Find out why it's called like that. (http://www2.gamisou.com:2748/video/jake1.avi)

Some more (http://www2.gamisou.com:2748/video/melik1.avi)



woohoo (http://www2.gamisou.com:2748/video/chris.avi)

cool (http://www2.gamisou.com:2748/video/jake2.avi)

Gee, I could never get my 91 nissan to do that :(

http://unm.l33tnet.com/~zac/pics/zacsmoke.JPG
^^^ me burning out @ sonic burnout haha ownj huh

I never did understand why people do that. Great waste of $500 + for tires every month or so if you ask me. I could take a nice little trip back to Europe for what they blow just to have a couple of people clap while the rest of the people roll their eyes. :rolleyes:

I just noticed in that Whoohoo one that if you watch closely there's a guy that almost gets hit and takes off running.

Now that IS cool. :D

Everyone's a hot rod on wet pavement :D

My plan for this spring is to have R&R Speedshop put a built 302 into my 97 Geo Tracker imagine 300+ HP with the curb weight of a Tracker

Originally posted by Coach
I never did understand why people do that. Great waste of $500 + for tires every month or so if you ask me. I could take a nice little trip back to Europe for what they blow just to have a couple of people clap while the rest of the people roll their eyes. :rolleyes:

I needed tires anyhow so was'nt a waste at all its awesome :)

and also I rode in a buddy's car in the same camaro/firebird club i'm in his trans am its like a 2000 and has a 28,000 dollar motor in with 300 shot of naws that runs 9's has roll cage and all, it looks stock from the outside though :D very fun car heh.

Originally posted by zdwebhosting
has a 28,000 dollar motor in with 300 shot of naws that runs 9's
:eek:

Seems like someone wasted a lot of money or you got your numbers wrong. Perhaps you meant the entire buildup cost 28K?

But... if your into burnouts, here's a truck that will put many of those little ricers to shame. Can we say built Big Block?

Video (http://www.customtruckshowcase.org/videos1/DanvilleAction.wmv). WMV format - 1.17MB

kids kids its all a waste of time. proper speed is about retaining traction. get yourself a nice cerbera speed 12, see what the worlds fastest production road car can do:) 800 bhp out the showroom. no mods needed. scallies and ricers need not apply.

Ha... those cars are nothing... I wonder how much smoke this reproduction of the Ford Cobra puts out:

Another pic of the Cobra's jet engine:

Originally posted by richy
proper speed is about retaining traction.

Winner!

Everyone likes to think they are fast and crap. Burning out, tires screeching, tire marks, etc, etc, are all signs of losing traction. If you lose traction you lose two things, the first being speed, the second being conrtol. Neither are desireable.

I honestly don't see why some people think its cool to burn out, peel out, etc.

i guess theres a slight exception in rallying where drift and oversteer are techniques for improving cornering on certain terrain, but if you want an example of perfect driving look at damon hill in 96 or schumacher post 96. on the edge perfectly, smooth economical driving. yeah its a display if you just won a race, the old alesi \ mansell burnouts, but f1 is a spectator show. notice how traction control makes cars faster and better, how a landrover freelander with visc diff can cover slippy terrain more safely and a defender 110 with a bigger engine.
thats why i like cars like the speed 12, no electronics, but try and show off in it and your dead. its a car to be put on the edge but kept on it, its nailed to the ground aero wise and it has more power then anything else has as standard with the possible exception of the new veyon (speed 12 boasts 800bhp and 770 ft lbs torque)
one the edge not over it:)

Originally posted by Acronym BOY
I honestly don't see why some people think its cool to burn out, peel out, etc.
In the examples shown, it is more exhibition than anything. Cool? To some yes. To others no. Different strokes for different folks. But I will say that I do not condone doing smokey burnout's and power braking in a crowd of people. Take it to the track.

Originally posted by Acronym BOY
are all signs of losing traction.
Now, if you drove a Top Fuel or Funny Car, you couldn't even compete if you did not do a burnout. So yes, in that respect, a burnout is a necessity and is performed in order to gain traction.

eh? you can do a burn out to lay down rubber but its been shown in just about any formula of racing that loosing traction = loosing speed.

I never understood it either, just stanks

Please read...

Originally posted by Curtis H.
a burnout is a necessity and is performed in order to gain traction.
During the actual 1/4 mile run, yes, hazing or burning the tires results in the loss of speed.

I was refering to that fact that there are cases where a burnout is needed. In order for a Top Fuel or Funny Car to achieve the 300+ MPH 1/4 mile speeds, they need to do a burnout to heat up the slicks to gain traction for the actual race. ;)

thats what tyre warmers are for :)

That's funny Richy. I got a chuckle. But I don't think they would work in that application.

Originally posted by Curtis H.
:eek:

Seems like someone wasted a lot of money or you got your numbers wrong. Perhaps you meant the entire buildup cost 28K?

no I did'nt mistype the engine was 28K he got it for 14K off another guy who had just had it built since the guy got a new drag car and did'nt want to use that motor.

So this guy bought a motor for $14,000 and put another $14,000 in it? What motor does it have?

Originally posted by Curtis H.
So this guy bought a motor for $14,000 and put another $14,000 in it? What motor does it have?

no he just bought the motor or 14k but its value is of 28K

and what all he did to it i'm not sure he does'nt brag on it he's a really nice guy, he has a roll cage, new rear end, 300shot nos , he spent 3,000 on the drag shocks on it to help him get better traction the list contiues for miles haha

and what kind of engine? im not sure he never gives away all his secrets we all try to find out though heh but it IS a small block not a big block.

Okay, that clarifies things a bit. Thanks.

i saw a vet with a 28k engine in it, was on top gear which is a uk program, for those in the uk that want to see it, its on the clarkon video about tweaking cars. such engines do exist and people do buy em, the problem was the engine was in a car which couldnt handle the power. hed just spent the money on the engine and drive train. the rest was stock. if your gonna blow that kind of wonga on an engine give it the body to match. that kind of power needs 4x4 and a datacentre worth of electronics (think skyline\evo) or an awecome aero package (think a tuscan r) and a hell of a driver or its just wasted.

you have to wonder why tyre warmers havent been used? ok theyd need some real serious uprating, but it would have to save money on lost rubber? i thought a major part besides warming the tyres was laying rubber for traction. then again drag racing isnt something i tend to like.

Originally posted by richy
i thought a major part besides warming the tyres was laying rubber for traction. then again drag racing isnt something i tend to like.
No, your correct. That's another important aspect to the burnout rituals. That's why you see the teams guide the cars back behind the starting line and help them stage. With 6,000 or so horse power, this is very critical.

now here's a burnout... http://www.anythingcars.com/movies/11-9-02/burnoutking.wmv

That's nutz! :eek:

and another: http://www.jacobsadventures.com/macgp/video/john t.mpeg

Originally posted by OKIHost
now here's a burnout... http://www.anythingcars.com/movies/11-9-02/burnoutking.wmv

hey OKIHost my camaro is a 6 speed manual I belive that car was an auto 4 speed but mines a Z28 just like that and I can shift very fast heh lots of practice while i'm powerbreaking it like in that video I can shift to 2nd gear ;) I got a pair of brand new tires that came from font when I got my new Z rated tires so i'm going to put them on and make a video like that and doing donuts etc... gonna be a blast ! but yea I can make a video just like that white camaro no difference ;)

Originally posted by zdwebhosting
but yea I can make a video just like that white camaro no difference ;)
Bet you can't. :D

Originally posted by Coach
I never did understand why people do that. Great waste of $500 + for tires every month or so if you ask me. I could take a nice little trip back to Europe for what they blow just to have a couple of people clap while the rest of the people roll their eyes. :rolleyes:

Well, buy some very cheap tires JUST for burning them out=] and then replace it with your regular tires..hehe

my 2 c

Originally posted by Curtis H.
Bet you can't. :D

you say this why? my car runs a 14.4 stock and now it'll run low - mid 13's with 143,000 miles so its definately better than it was new ;)

You said you could make a video like the other one. I wanna see it. I WAS JOKING!

As for your car, better watch out for those Ford Lightnings or get to work.

Originally posted by Curtis H.
You said you could make a video like the other one. I wanna see it. I WAS JOKING!

As for your car, better watch out for those Ford Lightnings or get to work.

what ford lightnings? just about a month ago one pulled up where our car club (cofba) sets on 39th street in okc and he wanted to run for fun and i walked off on it a brand new one yes with a super charger ;) lightnings are fast for trucks but still dont usually beat decent fbody's

I dunno about that. You also need to worry about Buick GNX's. And there a V-6.

Originally posted by Curtis H.
I dunno about that. You also need to worry about Buick GNX's. And there a V-6.

stock grand nationals usually pull some 14's but if they are tuned and all yea have seen them pulling 11-12's

and why would I lie on a msg board? its stupid I have friends that were there to see it lieing at all is stupid but on a msg board is even dumber.

I've seen Grand Nationals run 10's and it didn't even look like they were trying. Sound like a mini jet spooling up. Rear spatted down. Cool cars!

I did not accuse you of lying. Just not sure of the circumstances.

Hopefully when funds allow me I will be able to get another stang.. I would like an 87-93 LX if possible throw a 351 windsor in it and im off./... but on the other hand I would rather get a z28 like yours as when I did have a stock 89 gt I had my ass handed to me many of times by you guys but for some reason I just like the stang looks better, but then again you don't buy a car like that for looks :)

Here you go OKIHost. Not a 351 though. ;)

• Year 1987
• Make Ford
• Model Mustang LX
• Description 466 B.B.F., C-4, 9" rear, "A" Arms, coilovers F.R. and R., anti-roll bar, bogart wheels, custom paint, phantom gauges, all best parts, not street legal, cert. Chassis, runs high 9's, featured in MM&FF Aug 02 issue.

• Price $15,500 US or BO.

hehe I need something I can just take out on the weekends up to epping(NH) or something.. atleast be street drivable.. i want something I can just tinker with myself on the weekends.. never understood people who buy cars already fully modded out as you don't get any of the pleasure of doing it yourself..

OKIHost my car looks half way decent realy turns heads I'm pretty sure its only camaro painted like it in Oklahoma but its "chameleon" I know there is a vetter here like it I met him that same night I ran he lightning
so you can have a camaro and still look decent and run half way decent it wont beat everything but its not bad for just a daily driver street car that can get over 20mpg on the highway ;)

http://www.zac-holley.net/zac/newpaint1.jpg
http://www.zac-holley.net/zac/12-22-2.jpg

Originally posted by zdwebhosting

and also I rode in a buddy's car in the same camaro/firebird club i'm in his trans am its like a 2000 and has a 28,000 dollar motor in with 300 shot of naws that runs 9's has roll cage and all, it looks stock from the outside though :D very fun car heh.


He spent how much? I hit 7's in my Chevy Impala, stock condition except for the 9C1 police package that came with it.

:D

what we talkin here? 0-150mph? fastest ive been in a car that did that was 12 seconds, 7 seconds must be a hell of a car.

Originally posted by MilkMan
He spent how much? I hit 7's in my Chevy Impala, stock condition except for the 9C1 police package that came with it.

:D Well, I doubt you'd hit 7 seconds when running a quarter mile ;)

yea milkman cut the bs ;) thats so far from the truth its not funny heh maybe a 15 police package maybe mid - high 14's in it and probably slower than that since its an older one ;)
7's rofl

7's on a stock impala :laugh: you must have forgotten to mention the F-16 rocket you installed into it.. I drove cabs for quite a while and all our cabs were chevy caprices with the police package and while they do have some balls I admit I can tell you they run far from 7's and stangs/z28's can run circles around them all day long.. my guess would be high 14's though I dont know the exact number.. but the caprice/impalas def give a good ride, some power under the hood and a comfy cabin compared to the sports cars which usually run like crap and are compact inside. just s different class.

0 to 60 in 7 seconds, from dead stop at a tollbooth on the George Bush Tollway timed with a digital stopwatch.

Not very scientific but if you are willing to find a track/strip around here and will pay my entrance fees, I'd be more than willing to show up.

Oh yeah, could you pay for my gas too? 1.68 a gallon is F'ing expensive!!!!

The fastest street car that was around my area years ago ran 10's in the 1/4. Basic big block '69 Chevelle with a single 4 barrel and a 4-speed. His friend had a '68 that ran 11's and was quite the sleeper. Bench seat and all.

No NOS needed!

lol 0 - 60 in 7 seconds? peugeot make a diesel (yes its a flippin tractor engine) that can do it in 6. real cars are sub 4, supercars border on 3.
0-60 is sooooo 1980's. its 0-150 these days.get under 12 seconds to 150 and you have a hell of a car.

Originally posted by richy
its 0-150 these days.get under 12 seconds to 150 and you have a hell of a car.

Don't think I wanna try 150 on the tollway, esp with recent crackdowns on speeders and those rolling road block traffic enforcements.

Let me find the former owner and see what times they ran if any.

Find me a track and I'll see what it'll do, oh yeah can I have some new tires and some cash too??

Originally posted by MilkMan
0 to 60 in 7 seconds, from dead stop at a tollbooth on the George Bush Tollway timed with a digital stopwatch.

Not very scientific but if you are willing to find a track/strip around here and will pay my entrance fees, I'd be more than willing to show up.

Oh yeah, could you pay for my gas too? 1.68 a gallon is F'ing expensive!!!!

lol definately not 7's my car runs 13-14's and I hit 0-60 in high 5 second range so your very far off there bud ;)

Originally posted by zdwebhosting
lol definately not 7's my car runs 13-14's and I hit 0-60 in high 5 second range so your very far off there bud ;)

Like I said before find me a track, buy me some new tires and send some cash my way and I'll be there!

Originally posted by richy
..........get yourself a nice cerbera speed 12, see what the worlds fastest production road car can do:) 800 bhp out the showroom. no mods needed. scallies and ricers need not apply.

Have to agree.

EVO magazine recently interviewed TVR chairman Peter Wheeler, they asked him exactly how much power the cerbera speed 12 actually had.........he said he didn’t know!.

As it turns out TVR have never actually measured the maximum horse power of the speed 12 engine. Every time they tried to measure the max power of the speed 12 1000+ bhp engine the input shaft to the dynometer kept breaking! to quote EVO magazine:

"The V12 was wound round to 5000rpm then 5500rpm, then 5700rpm then BANG!! The input shaft to the dino- the dino rated at 1000bhp snapped, unable to handle the torque the engine was kicking out, it was quite a big bang at around 660lbs of torque, and it meant that the true figure for the maximum power from the V12 will never be known."

The only way TVR could get an idea of the power was to take advantage of the fact that the engine was a pair of speed 6's joined together, with two separate ECUs controlling sparks and fuel. This meant they could be set up independently on the dyno. Peter wheeler pointed out that if you add together the two maximum power readings you get a horse power rating of 940!!

That’s jus at 7200rpm those were figures for the untuned engine with 940 bhp and weighing jus over 1000kgs I reckon this car would eat the F1 for breakfast (forgive me Mclaren!), and I think it would also decimate any existing super car be it the enzo, murceliago, saleen, edonis and yes even the mighty veyron!!


-Shazad

REF : http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/

whats the difference between a bhp and a regular horsepower?

and how come in america I've never heard of this speed 12 ? I just searched and found it but never heard of it here before.

/edit cabal did you just copy/paste the 3rd post down from http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame.mv?file=car.mv&num=799

?? exactly same text heh.

Originally posted by zdwebhosting
whats the difference between a bhp and a regular horsepower?

and how come in america I've never heard of this speed 12 ? I just searched and found it but never heard of it here before.

/edit cabal did you just copy/paste the 3rd post down from http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame.mv?file=car.mv&num=799

?? exactly same text heh.

The USA cant match UK when it comes to serious speed, espeically the TVR .... (no chance)

Yes i did copy and paste the text, got rid of the spelling mistakes, although i did read the article in the magazine last week.

Too busy to write it myself ;)


-Shazad

Also check out the Noble M12 (lower league - mid 300bhp as standard)

http://www.pistonheads.com/roadtests/index.asp?storyId=2764


-Shazad

bhp = 1/20 hp.

the tvr speed 12 in race trim (detuned for gt racing indeed) has 800 bhp 760 ft lbs torque and will see 60 in under 3 seconds on slicks, all from a v12 flat plane crank 7.7 litre engine that borrows greatly from the arrows hart f1 engine.

the engine that blew the dyno wasnt the cerbera speed 12 which is the model they currently sell (188k gbp) but the original speed 12 which had a far more racier chassis. lol the coolest thing is they really do blow everyone away. its a few blokes in a shed in blackpool, and not just their fastest car, but even their 2nd to top range has a higher power to weight ratio then any other road car on the planet.

you havent heard of it because they dont even advertise it, its for the select only, there are a few of them about and one bloke has actually tuned his, why i will never know, but hes taken the detuned 800bhp and added a whopping 50%. shame the cars got a few teething problems in racing. its a true british sports car in every sense.

richy if a bhp = 1/20th of a h/p then 1,000 bhp would = 50h/p lol which can't be right so whats the true h/p to bhp converter?

Haha.

BHP is the manufacturer's value, as measured at the flywheel;

HP is the value usually found when checking at the wheel, what is being transferred to the road .

HP is always smaller than BHP, because of power loss going thru an alternator, the entire transmission, etc.

1/20 is a silly formula, you usually must substract 3 to 5% from the BHP value to find how many ponies are gone.

I believe that the power loss is significantly greater, when the car is a RWD with a front engine, like our Transams.
But we still can count on kickass torque! :cool:

umm i think youll find the original horse power is 20 of our conventional ponies, if you dont believe me then have a think, remember that annoying little french car, the 2cv, deux che vaux apologoies for my terrible french spelling, which translates at 2 horse power. which equates the the 39-40 ish ponies we measure it as today. why did this occur? marketing, exactly the same reason we have pmpo power ratings for sounds centres, ohhh look daddy i want that 1200watt stereo look its only 49 dollars, neglecting to mention that pmpo = about 0.00000001 rms and every time they get bored or sales drop they reshuffle the numbers.

so yes that is the true measure, unless you mean the difference between power at axel and power at engine for which of course there is no fixed equation, its dependant on the drive train.

richy but most cars dont loose but like 30-60HP from flywheel to rear wheels so not sure how that really takes into effect but i'll drop it at that ;) I don't know how to measure bhp and proably won't need to ever mess with it anyhow so why worry ;)

ahh sorry so you do mean the loss from transmission, fair enough, theres no equation for it. i thought you were meaning old horse power to our current rating system. the loss fly to tyre varies , dont have any figures to hand but i saw a zetec on a transverse layout loose about 5%

cyansorry i was getting mixed up with british horse power vs brake horse power, which is about 20 to 1 on an average engine.

It's OK, Richy.

I think you are referring to computed ("taxable" or "ISO") horse power, as opposed to revving an engine to its stall point (not the avionic one).
I don't know the formula, but a magnitude of 15 to 20 seems about right.

We're all on the same page now :)

british horse power was an rac measure of power based on the capacity of the engine and the bore etc

h.p. = (D2 x n)/2.5

where D = the diameter of the cylinder in inches [1" = 25.4mm], and n = the number of cylinders, d2 = d squared.

very innacurate of course but it worked in about 1910 :)