Oh I will have a field day tomorrow!
http://www.weblogicorp.com/
http://www.timechange.com/

Your site is down time change, remember take screenshots

yes I know, I am about to kick lightnin :D

I am writing the C&D letter as we speak.

yup, your site is down timechange. however, I do remember what your site looked like and hmmm..bad bad weblogicorp.com

View source at http://www.weblogicorp.com/aboutus.html

View source at http://www.weblogicorp.com/aboutus.html

Please confirm the following (this is evidence)

<META content="Professional, graphically powerful Web Page Design, by TimeChange Creative Services, a group of Web Design specialists. We offer a window to the future. Let us create your website. Or design your logo or graphics. Reasonable rates, for high quality work." name=description>

<META content="web design, web site design, website design, web page design, Photoshop, graphics, graphics design, logo design, domain, web, create web page, virtual servers, millennium, technology, Daylight Saving Time, Orlando, Florida, Hellas" name=keywords>

OK timechange.com is up :D

:o yikes! well, there's no denying it now - once again, bad bad weblogicorp.com :rolleyes:

[whois.enom.com]
Registration Service Provided By: PowerPipe.com
Contact: sales@powerpipe.com
Visit: http://www.powerpipe.com

Domain name: weblogicorp.com

Registrant Contact:
PC Logic Corp.
Jeffery Stimac (domains@rvpc.com)
612-581-5543
FAX: none
910 89th Ave NW
Coon Rapids, MN 55433
US


Administrative Contact:
PC Logic Corp.
Jeffery Stimac (domains@rvpc.com)
612-581-5543
FAX: none
910 89th Ave NW
Coon Rapids, MN 55433
US


Billing Contact:
PC Logic Corp.
Jeffery Stimac (domains@rvpc.com)
612-581-5543
FAX: none
910 89th Ave NW
Coon Rapids, MN 55433
US


Technical Contact:
rvpc.com
Domain Admin (domains@rvpc.com)
320.980.0570
FAX: none
3510 15th st N
St. Cloud, MN 56303
USA



Status: PROTECTED
Note: To help prevent malicious domain hijacking and domain
transfer errors, the registrar has protected the registrant
of this domain name registrant by locking it. Any attempted
transfers will be denied at the registry until the registrant
requests otherwise. The registrant for the name may unlock
the name at any time at the current registrar in order for
a transfer initiation to succeed

DNS servers:
ns.rvpc.com
ns2.rvpc.com

Created: 10/23/02 00:00:00
Expires: 10/23/03 00:00:00

Confirmed

<META
content="Professional, graphically powerful Web Page Design, by TimeChange Creative Services, a group of Web Design specialists. We offer a window to the future. Let us create your website. Or design your logo or graphics. Reasonable rates, for high quality work."
name=description>
<META
content="web design, web site design, website design, web page design, Photoshop, graphics, graphics design, logo design, domain, web, create web page, virtual servers, millennium, technology, Daylight Saving Time, Orlando, Florida, Hellas"
name=keywords><!-- ImageReady Preload Script (bar.psd) -->

You riped him!

is0lized, I will be polite just once: edit your post & remove what you just said.

Well, you have to admit - it's very sporting of them to give you honorable mention in their meta tags. Good luck going after them. Be sure to post here with an update.

BTW, how did you spot them?

Vito

Referral logs; I believe he was pulling an image directly.

:rolleyes:

Sor5ry time change, should of put a smiley ;)

For the last time, I urge you to remove your posts as you are complicating my effort.

Well Theo, Atleast now you know you have a good design :D

Originally posted by timechange
For the last time, I urge you to remove your posts as you are complicating my effort.
who? :confused:

Originally posted by pattox
Well Theo, Atleast now you know you have a good design :D

Thanks. It's been there for 2 years now! And that monster of a logo they plastered on it...

If you are looking for web design or development, you've come to the right place. At WebLogic, we treat you with the respect you deserve and work with you to create the site you are looking for.


I wonder if that means I get to pay 1000's of dollars for them to rip and customize a site for me too?

Maybe i should open up a web design site that will professional rip a website of their choice.

Even ripped your prices.

Their portfolio is a bit empty so far...

> Their portfolio is a bit empty so far...

I wonder why ;)

But it is a grouse template, I can even see myself ripping a template sometimes but then i realise its easier just to fork out the $500 for a decent one :D

Pisses me off that not only they stole (and murdered) the design, but they can't even write copy! They copied that too, word for word with minor alterations pertaining to the location and area!

Some people just dont deserve internet access :D

:D That's a good line

No seriously... this *really* freakin amazes me.

It's one thing to see a forum site or a hosting site ripped..

but to see a site that offers web design ripped for someone else offering web design... what in the *HELL* is that?! makes absolutely no sense to me...

Originally posted by timechange
Referral logs; I believe he was pulling an image directly.

This is your chance man.........*cough* Nasty Porn *cough* to show them who is their daddy :D

Reminds me, I did that to a guy who was pulling an image from my site for his Ebay auction......... Couldn't sell the goods, I wonder why....

timechange:

Have your attorney get a letter off to them immediately.

It is a VERY clear rip. No questions about it. Hope they get pulled real soon.


<!-- saved from url=(0040)contactus.html -->
<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Contact Us</TITLE>
<META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<META
content="Professional, graphically powerful Web Page Design, by TimeChange Creative Services, a group of Web Design specialists. We offer a window to the future. Let us create your website. Or design your logo or graphics. Reasonable rates, for high quality work."
name=description>

A cease and desist letter has been despatched. I am shocked by the stupidity of this person.

By the way, the header <!-- saved from url=(0040)contactus.html --> shows that all they did was using Internet explorer to save the entire set of pages.

My God that's pathetic.

If he is using an image I seriously would put some nasty pic where he's pulling it from you. Just change the image name in your coding and upload a pic that is fun for the whole family for his site to use. :)

Wow, I love the drama on WHT. It's better then soaps.

Your website (timechange.com) has a copyright for 2001. We are in 2003.

an absolute bloody rip
gods I hate these pathetic creeps who are too stupidly lazy to even write their own text
this is theft -- sheer and simple theft --

i cant wait to see what this guys reply is, if any

Originally posted by VeroHost
Your website (timechange.com) has a copyright for 2001. We are in 2003. Copyright is in force whether a statement to that effect is made or not. And when a copyright notice is printed, the date stated is the date of first publication.

So the copyright notice on the site in no way means the content is not currently under copyright protection.

Originally posted by VeroHost
Your website (timechange.com) has a copyright for 2001. We are in 2003.

Copyright is essentially the timestamp of the creation of a piece of work. The website was designed in 2001. I haven't made changes to it - with the exception of the portfolio which has a completely separate design and content.

You don't change copyright dates to match the current year, they are fixed when pen meets paper. If you use copy from previous works then you should include those dates as well, but you can't just change the copyright date because the calendar flipped.

What's funny is that weblogicorp has written "Copyright 2003 WebLogic Corporation". Fraud and plageurism, neat!

On another note, you may want to contact the fine folks from bea.com about their "WebLogic®" registered trademark.

No changes for 2 years? If you say so.

Originally posted by VeroHost
No changes for 2 years? If you say so.

Correct; my website's design provides the framework for my services. Unless these services change substantially I have no reason to redesign it. The portfolio needs to be updated though :D

Wow ... VeroHost seems to be alittle edgey about this. Maybe he has something to do with it! :D

Originally posted by timechange
[whois.enom.com]
Registration Service Provided By: PowerPipe.com
Contact: sales@powerpipe.com
Visit: http://www.powerpipe.com

Domain name: weblogicorp.com

Registrant Contact:
PC Logic Corp.
Jeffery Stimac (domains@rvpc.com)
612-581-5543
FAX: none
910 89th Ave NW
Coon Rapids, MN 55433
US


Administrative Contact:
PC Logic Corp.
Jeffery Stimac (domains@rvpc.com)
612-581-5543
FAX: none
910 89th Ave NW
Coon Rapids, MN 55433
US


Billing Contact:
PC Logic Corp.
Jeffery Stimac (domains@rvpc.com)
612-581-5543
FAX: none
910 89th Ave NW
Coon Rapids, MN 55433
US



Hey that’s 8 miles down the road from me! Want me to go TP his place? That a 100% genuine site rip and by a web “designer”! Funny a web designer who can’t design his own site! :rolleyes:

Originally posted by timechange
Referral logs; I believe he was pulling an image directly.

Oh sweet Jesus!! Are they THAT stupid??

Good luck to you timechange!! if you need help with complaining to somebody (webhost or whatever) - I'll help out.

I'd hire them. They sure know how to rip a good site!



j/k

I sent them an inquiry about doing a design for me through the contact form on their site. (Of course, I was very clear that I wanted the $750 design job and I wanted them to make sure that they ripped a good site's coding down to the last letter).

Guess what? After submitting the contact form the link was broken. :D

I guess they can't even make a form without copying it from someone else. He set it up to go to "thankyou.php".

I checked timechanges site. They have that, but weblogic doesn't. This is truly the worst rip I've ever seen.

Thanks. Please do not contact this guy, my lawyer is handling this matter already.

The issue was resolved; their web host, RVPC.com handled the matter very professionally.

The Weblogicorp.com web site is now back to its previous design.

Thank you all for your feedback & assistance!

:beer: :beer:

Vito

You wanna bet?

This guy is SERIOUSLY pitiful...

http://www.duodesign.com/design/
http://www.duodesign.com

http://www.weblogicorp.com/

In his meta tags...

<!-- saved from url=(0032)http://www.duodesign.com/design/ -->

OMFG

Originally posted by Coach
This guy is SERIOUSLY pitiful...

http://www.duodesign.com

http://www.weblogicorp.com/

In his meta tags...

<!-- saved from url=(0032)http://www.duodesign.com/design/ -->

Oh my... I think he should be seriously penalized for what he's doing - that's pure stealing.

Want to see more?

http://www.collinsbus.com
Click on weblogic's Richfield Bus Company link.

Click on the Heartland Tours link and see who it is really written by.

<meta name="author" content="intelliGraphix inc.">
<meta http-equiv="reply-to" content="tkunz@intelligraphix.com">

That really pisses me off the Richfield Bus Company is a big transportation company here in Minnesota. I bet they paid top dollar to this thief and all he did was Save As from someone else's design! I'll be letting them know that their site is stolen I'm sure they wouldn't stand for that!

According to the host, RVPC.com's manager, Kyle Ohme, he was told that the guy/owner of Weblogicorp was "unaware" of this and that it was the "designer" who did it. Now either they like the work of an apparent "serial ripper" designer, or the owner/designer are one and the same. Regardless, I am putting together a nice document for Weblogicorp and will notify everyone affected.

holy oh my god..... what in the F**K is that crap?

A web designer doing serial ripping.


Contact the bbb.org
contact their webhost
contact every single person who they designed a site for and let them know they paid for stolen work
contact weblogicorp and let them know you know about all their ripped sites

that's so freakin messed up.. I can't believe people like that exist.

I contacted Richfieldbus.com - the guy I spoke to claimed that their former employee designed it and he also didn't seem to understand anything I told him about "HTML source" etc. But he gave me the name and phone number of this guy who "designed" it.

Then I called Collinsbus.com to let them know and spoke with the IT dpt manager who commented on how bad of a rip that was!

I notified RVPC of the latest changes (duodesign.com) and he has taken down Weblogicorp's web site completely.

I've contacted all parties in question here after I looked at their old design. duodesign.com, rvcp.com and collinsbus.com.

Kyle said he's giving them two hours before their legal contacts them.

No matter what WebLogic does at this point, they would be kicked off any hosting plans I have, I would have created backups of both sites and sent them to the offended companies to take care of rightly.

Someone probably out to contact Richfield Bus Company to take action against the designer considering they actually paid money for a design they're not going to be able to use. If anyone is actually likely to sue and put this guy out of business it's going to be them.

For the record, here's Google's cache of the Weblogicorp's rip, prior to copying mine:

http://216.239.57.100/search?q=cache:7NlfMcOMJ5YC:www.weblogicorp.com/+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

I can't beleive i missed this thread :(

Did you sue for punitive damages?? ;)

Originally posted by timechange
yes I know, I am about to kick lightnin :D

I am writing the C&D letter as we speak.

Sorry about that, Theo! Hopefully with the measures that were taken we can keep attacks like that from affecting us so much. It was a long, bad night. :)

This has so many signs of the habiltual site ripper bigtom .... so many...

Actually, although I did discuss the subject with my lawyer, I decided to let it slide.

Why?

Well the owner of Weblogicorp actually contacted me and spoke on the phone. It's one of these cases where not enough thought was put into something that eventually leads you to trouble.

According to Jeff from Weblogicorp, they did a search for the 5-10 nicest looking web sites on Google with a development theme and mine was the "lucky one". His designer did a fast sloppy job admittedly, but it was a really big goof.

Definitely the wrong way to enter business; Weblogicorp will be offering web development services, but as I am not a large corporation so is Jeff. People should learn from their mistakes and given a chance to amend situations.

Jeff told me he contacted the companies affected and explained that he will take care of the discrepancies. Jeff's designer is the son of the person who built the Richfield Bus web site. I hope his dad doesn't get fired over this, but I doubt it as the person I spoke to from Richfield was as Internet-savvy as a wooden chair.

At any rate, I had an honest 20 minute chat with Jeff and he is sincerely apologetic over this mess. I explained that I am satisfied by the fact that the rip of my website was removed within hours of my asking so and that I am not a mean person that would take things further. However, I am on a crusade to protect my work and early this am I was going to escalate it if necessary.

The question is, what will Weblogicorp use for their next web site, now that the last resort was proved to be a rip as well?

I really think that Jeff should consider launching a contest here at WHT and the best design will be purchased by Weblogicorp and at no discounted price :D I am willing to be the judge of this "competition".

OK, humor aside I think that I need to thank my good luck for finding a single link in hundrends of unique referrers and clicking on it. I am certain that Jeff and Weblogicorp will think twice before repeating the same mistake and that today's stressful day has been a lesson.

Originally posted by lightnin
Sorry about that, Theo! Hopefully with the measures that were taken we can keep attacks like that from affecting us so much. It was a long, bad night. :)

I was kidding about the kicking :D I know that when things go wrong you guys are 100% aware of it.

But I didn't know it was a DoS attack.

sux 4 u

They made their own site this time :)
http://www.weblogicorp.com/

Ewww... Now I see why they ripped.

Nasty looking logo. If that's their best work maybe it's time to try something different!

Let's see if they do what they promise:
WebLogic is currently undergoing New Design. It will not be Ripped. Our sincerest apologies.

We will be done at the end of February. Thanks for your patience.
Maybe we should keep an eye on them?

that's funny..

what's the point now? You have a big fat statment at the front of your page... We're undergoing a new design, we will not blatently plagerize it this time. We're really sorry we got caught. However, when we open back up, we will still offer a custom solution to be your web design needs!

I'd be folding and trying again under a new name :P

I have already made an ass out of myself to about 5 different businesses by calling them up and telling them I am an idiot. An idiot for not paying more attention to what my designer was doing and for possibly pointing him in the wrong direction. My designer is probably one of the best Database guys around here.. he was laid off and he needed work. I have been running an IT business for the past 8 years.. very small stuff for small businesses and homes. Well I used to build websites in the early 90's with Unix code and all that fun HTML code crap..but got out of it. Lately over the past year I have help edit some friends sites and soon I had businesses asking me to build them sites.. so i picked a friend of mine..the database guy to help me. He is not a designer at all and has never built a site from scratch.. so in the meantime while we were having another friend of mine build our main site.. he put those sites up fast.. not realizing it was illegal and wrong. Just never crossed his mind. That is why the rip was so easy to see.. we didn't hide anything or redesign it or change it too much because he/we thought we did no wrong for borrowing the template for a couple months. Do you honestly think after timechange put his foot in my ass that i would put another ripped site back on the web.. hell no. I didn't know the site was ripped... just shows how in the dark i was and how new i am to the game. It is not going to be a big part of my income by no means but i want to learn.. so please give me some slack and help me out. my email is chicchak@hotmail.com send me tips or whatever if you want. I have apologized a million times to everyone and I will do it again if i need to! I will not be watching this forum much do to how busy i am am and not around much.. but please email me with links to sites on legality issues or does and don't in the website design world. All your replies on this forum were pretty funny.. i did deserve to be ripped on and torn apart but I am down on my knees asking for forgiveness and for a second shot. As for my business.. I have yet to bring in one dollar yet for business on my website side due to personal issues. This reply is probably sloppy and has terrible grammar but i am in a hurry and my stomach is still turning from what could have happened to me.. Thanks again Theo and Mike for understand.. I didn't mean to rip your site and do any damage to your name or business! Off i go.. Jeff Stimac :(

Well, I have to admit that was pretty brave of you to put up a coming soon page like you did.

A sincere apology and believable... though I have a hard time understanding how your database guy could not understand that saving a site in frontpage and putting it up as his own work is wrong. Probably shouldn't advertise web design services if you're not coding eitherand that was the main focus of the site.

No more bashing here from me though because it seems like a noble resolution and the person who's design was taken seems to have accepted your apology.

Cheers.

Jeff you are so lucky it wasn't me. I have no respect for people that steal and lose even more respect for them after they go "I'm sorry, can you help me now?" I would have taken you to court - not for any money, just to show you how it's done in the real world. I say if you're going to teach someone to correct their mistakes, do it in the hardest way possible.

Even if you consider this to be a "small percentage of your income" you should still do it honestly all the way through.

It takes cajones to fess up even though they were caught red-handed. If they want to give a shot legit it’s a free country and see what they can do on their own. There is already a ton of great original designers out there so it is a crowded field but hey good luck!

Hey Jeff,

As I said, no hard feelings and I'm a believer of second chances for those who deserve it.

On another note, my advice is to visit WHT often. It's a great community and there's tonns to be gained from actively participating. :D

Originally posted by Chicky
He is not a designer at all and has never built a site from scratch.. .. he put those sites up fast.. not realizing it was illegal and wrong. Just never crossed his mind.... Do you honestly think after timechange put his foot in my ass that i would put another ripped site back on the web.. hell no. I didn't know the site was ripped... just shows how in the dark i was and how new i am to the game.

Apolgy accepted here, but one question:

Who did you think "Did" the second one? The database guy?

Either you're working with two rippers or your trying to say that when the guy who ripped your first template (who has no design experience at all) brought you another one you just assumed he miraculously learned to design and code. Either way it's a bit tough to swallow.

Maybe it was just unclear because you were rushed....

Well I sure am glad Theo and Mike understood my situation... it is a long story of how both site were ripped..but here is the short quick version. 4 months ago when my database guy built my first site... the duodesign rip.. i didn't know it was rip... but we had it posted for a couple months.. i didn't like the site..so last week I had my DB guy redesign the site (i thought he designed the first one, which i found out he didn't) So i told hiim i loved a few sites out there and i pointed him to timechange site.. he ripped it and 1 day later timechange (theo) put his foot in my ass and then i took the site down immediately and put up the old site. I didn't know it was ripped.. or else i wouldn't of put that site back up either.. thats how in the dark i was..
"in the dark" = "idiot" = not knowing and should!
Put it this way.. i got into the website buz only because i was a little pushed into and i jumped in too fast. Kyle my host guy is a very legit and intelligent guy.. he had no idea what my DB guy was doing either.. but I do thank him for helping me and now i will be taking baby steps into this website design thing. I know it is bold of me to "rip" and then ask for help.. but thats how i work..I have always been the most forgiving guy in the world and helpful guy in the world to my friends and client.. i've given thousands of IT computer hours away and not billed just because i llike doing what i do.. not just to make a buck.. but i didn't mean to cut corners by ripping graphics, sites off.. it was a thing i didn't know anything of.. I need to play by the rules.. but i need to know them..that is the help i need. I would love to know of website that will give me an understanding of website design rules or whatever! I hope you all understand.. and I read above that one of you said you would of taken me to court and it that is what would of happen..then i would of really learned the hard way and lost probably everything i have worked so hard for the past 9 years in my IT business. So i am lucky in that respect and I have theo and mike to thank. Once again.. my most humble apologizes and I hope to visit this forum more with out being harrassed too much.. of course i will be "that guy" forever on this forum..but thats ok.. I learned valuable design lesson that i didn't know. Well off to get some work done.... Jeff Stimac

as for the graphic that you are all making fun of now that is on my site.. once again that would be me whipping something up there while i have my design girl design a new logo.. yes i suck at it! As for me creating a new site.. I am so new that i don't have too much money to burn to be able to pay for a site right now and i am afraid to actually do anythiing wrong. I really don't know enough... i guess i just rely too much on my help that they are going to do things correctly and legit. Please do watch my site and rip me apart.. i will grow better and learn more from you gurus!! off i go... Jeff Stimac
Anyone willing to help me design and/or give direction on my new site. please email me.. hell who knows, i might turn out to be a great bud

chicchak@hotmail.com

Originally posted by Chicky
4 months ago when my database guy built my first site... the duodesign rip.. i didn't know it was rip... but we had it posted for a couple months.. i didn't like the site..so last week I had my DB guy redesign the site (i thought he designed the first one, which i found out he didn't) So i told hiim i loved a few sites out there and i pointed him to timechange site..

That clears it up a bit. I was thinking the timechange site came first then the duodesigns site. Thanks clearing that up, and good luck to you.

Andrew