We've only had an account with HostCharge for a short time, due to our merchant account not yet being ready and wanting to move away from PaySystems. Currently, they owe us almost $30,000 (a few dollars less), since November.

While $30,000 isn't a whole world, it is still quite an amount of cash and we've been trying to resolve this since November peacefully, however keep getting excuses that the wire transfer has been sent, 2 weeks later is has been sent again and then another 4 weeks later, we get told that their merchant bank is not releasing the money and now there is still nothing on our account.

We have contacted their merchant bank and so far, according to them, they have not been able to find any trace that HostCharge has made this wire transfer request to our account.

Since Trevor MacGill, the owner of HostCharge, is a former employee of MCHost, we do have all the true contact information, which is not the address in London listed in the HostCharge whois, but the true address in Eastern Canada.

If you are being owed money (whether $50 or $5000) by HostCharge, please email me at marc@mchost.com so that we can include your details in our lawsuit which will be prepared tomorrow and you will most probably get your money. Additionally, we are discussing this with RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) officials for possible fraud.

Thanks.

Your dogma was ran over by your kharma.

Out of curiosity, are you naming HostCharge, or Trevor in the lawsuit?

Also, if you are filing in US Court, what's the basis of jurisdiction? Not saying there isn't any - i just can't think of how it would play in the courts...

We'll be naming HostCharge, most probably. However, HostCharge is owned by Trevor MacGill who is located in Canada. This is going to a Canadian court.

Originally posted by akash
Out of curiosity, are you naming HostCharge, or Trevor in the lawsuit?

Also, if you are filing in US Court, what's the basis of jurisdiction? Not saying there isn't any - i just can't think of how it would play in the courts...

MC Host is Canadian. Makes it easy.

Marc,
What is the mailing address for McHost?

MC Host is Canadian. Makes it easy.


That i didn't know, thanks ;).

So if any US clients wanted to join in on the suit, would that be possible in Canadian courts?

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
MC Host is Canadian. Makes it easy.

We're actually incorporated in 4 different countries, including Canada and the US. We've had international lawsuits before, including in countries as far as Pakistan (trademark issues), so there's no problem.

I have already received information from 6 people who HostCharge owes money too, which i'm sure will make court decisions easier.

I have to ask. What is the purpose of suing them if the bank won't release the money? Even if you win you will still have to wait for bank to release the money plus you'll be out lawyer fees.

I'm not sure how canadian courts work, but if i were to name HC in a US lawsuit, I could name HC plus the owners themselves which would make any of their US assets liable to liquidation..

I'm assuming Marc's goal is the same...

Originally posted by akash
I'm not sure how canadian courts work, but if i were to name HC in a US lawsuit, I could name HC plus the owners themselves which would make any of their US assets liable to liquidation..

I'm assuming Marc's goal is the same...

Not if it is a Corp. or LLC (which it is - Acenet Corp). :). You would have to spend cash trying to Pierce the Corporate Veil.

ubc,

in this case you usually claim negligence/willful mismanagement on the part of exec officers of the corp and go after their insurance money (if present) and their assets (in absence of the former).

contrary to popular belief, asset protection is meant to protect those who invested in a business that failed, not those who incoproprated in order to commit fraud and obtain a get out of jail free ticket.

paul

What about negligence on the part of the owners/directors/managers? Couldn't that be used as just cause to hold them liable? Of course you'd have to prove them to be negligent...

edit: i type slow with one hand (i had lipton in the other :stickout: , paul hit it before i did :))

hey i live in london ontario canada... if that helps lol

Im going to start watching cops

bad boys bad boys watcha gonna do watcha gonna do when they come for you

However I think Ashar is the crook behind hostcharge and Trevor is not entirely to blame.

Ashar is the one who should be brought back to the us and taken through our courts system He is truly a crook

If the bank is not releasing the money, then a law suit against host charge will not do you any good. What you have to do is fill in a lawsuit with hostcharge against the bank.

If host charge has the money and not actually releasing it to you guys then he'll probably end up filling a Bankruptcy and it still wont be any good for you guys.

Marc, with MChost's income which you state is pretty high why didnt you get a Merchant Account as for the difference in commision fees alone would pay for a full-time billing staff. Not considering all other factors.

Originally posted by Sina
Marc, with MChost's income which you state is pretty high why didnt you get a Merchant Account as for the difference in commision fees alone would pay for a full-time billing staff. Not considering all other factors.

He stated a few things about time to get a mercahnt account in his original post, and im assuming he simply wanted to make sure he had the RIGHT merchant account, to avoid things like this.

I believe Marc said in the 1st post he was using HostCharge temporarily till his Merchant Account got set up.

Originally posted by Sina
If the bank is not releasing the money, then a law suit against host charge will not do you any good. What you have to do is fill in a lawsuit with hostcharge against the bank.

If host charge has the money and not actually releasing it to you guys then he'll probably end up filling a Bankruptcy and it still wont be any good for you guys.

Marc, with MChost's income which you state is pretty high why didnt you get a Merchant Account as for the difference in commision fees alone would pay for a full-time billing staff. Not considering all other factors.

A lawsuit against Trevor that proves negligence will allow for all his assets to be seized, the bank isn't the only source of funds.

Hostcharge should have taken suit against the bank long ago, they chose not to probably to save money...that was their choice and there are consequences for that.

Maybe you forgot to read the post?! Marc said he used Hostcharge for a short amount of time while they transitioned from PaySystems to his merchant account. :)

It's one for the legal eagles to chase. I take it that they owe mchost 30k Canadian $$$$? Let's hope that all those who are owed $$$ by hostcharge, get paid.

HostCharge bills in USD so it prolly more like $45K CAD.

Originally posted by brandonk
Maybe you forgot to read the post?! Marc said he used Hostcharge for a short amount of time while they transitioned from PaySystems to his merchant account. :)


I assume you didnt read my post, Im not talking about right now, I read mark stating to bring in $$$$ more than 6 months ago and getting a merchant account doesnt take a couple of months as a proper and well known one can be setup within 48 hours.

Thank You

Originally posted by rusko
ubc,

in this case you usually claim negligence/willful mismanagement on the part of exec officers of the corp and go after their insurance money (if present) and their assets (in absence of the former).

contrary to popular belief, asset protection is meant to protect those who invested in a business that failed, not those who incoproprated in order to commit fraud and obtain a get out of jail free ticket.

paul

This is all true. As I stated, you are trying to Pierce the Corporate Veil when you take this approach. Courts in the US, are pretty good at protecting business owners personal assests. If books are clean and gross negligence couldn't be proved, it would be an uphill battle. This is what I have seen anyway. But most cases I have seen were BS anyway, just someone trying to make a buck. :)

Originally posted by Aussie Bob
It's one for the legal eagles to chase. I take it that they owe mchost 30k Canadian $$$$? Let's hope that all those who are owed $$$ by hostcharge, get paid.

US funds.

Originally posted by MCHost-Marc
US funds.
Ouch. :(

From the emails i have been getting from others to which HostCharge owes money, they own at least an additional $10,000 more to these individuals.

Hi,

I was just wondering how many ripped-off hostcharge clients (one being me) have actually joined Marc on this, and what is the status?


Thanks

To Everybody,
allow me to summarize what has happened, in case you are not aware.

we (hostcharge) have been in business for a year now. for this entire period we have been using Acces-Securise (www.acces-securise.com aka Agence Colibri).
for the first 8-9 months with them, we were happy with the service they offered, but then problems started arising.

the first problem occured when we changed our bank.
our new bank account had wire instructions that could not be understood by the accounting department, because they contained an 'intermediary bank' a concept that was foreign to them.
wires started arriving late, we contacted them continually over telephone and email to guide them through it, no success. we even had our new banks manager contact them to explain to them how to send the wire, it failed again.
this process took a bit over a month, because recieving a wire from took 5-7days, once rejected (due to incorrect info) they said it took 5-7 days for it to return to them so that they could try again.

After pleading with their management, they agreed to start sending wires directly to our clients, this happened around the middle of January. We were able to start sending out wires, many of our clients recieved their money.
I had the time to request approximately 30 wires (11 were confirmed as sent) before we recieved some bad news.

Acces-Securise sent out an email informing that their bank had stopped their processing, and that the funds were frozen(for ALL clients, not just hostcharge), no more orders would go through their system. It is also at this point, that Acces-Securise stopped answering to emails, and telephone calls. To this day, after nightly attempts, they have still not answered us in any way.
It was impossible for us to know which wires were completed, and any further requests were not performed.

Since that time, i have been dealing with other Acces-Securise clients that have been affected by this, there are many. A Class Action was being organized in order to retrieve funds, but Acces-Securise filed for bankruptcy and no suit could be performed.

We were all notified that Acces-Securise was working with a court appointed moderator, and negotiating with another bank to resume processing and transfer the funds. A deadline was set for February 15th, there is no news to date.

Earlier this week, i recieved note from a client of theirs located in france, that it was discovered that Acces-Securise had not paid their civic obligations and that a Juridic Administrator had been assigned to the case in order to investigate (no more details were given).

This is where we are at this point, we await word on the investigation and hope for a rapid release of funds so that all clients can be paid in full.

All i can do is apologize to everybody affected by this situation, i am truly sorry and wish there was something i could do to have all the funds sent out immediately.
Everybody involved has been deeply affected, hostcharge has lost all its clients and reputation forever, i have even been deeply personally affected as i paid out as many clients as possible out of my pocket, thinking the money would soon be released, but we now know that is not the case, and as you all now know, i have lost my job as well.
More importantly, our customers have been affected, i truly am sorry if this has affected your business. We always had the best intentions, we wanted nothing but to run the greatest 3rd party service there was, and to offer a solution that was perfect for webhosting companies. Again, i apologize for what has happened.

If there is ANY questions that i can answer regarding the situation i will be happy to do so, there is nothing to hide here and absolutely any information that i have i will be happy to pass onto clients. I do not wish for anybody to be in the dark with what is happening here, it is my wish that everybody understands the situation.

I can be contacted at trevor@acenetcorp.com, i will reply to all emails sent my way.

Again, i apologize to everybody affected.


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To Marc,
i have been trying to contact you for weeks and weeks (telephone, email, instant message) regarding the situation but you continually ignore me when i know that you are available, and then you find the time to send me the odd message telling me you are confused and do not know what is happening, if you really cared, why don't you listen or reply all those times i try to contact you?

the fact is this, i have been working for your company for 18months, i was a faithful employee (friend?). you know very well that i have not done a single thing during that time to make you suspicious of my authenticity, or given you any reason to question my loyalty or trustfulness.
you never once tried to talk to me about the situation, wether it be to let me explain what was happening or ask what you could do to retrieve your funds, you simply did not care. why is that?

for the record, i did forward you an email (from myself to acces-securise) in which i requested your wire. i am sure you recieved it.

as an unrelated aside, i have to this day, NOT been informed of my dismissal from your company.
naturally i was wondering what happened when the emails stopped arriving, but i heard nothing from you.
my email is still functional. i have recieved no email, no IM, no phone call from you letting me know that i was fired
i await your contact marc, enough throwing around threats and making comments on WHT, you know full well how you can contact ME.


trevor@acenetcorp.com

Waiting almost half a year for $30,000 just doesn't work. Either you haven't put enough legal pressure on the processing company or you're not sending it, period. I have talked to you and i've heard all the "it has been sent", "it will be sent monday" and "sorry, i can't pay it to you".

Well, i'm sorry too, but saying "i can't pay you" doesn't work and i will get what legally belongs to me. I believe i'm being very kind here, everyone else wouldn't have given it almost half a year.

Originally posted by TrevorM

I can be contacted at trevor@acenetcorp.com, i will reply to all emails sent my way.

trevor@acenetcorp.com

Trevor,

We all know that's a lie, I have been emailing you (I think every ripped-off client has) for months now I haven't received a single reply from you!

I just asked you over and over again to just reply to me and acknowledge that you've received my email but nothing...

So what are you saying now? are we going to see our money at some point or this is a goodbye story?

Here are newsletters from Acces-Securise to us.
They are in french, i would suggest Babelfish to translate them.

De : "La Direction" <infos@acces-securise.com>
Société : Acces-securise.com
Répondre à : "La Direction" <infos@acces-securise.com>
Date : Sat, 1 Feb 2003 19:26:50 +0100
À : <infos@acces-securise.com>
Objet : Suspension temporaire de service

AGENCE COLIBRI
1A rue Voltaire
82000 Montauban - France

Montauban, le 01/02/2003

Madame, Monsieur,
Nous vous informons que, suite à certaines difficultés rencontrées avec son
prestataire bancaire, "www.acces-securise.com" est contrainte de suspendre,
à compter de ce jour, pour une durée encore indéterminée, ses prestations de
centrale de règlement du site (Option 1).

Aucun débit ne pourra donc être effectué par "www.acces-securise.com" sur le
compte des internautes clients, et dans la mesure où ne connaissons pas
encore la durée de la suspension du service, nous ne pouvons que vous
conseiller d'entrer en contact avec un nouveau prestataire.

Dans l'attente, les informations bancaires fournies par les internautes
continueront à être collectées par notre service et nous poursuivrons le
contrôle de la validité des cartes bancaires dont les données ont été
transmises.

Les responsables du système "www.acces-securise.com" seront à votre entière
disposition pour communiquer à votre prestataire l'ensemble de ces données
qui lui permettront de procéder au débit des comptes des internautes.

Nous vous remercions de bien vouloir nous excuser pour ce désagrément.

Nous sommes à votre entière disposition pour répondre à l'ensemble de vos
questions à l'adresse "infos@acces-securise.com".

Nous vous prions de recevoir, Madame, Monsieur, l'expression de nos
salutations distinguées.
La Direction
www.acces-securise.com


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Répondre à : "La Direction" <infos@acces-securise.com>
Date : Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:37:19 +0100
À : <infos@acces-securise.com>
Objet : Explications détaillées concernant www.acces-securise.com

Chers Clients,

Nous faisons suite à notre message du 1er février 2003, dans lequel nous
avions le regret de vous informer de la suspension, pour une durée
indéterminée, des prestations de centrale de règlement du site
"www.acces-securise.com".

Nous sommes parfaitement conscients du fait que cette annonce, peut être un
peu brutale, ait pu vous inquiéter.

En outre, nous avons pu constater que depuis cette date, les informations
les plus fantaisistes circulent sur le net au sujet de notre Société.

En conséquence, il nous semble impératif de vous donner de plus amples
informations sur la situation actuelle de "www.acces-securise.com" et de son
évolution à court terme.

Notre Société connaît, depuis quelques semaines, d'importantes difficultés
avec son prestataire bancaire qui a brutalement mis fin à nos accords
commerciaux début décembre 2002.


Or, au fil des semaines, notre Société n'est pas parvenue à trouver un
établissement bancaire qui lui fournirait un nouveau service bancaire de
qualité.

Ceci est déterminant dans la mesure où, sans partenaire bancaire,
"www.acces-securise.com" ne peut assurer ses prestations.

C'est pourquoi, comme vous le savez sans doute, notre Société a été
contrainte de déposer le bilan le 4 février dernier, non pas pour échapper à
ses engagements, mais, au contraire, pour favoriser son redressement.

La Société est ainsi actuellement en période d'observation, l'administrateur
désigné étant chargé de rechercher l'ensemble des solutions permettant la
poursuite de l'activité de la Société.

Des contacts encourageants ont, d'ores et déjà, été établis avec de nouveaux
partenaires bancaires, ce qui laisse supposer que la survie de notre Société
est encore une hypothèse tout à fait réaliste.

A cet égard, nous vous confirmons que notre Société dispose d'une trésorerie
importante mais, à ce jour, indisponible, les sommes présentes sur ses
comptes étant actuellement bloquées par son prestataire bancaire.

En toute hypothèse, nous pourrons vous assurer une réponse définitive sur le
sort de "www.acces-securise.com" le 15 février prochain, date à laquelle :



- soit la Société sera en mesure d'honorer ses créanciers,

- soit la liquidation de la Société devra être prononcée faute pour
elle d'avoir pu trouver un nouveau partenaire bancaire.



Vous serez contacté courant semaine prochaine par le représentant des
créanciers désigné par le jugement d'ouverture afin que vous puissiez
déclaré votre créance.



Nous vous présentons, une nouvelle fois, toutes nos excuses pour l'ensemble
de ces désagréments qui, croyez-le bien, nous touchent également très
durement puisqu'il remet en question sept années de travail acharné d'une
équipe jeune et dynamique.



Soyez, en toute hypothèse, convaincus que nous mettons tout en oeuvre pour
assurer la survie de "www.acces-securise.com", et surtout pour honorer nos
engagements à votre égard.



Nous espérons que ces éclaircissements permettront de dissiper quelque peu
le malentendu qui semble s'être instauré au sujet de
"www.acces-securise.com".



Nous ne manquerons pas de vous tenir informés des suites de ce dossier qui
devrait être définitivement réglé en fin de semaine prochaine.



Nous vous prions de recevoir, Chers Clients, nos salutations distinguées.
La Direction
www.acces-securise.com

ouch..big mess

My side of the story...

As much as I tried to stop posting on WHT, certain comments by certain members of this board really set my blood boiling. So once again I have decided to step in to clear my name.

First of all, various of you have linked our organization to terrorism and what not. I've been called names (like crook and what not) especially by a certain someone who has posted in this thread. While I wont stoop to his level and call him names like he has called me. I will definately set the record straight.

First of all, most people don't know me and what roles I've played in Acenet Corp Ltd.

What I do
I am a research and development officer for Acenet Corp Ltd. I develop all the technologies they have used in the past including the HostCharge MCC. I was also developing the MCC version 2 which never made it to release because of the "Acces-securise" fiasco.

I do a lot of technical support, systems maintainence. Database administration and pretty much the entire backend maintainence.

Yes I am a director of Acenet Corp Ltd, however I am not the sole person making descisions all descisions in our company are made by voting, there is no one person who makes all the descisions.

The certain member whose nickname shall go unmentioned has apparently linked all the problems of our company (Hostcharge namely) just to my management.

While I can't blame him for thinking so, because I have been a very active WHT member since a year + now and I have been participating in various discussions about my company on this board. I can't say he is right either about posting what he posted about me, because it is all absolutely untrue and it is shocking what certain people have posted about me. I wont ask for apologies from these people, all I can say is I am deeply hurt. I just hope you don't set such an example for your offsprings (if you have any or plan on having any).


To unnamed member who has been constantly attacking me,
I am deeply upset by some of the accusations being thrown my way on these boards recently. It has even been as extreme as linking me with terrorist organizations, no doubt solely because of my country of origin.

I have been honest and straightforward, while I may sometimes rub people the wrong way and while I may be from Pakistan, that does not make me a criminal. I have gained nothing from this ordeal, other than a phone bill well over a few thousand dollars due to constant long distance calls to France.

To all hostcharge clients,

Believe me when I say this, we are doing every single thing possible to clear up this mess. And we will continue doing so until this situation is resolved.

Sincerely yours,
Ashar T. Saeed.

Originally posted by MCHost-Marc
Waiting almost half a year for $30,000 just doesn't work. Either you haven't put enough legal pressure on the processing company or you're not sending it, period. I have talked to you and i've heard all the "it has been sent", "it will be sent monday" and "sorry, i can't pay it to you".

Well, i'm sorry too, but saying "i can't pay you" doesn't work and i will get what legally belongs to me. I believe i'm being very kind here, everyone else wouldn't have given it almost half a year.

Marc,
For starters, you have not been waiting half a year, these problems started in december, that is not 6months.
Also most of your funds had not even cleared until earlier this month, as per our payment schedule. (not to mention the sum of money you keep mentioning is not correct)

I'm not expecting you to cut me any slack, i simply tried to contact you continually to explain the situation. (thinking for some reason since i had been your employee/friend for 18months, knowing that you trusted me you might listen, but i guess not, thats fine).

The fact is you never asked me what was happening u, ALL of our clients email me asking what is happening, but you never bothered, you did not care, and you STILL don't care.
My numerous attempts to contact you to prove to you that the bank was indeed 'holding' our funds' were fruitless, you never bothered to reply. If you want to contact me, you know how to find me.

Marc, again, our funds are being held, i do not have a penny of your funds. i continue to work towards a resolution day and night.

Originally posted by webserve
Trevor,

We all know that's a lie, I have been emailing you (I think every ripped-off client has) for months now I haven't received a single reply from you!

I just asked you over and over again to just reply to me and acknowledge that you've received my email but nothing...

So what are you saying now? are we going to see our money at some point or this is a goodbye story?

I'm looking at an email right here where i explained to you the situation, you replied thanking me for the update, did you forget that? If an email to me has gone unanswered, please try again, i am getting alot of emails but i should reply to every one of them.


why would this be a goodbye story?
we're stuck around for the past 3months, why would we disappear now?
we have no reason to disappear, we have stuck around and will continue to do the same until there is a resolution regarding the funds.

you can contact me at trevor@acenetcorp.com

Originally posted by TrevorM
Marc,
For starters, you have not been waiting half a year, these problems started in december, that is not 6months.
Also most of your funds had not even cleared until earlier this month, as per our payment schedule. (not to mention the sum of money you keep mentioning is not correct)

There has been no wire transfer from you since early November. Most of our funds haven't been cleared since earlier this month? The majority of our transactions were from last year; don't tell me it takes months to clear funds.

Originally posted by TrevorM
The fact is you never asked me what was happening u, ALL of our clients email me asking what is happening

I have all the emails and conversations here, including:

"Your wire will be sent next Monday"
"It didn't go out on Monday, it will go out Friday"
"Yes it went out today"
"Sorry, i can't pay you"

etc.

Originally posted by TrevorM
Marc, again, our funds are being held, i do not have a penny of your funds. i continue to work towards a resolution day and night.

At this point, this doesn't work for me. If your funds are really held, you should have taken a lawyer. I've played the game by HostCharge's rules since November and it didn't work.

Again, there has been no wire since November.

Originally posted by ^Kyo
My side of the story...

As much as I tried to stop posting on WHT...
Asher has mailbombed the forum and due to this, he has been helped in the area of "trying to stop posting on WHT". While the moderators have tried very hard to keep things fair to Asher (I've personally wasted many, many hours cleaning up threads from outraged members and members who have needlessly commented), he has repaid us with one of the most ridiculous emails we've ever gotten (no more on that, sorry), and bombed the mod box. Anyway, point is he's outta here so you probably want to limit and direct your questions and comments to Trevor.

Hey Marc ... are your lawyers regular visitors to this board? There is some very compelling evidence here ;)

Originally posted by TrevorM
I'm looking at an email right here where i explained to you the situation, you replied thanking me for the update, did you forget that? If an email to me has gone unanswered, please try again, i am getting alot of emails but i should reply to every one of them.


Trevor,

I have never forgot that and as a matter of fact like I told you before as soon as I received my first and only wire and UPDATE from you I not only posted in your own forum to let everyone knows but I have also posted it here: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=111742 on the same day I received it.

but what is bothering us up to this point to make this type of comments in a public forum is that I have been nice to you, I have been begging you and I have been mad like crazy but nothing has obviously been working to recover our fund, and during the past few weeks/months I have sent you tens of emails asking you for updates postings in forums but its just seems that it is going to nowhere, and nobody really cares.

We need what is belonged to us, we have been working hard to make that money that now it's been blocked by a bad decision of some one we trusted to handle our most important part of our business. And its been way damn too long that every one is loosing the control.

Originally posted by MCHost-Marc
There has been no wire transfer from you since early November. Most of our funds haven't been cleared since earlier this month? The majority of our transactions were from last year; don't tell me it takes months to clear funds.
It can take 30-45 days to clear funds, as has been our policy since the beginning.



Originally posted by MCHost-Marc
I have all the emails and conversations here, including:

"Your wire will be sent next Monday"
"It didn't go out on Monday, it will go out Friday"
"Yes it went out today"
"Sorry, i can't pay you"

etc.

so you must also have the email in which i requested your wire to Acces-Securise.
I did request your wire as i promised, i do not know why you didn't recieve it.

Originally posted by MCHost-Marc
At this point, this doesn't work for me. If your funds are really held, you should have taken a lawyer. I've played the game by HostCharge's rules since November and it didn't work.

Again, there has been no wire since November.
Understood, it doesnt work for me either, what Acces-Securise is doing to all of us is not right, and we realize that.
And as i said, we did organize lawyers to retrieve funds, but they are hiding behind bankruptcy laws, although Moderators and Administration is now looking into the matter to make sure it is resolved. I apologize.

PS. a wire was sent to you in december (12/18/2002), i have the record here. again, you know how to contact me.

Originally posted by webserve
but what is bothering us up to this point to make this type of comments in a public forum is that I have been nice to you, I have been begging you and I have been mad like crazy but nothing has obviously been working to recover our fund, and during the past few weeks/months I have sent you tens of emails asking you for updates postings in forums but its just seems that it is going to nowhere, and nobody really cares.

I don't know what more i can say than what i said on the previous page.
We are working constantly at trying to recover the funds, i do not know why you would believe otherwise.

If you need to contact me, you can do so now, i am available.

Originally posted by webserve
We need what is belonged to us, we have been working hard to make that money that now it's been blocked by a bad decision of some one we trusted to handle our most important part of our business. And its been way damn too long that every one is loosing the control.
Unfortunately there was no way for us to foretell what was to happen, our funds were abruptly and suddenly cut off, if we would have known this would happen beforehand we most certainly would have taken care of it before it happened.
Again, i apologize.

Trevor, how many new signups have you had since this whole 'tragedy' erupted?

It's kind of funny, but I'm looking at your website, and for wanting to keep everyone informed, would you not want to post this in your news section or post an open letter to your customers explaining the situation?

Originally posted by iamdotca
Trevor, how many new signups have you had since this whole 'tragedy' erupted?
Luckily we disabled signups in early november while we were working on the new MCC, new signups were to be accepted when it was released, but that was before this happened.

Originally posted by iamdotca
It's kind of funny, but I'm looking at your website, and for wanting to keep everyone informed, would you not want to post this in your news section or post an open letter to your customers explaining the situation?
We send out private newsletters via email and we have a members only area on our forum.

P.S. Have you checked your 'Suggested Improvements' forum lately ... there is a most interesting public service announcement. :emlaugh:

Place your bets folks, how long will this post stay on the hostcharge forum site ??? I bet Trevor is going to have one busy day today :eek:

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
Not if it is a Corp. or LLC (which it is - Acenet Corp). :). You would have to spend cash trying to Pierce the Corporate Veil.

I would have to disagree on this one.
There are a few points you can use here.

One, if they are not registered as a foreign corporation in any US state but have US partners or shareholders you can sue any US shareholder and attach personal assets.

Also, I have spoke with a few clients who have been with Hostcharge a while who had received wire transfers from a US based bank from a Personal account in Kentucky or Virginia. I am sure you can do some research and find out. When you start using a US based account and you are not a registered business, you can again go after personal assets if there are any.

There are many many ways you can go after this through a cival suit and probably even more ways through a criminal hearing because of the lack of proper business registrations, IRS reporting, and probably treasury licensing.

In hostCharge's case, i think a business is expected to make restitution. If you need to take out a loan, or use credit in order to have the cash to pay back your clients, then that is what is needed. No company that deals with cash (basically becoming a bank of sorts) should ever start without having a decent cash reserve.

I feel for McHost, and realize how hard it would have been to hold restraint this long for 30 grand. I respect Marc for waiting this long to go public, as well as his openess to help others involved in this ordeal. I take it McHost is probably the most effected by the hostcharge deal?

Originally posted by flamesburn
In hostCharge's case, i think a business is expected to make restitution. If you need to take out a loan, or use credit in order to have the cash to pay back your clients, then that is what is needed. No company that deals with cash (basically becoming a bank of sorts) should ever start without having a decent cash reserve.

I agree. So I wonder if Ashar would like to spill some of his personal funds...ya know, the ones that paid for his thousands of dollars worth of phone bills.

Trevor, I haven't received funds since OCTOBER when you told me a check had been mailed! This didn't start in December, it was OCTOBER.

I've been reading this thread since it started and I have a few comments to make on it.

First of all, its absolutely appalling at how many of the people in this thread rejoice over the misfortunes of others. I didn't know a situation this serious could be so funny. I won't point out any names but you know who you are and you're probably grinning widely while reading my post. I do expect some smartass remark as this seems to be the trademark by a sizeable amount of WHTers.

I don't think HostCharge is a scam or ever was, of course I would never use them because they don't do ACH transfers, but thats besides the point. Some people should ask themselves questions such as:

Why would the directors of HostCharge sit around so long if they were frauds? I don't think this is another Timmah situation its too involved to be.

If Marc purposely ignored Trevor as stated, then it does seem weird that he is acting innocent on the boards. No one knows how he acts off the boards, etc. I'm not saying Marc is a bad man, just this too seems a bit weird.

While I don't know the entire situation, the fact that they have posted emails on these boards and apologized numerous times should show that these people are determined to retrieve the funds of their clients. If they had not been, I'm sure they would have hauled high tail last year.

Furthemore, some people are questioning the business practices and legalities of HostCharge ..... sometimes I wonder if all the businesses here on WHT are practicing legally or even have a solid business plan ..... :eek:

All I can say is good luck to you all who have not received your funds and good luck to the directors of HostCharge in retrieving these funds and clearing your personal names.

Here here !
I totally agree with ReyoxLLC

Originally posted by ReyoxLLC
If Marc purposely ignored Trevor as stated, then it does seem weird that he is acting innocent on the boards. No one knows how he acts off the boards, etc. I'm not saying Marc is a bad man, just this too seems a bit weird.

Too weird? Lets see, what would you do if a company owes you $30,000 since almost half a year and they are refusing to pay it out? You just say "oh, its ok i will wait until some day you have sorted it out". From personal experience, you'll never see your money again because the person will care less and less every day about sending you the money.

I believe that after waiting since November, i have given this a lot more time than everyone else would have.

Originally posted by MCHost-Marc
I believe that after waiting since November, i have given this a lot more time than everyone else would have.

agreed.

Originally posted by ReyoxLLC
First of all, its absolutely appalling at how many of the people in this thread rejoice over the misfortunes of others. I didn't know a situation this serious could be so funny. I won't point out any names but you know who you are and you're probably grinning widely while reading my post. I do expect some smartass remark as this seems to be the trademark by a sizeable amount of WHTers.

While I don't know the entire situation, the fact that they have posted emails on these boards and apologized numerous times should show that these people are determined to retrieve the funds of their clients. If they had not been, I'm sure they would have hauled high tail last year.

You have a lot of guts posting these comments without anything specific. I don't think anybody feels this situation is funny, unless maybe you do?!

You DO NOT KNOW the entire situation, that you are correct, so why bother posting? You know so little...this thread is nothing compares to the countless wires, checks, atm cards, announcements that never came. This thread accounts for about 1/200 of the time I have already spent on HostCharge. Just because these people "reply" (hardly) to emails and post on this board does not mean anything... What does mean something is that we have been lied to over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over AGAIN, intentionally or not, the affect is the same. MANY people are without funds, MANY people don't even know about this thread, there are so many people that go onto the HC member forums everyday and say "Hey it's been awhile since I've gotten anything from you, where's my mone?" - TO THIS DAY clients still are not fully aware that HC hasn't released their funds. Oh and don't bother posting anything about WHT over there because Mr. Friendly Nice Guy Ashar will remove it instantly and warn or ban you.

These guys have had months to get this issue straightened out. Don't expect us to be friendly anymore...we tried that, it didn't work.

Why is just Ashar being singled out by eveyone ?..Its just coz he is Pakistani ?..I Feel for him....Seems like many Racists hang around in here

Originally posted by shehzada4
Its just coz he is Pakistani ?..I Feel for him....Seems like many Racists hang around in here

Yes that is exactly the reason, we are all racist. I cannot believe you even posted that. The fact that this board is made up of a pretty good mixture of cultures from all around the world, leads me to feel that color isn't something that maters here.

Im willing to assume that less then 50% of active board members are even white, let alone have anything against him being from Pakistan.

Please don't bring culture into this argument, its not relevant and im sure no one wants to hear your comments regarding it.

EDIT: I also just wanted to state that youve made 4 posts on this board at this point, not one of them having any content nor regarding anything particular. I feel its safe to assume you have another username on this board, or you have no reason to comment on anything regarding hostcharge or "racist board members".

Originally posted by MCHost-Marc
Too weird? Lets see, what would you do if a company owes you $30,000 since almost half a year and they are refusing to pay it out? You just say "oh, its ok i will wait until some day you have sorted it out". From personal experience, you'll never see your money again because the person will care less and less every day about sending you the money.

I believe that after waiting since November, i have given this a lot more time than everyone else would have.

Trust me I totally understand why you feel frustrated, but can you honestly say that Trevor has been ignoring you or blatantly refusing to pay you? I'm quite sure that if he had the funds he would do it, right?

This is of course, if you think that your (former) employee is lying to you. I'm not here to start a flame war, just some people need to seriously evaluate some things. I feel for you, trust me I do.

Originally posted by brandonk
You have a lot of guts posting these comments without anything specific. I don't think anybody feels this situation is funny, unless maybe you do?!

You DO NOT KNOW the entire situation, that you are correct, so why bother posting? You know so little...this thread is nothing compares to the countless wires, checks, atm cards, announcements that never came. This thread accounts for about 1/200 of the time I have already spent on HostCharge. Just because these people "reply" (hardly) to emails and post on this board does not mean anything... What does mean something is that we have been lied to over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over AGAIN, intentionally or not, the affect is the same. MANY people are without funds, MANY people don't even know about this thread, there are so many people that go onto the HC member forums everyday and say "Hey it's been awhile since I've gotten anything from you, where's my mone?" - TO THIS DAY clients still are not fully aware that HC hasn't released their funds. Oh and don't bother posting anything about WHT over there because Mr. Friendly Nice Guy Ashar will remove it instantly and warn or ban you.

These guys have had months to get this issue straightened out. Don't expect us to be friendly anymore...we tried that, it didn't work.

I'm not sure what you mean by me having guts to post my comments, I feel they were very warranted. I never pointed out any individual names just stating that people are actually HAPPY that HostCharge has run into the situation it is.

Brandon, do you think they are frauds and if so why?

I'm sure you will get your money soon.

Reyox, I, for one, certainly do not like to see any company go into finacial ruin, unless of their own demise.

To all hostcharge clients,

Believe me when I say this, we are doing every single thing possible to clear up this mess. And we will continue doing so until this situation is resolved ...

What is simply comes down to is that alot of people are out alot of money. It's not the customer's fault that HC, unfortunately, was shafted. The only relevance it has is that their customers aren't receiving payment they are rightfully entitled to.

iamdotca,

Yes totally understandable....why didn't the directors of HostCharge ask the customers to join them in a class action suit? If it was done earlier before access-securise filed bankruptcy a lot could have been done beforehand.

Originally posted by couped
I'm sure you will get your money soon.

It's been 4 months and I have yet to receive any funds.

It's been 4 months and I have yet to receive any funds.

I am sorry dbbrock1. My comment was geared towards the thread starter. I really do hope that you and the others get the money that is owed to you :)

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
Not if it is a Corp. or LLC (which it is - Acenet Corp). :). You would have to spend cash trying to Pierce the Corporate Veil.

Shouldn't be too hard with this bunch.

Just a thought.. Isn't this why a business would have insurance??? Incase something like this happened, you could atleast get payment to the customers, and either let the insurance company go after it, or you go after it... I thought there was a form a business insurance that would cover something like this...

Back to the initial topic :) I received emails from around 20 people and i will definately get back to everyone. It seems that HostCharge owes at least $55,000 USD (including ours). Of course, those numbers will have to be verified but that is what i got from everyone and i really appreciate it and do certainly see a big possibility to recover the outstanding balances.

If you're reading this thread just now and HostCharge owes you money, you can still send me an email to marc@mchost.com .

While Trevor of HostCharge claims that HostCharge does 'does not have a penny in its name', i have already found several assets of HostCharge's parent company. Yes, in the end this will most probably go onto HostCharge's insurance and if they do not have an insurance, onto the HostCharge owner's personal funds or assets.

I will keep you all updated on the situation :)

I'm sure we'll be up to thirty pages on this thread when everything is said and done!?!

Originally posted by shehzada4
Why is just Ashar being singled out by eveyone ?..Its just coz he is Pakistani ?..I Feel for him....Seems like many Racists hang around in here

Ashar is not being singled out he is the major player here. He started adebill it failed just as hostcharge has failed now, But with less customers. And then he turned around and started hostcharge.

Has nothing to do with him being pakistan. If he is he is breaking the law anyways.

It is currently illegal to conduct business with any company within pakistan making all us based companies using merchant services through hostcharge illegal and void. I would contact the ftc as well ad the department of justice.;

It is currently illegal to conduct business with any company within pakistan

Can you kindly prove this statement? :)

Pakistan does its maximum business with US as far as i know..but anyways..;)

Originally posted by MarcD
Ashar is not being singled out he is the major player here. He started adebill it failed just as hostcharge has failed now, But with less customers. And then he turned around and started hostcharge.

Has nothing to do with him being pakistan. If he is he is breaking the law anyways.

It is currently illegal to conduct business with any company within pakistan making all us based companies using merchant services through hostcharge illegal and void. I would contact the ftc as well ad the department of justice.;

I don't know if I would totally agree with you on this statement. If his business is registered in Canada or the UK then you are conducting business with them. If they were not even registered at all, then you may have a point.
Although he does have to be a foreign registered corporation and register with the dept of treasury for providing overseas merchant services. So, you could get the IRS involved.

But where you state 'It is currently illegal to conduct business with any company within pakistan making all us based companies using merchant services through hostcharge illegal and void. " That is highly debatable.
Most of these companies didn't even know who they were dealing with or what legal entity.

This should teach all to due their due diligence before letting someone else handle their money.

Good luck to all.

It is currently illegal to conduct business with any company within pakistan

I just searched the internet and read on an informational site that business trade between Pak and US is in Billions of dollars yearly, so i guess this statement might not be true, especially when Pak is one of the strongest allies of US nowdays... :)

hmm..i just thought this might just be useful.. http://lists.isb.sdnpk.org/pipermail/econo-list/2002-November/003156.html

Originally posted by TrevorM
We send out private newsletters via email and we have a members only area on our forum.
P.S. To me, it seems that sometime recently all (negative?) posts on their forum were 'coincidentally' erased.

http://forums.hostcharge.com/

Originally posted by alwaysweb
P.S. To me, it seems that sometime recently all (negative?) posts on their forum were 'coincidentally' erased.

http://forums.hostcharge.com/

So what's going on? I can't post in the hostcharge forum any more, all my complaint posts have been deleted, in fact there is no complain at all any more and there hasn't been any new post since March 3rth!!??

Are we all have been abandoned from this precious helpful forum? is it only me or anyone else is experiencing the same thing?

any friend here from france??
perhaps you can help these guys check up on that french merchant account provider company

Hi MCHost-Marc,

Have you guys applied for ATM cards to get access to the USD $55,000 (and the rest) that Hostcharge collectively owes all of you ?

If you had an ATM card, you wouldn't have to rely on their wire transfers (which it appears shall never materialize).

When you go to the Hostcharge website, it comes up with a pop-up which proclaims:

HostCharge.com ATM cards are now available for ordering ! Please get your card today by emailing trevor@hostcharge.com

... Maybe you should give this a try, as a last resort.

Failing that, I realize you have no option other than to pursue your legal action.

If the money isn't available though, I don't think the ATM cards would be of any use...

I did email you Marc, did you receive it? I saw the notice on the 4th of March and tried to get it to you asap...the very same day.

This is from an email I sent February 1, 2003. We are still owed money from October 2002. If I count on my toes, it's still 6 months, Trevor. I don't know where in the world you are getting 3-4 months.

Sunday, February 02, 2003 2:47 AM
Hello Greg & Sara,

You shall receive your wire this coming week. If not by Friday, please email our Payments Department and we will investigate why not.

Sincerely,
Acenet Corp Ltd.
Payments Department

-------------------------
All e-mail correspondence with the Acenet Corp Ltd Payments Department is deemed confidential and all
information may not be shared with outside parties.
-------------------------
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg & Sara
To: payments@acenetcorp.com
Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 4:41 PM
Subject: When will I get my money?


Hi,

We are GNS Hosting. We have a pending wire, supposedly. When should we expect our money?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The email was sent out on the 1st of February. Before that email I received an email in reply to another inquiry in January about my "pending wire".

After the email above I received an email from Hostcharge telling me "We're very displeased to inform you that due to certain difficulties with our French Merchant Bank, we are no longer able to process transactions for an unspecified time." It goes on to say that "We will resume operations under our new merchant bank shortly. We have drawn various contingency plans to prevent something of this nature from happening in the future. These include acquiring merchant accounts directly on behalf of our clients and various other plans which cannot be revealed at this time."

So, when exactly will I get my money? I'm thinking when pigs fly.

I'm upset with the entire situation and the only good thing about it is that I pulled out when my gut told me to, mid-October. After being with Hostcharge for exactly 2 months with our new business. We are very happy with another billing company. You can say what you like about Paysystems, but, I for one am happy to have a company that does answer the phone, support tickets (usually) and gives me my money without making me jump through hoops, call people in Florida (James) or request it through a control panel. It magically appears in my checking account without me having to do anything. Which is how it should be.

Trevor, you had a lot of guts to post what you did on this thread. I applaud you. I just wish you had done that exact post on your forums about 2 months ago, or sent it to all your clients via email.

That's my 2 cents :)

Sara

Originally posted by Gadget Girl
This is from an email I sent February 1, 2003. We are still owed money from October 2002. If I count on my toes, it's still 6 months, Trevor. I don't know where in the world you are getting 3-4 months.
Well, Marc admits his began in November or thereabouts. As to yours:
October-November month 1
November-December month 2
December-January month 3
January-February month 4
February-March month 5 (although it's only a few days into March, so it may not count for much)

Or is your math different?

Originally posted by choose another name
Hi MCHost-Marc,

Have you guys applied for ATM cards to get access to the USD $55,000 (and the rest) that Hostcharge collectively owes all of you ?

If you had an ATM card, you wouldn't have to rely on their wire transfers (which it appears shall never materialize).

When you go to the Hostcharge website, it comes up with a pop-up which proclaims:

HostCharge.com ATM cards are now available for ordering ! Please get your card today by emailing trevor@hostcharge.com

... Maybe you should give this a try, as a last resort.

Failing that, I realize you have no option other than to pursue your legal action.

That was another useless failed idea from hostcharge!

When they can't transfer the fund from the bank (that assumingly has frozen your money) to your ATM card then what is it good for!?

I got my card about three or four months ago and I suppose to see by balance instantly in my statements! But that never happened like everything else.

Originally posted by bear
Well, Marc admits his began in November or thereabouts. As to yours:
October-November month 1
November-December month 2
December-January month 3
January-February month 4
February-March month 5 (although it's only a few days into March, so it may not count for much)

Or is your math different?

Seems kind of trivial, 5 months, 6 months...who cares.

I was actually supposed to receive a check DURING october, so for me it has been 6.

Originally posted by TrevorM
... our new bank account had wire instructions that could not be understood by the [Acces-Securise] accounting department ...

It is difficult to believe that a credible Banking Institution could not figure out how to perform a wire transfer.

Originally posted by TrevorM
... what Acces-Securise is doing to all of us is not right ...

Hostcharge clients have no relationship whatsoever with Acces-Securise. They have never signed an agreement with Acces-Securise. They have never paid any fees to Acces-Securise.

They are Hostcharge clients, and solely Hostcharge clients. They are owed money by Hostcharge, and solely by Hostcharge.

It Hostcharge's responsibility to repay the money they owe them.

Whether Hostcharge chose to invest their clients funds with Acces-Securise, the Bank of Nigeria, Beenz.com Internet Currency, Stock in Enron, Real Estate on Mars, or whatever else ...

... How Hostcharge chose to invest their clients funds, was a decision made solely by Hostcharge, with the risk assumed solely by Hostcharge.

It doesn't remove the obligation of Hostcharge to repay the money they owe to their clients.

I assume that, like any prudent business, Hostcharge have Business Indemnity Insurance, which will cover the liability of the funds owed to Hostcharge clients.

If Hostcharge cannot pay their clients the money they owe them, then MCHost-Marc (and others) have every right to initiate legal action to recover their funds from Hostcharge's insurer.

Originally posted by TrevorM
... you [MCHost-Marc] did not care, and you STILL don't care ...

On the contrary, it appears MCHost-Marc cares VERY MUCH about the USD $30,000 owed to him by Hostcharge. He cares so much, he's taking legal action. This is a hell of a lot of money.

What he DOESN'T care about, are the excuses from Hostcharge. The ONLY thing he cares about, is obtaining the money owed to him by Hostcharge.

And if the only way he can achieve this, is through legal action, then who could blame him ? No-one could be expected to "walk away" from that sum of money, without exploring all possible measures to get the money back.

you hit it right on

Originally posted by choose another name
Hostcharge clients have no relationship whatsoever with Acces-Securise. They have never signed an agreement with Acces-Securise. They have never paid any fees to Acces-Securise.

They are Hostcharge clients, and solely Hostcharge clients. They are owed money by Hostcharge, and solely by Hostcharge.

It Hostcharge's responsibility to repay the money they owe them.

:):agree:

I haven't gotten back to everyone who has emailed me, however i definately will get back to each and every one, i believe we have a very strong case. I believe if one person goes against HostCharge, there would be a low chance to quickly get a court decision, but there are so far at least 30 people who HostCharge owes between $100 and $10,000 to each of them, in total approximately $50,000 (rough estimate), including ours. If HostCharge is not informing its clients on what is going on and simple refusing to pay the owing amount of money as if nothing ever happened, it is getting into fraud.

Fraud must and will be investigated and/or prosecuted by proper authorities, in this case by the RCMP, since both HostCharge owners are located in Canada.

HostCharge has not kept us up-to-date on the issues with Acces-Securise, nor ever informed their client there was any legal action through the French Government going on (if there is any, i don't know).

For all we know, there could be nothing happening at all and everyone waiting months and years for their money. HostCharge and its owners do have assets which can, and will, be used to pay back the debt.

Trevor, you said i do not care. Let me tell you this. You owe me $30,000 USD for 5 months. In those 5 months, *I* have provided *YOU* with a job and on top, i have even paid your salary every month. For all the money you owe me, you would have to work 15 months for free to pay it all back, not expect a paycheck every month on top of it, which i have always paid to you.

I will be very interested to see how this turns out. For those who don't know, lawsuites in Canada work very differently then lawsuites in the US. Our judges and law enforcement have much strickter policys up here.

I feel for you guys. I tell ya, you're a LOT calmer than I'd be if this company owed me $3000 - let alone $30,000 .. :o

But there's something that I'm constantly thinking while reading this thread. Let's say this just keeps going from company to company, with absolutely no resolution of the funds. If there's no money - can't this/these organization(s) simply file bankrupcy? And if that were to occur - wouldn't you REALLY be sh** out of luck?!

For those who don't know, lawsuites in Canada work very differently then lawsuites in the US. Our judges and law enforcement have much strickter policys up here.

.. How so?

~q5

<snip>

Post deleted while I study our legal system in more depth ... (whatever!)

Netsolutions ... Why don't you enlighten me on how are judges and enforcement agencies are more stringent?!?

P.S. Judges and enforcement agencies don't enforce "policies", they enforce laws!

And just what the heck is a lawsuite???

Just wondering!

Originally posted by iamdotca
I don't know what the hell netsolutions is talking about. I'm in Canada as well, and to say that "our judges and law enforcement have much strickter policies" is just blowing smoke up all your [explitive deleted]. In fact, I would argue that our laws and law enforcement nowhere near as stringent as the US.

It's not rocket science ... you've got two options:

1. File a civil suit (MCHost et. al vs. HostCharge) in provincial court (where the company is registered).

OR

2. Authorities investigate the evidence provided to them, file Criminal Code (or other corporate statutes) charges, hand it over to the Crown attorney (U.S. = DA) for prosecution.

That's it ... in a nutshell!

BTW. MCHost-Marc ... do you have a lawyer??? ;)

(I'm sure I've aroused a few people's attention w/ this post -- try no to get off topic)
What country have you been living in? I think you should study our legal system in a bit more depth before commenting.

I did some research on this HostCharge issue here in the UK. I dug up the following information. Some of this is already known (from what I can tell by searching the forums here at WHT).

First off, the simple stuff. The incorporation name of the company is: ACENET CORP LTD

The registered office for the company is: 81 CITY ROAD, LONDON, EC1Y 1BL, UNITED KINGDOM.

Note, this address HAS to be a valid contact point for HostCharge - it's most likely their accountants. If the Registered office address isn't correct, HostCharge would not have been able to receive their incorporation documents and annual returns from Companies House (UK's company registrar) and they would be struck of the company's register, there assets handed to the crown and the directors of the company disqualified from running a UK Limited company. This isn't the case.

The company is registered in England and the company registration number is: 04541758


ACENET CORP LTD has submitted the below documents to Companies House. It seems a little suspicious to me the number of times they have filed to change the company directors and/or secretaries. Anyway, you can get a copy of these documents by contacting Companies House in the UK - these will be publicly available for a small administration fee (around £10).

Notice of change of directors or secretaries or in their particulars - 12/02/2003
Number of Pages: 2

Notice of change of directors or secretaries or in their particulars - 07/02/2003
Number of Pages: 2

Notice of change of directors or secretaries or in their particulars - 07/02/2003
Number of Pages: 2

Notice of change of directors or secretaries or in their particulars - 22/11/2002
Number of Pages: 1

Notice of change of directors or secretaries or in their particulars - 22/11/2002
Number of Pages: 1

New Incorporation documents - 24/09/2002
Number of Pages: 14

You may also want to obtain a credit report about them from Companies House.

You can contact Companies House at: http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk


To be honest, I think Marc has been very soft about this situation. I personally wouldn't put up with this nonsense if someone owed me $30,000.

Marc, Quick question Trevor works for you ? Is that correct.

That is kind of out there Trevor works for you yet is on the board of hostcharge

Kind of wierd if you ask me. How did/does he have time

lol @ the 'board' of hostcharge.

Originally posted by lightnin
lol @ the 'board' of hostcharge.

Is kind of funny however from what I have heard with acenet being a corporation he has to be in the bi laws somewhere or on the board.

No matter how much of a joke it is.
:D :D :D

I would really like to read the minutes from acenets board meetings. Would go something like


1st item of discussion what excuse are we going to use this week. John you better start writing these down I dont want to use the same excuse twice

Originally posted by MCHost-Marc

[b]Trevor, you said i do not care. Let me tell you this. You owe me $30,000 USD for 5 months. In those 5 months, *I* have provided *YOU* with a job and on top, i have even paid your salary every month. For all the money you owe me, you would have to work 15 months for free to pay it all back, not expect a paycheck every month on top of it, which i have always paid to you.
Marc, in what capacity did Trevor work for you? Have you been dragged in to Hostcharge through him? And why on earth you didn't acquire a proper merchant account given the size of your business instead of dabbling with this unknown company? ;)

Originally posted by MarcD
Is kind of funny however from what I have heard with acenet being a corporation he has to be in the bi laws somewhere or on the board.

No matter how much of a joke it is.
:D :D :D

I would really like to read the minutes from acenets board meetings. Would go something like


1st item of discussion what excuse are we going to use this week. John you better start writing these down I dont want to use the same excuse twice

LOL @ Board meetings.

Today's topic of discussion:

ways we can make ourselves appear to be much more important than we really are.

sub discussions:

what can we resell, at a loss, yet claim as our own product? Anyone? :stickout:

It took me under a minute to locate this information about Acenet Corp Ltd on the web for free through a UK company registration agency. Their addresses were also displayed, but I won't publish them in case it would be against the forum rules. :eek:

Company Secretary: SAEED, AHMAR
Appointed: 23/09/2002
Date of Birth: 26/09/1977
Nationality: PAKISTANI

Director: MACGILLIVRAY, TREVOR
Appointed: 23/09/2002
Date of Birth: 11/04/1982
Nationality: CANADIAN

Director: SAEED, ASHAR
Appointed: 23/09/2002
Date of Birth: 21/07/1984
Nationality: PAKISTANI

damm.. are those their real ages?

tokios.com

Originally posted by tokios.com
damm.. are those their real ages?
You'd be amazed at how young some large hosts are. :eek2:

Originally posted by tandem
It took me under a minute to locate this information about Acenet Corp Ltd on the web for free through a UK company registration agency. Their addresses were also displayed, but I won't publish them in case it would be against the forum rules. :eek:

Company Secretary: SAEED, AHMAR
Appointed: 23/09/2002
Date of Birth: 26/09/1977
Nationality: PAKISTANI

Director: MACGILLIVRAY, TREVOR
Appointed: 23/09/2002
Date of Birth: 11/04/1982
Nationality: CANADIAN

Director: SAEED, ASHAR
Appointed: 23/09/2002
Date of Birth: 21/07/1984
Nationality: PAKISTANI

UNBELIEVABLE! I can't believe I gave my most important part of my business operations to couple of high school kids.

"UNBELIEVABLE! I can't believe I gave my most important part of my business operations to couple of high school kids."

better late than never i guess. knowing this answers a lot of questions..

this is still not resolved?

Originally posted by webserve
UNBELIEVABLE! I can't believe I gave my most important part of my business operations to couple of high school kids.

If you watched their conduct around the forums and the company they kept, their age was very obvious. That was one of the reasons I never did business with them. I just couldn't see letting my money be managed by a bunch of kids.

slightly offtopic, but can someone else try to register an account on their forums? I always get the Failed sending e-mail error. I've tried to get my old account password changed so I can atleast read wtf is going on in getting my money, however it gives the same e-mail message. I've emailed trevor twice now with no replies. So I'd be most appreciative if anyone could even try to register an account so that I know I'm not alone when trying to get information!

anyone called the french bank for more details?

Originally posted by rochen
I did some research on this HostCharge issue here in the UK. I dug up the following information. Some of this is already known (from what I can tell by searching the forums here at WHT).

First off, the simple stuff. The incorporation name of the company is: ACENET CORP LTD

The registered office for the company is: 81 CITY ROAD, LONDON, EC1Y 1BL, UNITED KINGDOM.

Note, this address HAS to be a valid contact point for HostCharge - it's most likely their accountants. If the Registered office address isn't correct, HostCharge would not have been able to receive their incorporation documents and annual returns from Companies House (UK's company registrar) and they would be struck of the company's register, there assets handed to the crown and the directors of the company disqualified from running a UK Limited company. This isn't the case.

The company is registered in England and the company registration number is: 04541758


ACENET CORP LTD has submitted the below documents to Companies House. It seems a little suspicious to me the number of times they have filed to change the company directors and/or secretaries. Anyway, you can get a copy of these documents by contacting Companies House in the UK - these will be publicly available for a small administration fee (around £10).

Notice of change of directors or secretaries or in their particulars - 12/02/2003
Number of Pages: 2

Notice of change of directors or secretaries or in their particulars - 07/02/2003
Number of Pages: 2

Notice of change of directors or secretaries or in their particulars - 07/02/2003
Number of Pages: 2

Notice of change of directors or secretaries or in their particulars - 22/11/2002
Number of Pages: 1

Notice of change of directors or secretaries or in their particulars - 22/11/2002
Number of Pages: 1

New Incorporation documents - 24/09/2002
Number of Pages: 14

You may also want to obtain a credit report about them from Companies House.

You can contact Companies House at: http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk


To be honest, I think Marc has been very soft about this situation. I personally wouldn't put up with this nonsense if someone owed me $30,000.

Chris,

From my knowledge, if a UK company trading as LTD declares bankruptcy - you are in trouble. If the companies net assets are only worth a few hundred pounds it proves vary difficult in trying to get any more money out of parties involved, I might be wrong but I don't think I am.

~ Adam

Sorry i may be wrong about US,
but in the UK the whole point of limited companies (Ltd & Plc) is the limited liability aspect, which means the owners CANNOT be sued for personal assets only business assets, the company has its own legal identity and the shareholders cannot be sued.

That is somewhat the case in the US, however, a lawyer can oftentimes break through that protection. You have to be careful what you do when being an INC or LLC (in the U.S). If you don't follow the rules, it can be proven you didn't act like a corporation therefore you can't enjoy the protection of a corporation. Given their ages, I'm sure there is something that can be found.

Also, to the best of my knowledge, there is nothing that says you can't sue board members individually.

In the UK the share holders cant be sued as they are protected but the directors and offices can be.

Adam

If I understand this correctly, wasn't HOSTCHARGE owned in part or full by ACENET Corp. If this was the case, the liability would fall in part onto ACENET Corp.

Guys,

This is what will happen..
you will "try" to sue him and when the court date happens they will show up and then for the next 2 - 10 years you will be in and out of court untill finally when the courts have waisted a few million dollars on all the "pre trials" and "new evidence ;) ;)"
They will finally settle it by saying your guilty and you will be thrown in jail for years and years and years.. watching your sorry little life flash by your eyes because of one mistake.

Trust me. Canadian Courts an't no picnic and as for the RCMP they will laugh in your face talking about sueing an internet site you might expect this "The internet eh ? what is it ? how does it work ??"

Anyway.. have fun.
Cheers,
-=Cyrex=-

GotHosted.com - Has Your WebSite GotHosted Yet ?

It's not the Cdn. court system that's bad ... It's our prison system. On the plus side:

You'll get parole after serving 2 months of your life sentence, or you'll serve your time in a minimum institution barn that is actually supposed to pose as a prison. As well, if you want to finish that degree you've been pursuing, the Cdn. gov't will pay for that too.

so what's up?

Dear HostCharge Merchant,
I am contacting you personally on behalf of ACenet Corp Ltd/ HostCharge.com.

As you now know, either from newsletters, forums, or emails, HostCharge has been battling with its payment processor for several months now in order to get your funds released from their bank, which had frozen their account for reasons that have still not been made clear to us.

Recently, Acces-Securise (a division of Agence Colibri SARL)
has filed for bankruptcy. We have monitored the situation closely,
being in contact with some of their clients in France, as well
as a court appointd Juridic Administrator who has been reviewing
their case to make sure there was no fraud or wrongdoing on their part.

Acces-Securise has now entered the liquidation stage, which means
that their assets will be sold off in order to retrieve money to pay
their clients (HostCharge and their hundreds of other merchants)
and their funds (which ultimately belong to you) will be investigated
and paid out once their accounting has been fully inspected.

We are happy with this development, which means we are one
step closer to retrieving the funds owed to us, and our clients.

We will now be in contact with this Juridic Administrator
on behalf of HostCharge, and our clients, and will work
with him to have our debts settled immediately.

Before submitting full documentation, i am contacting
you to confirm the amount that is currently owed to you,
which is listed in your MCC, to make sure the absolute
correct information is submitted.

Here are things i would ask you to review.
- Total amount owed to you.
- List of unpaid transactions.
(Transactions for which you have still not been paid for)
- When your last payment was recieved.

Please note that i will definitely be reviewing
this data myself, and that it is by no means
mandatory for you to do this, but i feel that it is important
for you to review to assure complete accuracy.


Once the data is collected we will be presenting
this to the official liquidators as official proof
of Agence Colibri SARL's debt to us.

You have until Thursday, March 20th to submit
any information you would like for us to
review before submitting our claim, i strongly
urge all clients to do this.

If you require any help in compiling this data,
or would like to ask any questions please
feel free to contact me, however allow
48-72hrs for a reply (maximum)

Finally, i would like to thank you for all the patience
you have shown during this unfortunate dilemma
that has been imposed on us, and that i am
very confident that a resolution will be reached
rapidly.

Sincerely,
Trevor MacGill
trevor@acenetcorp.com

Wow good news, happy for all customers and hostcharge also!

Originally posted by Taylor
Wow good news, happy for all customers and hostcharge also!

Good news? It's probably going to be another 2-3 months before we see a dime.

Well i guess compared to what i had been thinking the stage you all were in.. it seems like great news. It is a step forward, and i know it still doesn't have you your money sitting at your desk... you are a step closer :P

Originally posted by Taylor
Wow good news, happy for all customers and hostcharge also!
Hardly, you'll probably get 5 cents in the dollar in about 12mths time. :eek2:

Don't get too happy yet ... I would wait until you get the money in your hand . :D :D :D

Well, regardless. Its still one step closer.

One step closer to getting 10% of whats owed.

Liquidation means they are going to sell off all the assets for next to nothing and then realise they cant afford to pay everyone. We will see only a fraction of whats actually owed.

Incidentally Ive only just found this thread. We are owed a 4 figure sum by hostcharge so If Marc would like to get in touch with me feel free.

To be honest we had written off this money as a lost cause back in November - But I may aswell stay in touch :)

Thank you for posting that email. I never received it and I have contacted Trevor to find out why.

Sara

Matts correct , in the uk the only ones who get money out of a liquidation is the receivers with their huge fees.
Creditors are lucky if they get 10% of what is owed to them .

we where also owed a 4 figure sum but we received part of the funds in january, they now owe us under $1000.
we looked at the chargback option but most of the money that is owed to us is from monthly billings, so this would mean contacting a lot of customers and asking them to chargeback a small amount, we feel it would be unfair to expect our clients to do this .
As far as we are concerned the money is written off :(

> As far as we are concerned the money is written off

> To be honest we had written off this money as a lost cause back in November.

Hostcharge will be glad to hear that their clients have started to give up pursuing them.

wow i didnt even get that email from them. think that says it all!

?

Hmm so far I've heard about the US, Canada and now France. Where exactly are these guys?

Could always say they took the money for Al Qaeda purposes and then the feds will go after them.

I contacted the Australian Tax office for a private ruling with regards to the issuance of receipts to clients who signed up /paid through HC.


They informed me that that because we use cash based accounting as opposed to accrual no nvoices/receipts should have been issued by us until we actually received the money from HC.

Therefore unless we received money for a transaction from HC no transaction took place. Our agreement is with Hostcharge and although our clients may have paid and been debited by Access Serise / Agence Colibri we have no agreement with them unless

HC firstly receives the money from AS / AC. - which they have not

and /or HC pays the money to us

I spoke with Trevor through IM and asked for him to let me know exactly what period we had been paid up to by HC (due to currency exchange fluctuations and varied payment methods this was not obvious to us) He has not provided me with an answer

I have therefore contacted all our clients who signed up and or made payments through Hostcharge from October to January explaining the situation and asking them to initiate chargebacks through their Credit Card company or Bank, then once this happens to either send a cheque or deposit the money directly to our account

The response has been one of overhwelming support for our situation and due to our relationship with our clients I would optimistically expect to recover 95% - 100% of the monies owed to us

I suggest all others in the same boat consider the same action

Originally posted by Albator

I have therefore contacted all our clients who signed up and or made payments through Hostcharge from October to January explaining the situation and asking them to initiate chargebacks through their Credit Card company or Bank.

How can you guarantee that the credit card companies or banks will accept the chargebacks if they can't recover the paid amounts from their own end? :eek:

dont u think getting customers to charge back also makes u look a bit inefficient at running a company and unprofessional.

And causes them hassle.

I think unless you have lost the alot of money then the money you will recover/damage to appearance of how your do business isnt worth it.

Hi Guys

Tandem
I already know from the HC forums any chargebacks will be uncontested and apart from that any CC transaction over the Internet can be chargedback within 6 months with no reason given I believe

PHaWKs
Not in the slightest
The HC demise is no reflection on my company's ability to do business or on our competence to conduct it in a professional manner. As can be seen from these threads my companies/businesses have been affected by this. If we are guilty of anything it is waiting too long to do anything about it.

I have written a full explanation to the clients affected and asking for their assistance in the matter. I have been completely honest with them as always as I feel we have nothing to be ashamed of and nothing to hide. The response has been one of overwhelming sympathy and empathy with our situation. With some clients even depositing the money due to our account without waiting to for the chargeback to go through.

AH ok was just my opinion,
As long as they know the score i guess its ok,

Also something that just came into my head,
On my contract i signed with paysystems It says that for every chargeback i have to pay a $25 fee. Not sure if you have a similar contract with hostcharge, IF so and you made your customers chargeback couldnt hostcharge then charge you a fee for every payment or has the contact been voided due to the actions of hostcharge or was there no contract?

Any penalty for a chargeback would originate with the organisation holding the merchant account - in this case AS

As their Merchant facility was terminated by the bank and they are in liquidation no charge can be made against them and in turn passed on to Hostcharge and in turn to their clients

Ok thanks your clearing that up for me,
I guess your good to go then

Doesn't Trevor work for MC Host?

Originally posted by iamdave
Doesn't Trevor work for MC Host?
Not anymore, according to Trevor.

Work your way through this thread. You'll see Trevor asking Marc why he's had no communication from him about being fired. It's not the way adults conduct themselves in business, but then again, these chaps aren't exactly adults.

Originally posted by Aussie Bob
Not anymore, according to Trevor.

Work your way through this thread. You'll see Trevor asking Marc why he's had no communication from him about being fired. It's not the way adults conduct themselves in business, but then again, these chaps aren't exactly adults.

Big statement there, if its directed to me. :rolleyes: This thread is not about Trevor's employment with MCHost, so please keep it on-topic, thanks.

Originally posted by MCHost-Marc
Big statement there, if its directed to me. :rolleyes: This thread is not about Trevor's employment with MCHost, so please keep it on-topic, thanks.
I was replying about the age of the chaps at HC.

Take it any way you want to Marc. :rolleyes:

Here's what I'm referring to -
Company Secretary: SAEED, AHMAR
Appointed: 23/09/2002
Date of Birth: 26/09/1977
Nationality: PAKISTANI

Director: MACGILLIVRAY, TREVOR
Appointed: 23/09/2002
Date of Birth: 11/04/1982
Nationality: CANADIAN

Director: SAEED, ASHAR
Appointed: 23/09/2002
Date of Birth: 21/07/1984
Nationality: PAKISTANI
But yes, I'm comfortable with my above post.

Don't worry, i just wanted a clarification. Thanks :)

Originally posted by MCHost-Marc
Don't worry, i just wanted a clarification. Thanks :)
No worries. :):agree:

For the record, how old are you? I'm 33 going on 21. :cool:

Ive been fairly quiet on the whole mess until now.

I was a HC customer and currently am owed well in excess of $1000US. Marc you can add my info into your lawsuit if you want but i dont see it being of any benefit.

I know thats not much compared to some former HC customers, but convert it into AUD and its a fair wack of my income.

I originally stuck by HC as at that time i had assumed that everything would be eventually sorted out. I had no reson to think otherwise.

Oh how wrong i was.

This whole mess severly damaged my business and put me heavily into debt, of which i am only now just getting out of.

I have been quite ill for the last 12 months and this mess has severly affected my health. (something i didnt need)

I have come to the conclusion that i will never see the money owed to me.

The various options that have been put forward to recover money are all doomed to fail as well i fear.

The idea to chargeback all the unsettled transactions will create a headache for both myself and customers and i am sure it will cause a lot of confusion. Also Visa has informed me that the maximum time for registering chargebacks is 120 days and sadly some of my transactions fall out of this timeframe.

I feel a lawsuit is useless as well as the only people who ill benefit out of it is the vultures (aka lawyers). It would appear that the lowlifes behind HC are broke and have probably hidden assest, or are again operating businesses under assumed names etc. So no money would probably be obtainable from them. I also think getting money out of Colibri is a doomed excersise given their track record with delivering wires etc on given days.

If they couldnt even send a wire to a bank, what hope do we have of getting funds out of them???

Plus those who knew the supposed wire process and the groups, companies, countries, banks etc supposedly involved in the whole process would know that its as dodgy as, and that a paper chase would be next to impossible.

The 3rd option is the one mentioned in an early post about Trevor emailing everyone asking for details from us. (i like probably most others never got this email) and given Asher and Trevor's non existent negotiating skills, and "great" customer service skills, i think this process is doomed before it even begins.

I mean they even asked a HC customer to act as an interpreter for them. That is very unprofessional.

Besides how often have they both broken a promise or 6???

Its a real shame cause if a company operated by people who "had a clue" had been operating Hostcharge it would be an outstanding success.

anyway thats my 20 cents worth, and how i see it all from my tiny corner of the earth.

Oh and on a positive note in an otherwise negative world i must personally thank those who have helped me out along the way during this whole messy affair. :)

I can now finally see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Heres my opinion

1) all of you will not get a cent from hostcharge

2) If any of you have merchant accounts, you know they freeze funds as quick as you can say chargebacks

3) hostcharge has no funds to pay you

4) all of you sue happy people will not get a dime because hostcharge probably has $2 in the bank

5) I'm thinking hostcharge, trevor and asher did not make a dime off this operation , they probably spent most of the profits on development of the product and were hoping for big profits but in 8 months **** went to ****

6) they charged I believe 6% or so?

You have to pay around 4-5% total to the bank,

they made like 1% at most on transactions.

If they processed like 60,000 a month, thats at most $6,000 , + they got server fees, and other expenses.

I can see in their midst maybe $1,000 in profit + no salary.

That $1,000 probably paid for ashers long distance phone bill to france.

7) notes to trev,asher; Don't start businesses based on visa/mc merchant accounts. You can get shut down in a matter of minutes and bankrupt in a matter of days with no funds coming in.
you don't even have to file any lawsuits to that french bank cause you ain't going to see a dime anyway. maybe like $2,000 settlement hahah.

8) note to people with money owed GUARANTEED: You ain't getting your money, time to move on and write it off as bad experience.

yeah thats it.

good luck to asher and trev on their future businesses,

Originally posted by mrbling
3) hostcharge has no funds to pay you


Wrong.. :D

Originally posted by MCHost-Marc
Wrong.. :D
For the sake of all involved, I hope you're right. :)

Sounds like the chase for Skase! :mad:

(for all you non aussies, Christopher Skase was a wonderful entrepeneur who spent up big and went down fast (after having hidden a lot of $$$ away from the authorities

He shot thru to Spain, cause he knew he wouldnt get sent back to Australia to face the charges against him. And he ended up getting away with it!)

Mind you he's dead now.:eek:

Im not sure how the law is over there but if they do still have assets cant they be frozen???

Perhaps it's time to let this thread die.

People who want to get money out of HC: Marc has some kind of class action/joint action thing going on. His lawyers seem to know what to do and, surprisingly, they're paid to know what to do. You can fire warning shots over the bow all you want, but I'm also sure that Marc's lawyers would have advised him not to discuss anything about this issue in public. Contact him.

Everybody else: take it to Judge Judy. Unless anybody here has a degree in International Law or Commercial Law you're out of your league. All this senseless rambling doesn't solve anything and is a huge waste of effort.

Mods: Close this off. This cesspool of a thread has seriously outlived it's usefulness.

Originally posted by stormtrooper
Everybody else: take it to Judge Judy. Unless anybody here has a degree in International Law or Commercial Law you're out of your league. All this senseless rambling doesn't solve anything and is a huge waste of effort.
Now that's one show I would watch!! :D

Originally posted by stormtrooper

Perhaps it's time to let this thread die. People who want to get money out of HC: Marc has some kind of class action/joint action thing going on. His lawyers seem to know what to do and, surprisingly, they're paid to know what to do. You can fire warning shots over the bow all you want, but I'm also sure that Marc's lawyers would have advised him not to discuss anything about this issue in public. Contact him.

Wow, that's quite a post after 9 months in the WHT wilderness! :)

Do you work for MCHost or do you know him? If you do, it seems strange that the request to close the thread isn't coming off from Marc himself but from you... :eek:

Out of interest, what's the legal age of an adult in Canada??

Age of Majority is 18 :)

Originally posted by tandem
Wow, that's quite a post after 9 months in the WHT wilderness! :)

Do you work for MCHost or do you know him? If you do, it seems strange that the request to close the thread isn't coming off from Marc himself but from you... :eek: Weird. Timmah back? :D

Marc, any news? Unfortunately I don't got a reply from you...

Mike

I haven't heard anything from Marc either, even after 2 emails.

I have heard from Trevor, surprisingly enough. He sent me the email in this thread and I sent him our information.

I really don't think that we'll ever see our money, I'm chalking this one up to an situation I will not be in again.

Sara

Originally posted by MCHost-Marc
Big statement there, if its directed to me. :rolleyes: This thread is not about Trevor's employment with MCHost, so please keep it on-topic, thanks.

I would say yea, he was directing at your "Ilk" punky brewster.

Marc or anyone else has any news?

it looks like everything is dead! no new post in their forum and any newsletter or emails!

has everyone forget about their money?? I realy can't forget about by USD $2500

?

Hell I can't even access their forums, my password mysteriously got changed and when I try to have it emailed to me it says sending e-mail failed, I've tried to email trevor 3 times with no reply, hell I just want access so I can see if there were any updates!

Originally posted by tandem
Wow, that's quite a post after 9 months in the WHT wilderness! :)

Do you work for MCHost or do you know him? If you do, it seems strange that the request to close the thread isn't coming off from Marc himself but from you... :eek:

stormtrooper DID work for mchost... not any more.

any news from them? newsletter etc.

I emailed Marc some time ago but didn't get a reply

Originally posted by Albator
I emailed Marc some time ago but didn't get a reply
Conclusions?

Marc may have organized a solution for his owed money privately with trevor.

It shows that his cry for help from the other victims of hostcharge was a fake one.

It looks like he contemplated this thread to ultimately serve his own interests.

:eek:

Originally posted by tandem
Conclusions?

Marc may have organized a solution for his owed money privately with trevor.

It shows that his cry for help from the other victims of hostcharge was a fake one.

It looks like he contemplated this thread to ultimately serve his own interests.

:eek: :eek:

The whole hostcharge site seems to of dissapeared completely. We're owed money by them but have pretty much written that off now. If the site goes back online then surely we can get it taken down? A company cannot trade like that. I am sick of everyone at Hostcharge bullsh****ng via. email.

are you still legally allowed to get back your funds since you have written them off?

Yes you can adjust your accounts if you have written them off then receive them. you are not doiong anything deceptive n fact quite the opposite

So much for updates on the alleged legal processes to recover the money.

Are these happening and if they are how would we be meant to hear about them with no site

I for one wasn't included in the last mailing that went out

Has anyone been able to email Trevor, Ashar or any other people who used to be over at Hostcharge to find the latest?

Thanks

What type of information have you guys passed on to Marc for his so-called attempt for legal action to recover the monies from hostcharge?

Originally posted by lobaloba9
are you still legally allowed to get back your funds since you have written them off?

Sorry, bad choice of words. I meant that we've pretty much come to the conclusion that we're not ever going to see any of the money that Hostcharge owe us and have decided not to let it stress us out. We just hope that the few people who's names have been mentioned many times here never have the opportunity to run a company again.

Originally posted by UH-Simon
Sorry, bad choice of words. I meant that we've pretty much come to the conclusion that we're not ever going to see any of the money that Hostcharge owe us and have decided not to let it stress us out. We just hope that the few people who's names have been mentioned many times here never have the opportunity to run a company again.

so you mean you DID NOT write off those sums??? wow... you must be cash rich....

While I will happily join with anyone taking action to recover funds owed (Marc if you read this I emailed you but have heard nothing from you) I don't realistically expect to ever see the money owed to us.

In the main because there has been absolutely no word from anyone connect with HC for a long time now and no mention of anyone taking action against them.

Being in Australia I feel we are too far away from things to take effective action ourselves.

I requested my clients initiate chargebacks but the banks have not been helpful in this regard either because it is more than 90 days since the payments were made or because I have provided the service to my clients

Originally posted by tandem
Conclusions?

Marc may have organized a solution for his owed money privately with trevor.

It shows that his cry for help from the other victims of hostcharge was a fake one.

It looks like he contemplated this thread to ultimately serve his own interests.

:eek:

Although I have no part in this issue/discussion, I will say that I agree with you if we don't hear from Marc otherwise. I've read through each post regarding this topic and it does seem very strange now that someone hasn't posted as to the status of the situation. If I was in Marc's shoes, I wouldn't post to say that "yeah, I arranged something privately and left you guys behind" so I think its safe to assume that if we don't hear from him, this is the case.

Originally posted by Albator
While I will happily join with anyone taking action to recover funds owed (Marc if you read this I emailed you but have heard nothing from you) I don't realistically expect to ever see the money owed to us.

In the main because there has been absolutely no word from anyone connect with HC for a long time now and no mention of anyone taking action against them.

Being in Australia I feel we are too far away from things to take effective action ourselves.

I requested my clients initiate chargebacks but the banks have not been helpful in this regard either because it is more than 90 days since the payments were made or because I have provided the service to my clients
The odds of you getting your money from Hostcharge, are about the same odds as there being 777 posts in your forum and 77 members. :D
Our users have posted a total of 777 articles
We have 77 registered users
Wait :eek2: you do have that!! ;)

almost worth a screenshot lol

stranger things have happened at sea I suppose :D

Originally posted by tandem
Conclusions?

Marc may have organized a solution for his owed money privately with trevor.

It shows that his cry for help from the other victims of hostcharge was a fake one.

It looks like he contemplated this thread to ultimately serve his own interests.

:eek:

How did you come to this conclusion? I'd be interested to know, since all of your conclusions are wrong. Not everyone posts details of their lawsuits and progress in the Wall Street Journal.

Makes perfect sense to me Marc

Are you still accepting people who wish to join with you ?

Marc, I sent you a mail weeks ago and never heard from you...

Mike

Originally posted by CoolMike
Marc, I sent you a mail weeks ago and never heard from you...

Mike

Me too Marc, I remember at some point you said you will be contacting anyone who contacted you and you will update us the process of this lawsuit!!

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Originally posted by MCHost-Marc
How did you come to this conclusion? I'd be interested to know, since all of your conclusions are wrong. Not everyone posts details of their lawsuits and progress in the Wall Street Journal.
OK... 2 questions.

1. It seems you are not responding to the emails you are receiving from people requesting an update on your moves. If you've got nothing to hide, why wouldn't you respond? :eek:

2. Why did you use your ex-employee who had not posted in WHT for the last 9 months to try to persuade people (who have not heard from you) to stop sending you any further emails? :eek:

Let's not forget, you have collected some confidential data on other people's businesses such as their revenues. This may even have included information from some of your competitors. People have trusted you that you will make use of the data you hold for one purpose only.

Originally posted by tandem
OK... 2 questions.

1. It seems you are not responding to the emails you are receiving from people requesting an update on your moves. If you've got nothing to hide, why wouldn't you respond? :eek:

2. Why did you use your ex-employee who had not posted in WHT for the last 9 months to persuade people (who have not heard from you) to stop sending you emails? :eek:

Let's not forget, you have collected some confidential data on other people's businesses such as their revenues. This may even have included information from some of your competitors. People have trusted you that you will make use of the data you hold for one purpose only. good points.

Originally posted by lobaloba9

good points.
Don't expect a quick reply from mchost-marc.

He will need some time to reflect and think up the best answers. :eek:

Originally posted by lobaloba9
are you still legally allowed to get back your funds since you have written them off?

the short answer is yes. Writting off is just in accounting terms being prudent with it. You are expecting you may not get it back, and adjusting your accounts to reflect that reality. It doesn't affect your legal rights in anyway. If you do get back anything, you can always do a write back.

Will you give us YOUR real address - not the fake one in London?

Originally posted by neil
Will you give us YOUR real address - not the fake one in London?

The money is gone man. No need to worry about it now.

Originally posted by dbbrock1

The money is gone man. No need to worry about it now.
Not according to mchost-marc, the saviour. :D

This is what he said in his thread opener on March 3, 2003:

"If you are being owed money (whether $50 or $5000) by HostCharge, please email me at marc@mchost.com so that we can include your details in our lawsuit which will be prepared tomorrow and you will most probably get your money."

So the lawsuit must be well underway (since March 4, 2003 - according to marc) and you guys will probably all get your money! :eek:

Meantime, some hostcharge and ex-@webhost personnel have been caught out with their nappies on: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=131363

Notice how just after ^kyo (of hostcharge, @webhost and now reyox.com fame) gets banned by the mods right here on this thread: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=118809&perpage=20&pagenumber=2, one of his multiple identities, ArthurDavis (now also banned) takes over and starts posting pretending to be an outsider: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=118809&perpage=20&pagenumber=3 :eek:

Originally posted by tandem
Not according to mchost-marc, the saviour. :D

This is what he said in his thread opener on March 3, 2003:

"If you are being owed money (whether $50 or $5000) by HostCharge, please email me at marc@mchost.com so that we can include your details in our lawsuit which will be prepared tomorrow and you will most probably get your money."

So the lawsuit must be well underway (since March 4, 2003 - according to marc) and you guys will probably all get your money! :eek:

I'll let the other members answer that one :)

unfortunately NOTHING is happening.. we took a chance onn a business and LOST.. But I do hope that one day these SOB's will get what is coming to them. Lying cheating rats.. They deserve no less than to be treated the EXACT same way they treated us.

telling us they were trying to resolve a problem and then up and leaving.. sleeping at night can';t be good and if it is, God help them all..

Those bastards will get what is coming to them. Judgement is mine saeth the Lord!!!

Man!!! do I feel better now... :-)

To all of you who lost your money and have not heard from anyone maybe we could ban together and try to do something.. May be a lsot cause but someone has to take a stand and I am willing to do it.. Anyone else?

Hi all,

I don't know if this helps, but I have had a brief email dialogue with Trevor and he said that we should be receiving the full amount owed to us pretty soon. He claimed that other customers of Assess Securities are having no problems in getting their funds released. Hopefully more than just talk, but somehow almost sounds too good to be true.

Thanks and take care.

is it possibel to post the latest email fro Trevor here? or PM me with it please? thanks

Hmm, is this thread still open?

For all you guys who have even a tiny hope left here's the emails I exchanged with Trevor: (read from bottom up) :D



Hello Zubair,

Speaking to other clients of AS, there seems to be no
problem with the release of funds.

I will provide more information as i recieve it!
Trevor
----- Original Message -----
From: zubair@ionplex.com
To: Trevor
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: AIM


Hi there,

Many thanks for your reply. However have you been assured and if so by who that our full funds owed to us will be released. Sorry about all the bother, I just have to work out my financial situation over the next few days.

Thanks and take care.


----- Original Message -----
From: Trevor
To: zubair@ionplex.com
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 6:21 AM
Subject: Re: AIM


Hello Zubair,

I have submitted all our data to the juridic administrator (in france)
who should be reviewing it at this moment to verify
the accuracy, once that is done there should be a full
release of the funds so that they can be immediately wired out
to all our clients.

Trevor


That's all the info I got.

Many thanks and take care.

Whoa..just finished reading this entire thread. Do you guys think you'll get your money?

50% perhaps?

I hope so, but I doubt it :)

Originally posted by neufusion
I hope so, but I doubt it :)

I'm with you. If the above letter from Trevor isn't a lie, that'd be great, but it seems like (from reading this thread) that there have been statements like that in the past that had no outcome so I wouldn't hold you breath.

OK my first thought is why are other clients of AS not only being paid out but being paid in full while HC has so far not received anything and there is not firm date for when they will??

Why have other companies got their money when HC are saying "we have to submit the right info"


Why has this not been done and us being paid along with other clients of AS ?

I believe they are just goind down the line and allocating funds to whomever is next on the list. It is all being handled by a judge in europe.

makes sense Taylor

they will distribute to the big boys first.

i guess the money owed to hostcharge is relatively small compared to others. hence, be prepared to receive only part of your money as there might not be enough funds left for hostcharge after the big boys got their share.

I don't understand why you would assume other creditors were bigger than HC

I don't believe thre are any grounds fo thinking HC is at the bottom end of the list

hmm... that's why i said i 'guess'. just a guess.

Originally posted by Albator
makes sense Taylor

Beware what he says. He's most definately one of them.

Originally posted by lightnin
Beware what he says. He's most definately one of them.
If you're referring to then

:eek: If by one of them you mean Scottish then yes

If by one of them you mean someone who is owed what I consider to be a lot of money by HC then yes

otherwise............................ no

or were you referring to Taylor ?

How am i one of them? :|

Originally posted by Albator
If you're referring to then

:eek: If by one of them you mean Scottish then yes

If by one of them you mean someone who is owed what I consider to be a lot of money by HC then yes

otherwise............................ no

or were you referring to Taylor ?

I was referring to Taylor. :)

He has actively recommended atwebhost/hostcharge and the new Reyox debacle here on WHT. Every time something comes up with them, this guy is somehow there. A little search here on WHT can confirm that.

He also worked for atwebhost. As far as I'm concerned those recommendations coupled with the involvement with atwebhost render any information from that source tainted.

oh my gosh!!! TAYLOR!!!

I'll have my $1,300 then please.

Originally posted by lightnin

I was referring to Taylor. He has actively recommended atwebhost/hostcharge ...

That's true. But so did Albator. A quick look at the past archives reveals that he was one of the biggest advocates of hostcharge... obviously until he realized the truth about them.

People can change their opinions through circumstances.

That's right Tandem.

I honestly believed they were on to a very good product and was happy to recommend them at the time especially as I like to support smaller businesses against the giants.

Unfortunately my faith was misplaced but I still believe the concept was spot on.

It's just a shame it didn't pan out

they do not distributed to the big boys first . If the company has enough money then everyone gets paid other wise it goes secured creditors first (usually banks , employees , etc) and then works there way down to unsecured creditors who normally get nothing .
It has nothing to do with how much the person is owed , if you are owed $30,000 and a secured bank is owed $5000 the bank will get there $5000 first.

In cases like these all unsecured creditors are treated equally with the amount of money available distributed to them according to what they are owed for example at a rate of 75 cents in the dollar

So all should be paid at once

Is there any proof that hostcharge had not been paid all the due amounts already (last year when the French company had been operating as normal)?

Has anyone got any evidence that hostcharge is actually owed by the French company?

what's the latest news?

Oh gosh :eek: not this thread again. :crap:

lets keep it alive guys; anyone knows what happened to Marc who orginaly opened this post and was owed over $30,000.00?

nope I've emailed him a couple of times with no reply

Originally posted by webserve
lets keep it alive guys; anyone knows what happened to Marc who orginaly opened this post and was owed over $30,000.00? Still waiting for a reply from mchost-marc to my previous 2 posts. :eek:

What do you guys who have provided marc with your hostcharge details think? Has he been honest with you? Or did he just use you to reach his own ends?

Do you think he should come out of his corner and reply to all the questions asked of him in this thread?

Post no. 1 - April 13, 2003 - No reply from mchost-marc:
OK... 2 questions.

1. It seems you are not responding to the emails you are receiving from people requesting an update on your moves. If you've got nothing to hide, why wouldn't you respond?

2. Why did you use your ex-employee who had not posted in WHT for the last 9 months to try to persuade people who have not heard from you to stop sending you any further emails?

Let's not forget, you have collected some confidential data on other people's businesses such as their revenues. This may even have included information from some of your competitors. People have trusted you in the belief that you will make use of the data you hold only for the purpose that you announced in your opening post.
Post no. 2 - April 16, 2003 - No reply from mchost-marc:
This is what you said in your thread opener on March 3, 2003:

"If you are being owed money (whether $50 or $5000) by HostCharge, please email me at marc@mchost.com so that we can include your details in our lawsuit which will be prepared tomorrow and you will most probably get your money."

So the lawsuit must be well underway (since March 4, 2003 - according to you) and everyone will probably get their money!? Is that correct? Or... are you praying that this thread will go away once and forever... so that you won't be held accountable for the promise you've made to people?

Smoke and mirrors, marc was just spinning here to add pressure to hostcharge.

Noone can ever expect true compensation over this.

You're screwed, period. Mods should close the thread until there is resolution, or real new information.

Smoke and mirrors, marc was just spinning here to add pressure to hostcharge.

If that's true - I used the same tactic with my thread and it worked - you never know ;)

Mods should close the thread until there is resolution, or real new information.

Agreed - if anyone has anymore information they think is necessary in this thread - please email it to us (moderators@webhostingtalk.com).