Ive noticed one thing lately alot of companies claim its "There NOC" on there website...

Now I colocate all of my servers, but I also think about 95% of most companies do the same.

Too see if Im right I will start this poll.

If you do own your own NOC, list it please.

You should throw a column up for 'work in progress' on a NOC.

-Brendan

I would if I could.

I mean even when I move to switch and data, or any other neutral place, its still not our NOC and wouldnt claim so on my site

I think you're right. I'm not trying to be a big-shot company, but I have my own NOC, and colocate, AND dedicate.. My noc is composed of a T1, setup in my dad's industrial office, but it still works.. Anyone else got this setup??

We have a 1200 baud modem in the closet of my parents basement den/rec room, with a vornado fan directed on it, I think its just as good as any T3 with a liebart... any opinions???

Im not sure just having a T1 line is a NOC.

I have a T1 DSL line in my office, and thats not a NOC.

I mean im talking about a NOC, cooling, generators, 24x7 monitoring, fire supression, etc

I would like to see who posted that they own there own NOC

Joe

The term "our NOC" can sometimes be really misleading. Many hosting companies probably don't mean they actually own the NOC. It's like saying "my web host" (when you're a client of a hosting company) or "my mother-in-law" (you don't actually own them, but they're yours). If you know what I mean. :D

Mark Vockler
Aletia Hosting

I think there is a large difference between saying.

I am president of my hosting company.

and

I own a NOC.

Maybe Im wrong, but owning your own NOC takes a ton of money, where as you can incorporate and get a server and start hosting from anywhere from a couple grand on up.

I can say I own a hosting company, I cant say I own a NOC.

Maybe Im wrong, thats just my opinion

Joe

Originally posted by hostrocket
You should throw a column up for 'work in progress' on a NOC.

-Brendan
Agree .. :rolleyes:

How about a choice "I want to have my own NOC" ?
:stickout

I voted on this poll and I partly own a NOC.

Based in Dearborn MI, It has a dedicated oc48 backbone provided by Sprint, Global Crossing and AT&T.

There should be another option. We have our own NOC as well, and we also get dedicated servers since the speed here is not that good (over 1000 ms from most US connections).

I think this poll is invalid, because you are misusing the term NOC. A Network Operations Center is only the monitoring portion of a hosting company, that is all a NOC does...monitor, and address problems before they happen when possible, or after they happen, when not.

A data center is what most people think of when they are talking about a NOC. The data center is where your customers colocate their servers, etc. But that is, and should be, a seperate entity from your NOC (undoubtedly, your data center company will have a centrally located NOC somewhere). In addition to the data center's NOC, you should have your own monitoring setup somewhere. This can be something as simple as using QWK.MON (http://www.qwkmon.com) to an e-mail pager (or cell phone :)). Or something more complex, like setting up a couple of colo'd servers in data centers separately from where your customers are located.

So, you can have your own NOC and colocate your servers in someone else's data center. It's important to remember that those two terms are not supposed to be used interchangably.

Who's there?
Data.
Data who?
Data'll serve you right for calling me a NOC.

We own our facility (NOC/Data Center), and we have for 6 1/2 years. Back then, there weren't a whole lot of options.

I doubt if we were starting out now if we could afford to just go out and buy off the shelf all that we've built up over the years. Just the routers are killers-someone on another thread recently priced carrier-grade routers-and the numbers were ugly. They used to be six figures but now they are seven-and that's each...our network architecture includes 6 of them.

what about "own servers" when you rent or co-locate?

uuallan> looks like the terms get mixed up too often.. almost both mean the same thing in casual conversations, but you are right in the technical sense..

Let's just say that in this thread the term NOC can be interpreted as a datacentre.

Originally posted by Dylan
what about "own servers" when you rent or co-locate?

ownership and administration of the servers can be confusing as there are so many options

You can rent/lease a server and have the owner administer it for you, you can rent a server and administer it yourself.

You can also buy a server and co-locate it in a network facility (NOC/Datacenter/re)and either you or the facility's owner can administer it.

Originally posted by uuallan
I think this poll is invalid, because you are misusing the term NOC. A Network Operations Center is only the monitoring portion of a hosting company, that is all a NOC does...monitor, and address problems before they happen when possible, or after they happen, when not.

A data center is what most people think of when they are talking about a NOC. The data center is where your customers colocate their servers, etc. But that is, and should be, a seperate entity from your NOC (undoubtedly, your data center company will have a centrally located NOC somewhere). In addition to the data center's NOC, you should have your own monitoring setup somewhere. This can be something as simple as using QWK.MON (http://www.qwkmon.com) to an e-mail pager (or cell phone :)). Or something more complex, like setting up a couple of colo'd servers in data centers separately from where your customers are located.

So, you can have your own NOC and colocate your servers in someone else's data center. It's important to remember that those two terms are not supposed to be used interchangably.

YES! this is correct .

I wish i have my own data center so ya'all can kick back at the d.c and smoke some weed :D jk


cheers,
elijah john

Troll, troll, troll your boat, gently down the stream.......

Our NOC which is not owned by us, but most definitely ours being that we pay to use it. If you lease a car, is it someone elses? Technically yes... But you are going to refer to it as yours.

Hey Joe, like FLEET BANKS new car??
or
Hey Joe, like my new car??

Just my 2 cents..

Originally posted by JBIZ718
Ive noticed one thing lately alot of companies claim its "There NOC" on there website...


But this is true it is their Noc. Its a play on words. Its the Noc they chose to place their server(s) in so its their Noc, the Noc they use. The companies never say they own it. Like people put "our network" and thats also true, its the network they use so its their network.

Its fine if you ask me.

:)

Please, what are you trying to say Ses.

Please clarify..


I didnt know you lease your NOC or datacenter. Last time I checked when we colo servers, we get a rack or we buy space, but we dont have any ownership of the NOC, we cant trade it in later. We rent space....
We rent the use of there facility, but we dont have the option to buy it .

Your NOC means you own it, built it, created it, or baught one...

Also you can own your network. You can buy the router, switch, hub etc, thats different it is your network. When someone says Our NOC, most people do not own a NOC/Datacenter. They dont own the battery backup, generators, space, land. They rent that.

If the NOC goes bankrupt you can take your equipment out and build another network. Since you dont own the datacenter you cant take the datacenter, making it not your NOC


Joe

Hello
I am a proud owner of a NOC ,
i have multiple t1's
and servers which very few hosting companies even dream of .
yeah not to forget the 200 support staff with it .

i know many of you will not beleive all this .




actually i dont myself :)


its all in the works actually ..someday i will get em' all


But why this argument about having your own NOC ..
its the service what you give matters ..
and if the Client is happy in the end everyone is happy ..
be it a reseller or the one owing a NOC ..



People who dont own a NOC dont be let down by this post because this post is just to let people down .


MuStie

-:Be Nice to Humans :-

Originally posted by Deano


But this is true it is their Noc. Its a play on words. Its the Noc they chose to place their server(s) in so its their Noc, the Noc they use. The companies never say they own it. Like people put "our network" and thats also true, its the network they use so its their network.

Its fine if you ask me.

:)

Out of all the posts, I think this one is the closest to how I feel. 'Our network' is completely fine IMHO (as Deano pointed out).

However, I can see how, 'our NOC' could be a bit misleading to the average consumer. Maybe it is a play on words, and of course we all like to make ourselves seem a bit bigger than we really are.

Anyway... 'our NOC', the one we use, seems to still make enough sense. People may interpret it incorrectly, but saying, "Our servers are located in a datacenter blah blah blah...", would be another way of putting it (that might not confuse people).

Even if you are reseller... 'our network' (the one we use). 'Our NOC' (the one we use). If you read it like this it sounds fine. It is only when you attempt to disect the meaning literally that it sounds false.

Originally posted by MuStie
People who dont own a NOC dont be let down by this post because this post is just to let people down .


MuStie

-:Be Nice to Humans :-

I agree MuStie... it seems pretty pointless.. if you're trying to catch people out who make false claims that's fine, but I think you've attacked it rather clumsily JBIZ718..


..and Charles...

We have a 1200 baud modem in the closet of my parents basement den/rec room, with a vornado fan directed on it, I think its just as good as any T3 with a liebart... any opinions???


..well, I always supected there was more to your deal, but there you go... no wonder you hate VDI.. heh heh heh

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by JBIZ718
Please, what are you trying to say Ses.
Please clarify..Joe

Well, if you really want to hear it, you consistantly start forum topics of useless meaning with the sole purpose of causeing a conflict. This is also known as Trolling. It can not be more blunt than that. No offence, but I am not the only one who sees this. As a matter of fact, allot see this. And don't get mad, I am not trying to attack you, learn from this. THink before you post.

You know what.

I bring up a topic that is very real in the hosting industry.

Companies and people are very misleading with there information.

What you are saying is, the minute someone brings up a topic that doesnt agree with someone else its trolling.

Actually I simply started a poll for this. Its people like you that take that and start it off in another direction. It was a simple debate. It was going fine right until you stepped in with your stupid riddle and sent it off in another direction. I also think your the troll in this matter, topics start are simple, you dont like it, and send it off totally a different route...


Im sorry, I dont think Im going to stop voicing my opinion, and honestly Im not here to please everyone. The people that are happy are the ones that have signed up for my companies services, and since very few if any clients have left I think Im doing a good job in regards to pleasing the right people.

Please dont give me advice on when to voice my opinion and when to listen to you..

Joe :cool:

Joe, I think you should have left out:

Ive noticed one thing lately alot of companies claim its "There NOC" on there website...

-as it doesn't have much to do with the poll, which is interesting, and it seems people picked up on this more than anything else. It is a different issue altogether.

Anyway... everyone relax a bit.

Chicken, thanks,

Joe

I don't think it is all meant to be missleading, but we all know there are a lot out there that do flat out tell lies to look bigger.

However, I would say that more than 50% of the hosts that I have seen say "Our NOC" as in the one they use...

Just like when you rent a house or office space... it is your house, or your office... just because your not on the title doesn't mean your telling a lie... I think you have to look at the whole wording on their pages to see if they are missleading, or what.

But I agree... this topic wasn't even really here... it was a poll. That's all.

I think if we are going to get so bent about it, we just need more sleep. Be nice... your customers and future customers are watching you.

Tim L :cool:

Originally posted by superiorhost
Just like when you rent a house or office space... it is your house, or your office... just because your not on the title doesn't mean your telling a lie... I think you have to look at the whole wording on their pages to see if they are missleading, or what.I think that's a good point, and a good analogy. Saying "our office" isn't taken as meaning that you own it, and depending on the context the same is true if you say "our building" -- meaning the building your office is in.

But I think the context is important. The statement can be worded in such a way as to imply ownership or at least exclusive use of a data center. Or it can be worded in a way that just comes across as "where our servers are." Oh, wait -- are they "our servers," or "the servers our customers' files are stored on?"