Hi all,

Is there anyone out there who wants to share there improved cpanel look with me and the rest of the world?

Or is it really all about money in here?

Why can't we all share these kind of things so we can all benefit from this. Isn't that one of the reasons this forum exists?

We do share our knowledge in here so why no other things? Look at the opensource model and see what good things come from that.

And besides that I hate the default cpanel look (childish look and not professional. The same goes for WHM) and I can't imagine anyone liking it besides the creator and some other people who are not graphicly orientated or something like that.

Come on guys and girls, let's share! I know I would...


Domenico

I agree. I think we should all share everything. If I had a CP I would show it to you.

How about this......you share your money and I am sure designers would be happy to share their design skills to design 100+ pages for a CPanel theme.

If you want to see our design:
http://demo.worldzone.net:2082
User: demo
Pass: demo

I'll admit the original CPanel design is very slow and seriously lacking. That is why we did this all text version. Some of the tags need to be worked on, but we will get that fixed eventually.

The cpanel skin in did took about 1 weeks solid work from beginning to end, i'm sure it wont take this long next time but this was my first time.

The cpanel functions being case sensitive delayed things a bit too, as I had to make such changes across all the pages, my fault for not testing at the beginning.

Anyway, my point being that eventhough I am all for open source development and benefit greatly from it, cpanel is not in fact open source and is actually quite expensive, my need to code a new skin for it was only due to its inferiority in default spec and was a very a necessary investment (time wise) for my company to get the most out of a product which we pay so much for.

So in my case at the moment, there is no real incentive for me to offer it for free so that other peoples business can profit from it.

So nobody is willing to share ???

it's like taking all that available or made by somone else (think about Linux and apache!) but if someone makes some thing for himself it's only for himself untill you show some cash...

I think this is very sad :-(


Fruitsalad: Why did you make such design for such an expensive program? Couldn't you make it more transparant? Now you are allmost forced to change it and with nobody here willing to share there designs all those hours lost worldwide to change it again.
If I were you I wouldn't be very proud and I'm sure you have to tell the story you told me every time you tell someone you did the cpanel3 design.

Again, if I were you I would make a much cooler corporate design for free and be proud of what you made. I'm sure you are not right now...

Domenico

only if thats how this world works...

- so can I just "share" 100gb of bandwidth?
- can I just "share" your ferrari for this coming year?

but seriously, I think you can "share" your week with the 100s of pages required to reskin CPanel...

Again, if I were you I would make a much cooler corporate design for free and be proud of what you made. I'm sure you are not right now...

oh and i don't think he needs to to give away his hard work for free to be proud of what he made.

Hmmm, you are not making any sense here alpha. We are not talking about sharing ferrari's but about graphics that are made by an artist. It's like someone having the mona lisa or any other painting in a private collection somewhere in a basement. Do you think leonardo would like that?

If you are an artist I do think you got to be proud of your work or do you think that depends if you sell it for much money? If you do you are not an artist but a business man.

Look at the demand for another look. Nobody likes it's design so why not listen to them?
A company that doesn't listen to it's customers is not a good company in my book.

Picture this; Everybody wants a red ferrari but ferrari only wants to deliver them purple. They say just buy this million dollar car and get the car painted red at the local paintshop. Yeah right.

cpanel is an expensive product but the company who made/sells it are not taking the customers very seriously. Everybody wants a better no WAY better look but all they get is to take it as it is and design or in this case HIRE a designer to make it better. If it was a 20 dollar product I say yes but this things costs lots of dollars per month so what are we talking about here.

Do I hear somebody say Microsoft? This is just the same!
To the company I say make the cpanel look professional and to the guys who made it better I say share your work like MANY people worldwide do with lots of other things. It's just too bad that it sits there on one server while it can be on 1000's of servers worldwide.

But then again I guess I'm the only one thinking about this in such way :-(

:rolleyes:

Hmm... I'm not making any sense?

There's a difference in between a Designer ... and an ARTIST

You're referring to Leonardo... yet he's an artist not a designer... and also he doesn't work for the electronic age. Although even artists like him needed patrons...

lets take Michelangelo for instances... he had a patron for his work like Lorenzo de Medici and Pope Julius II... you think Michelangelo did his work for free? if so, wouldn't he have starved?

and now lets get to reality here... today in this electronic world... you can't just complain about something that until you TRY it and you fail...

No offense, but I think you should stop wasting your time making excuses and complaining about the default CPanel skin and work on your own skin.

Oh and by the way... why would people share their designs if people like you criticize their work? for example, you are seriously criticizing Carlos's work for the default CPanel skin... where does his pride go then?

Just start working on your own skin... you can't get 100% what you want if you take someone else's work...

Domenico, it is so sad that you expect people to share their work. You are trying to make up arguments to justify your BEGGING. You are no different than a street bum on the corner asking for money. All those people with so much money in their pocket and I'm just wanting a little to eat.. they need to share their wealth and be proud of themselves.

This forum is to HELP each other.. not to EXPECT handouts. We all pay for whatever to earn a living. And if there was a way to do it ethically, we would be trying to get each others customers. We don't do this for fun. It's ALL.. I repeat ALL about making a dollar. This is how we support ourselves. And by someone creating something to make themselves stand out from the next guy, that's the idea. But according to you, they need to 'share'... they need to put their name on it so others can see what a 'great guy' he is. Well, how 'bout if I come up with the most kick ass skin for cpanel that you've ever seen, but the border on top will the link to my hosting service with a message "Go with the host that actually created what you're looking at... we're more professional because we can create pretty graphics, and if you switch to us, we'll beat your current hosting rate by 50%.. so switch now".

Would that work for ya?

Robin

hahaha, I would change that inmediatly ;-)

I'm not beggin here but only asking people to share but don'worry I will shut up and go on making money because that't what it's all about nowadays.

The comments I get are all just black or white and we could go on for years that way.

Al I say is that you can expect something decent from such a product as cpanel.
Sure, I guess the 'designer' likes his design and some other people do too but most of us don't so as a company you have to listen to that and change it. Very simple but all they do is well, nothing and telling you to do it yourself. And the stupid thing is that most of you accept it and I thing that is very strange...

About michaelangelo; go read your history books and you will know what I got for his work. Did I told you I'm an Italian myself?

So, let me rephrase my first question since nobody wants to share.

Who wants to sell his 'designer' work then and can show me some work he/she did on cpanel3.

I wonder what some of you would say if apache and Linux started to cost a lot of money and a monthly fee of hundreds of dollars had too be paid.
Just wishfull thinking I guess ;-) Would you accept the phrase 'we have mouth's to feed' from the programmers? You know how many mouths that are?

I'm in for the fun and not only for the money. I will never ever work just for money because yes, I would rather be a bum on the streets than a slave of my own money...

Domenico

In some ways I agree with Domenico - it would be nice to have a CPanel Resouces site where people can download new skins/gfx.

On the other hand, if people don't want to share their designs, then it is their choice.

It's like the old Open Source approach - people write programs then release them on the net so others can alter the code, use the designs etc.

--James

I want to make something clear and that I also think that people can do what they want. To share or to sell is their only choice.

I don't want to offend anyone and this is just how I think and feel about it. Nothing more nothing less.

Thanks Wildwayz! it's good to know I'm not the only one thinking about that ;-)

greetings,
Domenico

If thats the case Domenico why dont you ask why Cpanel/WHM is not offered for free?

Anywayss.. in light of whats going on here

I would be more than willing to help you out if you have any questions about making your own skin so that you dont fall into the same traps that I did and waste time on correcting the errors.

The only thing that gets me is... you want other people to share their designs... this just tells me that you are just too lazy to work on your own... why don't you be the first one to share your Cpanel skin? (but of course, thats AFTER you've took the time to work on one...) then you'll be known for your goodwill... quit being "a slave to your own laziness"

another thing that I want to discuss... Carlos DID work on the Cpanel skin and you can USE it... and you still criticize his work... so many people criticize the default CPanel skin - "its sooo slow" - "it's so childish" - so why not stop complaining and make your own skin?

I would rather prefer if someone said... "The default skin is good but I've been using it for too long and want the look to change" - criticizing one's work will not get others to "share" their work

oh and buddy... you misspelled Michelangelo :) and what does your Italian nationality have anything to do with my comment about the difference of artists (of the past) and designers (of the new millenium)? I was just commenting that Michelangelos didn't just work on the sistine chapel just for the heck of it, yet he worked on it because he was PAID by patronage. He was recognized as an artist and he wanted to make a living out of it.

Ask any designer online to share their work... and you'll get a big fat no. Your idea of having to share everything for free... that would be an economic utopia... if that system worked, then we wouldn't have an economy, nobody would DO ANYTHING because they will assume that someone else would have done it and just "asked" for it without actually working to EARN it...

The creators of CPanel doesn't provide skin resources... and you've felt fine with this when you chose to buy CPanel... before complaining about what you didn't get after you bought something, you should look into the product carefully and SEE what you WILL get... when you decided to use/buy CPanel, it didn't say that they will provide skin resources, so that don't have to... if you wanted this, you should've bought another product. It's like buying MS-DOS and then asking Microsoft where the desktop is... unless the software company has promised a feature, don't expect to see it. Maybe you can email whoever is now in charge of CPanel and ask them about it.

I'm seriously not opposing your idea of sharing... it would be an idea and yes, I wish your thoughts about how our world works can come true, but this will be tough to do.

Please, do humanity a good favor and just work on your own... invest your own time in it... then share it with everyone. This will prove that you, yourself is not a slave to money... oh and don't forget to have some fun while you are at it :)

whu oh........I was the one who said it was slow, not him, and we did create our own skin.....

The graphics arent the only thing that slows it down, the whole thing is slow in the background. It's just a matter that putting any graphics makes it seriously noticible, and that shouldnt be the case. The scripts are buggy and they have their share of problems that really need to get fixed. However, even with that, it compares relatively well with whatever else is currently available. As a matter of fact, a couple of the others are even much slower.

I'm sure eventually someone will start a CPanel skin site. It's only a matter of time before that happens. I would almost be willing to bet that someone has already started one and hasnt mentioned it yet. Maybe it would only take a little sponsorship from VDI and some of it's hosts to have someone do such a thing.

Oh man

With attitudes like this, why don't all those open source developers pack up and leave?

I don't think Domenico was trying to say "FFS gimmie your CPanel designs you pe0n's!" - he is more after designs that people are willing to share.

Look at all the open source stuff out there (I know I have mentioned it a few times already) - that stuff is free and takes a lot longer to write.

I am writing a DVD Review script in PHP/MySQL and once it is done, I am releasing it to anyone who wants it. Why? Because I feel like I am giving something back to all the open source supporters out there.

This thread has escalated out of all proportions over something that is so trivial.

I have made a post on skinbase.org about CPanel skinners, and if there is a demand for it then we will look into setting up a CPanel skinners site where people CAN share designs.

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:D

--James

hey, who said open source isn't great?

since its open source... why not just go in and edit extra features you want instead of asking others for it?

its not like you have to know a programming language, its just taking your time to replace lines of text...

I know what you are saying and I can understand it. As I said (and I am not picking any fights) but what I think people were trying to get at, is to see if anyone is willing to share their designs.

Now, because designs are personal people might not want to share. Having said that, there might be others who would like to share theirs.

Without asking the question, people are none the wiser.

--James

/me gives up posting on this subject to avoid flames :D

Originally posted by WildWayz
/me gives up posting on this subject to avoid flames :D

/me follows WildWayz ;)