If I am showed disrespect by various people (whether it be on the forums or in real life) should I show respect back or would that irresponsible of me? Where I stand right now at the forums is in this position: If you insult me, and you know who you are, and if you show disrespect, I will not respect you. That would show a lack of integrity. You demand respect out of me while you show none towards me particularily because of my political views. Now ask yourself this, do you really expect me to show respect when you show me pure disrespect?

I've got one main belief in life that I have always stuck by "I will always respect you until you show me reason not to".

Once a person loses my respect, it is either extremely hard or impossible to get it back.

If a person shows disrespect to me, then I don't see why I should be respectful to them. Civil, yes but respectfu, no.

--Shaun

Originally posted by giancarlo
If I am showed disrespect by various people (whether it be on the forums or in real life) should I show respect back or would that irresponsible of me? . . . . . . . . No. That would be disrespectful of you. If you believe someone disrespects you, why show them anything?

ALWAYS, and I mean always be respectful, if only to keep your self respect.
Years ago, some woman hollered across the shop floor for me to "Come here." I walked up to her and she said "Hey, it looks like you are gaining weight. Your butt is bigger" (I am not kidding you) I was shocked that first of all, she would call me over to tell me that, and secondly, all eyes were on us as she did so. The ball was in my court, so to speak, as all ears would also be on what I was going to respond with. Any insult I care to dish out at that point would be totally justified. But, any insult I dished out would also give her justification, not only for anything she said about me in the future, but what she said in the first place. I smiled and said "Thank you." as polite as if she just told me I looked fantastic, (Actually, she probably thought I did look fantastic, and her 'attack' was prompted by jealousy.) and I went back to what I was doing. Later that day, (and more than once) she came up to me and said "I didn't mean anything by that" (assumming I knew what she was talking about) I simply said "Oh, I know" because I really did know. She made an ass of herself, and I didn't.

Originally posted by giancarlo
If you insult me, and you know who you are, and if you show disrespect, I will not respect you.

the thing is , you go beyond not "respecting" someone . You do the samething to people you are complaining about and vise versa . Look at it this way , this is wht's house , you and all the other members are guests . Surely no one wants to disrespect wht , but when people do engauge in disrespectful conversation , wht gets disrespected as well . I think its fine if you dont respect someone , but dont do cry wolf if you're going to do the samething you're complaining about .

I have not and never have been disrespecting anybody here beyond the limitations in a debate. I may attack beliefs... but if and only if I am shown complete respect, will I show respect towards others. I have not engaged in any disrespectful debate, only constructive ones.

dude , get a grip ... you have blatently called ME numnuts , troll , and ignorant . I have never called you a name . Not only are you disrespectful , you're a liar too . Do i need to link to the posts where you insult the members by calling them names ? Give me a break... I cant even believe you ... You seriously scare me

You never called me a name? I am no liar. You are the liar. I can't believe you... are you insane?

I guess there is only one question left. How long untill "Aspiring Evangelist" in your title becomes "-".

I generally don't care what people say. In only time I've ever gotten personal on this forum was when case made a specific "less than respectful" comment to me in the past, which I promptly returned with a silly insult, which ended up accomplishing nothing.

The bottom line, it's a forum, who really cares, you're not going to change anyone's mind.

All I try to do is post information that is factual, regardless of which "side" of an arguement I am supporting.

Originally posted by sasha
I guess there is only one question left. How long untill "Aspiring Evangelist" in your title becomes "-".

As long as your title does the same.

I have supported myself, but people here have ignored that along with the evidence I have presented (CIA, New York Times, Directorate of National Security [DOD], even CNN in one or two cases...). I will no longer take part in these petty fights. They are beyond childish and I will have nothing to do with it.

And I really don't see why I should be banned when I have done nothing wrong.

what name have i called you ? Because you have called me numerous names ... Your dishonesty is scary .

example one , you calling me a troll
http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=109374&perpage=15&pagenumber=2

here you are calling basically calling me "idiotic"
http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=109374&perpage=15&pagenumber=4

here you acuse me of using drugs
http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=109374&perpage=15&pagenumber=4

here you are telling people to get a brain transplant
http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=109374&perpage=15&pagenumber=8

here you are calling me ignorant again
http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=109374&perpage=15&pagenumber=8

again calling me ignorant
http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=109374&perpage=15&pagenumber=8

here you call me a "scumbag"
http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=109374&perpage=15&pagenumber=10

here you are admitting to calling people names
http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=109374&perpage=15&pagenumber=12

here you are calling me "numnuts"
http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=865890#post865890

im no angel . But i never verbally attacked you . I made referrences to your attitude , called you "nazi" like in my opinion , and said you were pathetic for accusing me of doctoring an image . This is just a couple i found . If i need to dig everyone up .. i will , i can easily prove how nasty you've been with the members . I seriously hope the mods take action against you because you do things , and cant even take responsibility for them .

In light of this evidence, like the stuff Powell's presented... I will have to express my deepest sorrow for using such language. I am not that type of person. Whether you forgive me is important. However you have overstated me insulting others. I only react with provokation not without provokation.

sure thing kid...

Why don't you read those thread and see who started with the disrespect?
Don't try to come as a victim now, you started this.
I admit, I'm very temperamental and I follow your game, but you started it.

I know what those threads say. Please forgive my behavior. I think the best thing to do is abstain from war against Iraq threads. I really am a nice person once you get to know me, opinionated but nice.

Everyone has their opinions you're not going to change each others minds so agree to disagree and move on. In all fairness giancarlo was called a tarado (retard), Nazi and a closest racist that's not playing nice either!

First of all, I didn't see any of the threads, (I think) or click on the ones listed above. So I am currently impartial as to "who said what to whom"
Just a thought here . . .
It doesn't matter who starts it.
Know why? Because somebody may come along in the middle of something (as they often do) 'hear' only your words. Don't leave the judgement up to them. Just don't say it, and you'll be fine. Yes, I do know that it is easier said than done, but I just thought you might like to know.
Think about it, if nobody sees the provoking post, (or the post as provoking) then what does your post reflect about you?
I am glad this ended amicably, but I imagine some people won't read this, and know that.

And so we have our answer...

Disrespect begets Disrespect
Name calling begets Name calling

Rising above inequity shows strength of charactor. May it be so for all of us.

arpmn if you don't understand spanish, please do not quote me incorrectly.

I said
"No te hagas el tarado", which mean, don't play as a fool. and is a very common expresion in Argentina, where we both live, is not insulting.

Also, I called him Nazi like, in my opinion, but I was talking about his attitude (intolerant and authoritarian).

<<Edited: Typo and other corrections>>

ATST I agree with you, I did bad thing, as I said, I'm very temperamental, and reacted in a bad way :(

Jedito, I am no nazi. I am not even close to one.

And yes I know about that expression.....

Originally posted by Jedito
arpmn if you don't understand spanish, please do not quote me incorrectly.

I said
"No te hagas el tarado", which mean, don't play as a fool. and is a very common expresion in Argentina, where we both live, is not insulting.

Also, I called him Nazi like, in my opinion, but I was talking about his attitude (intolerant and authoritarian).

<<Edited: Typo and other corrections>>
I'm from Costa Rica so I do understand spanish, please do not jump to conclusion about me.
En Costa Rica un tarado es un idiota y es un insulto. Mi único punto es ustedes tienen sus opiniones bastante fuertes y no vale el pleito amenos que les gusta un buen pleito. Perdona por la confusión con la palabra tarado que obviamente tienen diferentes intenciones en Costa Rica y Argentina. Saludos.

Originally posted by Website Rob
And so we have our answer...

Disrespect begets Disrespect
Name calling begets Name calling

Rising above inequity shows strength of charactor. May it be so for all of us.

BINGO! You are correct sir! :D

Giancarlo, let me say it again, I was talking about your attitude, I wasent telling you racist.

Arpmn, perdona, me apresure en sacar conclusiones, pero como aca es una expresion muy comun y para nada es un insulto, supuse que habia sacado la palabra "tarado" fuera de contexto.

Otra cosa seria decir, "sos un tarado", pero no fue lo que dije, ni tampoco la intencion.

BTW, hace 1 año mas o menos, estuve en Jako beach, donde vive un amigo mio, hermoso pais tienen uds :), aunque MUY caluroso :D

Originally posted by Jedito
Giancarlo, let me say it again, I was talking about your attitude, I wasent telling you racist.

Arpmn, perdona, me apresure en sacar conclusiones, pero como aca es una expresion muy comun y para nada es un insulto, supuse que habia sacado la palabra "tarado" fuera de contexto.

Otra cosa seria decir, "sos un tarado", pero no fue lo que dije, ni tampoco la intencion.
¡Pura vida compadre! Yo hice lo mismo con mis conclusiones. Que tengas un buen día.

Originally posted by Jedito
Giancarlo, let me say it again, I was talking about your attitude, I wasent telling you racist.

My attitude was no worse than your's.

Ok, I'm out of here, I wont start again :rolleyes:

Giancarlo, you say you are 18 years old and know everything. Well, maybe if you LEARNED anything in highschool, you would know that it is suppose to be 'An ethical question'.

I did say I am 18 years old. However, I do not know everything. Not even close to everything. But I do plenty of reading and try to learn new things.

And criticizing a little mistake like that one is quite pathetic... find something else to criticize. As I said I don't have the time to fix mistakes like that one and I will not bother.

seriously guys , gian said sorry for his actions . He may have strong views , but he did say sorry . I didnt think he would actually do it , but he was the bigger person , and i think we should cut him some slack now that he has attempted to correct his mistake . I will be first to admit that no one here is an angel , i see no point in ganging up on him. He realized that he was upsetting people , as i have realized some of things i were saying were not right for this forum . Lets just all get along , have a good time , and keep our personal opinions of one another to ourselves .

...Originally posted by case
I will be first to admit that no one here is an angel..
I might be an angel.

lol , well if thats the case , can you please tell god i need to win the lotto

im one fo those people who treat others like they treat me. if someone disrepects me, i disrepect them back. if someone repects me, i respect them back. very simple logic, works great :D

Case, I must agree with you this time. There is no reason to continue any of this.

Greetings:

I'm not sure this is a question of ethics; I think it is more a question of character.

If you are able to continue to maintain your character (which in some instances is not sinking to their level), then you are being true to yourself.

Thank you.

P.S. Part of character is knowing when a reply only creates distractions for all parties; and that fighing certain fights only erodes characters and not builds it.

It's funny that you should choose to make a post in this thread, dynamicnet. I know that I put a question to you in another thread, with regard to your character (and doing something against WHT Forum rules) yet you chose not to answer. We can discuss it further if you'd like, but to avoid responsibilty when questioned about your actions, shows no character at all.

P.S. Part of "good" character is taking responsiblity for your actions. Anything less is...

ummm ok guys ummm se habla english??? i would like to know what the post was in spanish with the :D at the end of it:D
btw i dont think i got that right sorry if i offend anyone.
James

Originally posted by jamenjaw
ummm ok guys ummm se habla english??? i would like to know what the post was in spanish with the :D at the end of it:D
btw i dont think i got that right sorry if i offend anyone.
James
No problem we habla english too...Jedito was just saying that he visited Costa Rica (where I'm from) about a year ago and was at Jaco Beach. He was just letting me know that he thought Costa Rica is a beautiful country but a bit to hot weather wise!

Are you actually still mad from that thread about Iraq? I thought everyone forgot about it by now. Why would you try to gain respect from people you never met,seen,know, and personally talked to them?
You stated your position. Period. If they don't believe why are you even waisting energy and time trying to explain it. It's pointless, move on with your life.