
I was notified that I owed Global Internet Solutions $16243.85.
http://thewebfairy.com/nosepilot/records/bill.jpg

I have records showing that through 2/28/01
Global Internet Solutions did not have ANY bandwidth limits on ANY of its products.
In March 2001, the bandwidth limits were mentioned but in one place:
amendment "9a" of the Service Contract.
http://thewebfairy.com/gisol/11/d13b.html
Previously, the bandwidth limits existed NOWHERE.
2/28/01
http://thewebfairy.com/gisol/11/d16b.html
12/1/00
http://thewebfairy.com/gisol/11/d17b.html
12/4/00
http://thewebfairy.com/gisol/11/d12b.html
12/20/00
http://thewebfairy.com/gisol/11/d18b.html


Through the internet, I have tracked down 2 other people who have been
affected by the 2GB/month traffic limit
(I'm sure that there are more victims but I have limited means of finding them).
http://thewebfairy.com/gisol/testimonials/c1.html
It seems that Global Internet Solutions
did not notify its customers that it was changing its policies.

On 11/3/00 I paid $190.80
for 2 years worth of unlimited bandwidth hosting.
http://thewebfairy.com/gisol/instruments/q.html
My website has had very high traffic throughout my relationship with
Global Internet Solutions.
By my estimates, my website has had
300+GB worth of traffic in February,
300+GB in January,
150+GB in December and
75+GB in November.

In a 3/13/01 telephone conversation with Brian Spivak
of Global Internet Solutions's legal department,
I was told that I was being billed in March
but had not previously been billed because:
1. An amendment to the service contract
had been "made public" "30 days ago"
2. I was allowed to exceed a limit during November,
December, January because of "courtesy"
3. Global Internet Solutions had no records of traffic to my website
exceeding any limit in November, December, and January.

Between March 15 and 17,
Global Internet Solutions repeatedly refused to show me
a copy of contract that I had signed on 11/3/00.
http://thewebfairy.com/gisol/11/refuse.txt

On 4/4/01
Global Internet Solutions told my lawyer that :
1. On 11/3/00 I agreed to a Service Contract with a 2GB/month limit.
2. The Global Internet Solutions contract had not been amended since September 2000.
3. Global Internet Solutions had no records of traffic to my website
exceeding any limits in November, December, and January.
Global Internet Solutions faxed my lawyer an alleged
copy of the November Service Contract that i signed.
The alleged November 2000 contract has a 2GB/month limit
and several fewer spelling mistakes than the March 2001 contract.
http://thewebfairy.com/gisol/11/d14b.html

Around 4/6/01
the March 2001 Global Internet Solutions Service Contract
was replaced for less then 1 week by a document identical to the
"November 2000" contract that was faxed to my lawyer.
The "November 2000" was fabricated in April 2001.
Global Internet Solutions had NO BANDWIDTH LIMITS ON ANY OF ITS PRODUCTS UNTIL MARCH 2001.
The limits were secretly amended to the Service Contract to
trap customers into paying fees that they had not been aware of.

Global Internet Solutions has a history of being dishonest.
The company bills itself as
"a world recognized leader in domain name services
with over 560,000 clients in over 120 countries and growing."
http://www.mail-archive.com/isp-webhosting@isp-webhosting.com/msg01747.html
It lies to its customers that it handles big accounts
such as Motorola, Intel and Sony.
* Global Internet Solutions cannot spell.
* Global Internet Solutions does not have the technical expertise
to program basic CGI forms.
http://thewebfairy.com/gisol/7/form.gif
* Until I pointed out the problem,
Global Internet Solutions had a Control Panel
(to be used by customers to track traffic)
which did not work properly on any browser.
http://thewebfairy.com/gisol/evidence/browsers.html
* Global Internet Solutions cannot keep its own website functioning.
http://thewebfairy.com/gisol/11/broke.html

I have found numerous people who complain that Global Internet Solutions
* does not adequately provide promised support
* does not reliably provide promised products
* charges customers for unwanted services
* only provides the 30 day money back guarantee
to customers who engage Global Internet Solutions in prolonged fights

I have received printed copies of the december 2000
Global Internet Solutions website from a man who unsuccessfully fought to get his
30 day money back guarantee last year.
He contacted government agencies who agreed with him that
Global Internet Solutions was a scam,
but were not able to do anything,
because his monetary damage was too small.
http://thewebfairy.com/gisol/proof/letter.jpg
I have found numerous people in similar situations.
8 have offered their testimonials.
http://thewebfairy.com/gisol/testimonials/a1.html


On 3/8/01 I began posting an online diary in which i documented
Global Internet Solutions's activities.
http://gisol.org/
The company has largely ignored me.
Every once in a while Global Internet Solutions would correct spelling errors that I would point out.
On 5/1/01, after working very hard to avoid a conversation with me or my lawyer
Global Internet Solutions feebly questioned my lawyer
about my postings and then again disappeared.
I have not been contacted by a 3rd party collection agency
and Global Internet Solutions has made no efforts to collect anything from me.

looks like half the links in my previous message
dont work.
:D

please visit
http://gisol.org



:D ;) :stickout :mad: :rolleyes: :confused: :cartman:

talsicam,
i just went to your site
http://talsicam.com

it is definetly the work of gisol.com
no doubt about it.

this is your page:

Index of /

Name Last modified Size Description


Parent Directory 26-May-2001 10:41 -


Apache/1.3.12 Server at talsicam.com Port 80











ive seen this before.
furthermore:
whois info for your site:


___________________________
Registrant:
Administration Department (DOM-94674)
431 Easy Street Wetumpka AL 36092 US

Domain Name: TALSICAM.COM

Registrar Name: Alldomains.com
Registrar Whois: whois.alldomains.com
Registrar Homepage: http://www.alldomains.com

Administrative Contact:
Administration Department (NIC-415795) admin@gisol.com
Global Internet Solutions 807 N. Gardner Street Los Angeles CA 90046 US
1-323-655-1151 Fax- 1-323-653-6232
Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Center Network Operations (NIC-1) hostmaster@alldomains.com
Alldomains.com 2261 Morello Ave Suite C Pleasant Hill CA 94523 US
925-685-9600 Fax- 925-685-9620
Billing Contact:
Billing Department (NIC-415797) billing@gisol.com
807 N. Gardner Street Los Angeles CA 90046 US
1-323-653-4365 Fax- 1-323-653-6232

Created on..............: 2001-May-23.
Expires on..............: 2002-May-23.
Record last updated on..: 2001-Jun-04 15:53:01.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS3.GISOL.COM 209.61.157.180
NS4.GISOL.COM 209.61.155.199


_______________________

why is gisol.com
in the administrative contAct?

Ceebee
Newbie

Registered: Jun 2001
Location: NJ
Posts: 2
24.160.47.254
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12133

logose
Newbie

Registered: Jun 2001
Location:
Posts: 2
24.160.47.254
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=90680

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=31030

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=31030

this dude just changed his posts between my last post and now.

his first 2 posts originally went something like this:



Thread: Is GISOL.COM a good host?

Post: Is GISOL.COM a good host?
Preview:
I am looking to host my site and found GISOL. Any ideas on what kind of
company they are?

______________________________________________
Thread: Are there ANY GOOD CHEAP Hosts

Post: Good Host



"ive been with gisol since january"
and
"gisol is great"
or something to that effect.


i wish i would have saved things.
but the post vouching for gisol.com
has been changed.
it no longer sais that ceebee used gisol since january.

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=90450#post90450

Good Host

I am also looking for cheap hosts. This thread has certainly helped me alot.

Last edited by Ceebee on 06-04-2001 at 08:18 PM










the message was edited at 8:18PM
i posted the thread exposing the lie at 7:42PM

ps.
and one more thing.
the revised message doesnt go with the old title.
the title of the
edited message is still
"Good Host"
the original message had a stronger link to the title.
the original message
before it was edited
said
something to the effect of
"ive been with gisol since january
they are great"
a good host.

Thread left to publicly embarrass these clowns for their shameless attempt at promoting themselves. I'll tell you what *I* think GI S-O-L stands for.

Users banned, URL censored just enough so that if someone searches for them they'll find 'em.

Originally posted by Madhosts.com
Its probably that these newbies browse the board often but dont post, they only register to post because someone is asking about a not so large host that they use happen to use. Not likely, if you ask me. Check their profiles -- they only registered this morning. I find it more than a little suspicious that the newbies would come out of the woodwork on the same day to promote the same host all within thirty minutes of each other.

... The only reason why I write this (after Chicken's post) is that two of the ones I still find suspicious aren't banned.

file:///1277848/nosepilot/face/bush/89240639

so how do i get a picture
next to my name?
i have to become a junior guru?

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by nosepilot
so how do i get a picture next to my name?At the top of the page, click Profiles. Then click Edit Options. Then scroll down to the bottom, and you'll see a section that's called "Avatar". There you can upload a pic.

:blush:

Clearly, the people who you call "newbies" are different people. I am a newbie as well, and as a matter of fact, I signed up as a member right now. Why? I first agreed with the others but after CAREFULLY reading nosepilot's site (I assume everyone who dissed ********** did not do that), I was so pissed off that I had to reply to this thread. Does that make me one of GISOL's "made up" customers? I think all this accusation is bogus. (After this post, are you guys going to ban me since I am "one of them"?) Bull ****.

Nosepilot: I have thorougly read your site and found out two things about you.

1. ********** has clearly cancelled your bill (according to the letter) but you do not cease to condemn them. If your main problem was the bill of whatever amount it was and now that they cancelled it, why do you keep talking ****? I read that letter from attorney general and it asked you to stop all this activity in exchange of the cancellation of the bill. Not only are you pissing them off (I would assume), but you are still asking for the $1, for what?? You got no bills to pay, you have people hosting your site for free, ????? I see what you do now. You make people feel sorry for you and then beg for donation. You survive from people's pathetic dollars instead of working your ass off trying to survive. I mean come on AL SACUI, think about this for a minute.

2. I agree with Jay and Jane (whom you CLAIM (again) that they are the same people). You have talents, I have watched your flash animation the third time now. I really love it, yes I admit that, but YOU CAN USE THOSE TALENTS TO MAKE SOME MONEY NOT BEG FOR MONEY LIKE A ****ING BUM. Oh oops, guess what, I think nosepilot will accuse me for being Jane and Jay now. HA!

Moderator: Sorry for the bad languages, but all these posts are just pissing me off. At least I stand up for them while others just straight diss them. Please do not ban me and remove this post, I feel I have the right to say this. It just enrages me.

You guys should read nosepilot's site carefully. All that fuss he is writing about them is because of a stupid bill of $16000+. Now that it is resolved according to the letter, doesnt he have to stop all this bs? But hey! I guess he wants more $1 donations from the people who feel sorry for ya.

Sincerely,

Jeffrey Long

I heard about this about a month ago, the same person was trolling a mailing list for ISP/web hosts that I'm on with this message:

hello.
i am a consumer with a hosting problem.
i would like advice.

i have received a $16,243.85 bill for
232,055.08MB of bandwidth usage (during a 30 day period)
over a 2,000MB monthly bandwidth allowance.

please read about my situation:
http://gisol.org/7/d8.html

...it went on and on, message after message until finally we all just stopped participating in the thread.

The consensus among our group was that he should sue them if he's been wronged, and if there are others involved, then file a class-action lawsuit and gather up as many angry ex-customers as he can.

the letter is not from the attorney general.

the letter is written by ****
to the attorney general.

the attorney general has not
at
all
told me
to stop posting.



in the letter **** sais they are not contacting me.

that is the truth.
**** has never told me that the bill is cancelled.





even when i will eventually officially hear from ******
about the status of the ****** bill,
regardless of the status.
i will never stop my work.

http://great-jones-street.com/nosepilot/gisol/11/page2.html

Originally posted by JOKERX

I read that letter from attorney general and it asked you to stop all this activity in exchange of the cancellation of the bill.



Jeffrey Long

read the letter.
it doesnt say to stop my activity in exchange for the cancellation of the bill.

that is ******'s
obvious
yet never officially expressed
viewpoint on things.

the letter is written by *******.

the attorney general's viewpoint
is that the situation
should be forwarded to california officials for investigation.
these things take time.

nevertheless.
where in the letter do you get an "exhange"?

http://great-jones-street.com/nosepilot/gisol/11/june1.html

that
i am
sure
is ******'s viewpoint.
evidently.

Originally posted by nosepilot
even when i will eventually officially hear from ******
about the status of the ****** bill,
regardless of the status.
i will never stop my work.

Clearly, though -- according to the link you, yourself, provided -- ***** admits that they decided not to charge you for your bandwidth usage. Isn't that evidence enough that the "status of the bill" is that it has been dropped?

Are we to assume that "your work" is to educate the people about your bad experience? Instead, if you mean your "art", then why not just go about your business and be on your merry way, without dredging up the past -- which CLEARLY resolved in your favor.

:rolleyes: I wonder why you'd keep up the fight, seeing as how you were mercifully extricated from a potentially crushing financial blow.

And by the way -- I was one of the first people to suggest that you get a lawyer if you had felt you had been wronged. This was back in the day when this issue was brough up on FlaZoom. I wonder, now, though, why you don't just proceed with your life.

JokerX, It is not Newbies (as I am one), it is scum bags who pimp their services to a forum assuming readers are idiots. Non of these new guys even had a site to show that worked. The Moderator gave these guys the Big Chicken Dinner (Bad Conduct Discharge) they deserved.

Who really knows if ***** is a good or bad host? What I think sucks is what if they try their best, made a mistake (a big mistake), and happened to do it to a snake loaded with venom. Many host out there who jump on the Flame wagon will have your turn getting fried if you are in this business long enough. Some people can NEVER be pleased, and holy &#^$ if you make a mistake to piss them off. You could give your first born away to make up for it, but that won't do you any good. We all like to be optimist, but unfortunately it sometimes does not work that way.

nosepilot, I feel your pain but enough already.

i dont proceed with my life
because i and others are victims of crime.
the government is not looking into this issue because 1600
is too small a damage.
internet is very unpoliced.
there just isnt anyone doing anything about crime on the web
(except for sexual crimes involving youth).

i have much evidence about secret
contract switching,
fraud,
frAud upon fraud.

the company is absolutely dishonest.
people should stay away from this company.
this company deserves no business.

please read what they are doing.

someone with my credit card
went to redirection.net
impersonated me

got my password

moved my site to a chat room

where someone impersonated me
and talked about how im a lazy bum.

a criminal wants me to shut up.
a criminal who is using my credit card to impersonate me.

read about it.



this sort of crime doesnt come out of the blue.
this is the last in a string of crimes.
half the crimes are posted on my site.
half are so *****
i am only talking to the authorites about them.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
Some people can NEVER be pleased, and holy &#^$ if you make a mistake to piss them off. You could give your first born away to make up for it, but that won't do you any good.

Amen...we've had business customers go off and start hate campaigns against us because we made the foolish mistake of suspending their service when they didn't pay their regular monthly bills after several months. One sent email to every one of our customers regarding their unfair termination.

We've also had customers attempt to use this as leverage, by telling us in no uncertain terms that they expect us to keep their sites up for as long as they want us to and they'll pay us when they get good and ready, and if we don't do that, they'll report us to the AG and the BBB, and post our name to every USENET newsgroup, message board and bathroom wall on the planet. We've always called their bluff and our BBB record is still unblemished.

And for the nosepicker, er nosepilot, who's off tilting madly at windmills because he got suckered in by the 'unlimited bandwidth' shell game, he needs to settle down. Find something positive for all of this energy he has. Deal with his anger.

Phoenix sir, Why should he stop? He is trying to point out that there is a lot of fraud on the web. If people like him stop, more companies like GISOL will keep screwing with people. I think everyone should read his site and learn by his trainwreck.

If people didn't stick up for their rights, dishonesty would be the norm.:D

Originally posted by nosepilot
i have much evidence about secret
contract switching, fraud, frAud upon fraud.
the company is absolutely dishonest.
people should stay away from this company.I totally understand your concerns -- but if your accusations have any merit, why don't you get a lawyer and file suit? It's one thing to allege fraud and contract violations, but if your case is valid, you must get a lawyer and prosecute the case. Otherwise, you come across as a do-nothing complainer.

You set up a site that drew exceptionally high bandwidth. ***** charged you for it. You complained. They withdrew the charge, and decided to pay for your bandwidth usage themselves, absolving you of any responsibility to pay. You shouldn't have anything left to complain about.

What do you want? What is your goal? You can't claim that they violated your contract without forking over the evidence. I remember from postings on FlaZoom that you don't even have copies of the original terms, so unless that's changed, you still have no evidence to support your case of fraud. There's an old saying that applies here: Put up or shut up.

As for the stolen credit card -- that appears to be a totally separate issue aside from the $16,000 bill.

You dodged a bullet, here, nosepilot. You ought to discard your "victim" mentality, raise your head and move on.

Originally posted by joe public
Phoenix sir, Why should he stop? He is trying to point out that there is a lot of fraud on the web. If people like him stop, more companies like GISOL will keep screwing with people. I think everyone should read his site and learn by his trainwreck.

He should not stop trying to fight dishonesty, but he's not doing it right at all. He's way too angry and hysterical so that when he posts, instead of being seen as a warning against a bad host, and possibly finding some more ex customers, it ends up as nothing more than a troll. All he does is end up getting people that he should be trying to get to join him, annoyed by him.

He did get the outstanding balance taken care of. He's joined forces with other disgruntled customers. Now, he needs to deal with his anger and communicate what has happened in a rational and dispassionate fashion if he wants people to take him seriously, instead of being put off by his manner.

His reporting of the situation sounds a little too personal now. Instead of saying "Gisol is another web host that defrauds their customers with the unlimited host shell game and needs to be blackballed", it's more "Gisol is a bad host that tried to rip me off and impersonate me, etc., etc., etc.,".

I still believe that class-action lawsuits are an effective way of dealing with such problems. His 16K may not be that large on its own, but if his lawyers can get enough angry former customers with the same problem, that can rack up quite a large dollar amount, which with damages, can make a big stink.

On June 3, some spammer hosted by ********** spammed a domain on my server. I sent a notice to abuse@********** and have not hard from them.

That would be enough for me to disqualify them from consideration. I despise spam enablers every bit as much as I despise spammers.

i told myself i wouldnt get back on this post.
cause i gotta chill.

but.
im crazy.
i cant help myself.

jokerx.
what do you plan to do with your website?
http://www.geocities.com/jokerx

?
________________________________________
The web page you are trying to access doesn't exist on Yahoo! GeoCities.
http://www.geocities.com/jokerx
Try a search or visit our help area for more information.

Visit our Yahoo! GeoCities home page to build your own free web site.
____________________________________________

thats the website currently in your profile.
what gives?

fake posts from G_I_S_O_L employees on this board. I love it, they come here and to the host search( http://www.hostsearch.com) board and rating area and post up fake reviews or sites. There is software out there that can actually see when a site is put up, but I guess they do not know about that. How stupid are these people at G_I_S_O_L? Nosepilot dude, along with the moderator Chicken (right on dude!) have shown that they are fake, but yet they keep trying. JOKERX are you real?

G_I_S_O_L should be closed down. They take dishonesty to a new level? Please, do not ever think about using their services (or lack there of them). There is so much bad info on them, it is disturbing really. Nosepilot says he has sooo much more, but what he has let out is enough to scare anyone away. So please, to protect your investment, keep your site on line, and avoid the worst customer service and tech support, AVOID G_I_S_O_L LIKE THE PLAQUE!!!!!

Host search is allowing these fake posts and reviews to happen, so please beware when reading them if you go to that site as well.

Originally posted by JOKERX

2. I agree with Jay and Jane (whom you CLAIM (again) that they are the same people). You have talents, I have watched your flash animation the third time now. I really love it, yes I admit that, but YOU CAN USE THOSE TALENTS TO MAKE SOME MONEY NOT BEG FOR MONEY LIKE A ****ING BUM. Oh oops, guess what, I think nosepilot will accuse me for being Jane and Jay now. HA!




this is my proof buddy:

at
http://www.hostsearch.com/showcomment.asp?companycode=692
"brian"
briandesign@hotmail.com
uses
216.104.228.155
on 5/12/01
to post:
"I have been a client of GIS for over a year now. They have provided me with great support and service. I currently have over 400 clients on
there servers and more to come soon. If anyone would like a personal quote about this company please feel free to email mail me."

he has never given ME a quote.
does he respond to ANYONE?
ive even emailed him about this post.
____________________________________________
"jane taylor"
uses many ips to write me from,
one of them is
216.104.228.155
the same with jay.

this is the almost entire body of emails sent to me by jane/jay:

http://great-jones-street.com/nosepilot/gisol/11/janejay.txt

this is the macintosh netscape preferences for jane jay emails:

http://great-jones-street.com/nosepilot/gisol/11/janejay.sit

(jane stopped writing me once i linked her to jay,
but immediately after i said this on my website
he wrote in to deny a connection to jay)

i have emailed bot jay
oilxlio@yahoo.com
and jane
nicolecarre@yahoo.com

to invite them to this post

notice how all these email addresses are conveniently yahoo and hotmail.

jokerx. what do you plan to do with your website? http://www.geocities.com/jokerx

Why do you care what do I do with my website?

Nosepilot dude, along with the moderator Chicken (right on dude!) have shown that they are fake, but yet they keep trying. JOKERX are you real?

Three things:

1. Hey nosepilot, while accussing GISOL for "fake posts," seems like your friend here is one of your fakes. You have trained him well my friend.

Say.. Who is this Joe Pilot from your site?

but others have. this is forwarded to me by joe... >--- Joe Public wrote:
> > we know who you are, and we know what you are doing.
> > It is only a matter of
> > time.

2. Joe Pilot: Don't speak as if you have come from nowehere and started to support nosepilot when your name is all over his website. Thanks

3. Joe Pilot: I am pleased to announce that indeed, I am real.

notice how all these email addresses are conveniently yahoo and hotmail.

So.. What is wrong with hotmail or yahoo e-mails? Are you looking for something more "professional?"
Think of it this way.. Say I am nosepilot (Oh god.. never mind, it is disgusting to think about it.)
Say I am one of your opposers. I e-mail you stuff that you will not like to hear. You put it all over gisol.org (without their consent of course, cuz you are good at that :)) Hundreds and hundreds read your page and sooner or later, I will probably get "hate e-mails" and spams from your few supporters. So.. Logically speaking (if you have any kind of logics that is), would I post one of my "professional" e-mails that is spam-free and is only for business purposes only? Or should I post one of my free e-mails that I already get enuff spams from where I wouldnt give a **** about getting anything else from you or your supporters?

Nosepilot: I am surprised I didn't make it to your site yet. You seem to post every little interesting thing that happens on your site so you can get hits and possibly 1 dollar donations to make your living. Heck, I am surprised you are only talking **** to me from this 40+ thread where more than half support GISOL.

Nosepilot:

I said it before, and I say it again. Your bill is apparently cancelled so why dont you stop posting stupid **** like this and use your time to do something more productive? All I see now are non-intelligent, subjective posts that are highly influenced by your hatred.

I have only seen a few good flash designers and you are one. You will probably be able to amass some more dollars than done $1 donations from people who feel sorry for ya.

According to your journal, you seem to be home 24/7, not mentioning the fact you broke up with your girl friend to do this. LOL. You are either gay or have no ****ing life. "Just my two cents." :) You can also reach me @ xtin2k@yahoo.com . Just no spams. =]

Sincerely,

Jeffrey Long

yes, being mentioned once is being "all over" the website. I am just another person that was investigating G_I_S_O_L when I learned of nosepilot's problem, so I forwarded an email to him. Other than that, I have seen G_I_S_O_L's dishonesty and would agree with him. And I have not seen evidence to change my mind that they are a good company.

And really, what is so frickin wrong in finding out the truth about a company? Damn.

my site is truth.
it advises people against hosting scams.
thats why i dont take it down.

as for the money,
hosting costs $500/month.
the people make the traffic.
i will not pay for the traffic.
historically
no artist has payed out of his pocket to have his sculpture/paintings
displayed.

if it costs $500 out of artists' pockets to display on the web,
artists will not come to the web.

yes people are currently hosting me.
this was an unexpected show of support.
the money will go only to honest hosting companies.
i will keep the trinkets but not one penny of the money.

read my site.
it is advise folks to protect
themselves from web crime
which is highly unpoliced.

gisol has never officially contacted me about the bill cancellation.
in fact they are dodging me.
they are trying to
intimidate me into taking down the site.

i will never do this.




























never

http://hostglobal.com/Reviews/Hosts/1022-1.html

yes, that's right people, more bad info about G_I_S_O_L.

Originally posted by nosepilot
as for the money,
hosting costs $500/month.
the people make the traffic.
i will not pay for the traffic.
historically
no artist has payed out of his pocket to have his sculpture/paintings
displayed.
Then get a sponsor. There is no such thing as a free lunch. You demand that GISOL pay for your bandwidth -- when it costs them out the nose to do so -- simply on the grounds that you are an artist.

Guess what! I'm an artist too! Now you pay for my site, why don't you?

If you're art's so great, you ought to have no problems getting someone to pay the $500 a month to have your art displayed for all the world. Canvas, marble, and even bandwidth all cost money.

ive got money.
there will never be a sponsor or advertising on my site.
people have sent in over $3500 to pay for hosting my site.
why is this an issue?

why is the fact that
i was charged $16,243.85
for $500 worth of traffic
a lesser issue?

the topic is:
"is GISOL.COM a good host?"
does anyone have any information about their businees practices?

Originally posted by nosepilot
the topic is: "is GISOL.COM a good host?"Yes, it is. However, based on all the available evidence, I cannot conclude that they aren't a good host. I continue this debate because I believe you are belaboring an old issue -- one that was resolved in your favor, to the detriment of GISOL. I can see no other possible motive for this than your own personal desire to seek revenge on them for your inconvenience. I believe you are acting unfairly, despite your feverish assertions to the contrary.

According to your documents, you used over 232 Gigs of traffic in a month. I've found no host that would offer such allowances for any less than about $1000/month. But I won't dispute the issue if you say you've found one that will host your site for less.

My point is that the documents you have provided neither prove nor disprove your case against GISOL. They claimed they informed you of the new rate schedule; you cannot prove they didn't -- simply because there is no evidence either way. Lack of proof [that they contacted you] is not proof of lack [that they didn't contact you].

GISOL made the best of a contentious situation, albeit after your complaints, and absolved you of the responsibility to pay for their charges. They absorbed the costs of your bandwidth usage. Regardless of whether GISOL has directly contacted you regarding the official status of your bill, the letter forwarded to you by the state attorney general is plenty proof enough to repel the collection agency should they come knocking.

I respect all honest efforts to combat true injustice. However, your persistence in this matter after its beneficial resolution to you frames you more as a whiner than a crusader. Your attorney would probably advise you to give this issue a rest, lest you be visited by a lawsuit for loss of business or defamation.

I am glad you have found sponsors to support your art. But your case for victimhood is not convincing. I do hope you chalk this one up to experience and choose to focus on your art instead of dwelling on past wrongs done to you (whether real or perceived).

this is what really happened.

on march 8 gisol.com called up its customers that had
exceeded 2gb
during a 30 day period
and billed them.

the 2gb limit was secretly inserted into the contract
just before
the bills were sent out.

a trap.

all i have proof of
is that on february 28
there was no 2 gb limit
anywhere.
anywhere.
not in the contract not hidden anywhere else.

so.
people got billed for
30
days worth of traffic over 2gbs.

people had signed up for unlimited bandwidth.
people were not told that the contract was being changed.

then the cover up began.
on a march 13 telephone conversation,
brian spivak
of gisol.com
said that
i was being billed because the contract was changed
"30 days ago"

which was a lie.

then more cover up:
gisol.com
sent a contract to my lawyer
that they said
i signed in november.
the contract has my digital signature on it.
the contract has a 2gb limit.

so
in real life
there was no 2gb
until march 2001.

at this point in the cover up
gisol.com sais that
they have not changed their contract since
september 2000.
and
that 2gb existed since then.

after i dug up printouts of limitless contracts
gisol
changed its story
to what you see in the letter to the attorney:
some lie about some notice being sent out
and me claiming that i never received it.

this story is all new to me.

i had no idea until i saw this letter
that gisol.com's
story was that they had sent a letter and i was denying this.

notice that i never discuss this in my journal.
they have never told me that they had attempted to send me a letter.
i never had a chance to deny this lie.

until
until now.
until now that i see the letter to the attorney general with
a lie.

my friend.
please read the journal.

it is full
of documentations if
gisol.com
dishonesty.

really.
how can you
dispute this lie:?

"Global Internet Solutions is a world recognized leader in Web Hosting, Web Development, and High Speed Internet Access. We offers 24
hour, 7 day a week toll-free technical support whether it's day or night one of our helpful and knowledgeable representatives will
be happy to serve you in any possible way "

http://hostglobal.com/Reviews/Hosts/1022-1.html

cal them now.
is the phone answered?
chances are its not.
i believe the phones begin to be answered past noon
philadelphia time.
i have called but the folks wont talk to me.
i hAve a $16000+
bill and they wont talk to me.
they have told the attorney general a bunch of lies
about how the bill came to be.
who's to say if the bill cancellation is another lie?
they are full of lies.

the 30 day money back guarantee is a lie.
when you try to get your money back,
you are told that the money is given back only if gisol cannot fix the problem.
then the crew threaten you with all sorts of mean things if you try to explain the problem.
http://great-jones-street.com/nosepilot/gisol/11/exerpt.txt
i have talked to 1 guy who finnaly struggled the 30 day money back guarantee out of gisol.
i have talked to 4 who struggled very hard yet never got the money back.

for referance:
this is how to struggle the money out:
send this letter:
______________________________________

-----
You asked for a reason why I want my account cancelled. The short reason is
that I am getting poor value for my money.

For $8 a month, I do not expect a great deal. But I do expect my site to
stay up most of the time. I do expect my domain names to work, and I do
expect job tickets to be answered in a complete fashion.

For three months, one of my two domain names did not work correctly.
Submitting multiple job tickets accomplished nothing. From November 2000 to
February 2001, one of my domains was useless, and Gisol tech support did not
address the issue for months.

Then there is the new Control Panel. I have successfully completed an
operation with it only once. Most of the time, I am unable to log into it.

Then there is the quality of your tech support. I don't expect fast
turnarounds for $8/month, but I expect to have the work performed correctly.
Often, when I asked for a change in my account, the work was only half-done,
with important elements undone, leaving me in a worse state than before.
Subsequent job tickets requesting that the situation be corrected would
often be ignored, and then marked as closed.

Then there is the downtime. For $8/month, I do not expect a perfect service
record. But the amount of downtime has been increasing. And then your
service went down the week of March 18, and it took you three or four days
to come back up. It was painfully obvious that you were rebuilding your web
server from scratch. And then, you asked your customers to re-upload their
files. This could only mean that you had no backup.

This was the final straw. The Gisol web page suggested that this catastrophe
was a deliberate server upgrade. If so, it was the most incompetant server
upgrade in the history of mankind.

More likely, someone at Gisol caused the server to crash, requiring a
rebuild. In either case, there should have been at least some redundancy in
your system. There was no redundant server, and no tape backups.

I no longer trust your company to do the job for which I am paying you. I
want out. Cancel my account immediately.
-----

the company is plenty bad.
read 15 or 16 pages of proof:
http://gisol.org

Originally posted by bigmattyh

I respect all honest efforts to combat true injustice. However, your persistence in this matter after its beneficial resolution to you frames you more as a whiner than a crusader. Your attorney would probably advise you to give this issue a rest, lest you be visited by a lawsuit for loss of business or defamation.

I am glad you have found sponsors to support your art. But your case for victimhood is not convincing. I do hope you chalk this one up to experience and choose to focus on your art instead of dwelling on past wrongs done to you (whether real or perceived).

Hear, hear...but I'm afraid your words have fallen upon deaf ears.

That's always the problem when a troll smells blood in the water.

Yes, Phoenix.

I agree.



It seems that there is no way
to cajole reason

from those whose purpose
is at odds with it.




And so,

I bow out.


G'night everybody!!

im a gay panhandling nosepicking ogre.

gisol.com
is a huge company with "over 560,000 customers in more than 120 countries."
http://isp.com/res/r2005-00.html
they should have nothing to fear from me.

if my website full of 3 months' worth of
acussations of fraud and crime
is indeed false,
they should be able to easily flick me off
with a liable suit.

they shouldnt need jay/jane writing me from anonymous yahoo emails
(but from the same computer)
intimidating me about how they can dig up info on my family
and how
i will be "crushed."
http://great-jones-street.com/nosepilot/gisol/11/janejay.txt

they shouldnt need folks to call me names on some boaRD.

theyre a big company.
they should be able to take care of themselves.

saith the nosepilot:

so its established then

im a gay panhandling nosepicking ogre.

That's better, lighten up a bit, show that sense of humor. Remember, you are preaching to the choir in this forum.

When you come on like :kaioken: and :uzi: and :bawling: it's a little hard to hear your message.

If the company whose name is so vile it trips the censor is as big as you say, you should be able to find a lawyer who will take a class-action suit on contingency. Just make sure he can smell the blood on the water, and the money in their bank.

Give him plenty of evidence and documentation, and you should have no problem.

the company is a scam.
they aint got no dough.
the whole company is a lie
about to collapse.

:agree:

nosepilot says:

im a gay panhandling nosepicking ogre

Couldn't have said it any better :D


Jeffrey Long

gisol.com
bullies customers out of their domains.
is this common practice in the hosting world?

if there is a problem with billing,
and
there
are
obviously
problems
with
billing,
gisol.com takes over the administrative contact
whois info.

gisol.com always
already starts people off
by taking over the
tech contact info
from the very start.

so
this is their bully tactic which they havent yet pulled on me but have to many others.
the customers are afraid to go on record because they dont want to anger the criminals.
who have a hold of their
urls.

heres a sample:


ubject:
gisol lies when they say they will buy domains for you
Date:
**********
From:
*********
To:
<onlineaccess@nosepilot.com>




I bought web hosting including the domain name...

well, they put themselves as the administrative, technical AND billing contact. I tried to contact the registrar alldomains.com and they told me I have no recourse, I
have to contact gisol if I want my domain name. I spoke with gisol and they say, it belongs to me according to them as long as I pay them. They believe that everyone
is stupid and don't know anything. I have to be nice to them because they can hostage my account and I could do nothing. My domain is my business so I'm
****ED. DO you know of any internet ombudsman so I can reclaim my name?



------------

The Admin Contact info is set to our company in order for us to take charge of the domain when the bills are not paid. You have full ownership of this domain, but
we only take care of the Administrative and Billing Portion of the domain name.
Regarding your username and password to alldomains.com, please contact them and they will be happy to provide you with a username and password.

Here is their contact info:

Phone: 925-685-9600
E-mail: support@alldomains.com

Sincerely,

Global Internet Solutions
----------------------------------

Ok well if this thread goes on any more I might have to hang myself. Have we discussed everything that can be discussed about this issue? If so, anyone mind if I lock the thread?