Ok, heres the deal.

My mom and I are starting a webhosting company and Im the one who is supposed to make it work.
Anyways, we ordered a few Dell PowerApp.Web servers(Win200)and are setting a an ATM T1 this week.
My question is,

What software do I need as far as server administration, account and site setup, HD space restrictions, and the main thing...the "Control Panel"

I have read millions of lines of articles but cant find information about what I do and dont need as far as the Control Panel software, and the server Administration software.

As I see it, I need two programs:
Program #1 -
To provide an easy-to-use web based interface for the customers to setup up their new site, add email accounts, autoresponders, new subdomains, edit/add new pages and graphics, etc.
Program #2 -
To provide me with an easy to use interface that doesnt have to be web based(but must work with Windows 2000/NT)that will autmatically bill the user and active his/her account and setup the space(MB) that they purchase without me having to do it, so there arent any screwups.

If anyone knows what I am talking about, because I dont.....please email me. Im new to the Web Hosting Industry and its a lot of information at once. Im still not clear on what else I will need. If I missed anything let me know. My email is chronicusprime@aol.com and stone420247@aol.com.
Thanks Chris Stone

You must be rich? and jumping the gun.

If I were you, I wouldn't tell people that I've started a hosting company with my mom! People don't like to have their websites hosted by someone that is not a legal adult for a few reasons. There was this post about this guy that was 15, if anyone knows where it is post the URL here.

The thing that concerns me is that his going to all this expense to buy the equipment and line.

Sounds more like a hobby. Hobbies always die, ie. business doesn't take off, can't afford it anymore, what happens to the clients?

Or maybe he decides it's not for him, too much work or something like that, you know? Once you're in and got a client or two, it's not easy to get out.

Not legally atleast

Originally posted by Stone420

If anyone knows what I am talking about, because I dont.....please email me. Im new to the Web Hosting Industry and its a lot of information at once. Im still not clear on what else I will need. If I missed anything let me know. My email is chronicusprime@aol.com and stone420247@aol.com.
Thanks Chris Stone

Everyone was new at some point in time. However, it really doesn't sound like you're prepared to jump into it at the rate you are (your own lines, servers, etc.). What will you do when you have one of your servers crash? What happens when your router dies? Etc. Unless you plan on hiring people to do this for you, perhaps it would be wise to start out reselling or with a dedicated server somewhere. This way you won't have to worry about setting the machine, connection, etc. up and you'll get used to the business. You can always move to your own equipment if and when you're ready.

I started out with a colo and someone that knew UNIX admining for me. We still had a lot of problems that some experience could have prevented. And we weren't doing things on nearly as grand of a scale as you plan on.

I'm not trying to be discouraging, but rather save you (and your customers) grief.

As for your original question, I personally don't know of any good Windows 2000 control panels.

Josh

Aloha,
well always good to get into biz for yourself I have done it my whole life and would never do anyting else
my history is senior year bought a video game Defender for all you over 30 ;) then it did well got the money roled it into a few more games before long was in the video game biz till the mafia ran me out of it SCARY !!
tehn got into a skateboard shop becuase I was a hardcore skater
had the largest grossing shop in the NW US we were smashing for years got out of skating eventually so got out of biz
then took ten years and travelled ;)
that was fun
what has all this to do with it
I was into all my biz I had and am into computers since college
that is why I am doing what I am doing now
I am not trying to make you not do it
just ask yourself why ??

is it for the money if so ya got the wrong biz
if it is for the love of what ya do
cool ya might make it
but it does sound like you are lost

I am trying to get a win2k sys together also so doing research before ya buy all this and try your own line
colocate where ya have a big gen to back up
proper UPS proper redundancy etc....
so make your biz plan and then find someone in texas to colocate at so you can keep hands on.
and best of luck but takle it slow and research
if I find mroe out of ideas I willkeep posing them pros cons etc...
so have fun
and keep us posted what ya find out
if your heart is in it you will be a success and learn a lot along the way
if ya fail finanacialy do not let it get you down just remember at least you tried and learned from it
like riding a bike ya crash a lot at first

Later

nicely said, very nice!! :D

i encourage you to start web hosting unless you know what you are doing... i can give you a few tips:

1. Don't get a T1, try a cable modem first.
2. If you are not computing student, I think Win2k (IIS 5.0) is your only choice. (If Linux, I'm afraid you would stick it if it has any problems)
3. I don't think you need a good control panel in IIS 5.0, they have an easy way to control enough
4. Don't charge any clients for hosting services, give out some free webspace so that you can try how to administrate a server first!

I doubt you are really mature cause no one would jump into an indestry when they know nothing about the industry... You should investigate/gather some info., test it out and think if it's a really right choice for starting your own business...

GOOD LUCK!

Aloha

as far as cable modem I would think if you have dsl that would be a better choice to play with first as it is a dedicated source so if ya live in a busy area it will not chug down
ya can get a pretty good speeds both ways with a dsl
also ya can sometimes get a static IP with a dsl
I have 2 the second cost me like a couple bucks a month
that way ya can practice with name based hosting etc...
get your self a few domain names and play with them setting up stuff etc... get on your local computer
if you have 2 set up the second on a static IP and get your self a swapable drive or partition out and get a boot mngr
and run win2k and redhat and play with those at home with your domains
get your domains with someone like dotster to manage your domains you can set your name servers up with them for a extra 10 bucks or practice doing it yourself at home since your domains will be for play only for a bit till you know what you get into
then once you think you got it find someone who is ggod at unix andyou trust to hack into your system to see if you made it secure
better them then some kiddyscript freak who would do you know good ;)

these are just some thougths
also before you go out and buy a few servers and choose just win2k ya got to remember most of the world is running unix/linux/bsd/ or some variety of that
win2k is usually a hackers dream and y agot to make sure to ask yourself why ya want win2k ?
I know I want it as I just host my own clietns and those that want DB stuff I am very good at ulradev and can develop basic apps fairly fast with ultradev and asp with access DB that a client can get to easy
or SQL2000 for bigger apps.
I think win2k is tougher to manage there are less qualified people to help if you need help
there are lots of win nt people but very few that understand it as a true WWW server
way more for unix you will also find that unix is way cheaper to get into a lot of stuff is free or 10% of what a win2k solution will cost ya
these are my main reasons otherwise they go with Unix
I got a cobalt to play aorund wth and host my own play domains on I am going to want a dedicated unix box soon though.
but for $99 it is a great education.

now some other thoughts are since you have no clients do you have any design services or just hosting ?? if you only have hosting you are going to compete against people with OC connections and the like so be ready for that.
again your better choice is to colocate

for a panel for a win2k machine try looking at http://www.ensim.com/demos/whindex.shtml
this is one i am looking at for win2k

later

Yes, I am mature enough, and yes I am just jumping into it. If it dont work, oh well, I lost a few grand. but if it does maybe I can make a little cash to spend.
I knew as SOON as I posted that **** someone would come along to criticize me. I dont give a **** if you dont think I should do it, or Im not old enough to be competent enough, and I sure as hell dont give a **** if ne1 thinks I don't know what Im doing.
I know more at the age of 19 about coputers than most ever dreamed about at 30. So dont tell me about being smart, or able enough to do this. I can do ANYTHING.
Im sorry if there are people out there that dont beleive in just doing something you want to do.
And yes, I have already read my ass off thumbing through WWW pages and forums studying the hosting industry.

Thanks Honu for the info on Ensim, seems that is what Im looking for. Praise to the normal people!

The reason I chose Win2000 is because I am an expert only at Windows-based OSs, I dont know squat about Linux/Unix......there, happy?

I lost a few grand.

Have you even talked to a lawyer yet???

If you host a business site and you just quit and leave them high and dry there is a chance you can get sued for that...

And if your an expert at Windows you would know that windows really isn't the best for hosting multi domains. And that a T1 really won't cut it for bandwidth. 1 T1 isn't very redundant. Don't forget power conditioners and ups.

Originally posted by Stone420
The reason I chose Win2000 is because I am an expert only at Windows-based OSs, I dont know squat about Linux/Unix......there, happy?

Aloha if this was toward me
mellow out man I was saying go for it
you need a attitude adjust big time with this kind of attitude you will fail
I will bank on it
the first time a customer asks you something you going to do this

does not matter your age what matters is how you handle yourself

I think we all see now why some of us say things we do about age so grow up and do not post to a public forum asking for help and then when people give it to you you make em bend over and tie there shoes without bending at the knees
not cool
you just lost all respect on this board or at least from me
if you read my first post I said ignore the guy in a basic sense do not worry about him
what do you do ? come back flaming
then type in IRC verbage (childish)
if you are 19 act it !!!
do not act 13

if you are a win2k expert then you would not need all this help

if I try to be cool to people and they slam on me I take it personal so this is why I am responding
I gave you good info in my posts

at 17 yrs old I was very cool to anybody willing to help
at 19 I was helping others make money and speaking at colleges about being succesful on your own biz
how did I do it
I cared about my biz and I cared about people most of all I respected people
when I was your age I was pulling down $$
do you get this message !!!!
I like to see people succeed in biz
I fought hard when I was young by the time I was 24 I had 2 retail stores a Mobile DJ company and 4 arcades
I never once mouthed off to people helping me out especially when I would ask fo there help
to say you have more experience then most of us here in our 30's is funny
why not go get some golden handcuffs at MS then if you are so good.
if you know what golden cuffs are ???

best of luck because you are going to need it

Later

Yo man! Don't get all fired up.

All we want to know is why start so deep?

Why didn't you start off with just 1 dedicated server located at a data center, instead of like, u know, basically building your own NOC?

You could of left your money in your bank account for now and let the investment grow for a while while you test the waters.

But, seeing that you've already ordered the servers, have you got switches and u/p/supplies, a backup plan if the atm line goes down and all those things to ensure your servers are online 24/7?

Noc's I've left something out, what is it???

darn, you beat me to it

Originally posted by Stone420
Yes, I am mature enough, and yes I am just jumping into it. If it dont work, oh well, I lost a few grand. but if it does maybe I can make a little cash to spend.

I'm not sure if a worse attitude would be possible. Most hosting companies (at least the ones on here) actually care about their customers. Obviously it seems like customer service won't be a priority of yours.

oh ye, backup servers and spare parts on hand?

who's going to monitor/man the servers 24/7?

Aloha
after another funny thought
for those of you who are reading this thread
and want to start a biz
do this rule when ya gfigure out your $$

take your fgure that you think you need
then X by

$$$
x 2
---------
= ?$$

then take that money and double it

then you should have just enought to make it until ya need more ;)=

Whoa Whoa man,
Everything I said was to all who singled me out. u know what I mean. You have been VERY helpful with me and in no way would I dis you. your cool man, I just get frustrated with all the peole discouraging me.
Sorry for the language
Yes it was childish and Im sorry but I was in a bad mood at the time. Its because when people reply, they dont understand what I do have covered and I dont. I already have the customer service lined up perfect, I got my eye on a UPS and as far as the connection goes..
the way we plan to do it is, start off with the one T1, then as we get more customers, when we get enough actual profit, we get more T1s. The thing is is my location, I live in McAllen,TX which is almost the southernmost point of Texas. I think the best available here is the ATM T1 at 1.5Mbps. that is why we chose to do it this way. Would that work? multiple T1s?
such as 4,5,6 or more T1s?
Once again sorry. And I dont think im an "expert", thats just the word I chose to use when I was typing. I know more than most would know and I amaze myself sometimes and sometimes I dont, but dont we all?
I dont think I am better, or less than any of u, just im little more ill tempered. About the customer service and the thing about if the business closed...
In the event that the idea didnt work, all who had an account with us or was paying us for services, would be paid the total of the full the sum of their monthly charge($), multiplied by the lenght of their contract(in months), plus a percentage of said total.
Example-
the customer's contract was for 1 year
say they had a monthly bill of $50
say the percantage for restitution was 25%(thats what im thinking it should be- what do u think?)
50x12= $600
600x.25= $150
600+150= $750
so no matter if they just sgned up or if they were just about to finish their contract, they still get the full amount.
Also, I would definatly help each person to transfer their site to another hosting company with the same or better for the same price for no charge of course. All this BERFORE we shut the system down, so their site has no downtime.
If anyone sees any errors in my idea please reply, i wont bite this time. sorry

Im just mad he has such a awesome mom, when i was young, my mom wouldnt have given me the time of day if i asked her to go into business with me,
your lucky to have such supportive parents....

Someone said something about dont tell anyone your starting it with your mom, I would promote the fact, anybody who bears a child and raises them for 18 years and is that supportive can only mean someone who knows how to work hard!

If I didnt already work for a hosting company, you would have my business...

Have you considered colocating with a colo company in Texas? This would give you access to your equipement and greatly reduce your costs. I saw that someone mentioned colo in another post but did not see your reply to it.

Rackspace.com, *****, UUnet, Exodus, there are tons of places you could colo at and not have to worry about T1 backhauls, routers, power, secure enviroment, security, ect.

Aloha,
well cool at least ya have enough to say sorry I was mad.
I'll tell ya age can have its advantages to just got to bite it sometimes and not get mad or twisted.
I would still colocate if ya can avoid teh pain of bringing a line in to wherever you were thinking
mainly a few t1 might be OK but the prob will be who can supply them if it is just sprint or ?? you could be screwed should there network go down
colocating at a noc somewhere gives you redundancy gives you propeer UPS proper generators etc..
proper env air conditioned etc...
if you can go from a colo facility you are way ahead financially and security wise

so that is why the NOC and colo

as far as your own machines sure go for it they will be a small part of it in a way
if you are doing NT ya might get a niche like Maximumasp or something
if you are good
ya got to have good techs cause you cannot stay up 24/7
ya going to offer SQL ??
just a thought I know there are a few people I have seen looking for good SQL2000 hosting as they are allready hooked up on a unix box somewhere and just need a high end DB
other thought is since 2000 is so good at load balancing maybe try to offer some services like that. ya will need some kind of sales guy etc... or a way to get customers
my feeling is with a win2k sys you are not going to compete with any cheap priced hosting so maybe try to carve yourself out a niche of good high end hosting with some really good usefull things installed with it
Persists software etc... offer SQL and for a mail server I am thinking running a unix box but not sreu how I am going to get over the username thing maybe have to install some software that can do that without then username on a unix shortcoming ??? anyone know of this solutuon I am curious
but just a thougt to go that way if ya could find a few local co that might need solutions that you can offer and give that a go
later

one thought I always tell people is if you look at any pro athlete they all have coaches the coaches can not play as well as the athlete but they know how to play better adn see the holes etc...
think of this board as a coach and others that are older and have done this as very seasoned we have made mistakes etc...
trust me on this you will look back in a few years adn think oh ok he was right
again I am glad I went the route with my life and sure you will with yours but again do not go in it with the attitude well if I fail
because you will fail if you have that attitude carve a niche belive in it and say I am the best there is at this.
tha is how you will succeed no by thinking this will be some good extra cash a small biz is a 24 hour a day 365 days a year deal you can never leave it never stop thinking about it never quit wondering etc... so just be ready fo that
the plus side is many
you did it
you control it
and it offers you a chance to make it big if you choose there is no lmit.

get big Hostpro will buy ya out ;)

later
agian at least ya have the nads to say sorry adn I was mad
(sorry for bad typing I have been up way to long)

so lets say it doesnt work and somehow you get 200 customers. You are saying you are going to pay each one an average of $750. If it does not work that means you would have lost lots of money on top of that. So at less you are richer than Bill Gates do not plan on paying each of your customers $750 after you go bankrupt

Aloha
well dont go wiht a yearly contract go with a month to month most like it better that way anyway
kinda a terminate at will or 30 dyas kind of thing

if ya do go bellyup just let people knwo and keep it alive long enough to get em a chance to move to other servers and you will be OK they will not be able to sue
you for that just have a good attorney go over a contract with you tell him what you need etc.. they will do it so you are OK
teh only things you will have to worry about is a merchant account and or chargebacks when ya get going try to keep this down and you will get better rates
Ithink most people will agree they would rather someone be honest and try hard to give good service
but remember do not think you will or you will !!!

Honu, your insight has been invaluable
CBaker - thanks

Honu, everyone is talking about colocation....
I havnt really read a lot about this but I have a little.
Can I use the servers I have already bought? Do I send them in to them and they hook it up or do I have to buy from them?
If so, yes this sounds like the best way to go.
You guys are so smart :)
Honu, are you in Hawaii? from Hawaii?
My old neighbor was from Honolulu.

anyways, as far as the contract thing goes... I thnik the customer should choose their contract. If they want a month to month contract or a number of years, either way.
I dont plan to go nationwide and get rich, our services would be directed mostly at companies in Texas that need a web prescence. I just want to have a small number of customers at first so we could easily help them with any problems they may have. That way we "learn the ropes" until we decide we can handle ourselve for more customers. I dont plan to do a whole lot of advertising at first, just the local paper and phonebook. I am hoping that instead of talking to the customers on the phone or the internet that I could talk face to face to the person to get a full understanding of how they want their site to be, etc.
As for customer service, Im going to run some ads in the paper for customer service reps, but thats when we get more than say 30 customers.

Back to colocation...
So you think it better to colocate?
are there any cons to taking this approach?
Right now, Im looking at the Verado web page, checking it out...i cant find anywhere where they mention me providing my own server.....
Thats the problem, I already have they copmuters here in my house. Can I still use them if I get a colocation service?

Man, lately ive been eating, breathing, and almost sleeping web hosting. But its so interesting learning about all the stuff out there. Knowing what I wouldnt have known..I finally found something that looks like it might work

Thanks for understanding man
Peace veryone till next time!
Chris

If you go with a colocation, you would provide the server(s).

The places you're probably looking at are talking about dedicated servers, which means the place you're hosting with provides the servers.

If you're looking to expand in the future, a colo has its advantages (since you own the machine, you can pull it out of wherever you're hosting it and move it to another data center, or your own connection).

Originally posted by Stone420
Honu, your insight has been invaluable
CBaker - thanks
no problem there are a lot of way smarter cookies here than I but I do no marketing and biz very well and can see the future in a way so that is my hold I am not super strong techie but still very good hardware guy

Honu, everyone is talking about colocation....
I havnt really read a lot about this but I have a little.
Can I use the servers I have already bought? Do I send them in to them and they hook it up or do I have to buy from them?
If so, yes this sounds like the best way to go.
You guys are so smart :)
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yes you can use your own boxes as this the CO part of location so if ya got em there ?? APp servers
I am looking at Dell app servers win2k myself so we shall have to stay in touch see how they are
only advantages to colocating
massive lines compared to t1's
proper generators
proper UPS sets
a controlled enviro
Security building usually

amny things a basement or house can not offer
take pictures of it inside adn stuff like that show where your servers our housed will be more impressive than your house or bedroom or garage (being sarcastic here but ya understand)
so def go colocate
[quote]
Honu, are you in Hawaii? from Hawaii?
My old neighbor was from Honolulu.

no from Seattle area Poulsbo actually
but lived out here for ten years came out here all the time growing up
super strong toward the Hawaiians beliefs etc... so I am a Haole (white) but feel my heart is very much Hawaiian and will support em till the end

anyways, as far as the contract thing goes... I thnik the customer should choose their contract. If they want a month to month contract or a number of years, either way.
I dont plan to go nationwide and get rich, our services would be directed mostly at companies in Texas that need a web prescence. I just want to have a small number of customers at first so we could easily help them with any problems they may have. That way we "learn the ropes" until we decide we can handle ourselve for more customers. I dont plan to do a whole lot of advertising at first, just the local paper and phonebook. I am hoping that instead of talking to the customers on the phone or the internet that I could talk face to face to the person to get a full understanding of how they want their site to be, etc.
As for customer service, Im going to run some ads in the paper for customer service reps, but thats when we get more than say 30 customers.


not a bad idea to let em choose the model of contract they want

Back to colocation...
So you think it better to colocate?
are there any cons to taking this approach?
Right now, Im looking at the Verado web page, checking it out...i cant find anywhere where they mention me providing my own server.....
Thats the problem, I already have they copmuters here in my house. Can I still use them if I get a colocation service?


well talk to the people make searches here make lists of what you think you will need and compare the offerings etc...
ahhh research

Man, lately ive been eating, breathing, and almost sleeping web hosting. But its so interesting learning about all the stuff out there. Knowing what I wouldnt have known..I finally found something that looks like it might work

Thanks for understanding man
Peace veryone till next time!
Chris

yeah addictive stuff it is
toys man all toys
as far as understanding ya
I have been battling people since I was young finally got respect now
I was a head retail trainer for HP for 3 years on the mainland was a good job and learned a lot
teh only time I worked for anybody and I was kinda my own boss so it was cool
adn I had my web biz while I was doing it (I married a Canadian girl so was back on the mainland for a bit that is when I did this I hate the mainlnd though not the people just the crowds of push and push)
anyway
I could tell ya some funny stories as I was a hardcore skater so used to have a purple mohawk and shtuff for about 10 years so when you are like 17 and walk into a place wiht hair like this (this was in 1981) and say I want to get a biz license the city people were like why do you want to open a head shop ??
I said no why were you hoping you did not have to drive so far next time !

then they were like how dare you talk to me like that young man
I siad well I am sure my lawyer will have fun with a city official accusing a young biz person and accusing them of selling drug paraphenalia (spelling)

so I am used to getting crap all my life growing up
uesd to be a skate co called vision not sure if they are still around was like there largest buyer in the NW
and was at a action sport show some suit wearing guy was sitting at the table talking to the perople behind the booth (which were my friends) so I just stto there listening to his order cause I knew he was from my neck of the woods (about a 100 miles away) anyway after a few minutes he turned around adn said listen kid why don't ya get your free stickers and get out of here.
I smiled and laughed at him then the person selling him stuf said to him OH you might want to meet Chad he owns bearhill chances are if we do not have it he will he gets supplier prices and can wholesale out to you. I just smiled shook his hand and well you get teh point
many other fun stuff get used to

OH can I speak to the owner
I just say sure and look at em see what they do
but that might piss people off so be careful and get ready for a lot of older people not beeing sure

but at least times are changin and the youth are getting some respect

so anyway later

yeah I want to get a dell app so would be curious once ya get em running what ya think of em

Honu
About the SQL
I have no idea what is is.
All my experience has to to with graphic design, web page design, little windows tricks, 3d animation, stuff like that.
the programs i know are various AutoCAD programs, 3D Studio Max, MS VB 3,4,5,and 6, Bryce, Photoshop, Illustrator, Paint Shop Pro, FontFX, various landscaping and home planning programs(for my dads biz), interior decoration programs(for my mom), Fruity Loops(Music Development), and some others.
the extent of my knowledge concerning programming is limited to little rink-dink stuff, "proggies", i once made a cool little answering machine, little programs to activate my lights in my room, stuff like that. But I stopped messing with programming around the 8th grade, which is about '95 or '96 and I already forgot most of the programming stuff but I remember every bit of everything else.

I just bought a few books, the titles are:
Using VB C++ 5 SE
Intro to Client/Server Systems
MS SQL Server 2K for Dummies
Cable Conn. for Dummies(or somthing like that)
and TCP/IP For Dummies

Any ideas on some good ones? are these good choices?
Thanks man

Planet Z- Thanks for the input

Honu-

Colocation sounds like the S***
if you will excuse my french
sounds very exciting.
We were ready to spend all that cash on an office, UPS, backup equipment, T1s(they suck anyways, think of the installation costs!), and all that equipment.
And you saved us. haha! :)
You just get better and better. Thanks for still talking to me after I blew up. Just because that day someone ran into my newly purchased '01 truck and I shouldnt have been asking for help at that particular time.

Anyways, Im going to be searching around for a while for a good colocation service, maybe Im sure Ill find one thats better than our old plan.
Your the kinda guy we need on our team.
Thanks
Chris

Oh Yeah, u said ur from Seattle, my uncle's dream is to live there. Have to go there sometime, they say theres a lot of rain there(or dew i dont remember)
Later

Originally posted by Stone420

About the SQL
I have no idea what is is.


SQL is a type of database. You'd need to run a SQL database server (I think windows uses mSQL) if you wanted to offer your customers databases. Access is another type of windows database (more common to some windows people).

Planet Z-
So I need to buy MS SQL Server?
is that the best one?


Honu-

Oh yeah, about the Dells Power App.Web...
I fired one up last night, and its really loud!
I played around with the Admin tools and stuff, thats about it. It looks like it would be really easy to add Hard drives, it has three bays in the front behind the panel to add extra drives, it already has two used up with each 36GB and I think an internal 2GB. 1Ghz upgradable to 2Ghz, 512MB RAM Upgradable to 2GB, and it has RAID 1 I think.
Oh yeah, say I sent my servers to a Colo Co. and everything was set up and running...
How would I upgrade the hardware on each server if I wanted, say I bought the extra RAM and another HD for each, could they install it for me or would I have to do it, or can I at all(would I have to just add more servers?)

When we get set up Ill fill you in on what goes down(the good and bad), that way maybe I could help you out.
Peace:cool:

Originally posted by Stone420
Planet Z- Thanks for the input

Honu-


And you saved us. haha! :)

Thanks
Chris

Oh Yeah, u said ur from Seattle, my uncle's dream is to live there. Have to go there sometime, they say theres a lot of rain there(or dew i dont remember)
Later


hehehe cool
well lets say the board saved ya I just gave ya a second chance ;)
some good people here and some that like to pick at people but more of the friendly type so far
a truck huh
cool 4x4 or street
http://www.happyfish.com/main/fun/taco/polipoli.html

I have a new toyota tacoma 4x4 double cab
sweet ride limited edition has nice seats
going to put a 6" lift on it then get 33's and drop a trd supercharger on it stainless headers and exhaust
so fun out here island trucks are all beefed allover pretty cool
the pics are up about 8000 feet elevation in a area we go cruise around

so do you have dell appservers yet or you looking at em ??
curious I am thinking that might be the one for me still for boxes

Honu,
About the Dells

Yeah, we already ordered 2, one just got here yesterday.Pretty bad machine.

About the truck,
Its a street truck, I had planned to soup it up with rims, a 'charger, and an air bag system for the lift/drop.

So your into cars too huh?
I have loved cars and everything that goes with them since I can remember, it is the one thing I can say I will never turn away from.
My dream car is a '69 Camaro SS dragged out with a 454 or 502. But until then I have my '84 Camaro. Just pulled the motor out of it this month, hoping to get enough cash to buy a new motor from GM for it.
As for my truck, I hope I have it long enough to see the last payment(they're kill'in me!)

I checked out those photos, the nicest scenery Ive ever seen. Wish I could could cruise my truck through that kind of terrain :)

Well, back to the neverending.....Research :)

Aloha
yeah I am more a foreign car guy
my other car is a Porsche so that is the stuff I aminto
next one looking at a boxter or a enw TT roadster I like those they are pretty cool
I used to be into bikes so also thinking of that
yamaha R or a Ducatti
but want to get a good spearfsihgin boat first ;)=
ahhhhtoys

lots of companies now offer around 500mb for 25 $
most people won't need over this unless they run big sites... 50 might be a little steep.

Oh Yeah, u said ur from Seattle, my uncle's dream is to live there. Have to go there sometime, they say theres a lot of rain there(or dew i dont remember)
Later

**off topic**

Seattle is a great town - I miss it a lot. They say it rains nine months of the year there, and from my experience that wouldn't be far from the truth :D It's not really rain all the time though - more of a fine mist that comes out of the sky. Of course that's when it's not just snowing instead. If you like it cold, X-mas is a nice time of year. The countryside is stunning in the Cascades

** back to topic **

As far as databases go,
I'm very happy with MySQL. It's not that hard to set up if you follow the instructions, and it's right up there with oracle as far as performance goes. It doesn't have some of the cool features SQL server does (like transactions, and referential integrity, record lcoking, etc), but I've clocked it at 22% faster than SQL server. It's an amazing product. On top of that... it's free.

There's been a big movement among hosting companies lately to offer php and mySQL on windows. In fact even Macromedia's jumped on the bandwagon, offering php/MySQL in the new Dreamweaver MX. Both are pretty simple to install (but not mutually exclusive, contrary to popular belief) on an IIS server, and over all pretty trouble free. My Dev server runs both with no problems, and as far as I know, the hosting company I work with is fine as well.


Just my two cents.
Good luck to you bro.

Originally posted by Honu
Aloha

as far as cable modem I would think if you have dsl that would be a better choice to play with first as it is a dedicated source so if ya live in a busy area it will not chug down


So when his provider oversells their pipe into the ATM cloud to backhaul traffic from the dslam, he is in just as bad a situation. DSL providers can and are just as oversold as cable providers, except most don't have as much fiber down as a lot of larger cable companies.

Originally posted by (SH)Saeed
If I were you, I wouldn't tell people that I've started a hosting company with my mom! People don't like to have their websites hosted by someone that is not a legal adult for a few reasons. There was this post about this guy that was 15, if anyone knows where it is post the URL here.

something wrong with being young?

Don't start up a company where you cannot administrate or run it
I aggree with some of the other posts here- why not just buy some reseller space somewhere and do that.

You should really put some more thought into this.

This thread was from last year!

woo Hoo!!! Over a Year old. :) I wonder how the kid's doing?

Aaron

Heya Stone!

CONGRATULATIONS! I think you will have a great time with your endeavor. Ignore the negative posts and concentrate on learning what you will need. As to Linux and Unix. Both are extensivley documented on the web, so while you may wish to set up a system using Win 2k at first you may want to consider learning about Linux/UNIX. While the UNIX packages I see are at times expensive you can get Linux free and modify it to suit your needs. Why switch at some point? Several reasons:

UNIX/Linux is much more secure. Win 2K is a good platform, but very susceptible to hackers and security holes. So start with Win 2K and look at Linux/UNIX.

Linux/Unix do not always have to be rebooted when you change something. Win 2K almost always does.

Hardware for Win 2K systems can be very expensive, same with Linux/UNIX, but I find that I can get parts for my Linux box that are recycled or older and much cheaper. I run ME on my personal machine and the older cards and other stuff do not always work. I have a five (?) year old video card in the Linux box that was not even recognized by Win ME.

Also, I have some good primers on Linux here and if you want them email me and I will be more than happy to send them on. Also, DO IT! HAVE FUN! If you end up making lotsa money GREAT! If not cherish the experience and learn.

Manta
http"://www.customcleansf.com/

I own a webhosting business called: fusioncities.com (Run off of a cable modem) I get about 50-100 Users /day I'm going to make money off of the banners that are placed on the people's website. Directleads.com Once I get some money, I will then, try to get a faster connection, because I've almost depleated the cable modem bandwidth. I live in an area where the upload is nice... I get about 50 - 60 KB/s upload, and about 320KB/s download.

I've wanted to do this for a Long time. I've experieced EVERY webserver there is out there. I finally settled with OpenSA's SSL + APACHE. I had to tweek it to run a few of the PHP programs...

Right now I'm looking for a program that'll create users on the MySQL server, so that people can get there own databases, but they can only access that database...

I wish all of you the best of luck, I think I'm getting a lot of luck..


PS: It took me one month to make my domain sound right. Horizoncities.com ....... I have a LONG list. :)

Take care....

Allen

I just read about the UNIX/LINUX post

It is very nice to have a Linux / Unix server. BUT I'm running a windows2k server and it is VERY HARD to take care of. I only run apache on there because I think that it just runs a lot better than IIS 5.0. There are too many viruses for that server...