Hi,

I'm trying to update my reseller plans, and i noticed that most (if not all) hosts sell unlimited domains and use traffic and space to make plans.

I'm wonder how hosts do that, do you think number of domains not matter if space and traffic within the package?

or they depend on the fact of reseller will not sell that match ? somthing like overselling but in domains ?

please let we share thoughts about that ..

its a risk everyone takes - yes if a reseller came in and added 10,000 domains it would ruin the box - most people that say unlimted also say that its "within reason"

ok ... let we share some technical experiance

i have to put 5 resellers in each box to get the box costs, the server will slow down after 600 or 700 domains (disregarding what they use) .. so the risk is not to get 10,000 domains per reseller ... the risk is to get 100 domains per reseller .... and 100 is very low than unlimited ..

do you think 100 domains is easy to reached by the user?
do you force your reseller to buy dedicated server is he sold much more?

Originally posted by 2Mhost
ok ... let we share some technical experiance

i have to put 5 resellers in each box to get the box costs, the server will slow down after 600 or 700 domains (disregarding what they use) .. so the risk is not to get 10,000 domains per reseller ... the risk is to get 100 domains per reseller .... and 100 is very low than unlimited ..

do you think 100 domains is easy to reached by the user?
do you force your reseller to buy dedicated server is he sold much more?

im a little confused by whats going on here, but basically if you have a deal with your resellers and your resellers are "overselling" themselves by offering unlimited bandwidth -- thats not your problem.

psychalgia: basically ... i'm talk about number of domains .. not bandwidth or space

Originally posted by 2Mhost
psychalgia: basically ... i'm talk about number of domains .. not bandwidth or space

well, i dunno if it would be your right to impose a limit ... your provider doesnt limit you on how many "customers" you keep.

Yes but a server can only handle so many domains and so much bandwidth and if you are the one offering the services for sale you have every right to dictate exactly what is included or not - thats like saying every cell phone provider needs to offer unlimited everything...

Originally posted by atjeu
Yes but a server can only handle so many domains and so much bandwidth and if you are the one offering the services for sale you have every right to dictate exactly what is included or not - thats like saying every cell phone provider needs to offer unlimited everything...

does it really draw on a server that much more to have 100 domains pulling 100 megs/ea hten it would for a server to have 10 domains pulling 1000 megs/ea?

i'm still asking who offer unlimited domains on the reseller plans

- do you think 100 domains is easy to reached by a reseller?
- do you force your reseller to buy dedicated server is he sold much more?

Originally posted by 2Mhost
Hi,

I'm trying to update my reseller plans, and i noticed that most (if not all) hosts sell unlimited domains and use traffic and space to make plans.

I'm wonder how hosts do that, do you think number of domains not matter if space and traffic within the package?

or they depend on the fact of reseller will not sell that match ? somthing like overselling but in domains ?

please let we share thoughts about that ..

Why is this so hard to figure out. Just use the same lies you use to offer your unlimited bandwidth on accounts that cost $1.5/mo. I am sure you can figure it out. ;)

Originally posted by psychalgia
does it really draw on a server that much more to have 100 domains pulling 100 megs/ea hten it would for a server to have 10 domains pulling 1000 megs/ea?

I would like to know this too...

Shasta

Why is this so hard to figure out. Just use the same lies you use to offer your unlimited bandwidth on accounts that cost $1.5/mo. I am sure you can figure it out.

so its lies ?? unlimited domains lies ..... thats what i expect to hear..


by the way .. unlimited transfer is not lies .. do you want to buy a server for $89/mo with 500gb traffic ?

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Originally posted by psychalgia
does it really draw on a server that much more to have 100 domains pulling 100 megs/ea hten it would for a server to have 10 domains pulling 1000 megs/ea?
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i think 100 will slowdown the server more than the 10 .. at least the down time while restarting Apache .. with 100 will be slower .. with 1000 may take 5 min

how many freakin' subdomains can you have one a site anyways, 50 is more than enough!

at my previous work we had arround 4500 "domains" on each server and it didnt slowed it down that much. even a complete reload of apache was done in less than a minute.
we used at this time sun boxes (e450) but nowadays intel boxes should have the same performance....

tassilo

Originally posted by tassilo
at my previous work we had arround 4500 "domains" on each server and it didnt slowed it down that much. tassilo

:eek:

The number of domains shouldn't matter as long as all the sites fit in the aloted space and bandwidth. If you place limits an account with unlimited domains, it becomes like unlimited bandwidth

Originally posted by tassilo

we used at this time sun boxes (e450) but nowadays intel boxes should have the same performance....

AMD boxes would have a similar performance...

as I understand it, and I could be wrong ;)

1000 domains would technically be slower, but prolly not enough for anyone to notice. This in terms of the length of time it takes the server to map the domain name to a folder and serve the index.html file.

I think where folks might be confusing the issue is in terms of system resources needed to handle serving 1000 domains. Are they all single page html brochure type sites? You'd prolly be ok. Are they running forums, nuke, etc? I kinda doubt it, certainly not within what I would consider acceptable performance parameters.

So - in terms of Apache mapping the domain name to a folder, prolly not a noticeable difference, other than during restarts.

In terms of system resources, depends on the content and user load. Hard to define a number that fits all situations.

Originally posted by mpalamar
The number of domains shouldn't matter as long as all the sites fit in the aloted space and bandwidth. If you place limits an account with unlimited domains, it becomes like unlimited bandwidth

That's not exactly true.
Number of domains matter.

~Brendan

Originally posted by PositiveHost
That's not exactly true.
Number of domains matter.

~Brendan

Care to back that up with something that resembles a fact? I mean, with your extensive experience in this business from 1998, I think it would be a great learning experience to hear your technical analysis of unlimited domains. :)

Don't forget that the more domains on the server, the more often apache is going to be restarted during any one day as customers update their configurations - add new virtual servers (new subdomains, new domains), delete accounts, park domains, etc. These all require apache to be restarted.

You will be amazed at how often apache gets restarted in a day. Lets look at one server I have with about 100 cpanel accounts and we can assume there are about 200 virtual hosts all up (rough guess). Apache is restarted about 150 times a day! Which is more frequent than once every ten minutes!

So you have 2000 accounts on that server? How long does the apache restart take? I was under the impression that even with a ton of domains it would still only take milliseconds. Granted anyone pulling a website during the restart command probably has to refresh their browser so that can be a problem...

Just make a caption in your TOS regarding whats reasonable and whats unreasonable and offer unlimited domains or make it unmetered domains.

Originally posted by freakysid

Apache is restarted about 150 times a day! Which is more frequent than once every ten minutes!

The more reason you need a powerful CPU to take care of these restarts fast! No less than a 1.3 Ghz... and not a celeron, for sure!

Originally posted by tassilo
at my previous work we had arround 4500 "domains" on each server and it didnt slowed it down that much. even a complete reload of apache was done in less than a minute.
we used at this time sun boxes (e450) but nowadays intel boxes should have the same performance....

tassilo

4500 domains in one server. All sites were static html pages or database.

:eek:

bind will be hurting on a large number of domains. as for apache restarts, its just a sighup (reload), not a full start/stop. much more gentle =]

paul

Originally posted by tandem
The more reason you need a powerful CPU to take care of these restarts fast! No less than a 1.3 Ghz... and not a celeron, for sure!
hehe - how swiftly the river flows. When I ordered that dedi - I had to pay extra to "upgrade" to a 1.2GHz PIII

we did unlimited domains and learned the hard way lessons about processes served, how much intel architecture can handle.

lost a bunch of money due to this offering.

one point you missed is the email and the drag on system resources an overstuffed box has on the email handler.

we have one guy that would have gone nuts with php nuke if we hadnt started charging for each instance of a mysql..


of course you could always put these people on a crummy box running cogent bandwidth and turn off the phone and ignore the emails...

for our 2 cents unlimited anything is a great business tool that can kill you

i think its the most usefull thread in WHT ..

I asked my support guy (outsourcing) via ICQ:

me: disregarding connectivity ... can the proccessor have 4000 domains each one have single or couple of HTML pages .. and around 5 email messages per day ?

him: 4000 domains is a bit bigger figure I guess
him: we can accomodate a maximum of 1500 per server

we brought down a server with 1100

1500 is too high

1100 was too high

700 seems to be a max

keep the mysql to a minimum