Here, start a new post, that other one is just too big!

You're absolutely right, TK. How about we start this one off with yet another indication of what people will have to deal with when they deal with True Hosting? Just think about this, if you are someone reading this forum for information about this "company": this is what "Davey" sends out via email to people who contact him when they mention that they have seen information that leads them to not choose him - even when they don't specifically mention my site. Beware....

(Begin quote)
[What] you have read is all the result of one individual (her true name is Annette Howard). She is currently under investigation by multiple US authorities for fraud and other offences. She has faked emails, and goes under many different aliases. Do not worry about it, she will soon be imprisoned.
(End quote)

So, weaselboy, which "authorities" are supposedly investigating me? For what supposed offenses? When can I look forward to being imprisoned? What's your "lawyer's" name? What are the case numbers on all these supposed lawsuits? When will you learn that you are just not that bright - and that everyone can see it by the way you act?

On the other hand, have you all considered that you're beginning to sound like fanatics? Anyone with any functioning gray matter will avoid them after having read your comments (including responses from them). repeating them ad nauseum won't change anything.

I had some horrible experiences too with AIT, said what I had to here, and then let it rest. You all might want to consider doing the same. It's certainly preferable to starting yet another thread about them.

Not fanatics, no. Most hosts (and I use that term loosely wrt to TH) don't work themselves into self-immolation. As long as he continues to send out email like that one about me with NO backing to his claims, as long as he continues to blame me for his stunning lack of professionalism, technical literacy, and common sense, and as long as he says idiotic things, I will continue to point out what a jackass he is. It is not my problem if he is intent on destroying his reputation in this manner, but it certainly is my problem if he sends out email like the one I posted in the message just before yours - and that was somehting he sent last night.

Regarding AIT - did they start sending email to people indicating that you were the cause of their problems? Spam a message board of yours with thousands of messages? Mail bomb you with up to 21,000(!) emails, as TH has done? I say quite confidently that no one has reached the pinnacle of horridness that TH has. Until he either shuts down or shuts up, or until someone, anywhere see a twinkling of these mysterious "legal actions" that he threatens/claims exist, then he is fair game.

I thought over what you posted, Duster (the shower is such a soothing place, no? :) ). I think that my (personal) activity here will be more muted toward "Davey", as I can see, after reviewing some of these posts made by a variety of people, that your point is well taken. People searching for a host, who take the time to research their potential choices, will surely steer clear of TH. Those who don't take the time will just as surely generate their own complaints in various forums regarding this guy. I can say that my site will continue to be a clearinghouse for information regarding TH, and very likely I will remain the focal point of his self-created problems. Luckily for me, people forward me the things he sends them. Also luckily for me, most people are fairly reasonable creatures, and discount what he writes. Thanks for a bit of a slap to the head. Perhaps one day I can do the same for you. So to speak. :)

Well, to be honest, it's all getting a little ad nauseum.

You can only take so much of someone's rantings ;-)

Meanwhile, Annette, did ya receive my 3 wacky stories a few days ago (after I forwarded you more ** material?) ;-) (you know what I'm talking about)

Originally posted by BC:
Well, to be honest, it's all getting a little ad nauseum.

You can only take so much of someone's rantings ;-)

Meanwhile, Annette, did ya receive my 3 wacky stories a few days ago (after I forwarded you more ** material?) ;-) (you know what I'm talking about)

Yes I did, and thanks very much. Right now I'm on a biweekly update, and of course have quite a few stories in the hopper. One thing that is not lacking are tales of (l)users. One thing that is lacking sometimes is getting people to send them in. You know who you are. :)

Thanks Duster, you got my point. (I stopped reading the last TH post once it got to 4 pages long.) I would venture to guess that most people don't have time (like me) to read through pages and pages of the same stuff. I definately got the point after the first couple posts. Added to that my experiences with the host I had at the time, I didn't have the patience to read all those posts.

Here's the philosophy I try to use for my postings: post the rating of a host to get it on the forum, and wait for it to fall off and repost. Just so it's there for future unsuspecting possible victims of these immoral crooks.

Please don't get me wrong, Duster, Annette, etc. I really appreciate your postings - they told me how bad TH is. That they were one more host to knock of my list.

Here's an update on TH and the boot from Alabanza for those who are interested. If you're not interested, feel free to give this thread a pass:

truehosting.com still resolves to an Alabanza IP block, but the nameservers truehosting.net and server7.speedyservers.com now resolve to an IP block assigned to VDI (http://www.vdi.net) - and TH should fit right in with this one, as they say on their front page that they are "The Leader in Dedicated Servers and Co-locations". Their page stinks (bad spelling, bad grammar, and psuedo-"news") and they are horribly expensive.

Guess we'll wait for "Davey's" explanation of why he left Alabanza...

Just an FYI.

Crappy provider for a crappy reseller.



[This message has been edited by Private Joker (edited 05-04-2000).]

VDI(Virtual Development Inc.) Hosts BurstNet.

I can't believe that BurstNET would actually allow TrueHosting to join with them.

BurstNET is a reputable company, and should have nothing to do with TrueHosting.
Worse, since BurstNET put them on teir list of clients, it makes it look like BurstNET is pleased to be associated with Peter. Oh!

How can BurstNET sink so low..??

I'll give them around 4 months tops before they are kicked off there network. Oh and wait for it Alabanza are gonna get sued by Davey and are closing down soon lol. Well he cant offer his unlimited bandwidth now can he :).

Originally posted by Bens:
I can't believe that BurstNET would actually allow TrueHosting to join with them.

BurstNET is a reputable company, and should have nothing to do with TrueHosting.
Worse, since BurstNET put them on teir list of clients, it makes it look like BurstNET is pleased to be associated with Peter. Oh!

How can BurstNET sink so low..??

First off, don't diss VDI, they are one of the best colocation places out there. There website may be crap, but examine how many hosts colocate there and its easy to see why they do. Excellent support, friendly staff and a good attitude.

Second, I know that Truehosting have scamed a lot of people. But it appears they seem to have learned from their mistakes, there have been no rip off stories of late so perhaps they are turning over a new leaf....

Regards,
Jordan

Jordan,
If Davey (or whoever he is) just delivered on the services he promises on his web page and does insult people all the time then I for one wouldn't have a problem with him.

We all know Peter has cocked up a number of times, but I think that with the move he has just made his clients will see a much greater level of service and uptime.

Jordan

I don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet, but True Hosting is now listed on Burst Net's client sampling page.

Originally posted by jordan:
We all know Peter has cocked up a number of times, but I think that with the move he has just made his clients will see a much greater level of service and uptime.

Jordan



How exactly do you reach that conclusion? Alabanza, from all accounts, is one of the better providers out there - from both a customer and technical standpoint. The only way Peter is going to have a "much greater level of service" is if he actually makes an effort to help his customers (whatever ones may be left after last night's/ this morning's downtime). If he continues to ignore requests for assistance, continues to tell people to "f*ck off" wheh they get irritated by a lack of response and say so, continues to lie about the scope of his business and his technical knowledge, and continues to make outrageous, libellous claims about people, nothing is going to change.

Alabanza are by far one the best hosting providers out there. I myself arent with them yet but im waying up all the odds of moving to them. I've sent numerous emails to them at which they are reponsed to within a few hours at times minutes. Now they cannot be doing to much wrong hosting some of the biggest webhosts in the industry. I've always been able to geto sites on alabanza servers bar truehosting and nomonthlyfess. there automated systems make it very easy for resellers to make the jump to being a proper host with little effort. There fess arent exactly cheap but good services dont come cheap.

Im emailling BurstNET to tell them how much confidence, and respect I have just lost in them after seeing they are willing to host True Hosting. Dreadfull.

I advise you to do the same.

BTW - does everyone know this guys proper address, and real land-line telephone number?? I have them - got them from BT.

Another thing - I dont think he has registered for the Data Protection Act int he UK - he is keeping very sensitive information, and should be registered. But he aint - in other words he is breaking english law i think...

Pintado: email me with what you have for Davey:

joey@screamradio.com

Thanks,

-- J.

I believe that you are looking at this all wrong. Would you prefer that True Hosting moved to a bad provider, so their clients have server/site problems as well?
True Hosting has alot of clients, more than you would think, and atleast for the client's sake you should be happy we took their business.

Not enough companies in the hosting industry act to increase the public opinion of the industry itself. A few bad companies can make the whole industry look bad. BurstNET® was presented with the opportunity to assist in correcting such with signing up True Hosting, and that is what we are going to do with this firm.

BurstNET® is allowing True Hosting clients to contact us directly for support, which we feel will help out their reputation a bit, and help out the clients where needed most.
We are also working closely with True Hosting to develop a new billing infrastructure, to help in that aspect. With BurstNET® as the backend for this hosting firm, we can push/force them to service their clients as they shoud be.

Regardless, be happy for the clients getting BurstNET® service...they would have been hosted somewhere, might as well be somewhere that has staff that cares about them :-)

Warm Regards,
Sean R.
BurstNET®
Online Rep


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I think Sean makes a very good point here...aint it better that Truehosting go with one of the best in the industry?

I am certain BurstNET will do the Truehosting clients proud support wise :)

Regards,

Jordan

Well you gotta admit Truehosting can't get much worse.

I will admit that BurstNET has the right idea, and stuff to help TrueHosting out.
However.. think about what will happen:
Since TH is by BN, TH's support will be great (due to BN). But this will allow TH to just scam more people in, and start again with not refunding the money, etc.

Basically, BN is helping TH just acquire more people to do more bad.

I think TH should be shunned by all hosts and left out to wither away.

I'll say it again: Let 'em eat cake.

Peter Francis MacRae should be run out of business and thrown in prison. Even in this forum he's inadvertently copped to false advertising, fraud, spamming, libel, tax evasion, and harassment.

Further, I'm sure I'm not the only one in this forum with lawyers preparing to eat Peter Francis MacRae's lunch. So keep in mind, Burst: the involvement of any affiliated companies is going to be strictly evaluated when the balloon goes up. I am not remotely done with him, and I can't imagine the authorities are, either.

I have no doubts you run a top-notch service. But as they say: if you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

-- J.

Originally posted by BurstNET:
I believe that you are looking at this all wrong. Would you prefer that True Hosting moved to a bad provider, so their clients have server/site problems as well?


No. What many of us would prefer is that TH treat their existing clients with the due respect and common courtesy that they deserve. TH has had good providers. TH has simply not acted like one.

I understand where you are coming from Sean - but how would you feel if Peter had changed YOUR site to say you were comitting fraud, and people should not trade with your company. I can see your faces, logging onto burst.net, only to see "SITE TAKEN DOWN FOR FRAUD - WE ADVISE YOU NOT TO TRADE WITH THIS COMPANY"

This individual is a disgrace to the entire Internet industry, and the way hes cruising about like some net cowboy, abusing people in these forums, breaking UK laws, and then getting away with it is beyond me.

I just cant believe you are associating yourself with this person, after all he has done. I bet it was you who told him to shut up in these forums wasnt it, i can hear it

"Now Peter, telling people ot f**k off in forums is not good business sense"
"Isnt it? They cant trace me..."

Im not getting on at BurstNET, but this guy doesnt deserve it.

TrueHosting said that they are upgrading their server software for "brief periods of time" and it has been more than 24 hours now. Can somebody tell me what is going on? They changed my www directory to public_html and my ssi isn't working, my web control panel won't load, etc. When are they going to be done? Thanx.

Originally posted by Johnny Blaze:
TrueHosting said that they are upgrading their server software for "brief periods of time" and it has been more than 24 hours now. Can somebody tell me what is going on? They changed my www directory to public_html and my ssi isn't working, my web control panel won't load, etc. When are they going to be done? Thanx.

Johnny, TrueHosting was just ejected from Alabanza and is being relocated to Burst Net.

What it means to you: He'll be done when the servers are transferred. At least this time he was smart enough to use backups.

Oh, and Johnny, do yourself a favor.
Read through both of the current true hosting threads (about 300 messages) and read through http://www.technogirl.net/99tales/weaselboy.htm

Oh, and good luck!

Originally posted by JTY:
Well you gotta admit Truehosting can't get much worse.

Nope, I think, as it stands, it's lower on the ratings than ***** or HalfpriceHosting.

However, Peter has dug himself a pit that he ain't gonna get out of. I don't care how many excuses he makes, i know Joey is after him, and I think Joey smells blood. i think a few more are after him too. odds are, Peter is gonna be hurting bad from lawyers all too soon...Or, at least, many of us hope...

Earlier Today, I contacted BurstNET and they helped me quickly about TrueHosting moving. They showed me the links to my new control panels, etc.

I went to check and my control panel works! But now, I checked again, I got a 500 Internal Server Error....so I dunno what's going on. I'm kinda mad here.

Originally posted by BurstNET:
I believe that you are looking at this all wrong. Would you prefer that True Hosting moved to a bad provider, so their clients have server/site problems as well?
True Hosting has alot of clients, more than you would think, and atleast for the client's sake you should be happy we took their business.

Not enough companies in the hosting industry act to increase the public opinion of the industry itself. A few bad companies can make the whole industry look bad. BurstNET® was presented with the opportunity to assist in correcting such with signing up True Hosting, and that is what we are going to do with this firm.

BurstNET® is allowing True Hosting clients to contact us directly for support, which we feel will help out their reputation a bit, and help out the clients where needed most.
We are also working closely with True Hosting to develop a new billing infrastructure, to help in that aspect. With BurstNET® as the backend for this hosting firm, we can push/force them to service their clients as they shoud be.

Regardless, be happy for the clients getting BurstNET® service...they would have been hosted somewhere, might as well be somewhere that has staff that cares about them :-)

Warm Regards,
Sean R.
BurstNET®
Online Rep



Maybe the Internet community should picket your company for positioning yourself with True hosting. TH ahs commited various acts of fraud ie. Advertising, credit card, etc..
literally raping people and your company says that you want to help them? What do the same thing? You want TH to work on a billing system? It seems that no matter what the reviews are about you company or how big you think you are to have the mellons to say you support this clown you deserve the same treatment. To me I lost money and accounts with this idiot and I wouldn't do business with him or any company associated with him.
Alabanza tried to get me to host with them and I told them I wouldn't host with them while they supported TH even if they gave it to me for free.
If you feel I'm getting on your case for supporting TH ... your right.
If its greed that is making your decision to work with TH whcich I feel it is may you both sink together.

Did BurstNet give them the boot already, they are down again. I can only hope so, I guess that TH hand was to hot to hold.

Seems like TrueHosting got their act together. I emailed them and for once, they wasn't rude to me.

BurstNET is helping me with the support alot.

So we'll see how it goes.

Well, BurstNET just lost my 2 sites over this. I refuse to be associated with a company that would stoop to the level of TrueHosting. I think they'll find out soon enough that this wasn't a very smart move.

thumbs up for alabanza big middle finger to burst... bn why do u think alabanza got rid of them? it makes me think u in the same boat as th now......


Originally posted by Joey the Saint:
Pintado: email me with what you have for Davey:

joey@screamradio.com

Thanks,

-- J.

Originally posted by BurstNET:



BurstNET® is allowing True Hosting clients to contact us directly for support, which we feel will help out their reputation a bit, and help out the clients where needed most.
We are also working closely with True Hosting to develop a new billing infrastructure, to help in that aspect. With BurstNET® as the backend for this hosting firm, we can push/force them to service their clients as they shoud be.

Regardless, be happy for the clients getting BurstNET® service...they would have been hosted somewhere, might as well be somewhere that has staff that cares about them :-)

Warm Regards,
Sean R.
BurstNET®
Online Rep





I wonder how Burst is going to support True Hosting when so many people that host with Burst are having trouble getting support? Burst can't even seem to keep their servers on line lately, and now they are going to devote time to True Hosting support instead of working on their own problems? Very bad business decision. I think Burst will soon discover this is the worst mistake they have ever made. Good luck Burst, you need it.

Jim

Hi, Its not just Burst. Its the ENTIRE servers at VDI.

Take care! :)

[This message has been edited by Gordon (edited 05-08-2000).]

Originally posted by BurstNET:
I believe that you are looking at this all wrong. Would you prefer that True Hosting moved to a bad provider, so their clients have server/site problems as well?
True Hosting has alot of clients, more than you would think, and atleast for the client's sake you should be happy we took their business.

Not enough companies in the hosting industry act to increase the public opinion of the industry itself. A few bad companies can make the whole industry look bad. BurstNET® was presented with the opportunity to assist in correcting such with signing up True Hosting, and that is what we are going to do with this firm.

BurstNET® is allowing True Hosting clients to contact us directly for support, which we feel will help out their reputation a bit, and help out the clients where needed most.
We are also working closely with True Hosting to develop a new billing infrastructure, to help in that aspect. With BurstNET® as the backend for this hosting firm, we can push/force them to service their clients as they shoud be.

Regardless, be happy for the clients getting BurstNET® service...they would have been hosted somewhere, might as well be somewhere that has staff that cares about them :-)

Warm Regards,
Sean R.
BurstNET®
Online Rep




No I think that it is you that is looking at this all wrong. Truehosting's(Peter Francis-Macrae) problems are not and were not caused by who his provider is or was. Alabanza is good and although I don't know a lot about Colossus, at least they have the integrity to put honesty over making money and give Truehosting(Peter Francis-Macrae) the boot originally. The Truehosting problems are due to his criminal activities. Truehosting is solely responsible for Truehosting's problems. Why would you want to associate with and assist with the running of a scam? Maybe you just haven't bothered to look at all of the material relating to Truehosting. I would think that before someone gets involved with another company as you say you are with Truehosting you would at least do a little research to find out just what you are dealing with. Don't you think that it is odd that in less than a year two other companies have booted him off of their servers? Do you really think that just a few unsatisfied customers could convince two companies to give him the boot? Did it ever occur to you that just maybe there really is a problem here? Are you really willing to jeopardize your own company for the sake of Truehosting?

The only thing BurstNet see's in this is the money! They dont care about TH's fraudulent acts. Come on people! Burst seen a some easy cash and went for it.

Is there a way to tell ALL big hosting providers? The word is spreading like the ILOVEYOU virus among my little circle of friends.

I'm wondering about contacting providers, though - suppose someone had told BurstNET just before TH moved over there, would that be construed as "abuse" or something or does that fall under the guise of CAVEAT EMPTOR? Put another way, this isn't quite the same thing as, for instance, I told my boss to go lay an egg (or something even more harsh). I then am interviewing for another job and my previous boss has gone out of his way to contact my new job and warn them about me.

Hopefully, I'm wrong. When it comes to "business practices" like Davey's, I personally would like to be forewarned. I would also do research on that sort of thing and start to wonder why Davey can't seem to keep a permanent home....

my username says it all, yes?

Get it right Linux boy :)

Look, True Hosting now hosts abc.com. At least according to them they do. Look at http://216.10.28.159/. Of course just a few sites over they host a Transexuals site, http://216.10.28.157/.

If you go through their IP block it's amazing what you will find.

That site has since been disabled.
Please supply us with any additional sites like such and the same will be done.
Sean R.
BurstNET
Online Rep


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I think everyone is missing the point.

We should be pleased BurstNET has brought TH as now at least the 2000 odd TH customers will have decent customer service and a company that won;t take their credit cards for a joyride...

http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-marketing/9909/msg00082.html

I don't believe I have seen this link posted anywhere.

...and don't be sipping coffee or anything on your way there, your monitor might suffer.

xoxo

The plot thickens!

It looks like BurstNET pretty much had the crap scared out of them from all the backlash over this. Here's a quote from someone in support when I filled out the form to cancel my 2 accounts with them.

"Ron, you sure you want to cancel these? Contrary to public knowledge, BurstNET® is not hosting True Hosting We have purchased their clients. Official announcement coming soon."

Now take a look at this.
http://www.burst.net/clients.htm

True Hosting is listed. Who's right here? Is True Hosting indeed a client or did they outright buy their clients? We seem to have a communication problem going on somewhere here.

In a way I feel sorry for True Hosting's customers if they're moving to BurstNET. They're going from a crap host to a better one but BurstNET has had it's share of problems lately as well. Support is painfully slow sometimes. What's it going to be like now with thousands of additional clients thrown in? Also, they're going from a host with absolutely no integrity to one who's integrity is very much in question right now for even considering working with TH.

Heh...all I can say is I'm glad I got the hell outa Dodge. :P

GOOD NEWS!!!

BurstNET did purchase TrueHosting's Client! I am one of them! err an ex TH's client!!! They are converting servers right now!

BurstNET has purchased their clients!!!

BurstNET will be posting announcement on truehosting.com as soon as server is back up!

I'm not sure if that is good news... BurstNET already needs more support reps, as their support can be rather slow at times... not to mention setting up new accounts (they say 6 hours or under on their site- I'm not sure that has ever happened). I am worried that the BurstNET support is at right now (which isn't all that great, but isn't horrible) could drop considerably when they acquire the TH clients. When I first signed up, they did not have all that many clients, and their support was fine. However, it seems that they have been hit with a new wave, getting more clients than they can handle. Unfortunately, though, they do not seem to be hiring support reps at a rapid enough pace to handle their increasing growth. I am concerned as to the level of service that current Burst.Net clients will experience in the future.

No more True Hosting :D

Yes there will - I'm pretty sure Davey will try and keep going under one of his other domain names etc.

Keep the vigil....

Go to Truehosting's website they have a press release.

Originally posted by BC:
Yes there will - I'm pretty sure Davey will try and keep going under one of his other domain names etc.

Keep the vigil....

I agree!

Before the press release was put on th's page last night, and while truehosting.com and truehosting.net was down, I found awardhosting was up for the first time in days.

xoxo

Look familiar? He's not gone, just trying to ditch the bad rep...
http://www.awardhosting.com/

And just like that, the world takes a turn for the surreal. What an idiot.

Has anybody ever *seen* PFM? I've talked to him on the phone and he sounded lucid, so I don't think he's missing a chromosome; was he traumatically brain-injured?

====

Um, BurstNET: did you buy his WHOLE customer list? Say no. Please, say no.

I wonder how many customers and dead accounts you bought, i.e., cancelled accounts that he's still billing. I hope you checked them all out; remember, TrueHosting "don't give refunds or credits."

-- J.

Originally posted by c:\del weasleboy:
Get it right Linux boy :)

You're CUTE. Do I sound like a boy?

Maybe I'm a girl....maybe it's UNIX, not Linux....

*GRIN*

Originally posted by guest:
I'm not sure if that is good news... BurstNET already needs more support reps, as their support can be rather slow at times... not to mention setting up new accounts (they say 6 hours or under on their site- I'm not sure that has ever happened). I am worried that the BurstNET support is at right now (which isn't all that great, but isn't horrible) could drop considerably when they acquire the TH clients. When I first signed up, they did not have all that many clients, and their support was fine. However, it seems that they have been hit with a new wave, getting more clients than they can handle. Unfortunately, though, they do not seem to be hiring support reps at a rapid enough pace to handle their increasing growth. I am concerned as to the level of service that current Burst.Net clients will experience in the future.
Maybe Burst Net hired him (Davey/Peter) for Tech support or better yet customer support.

That would only be a good thing if they gave him an office here in the States:

"Hey, Pete? You have a visitor."

Originally posted by Joey the Saint:

That would only be a good thing if they gave him an office here in the States:

"Hey, Pete? You have a visitor."


When I spoke to him last in Feb he said he wanted to take some time to travel the states now he must have money to do so. I hope he visits me. What part of him do you want me to send you?

Well, seeing as how I've already got him by the balls. . .. :P

I've invited him to my office -- hell, I've even given him my home address and cell phone # -- to discuss our financial differences. I'd pay him the money he claims I owe him just for the chance to meet him face to face.

Look me up, Petey.

-- J.

Originally posted by BurstNET:
That site has since been disabled.
Please supply us with any additional sites like such and the same will be done.
Sean R.
BurstNET
Online Rep





Umm... as of right now Awardhosting.com is alive and well. Maybe he put it back up? he is in the middle of a redesign right now.

Screengrab is at www.angrymonkey.org/th.jpg (http://www.angrymonkey.org/th.jpg)

BurstNet may have bought out the customers that True Hosting had, but that's not stoping our friend Pete/Dave or whatever his name is today. He has started work on his awardhosting.com website. This only shows that he's just going to start all over again. Burst Net wasn't liiking out for True Hostings customers, they were only trying to cover their own butt after they caught so much flack over hosting True Hosting. Things don't look good for Burst Net. They couldn't keep their servers on line before and had very slow support. This may put them over the edge. I pointed NetWhistle at Burst's site just now. Lets see what their up time looks like.

Arrggg.. Just when you think it is safe to move half way across the country I come back to this? .. heheh. I have been slow catching up on it all..

BurstNET Just a little advice. Just because you "bought" True Hosting. Does not mean he will stop hurting clients, and does not mean we will stop watching him. The clients now 'might' not get hurt or mislead by you. But the one's that have by him are probably not going to drop this and run away.... Sorry.. I for one will not..

See ya all. I need to catch up here..
Paula

Oh.. That reminds me.. BurstNet did you buy "Vector Enterprises" too??? or does this just mean it was another one of his lies...?

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will BurstNET offer the same features and price as the account I have for TrueHosting?

Originally posted by BurstNET:
(in reference to awardhosting.com)
That site has since been disabled.
Please supply us with any additional sites like such and the same will be done.
Sean R.
BurstNET
Online Rep

And at this time, that site is still not disabled. Want to try webhostingspecials.com along with awardhosting.com?

And what about those people who want to move their domains somewhere else, and find that their domains are registered by "admin@speedyserver.net"? Technically, they are now your clients, and you should be able to get their records changed so that they can move.

that is what i want to know too. will they really honor the pricing and features we had with truehosting? burstnet is wack-o with their high prices and mini-features.

im so pissed off. my cgi-bin was completely deleted and some other directories too. wtf! :mad:

my site isnt that important, but i know truehosting must have had some business sites who are now hurting over this whole thing (if their files were deleted like mine, and their sites have been down off and on like mine too).

one thing i want to know though, why did this all happen? no rumors people, i want to know the facts. alabanza had emailed me telling me they wouldnt kick them off, did they lie to me? or was it because truehosting couldnt afford ala's prices anymore? or was it that truehosting just abondoned ship because of all this heat?

damn burstnet still hasnt replied to my questions and complaints... i guess i went from one host who had great service with crap for support to a host with crap service and support. argh! this totally sucks. :(

oh yeah, i think i forgot to mention this in my last post. burstnet's control panel sucks too!

i was just looking around it a minute ago and nothing works in there. everything is under construction... or just doesn't work.

also, where am i supposed to check how much space im using up? there are no stats whatsoever! i don't even know the proper paths for my directories... :(

when will burstnet email all the truehosting clients with more information and mainly information on how to use all this new stuff. most of the stuff in this control panel is new to me... *sobs some more*

If any of you would like to get your old control panel back, and receive the support that you deserve please take a moment and check out http://jrc-hosting.com. We are on the Alabanza network and can provide you with a server that is not over loaded or over sold. We also offer a unique start up program which will allow you to set up your site and receive service for one month. If after that month you would like to stay with us, you just pay your bill. If you are not happy you are free to move to any server you like and you will not owe us a thing. If you would like to see some of our reviews please follow this link http://www.hostsearch.com/showcomment.asp?Companycode=57. We also offer these services at a very reasonable price, and also provide domain name registration for $50.00 for 2 years, and it will be registered in your name. If anyone would like references please feel free to contact the good people who left reviews with host search. And if you would like to see a list of domains that we have registered please contact domains@jrc-hosting.com. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain we are just here to get honest pay for a honest days work. I understand what allot of you have been going through and have been talking to Annette within the last couple of weeks behind the scene. I would be more than happy to help any one who wants it. I hope this is not considered Spam, I am sure you will let me know if it is.


Thank You
JRC Systems http://jrc-hosting.com
1-877-429-8867

Go away you web host vulcher!
Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam
No One Asked for a new host if they did then you can answer!

Dave, uhmmm... I think that was a little bit out of place, unfortunately.

There is always the other 'Special Offers' forum available......

actually i dont believe that post was out of place. many of truehostings past clients will be searching for places to move to (sorry burstnet, you just arent cutting it for me). i for one am already searching, and moving to a familiar setting is what i want. since i am familiar with the alabanza control panel, i am searching for hosts using their software.

thank you dave for that post, i am checking out your site right now! i still havent found a host out there that is with alabanza that provides 300mb for $20 a month nor with a cool reseller program where each resold domain (with 300mb) is only $5 a month like it was at truehosting. too bad because i was about to become a reseller for them too. :(

To the post above this by "?"

You will never find a deal like that i'm sorry to say. "weasleboy" was never really intouch with reality on that end of the line, but that could have been the fact of all of the credit card fraud he commited.

Anyhow back to the point at hand.

If you want to get a list of companies that use Alabanza try emamiling Alabanza direct they might give you a list or start a seperate thread. But reselling 300meg for 5dolars a month is well quite laughable. Granted hard drive meggage is down to 2cents a meg the bandwith is still 2-4 dollars a gig so I guess that resold acct has 300meg and 1.5 to 2gig bandwith hu?

Daniel

Contact me and we can talk about that, I have just signed up 3 accounts from that message. I am very sorry if I upset any one I was responding to the guy saying that his control panel sucked. I will not happen again.

To ?,

Actually, below10host.com (http://www.below10host.com) is a reseller for Alabanza. They have 300mg deals for $20/month, but not sure about reselling. Check them out.

I have a site on them and have had zilch trouble with them.

So, how interesting is this? Go to http://www.truehosting.com. Blah, blah, blah, Burst bought TH's clients. Now scroll to the bottom. Click to go to the TH site. Click to order. Still not a secure form, still just an email form that now goes to orders@burst.net. Click through the order form - no validation. Congrats. Contact Burst for support. Blah, blah, blah.

Now, why is it that Burst is keeping that page up? Why is it that people are not referred to order from Burst? Why is there a link to the old TH site? Inquiring minds want to know: did Burst buy TH or not?

Blooming hell.....

C'mon, come clean Burst. Did you buy them out or not?

Originally posted by Annette:
So, how interesting is this? Go to http://www.truehosting.com. Blah, blah, blah, Burst bought TH's clients. Now scroll to the bottom. Click to go to the TH site. Click to order. Still not a secure form, still just an email form that now goes to orders@burst.net. Click through the order form - no validation. Congrats. Contact Burst for support. Blah, blah, blah.

Now, why is it that Burst is keeping that page up? Why is it that people are not referred to order from Burst? Why is there a link to the old TH site? Inquiring minds want to know: did Burst buy TH or not?

Check that again I looked it said sales@truehosting.com. Also the True hosting site runs better than the burstnet site as a matter of fact it runs like it did at Alabanza. I wonder.

Has it occured to anyone that TH would have made money from selling their clients to BN? Therefore, Davey walks aways with a nice bundle of cash in his pocket, and never has to think about all the grief he's caused you in the past. Basically, he wins......

PS Someone said they had his details (no. etc). How about posting them here?

He'd better use that money to hire a damned good barrister.

SON OF A *** BITCH ! ! ! ***

I just received a pair of notices from BURSTnet addressed to "True Hosting Customer."

I TOLD you! Peter sold BurstNet all his dead accounts.

See my post in the other thread about keeping the dead accounts to inflate the value of his business. He just took BurstNet, and good. Does no one listen to me?

I hope they send someone to his house to discuss this with him.

That's 23 Bedford, St. Neots, Cambridge PE191AX England.


-- Joey the Saint

Wait a minute, Davey/Weaselboy does NOT win. He may have gotten away with some money, but he'll be an ass for life.

WE win. :)

Plus maybe he'll suffer a heart attack at an early age from all the stress caused by being an ass to so many people.

TH did not sell us dead accounts.
The final account total has not been concluded yet.
We are just contacting the list of accounts in TH's database, so we can see what accounts are still active, and which ones are invalid.

Regards,
Sean R.
BurstNET®
Online Rep


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To place an order, or for more info, contact;
BurstNET Technologies, Inc.® (http://www.burst.net)
1-877-BURSTNET - (570) 389-1100
sales@burst.net --- http://www.burst.net
P.O. Box #400 Bloomsburg, Pa 17815-0400 USA
The Best Value For Your Dollar On The Net!

Really?

Becasue from the looks of this email, it certainly appears that your team got the wet end of the plunger.

Why did you send this to me, if you have "compiled a database of ex-TH clients," as you claim in the second paragraph?

> BurstNET® apologizes for the delay in
> releasing this notice, however
> it has taken a week to compile a
> database of all ex-TH clients' contact
> information, for such was not
> supplied directly from True Hosting.

Further, I just called your support line, and was told to send a cancellation notice!!
WTF?

-- J.

======

Important Announcement:

As of May 9th 2000, True Hosting web-hosting clients, and the
truehosting.com domain name,
have been sold to BurstNET Technologies, Inc.®, a US based Internet Service
Provider.BurstNET®, (http://www.burst.net), a world-wide leader in web hosting
and internet solutions,
will be providing service to all current True Hosting clientele.

BurstNET® apologizes for the delay in releasing this notice, however
it has taken a week to compile a
database of all ex-TH clients' contact information, for such was not
supplied directly from True Hosting.

Attn: Current True Hosting Clientele:
BurstNET® has intentions of honoring pricing/features* in place on accounts
ofcurrent True Hosting clientele, as well as adding new features and services.
BurstNET® is pledged to provide complete customer satisfaction to all
current True Hosting clientele.

BurstNET® IS NOT responsible for True Hosting debts or past support issues.

* Unlimited Bandwidth may not be allowed, this is still being determined/reviewed.

Technical Information:

1) "Menus" are no longer available. This has been replaced with a web
browser control panel.Access your control panel via:http://yourname.com/cpanel/
orhttp://Your-IP-Here/cpanel/

2) To find the current IP address of your account, go here: http://www.burst.net/cgi-sys/nslookup.pl

3) Your domain names (.com .net & .org only) are being applied for transfer
to BurstNET® name servers, if we are able to do such.

You may want to do such yourself, if your registrar requires a username
and password, or you are not registered with Network Solutions.

If such is the case, please use :DNS.BURST.NET 216.10.3.200
DNS1.BURST.NET 216.10.2.2
Tech Contact: SMA28

Resellers have the option of using the anonymous name servers:

NS1.HOSTNOC.NET 216.10.3.225
NS2.HOSTNOC.NET 216.10.2.200

Important:

All foreign domain name accounts WILL NEED to update their name servers
attheir foreign registrar.

If the registrar is not able to transfer such to the chosen set of name
servers above, please contact
nic@burst.net with the errors, and it will be corrected, and you may
re-submit the transfer cleanly.

truehosting.com and speedyserver.net name servers will continue working
until this process is completed.

4) SMTP access for your domain is used via: mail.yourname.com

5) Your files have all been transferred to your new server/website.

Verify your links, cgi, and html is functioning properly.

6) Important paths:

Sendmail: /usr/sbin/sendmail

Perl: usr/sbin/perlHome Directory: /home/username

HTML: /home/username/public_html/CGI-BIN: /home/username/public_html/cgi-bin/

7) Your email is defaulting to the "catch-all" email address box for your account.
This is the same name as your "username". Example: username.yourname.com

This username is used for the Cpanel, FTP, and Telnet access.

Enter your Cpanel to add POP accounts, Forwarders, etc etc etc....

8) If you do not know your username or password, you may contact
support@burst.net

9) BurstNET® will be requiring you to confirm your account(s) and billing
information via a web based form.
Please stand by for another email regarding how to proceed with such.
You can also cancel your account(s) via the same form if necessary.

10) The BurstNET® manual is found at: http://www.burst.net/manual/

11) Please email support@burst.net if your require MS FrontPage extensions
installed on your account(s)

Resellers:
Please stand by for important information regarding how to continue
reselling BurstNET® services.

Many new features and options will be adding on top of the True Hosting
reseller program, including:
Nation-Wide Dialup Access
Merchant Services
Real Time Processing
Branded Control Panel
Anonymous Support Services
Branded Support Services
Dedicated Servers
Co-Location Services
Domain Registration
DSL Connectivity
Windows NT Hosting

Resellers may need to update the IP addresses of their virtual name servers.

Please stand by for further information regarding such.

Any questions, or support inquiries, may be directed to BurstNET® via
email to:

support@burst.net

BurstNET Technologies, Inc.®
Bloomsburg, PA USA

====

Originally posted by BurstNET:
TH did not sell us dead accounts.
The final account total has not been concluded yet.
We are just contacting the list of accounts in TH's database, so we can see what accounts are still active, and which ones are invalid.

Regards,
Sean R.
BurstNET®
Online Rep




Isn't it strange BurstNET is avoiding the hard questions, and answering the "easy" ones with two or three sentence responses?

READ ALL ABOUT IT READ ALL ABOUT

truehosting.com buys our burst.net lol or he has been taken on as staff.

Just as a BTW: If Burst have also bought the truehosting.com domain name, as they say they have in that email, why is it that the domain records still reflect Peter as the owner? Follow along closely: If they've bought the clients and the name, they have been in contact with weaselboy. If they've been in contact with him, why is it that a couple of want-to-be ex-clients cannot get Burst to use that contact with weaselboy to get their domains changed to reflect them as the owners, as it should have been in the first place? These people are already screwed over, since they've paid for hosting through weaselboy, and paid the reg fee for names they can't even use. It disgusts me.

One more thing: I note that Burst indicate in their email that they are not responsible for TH's "debts and previous support issues". However, when you take over another company (which in this case, when you're taking over the customer base and the domain name, which means basically taking over the company, such as it is) you generally also take over that company's debts and liabilities. Better make sure you covered your ass well, Burst. Even if you have covered yourself, you can bet that people will remember that you were the ones who got into bed with weaselboy. When you sleep with the enemy, you become all that they are.

[This message has been edited by Annette (edited 05-19-2000).]

And don't forget that you're &@#* 'ing everyone that they've &@#* 'ed.

Practice safe business. Just say no.

You folks are completely out of line.
Direct your attitude to those that deserve it, NOT an honest company, providing legitimate service.
Do not comment on that which you know nothing about, I can assue you, your assumptions are incorrect.
You may have legitimate claims against TH, and the owners, of that company. If so, contact that company. BurstNET® IS NOT that company. BurstNET® IS NOT running the True Hosting company. These accounts are being converted to be BurstNET® clients/resellers.
BurstNET® is providing service to these accounts from 5/9/2000 forward...Nothing more, nothing less. BurstNET® has purchased the truehosting.com domain name and site design(We have not had time to transfer ownership yet..).
True Hosting itself as a company, may or may not still exist, we have no knowledge about such. That is none of our business really.

To clarify:
BurstNET® DID NOT buy True Hosting.
BurstNET® DID NOT hire Peter.
BurstNET® IS NOT working w/True Hosting.

Be happy TH is gone, and move on with your lives people.


Sean R.
BurstNET®
Online Rep


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To place an order, or for more info, contact;
BurstNET Technologies, Inc.® (http://www.burst.net)
1-877-BURSTNET - (570) 389-1100
sales@burst.net --- http://www.burst.net
P.O. Box #400 Bloomsburg, Pa 17815-0400 USA
The Best Value For Your Dollar On The Net!

Sounds to me like someone got screwed (i.e. burstnet) and now wants to take it out on others. Nice attitude as a rep of the company - man, I'm rushing out to sign up!

This would be funny if it weren't also pathetic.

Let's point out something for you: Burst said "As of May 9th 2000, True Hosting web-hosting clients, and the truehosting.com domain name, have been sold to Burst..blah blah blah." Now, TH owns no servers. The ONLY thing that makes TH a company is a) the domain name and b) the customers. You have purchased both, and thus, you HAVE purchased TH.

You're taking crap for this because you knew about TH and you went ahead anyway. Your snotty latest message is simply another reason to be suspect of everything surrounding this - and one more reason to heed some of the reviews that are out there about Burst. Your excuse about "not getting the domain name" transferred reeks of Peter's same claim that he was no longer involved and "Davey" was now the top guy, but it was just taking too long to transfer the domain name. At a minimum, at least the contact information could be changed, even if the registrant name wasn't.

If you've purchased the list and the domain name, you MUST be in contact with Peter. If you are in contact with Peter, why are you not requesting that he release domain names that obviously do not belong to him? You say you have compiled the list - can you not see that there are domains on that list registered by him that do not belong to him? Have you asked him about it? If not, why not? Since you have assumed all of his clients, you have also assumed the fiduciary responsibility that goes along with it.

It appears that despite your claims, you really have about as much concern about this situation as Peter did: not much. Don't be surprised to see people not recommend you as a host because of your association with TH. Don't bitch to us because we have the nerve to question the activity surrounding this fiasco. You should have thought about that before your little tete-a-tete with Peter.

Congratulations. You made your choice. Now you get to live with the consequences.

Hold on a second Annette. While I know that you had a beef with TrueHosting and its owner, let's not go overboard.

"The ONLY thing that makes TH a company is a) the domain name and b) the customers. You have purchased both, and thus, you HAVE purchased TH..."

No, they purchased the domain and the client base (as stated in that letter that was posted). What makes you think that this means they bought the company? If you have ever set up a company, then you know what is involved. The company TrueHosting, owns the domain (which was sold). The company TrueHosting had a client base, which was bought.

This is NOT the same thing as buying a company and assuming its debts. Sorry, but you are right often, but this isn't one of those times.

Well hello there..

I've been following this ongoing discussion with lots of interest, since I am still wondering who to pick as a good hosting company.
Well when BurstNet was one of my thought b4 I can just say that I am going in line with the "customers" here.
It is in my eyes unbelievable what kind of an attitude this online rep from Burst is getting!! Look...you are the company that wants to have satisfied customers..if they get pissed..so what..**** happens..and you get across that in every job those days.
You should have learned that all you need to do is smile..say yes..and kiss ass.....
otherwise soon there won't be no customers anymore..it has always been like that..and with the growing of the internet cultute more and more it is neccessary to have great support. HOW DO THEY SAY!!??
" THE CUSTOMER IS THE KING "
Well let's get the facts straight again..
Annette is 100% right..even though you didn't really buy the company the way you put it..WHAT IS LEFT FROM TH???
You bought the customers and you bought the domain..but still can't get the problems fixed!! You were in contact with this guy made deals with him. (DID YOU KNOW HOW CROOKED THE PERSON WAS YOU WERE DEALING WITH??)
You dealt with the "devil" and now you might have to go through hell also... but in my opinion you should finally get all the things that are going on straight with the customers if you still wanna be standing there as a reliable partner to make deals with. Or do you think people wanna be associated with people like Peter???
Well well well.......I keep following this!!

Hmm. Not exactly - and I think it's a bit of a weird concept to understand wrt hosting companies specifically. What makes a hosting company what it is, when they own no equipment? The name and the customer base - that's it, since there are no tangible things to point to. I have set up a company (a hosting company, as it happens). I know that my business exists only as a product of the name and the client base. If those factors are gone, so is the company.

So let's use TH as an example. We all agree that despite Peter's claims, he does not own any servers. So his business is comprised, essentially, of the name and the customers that he has. Peter finds himself in some serious crap, and decides to sell out. Burst says they'll take the customers and the name. So what exactly is left? Nothing, except perhaps a registration in the UK, which he only made a couple of months ago anyway.


In this state, there are laws pertaining to this type of activity. It's to avoid having companies sell off their assets and then avoid dealing with whatever problems the company may have had. When one company purchases enough of the assets of another, they will also have to deal with the baggage that goes with it, including the debts, because they have, in essence, purchased the company. A bit like the IRS rules regarding independent contractors - if you get over a certain amount of your income from one company, you are essentially their employee, and certain rules apply.

Perhaps I am wrong in this instance, in a legal sense, as the difference in laws between the UK and wherever Burst is might not afford any recourse to customers. However, in essence, Burst have bought TH - and popular opinion will remeber that, no matter how many testy posts Burst put up. Unless one thinks that Peter/"Davey"/whoever will simply open up under the name True Hosting again. Even in my wildest moments, I cannot imagine Burst would agree to that.

The rest of my post stands. Burst has a certain responsibility to the customers they bought from TH. They have made no move to get the domain record changed, although it is perfectly within their power to do so - at least to the extent of putting some valid information in there. They've received their share of poor reviews, for a variety of reasons (and I note that their site is still down at the time of this post), and this issue will likely generate more.

It was Burst's choice to deal with TH, and it is now their responsibility to deal with that decision.

BTW - Burst ought to get their story straight. On the TH site, it says this:

"Important Announcement:
As of May 9th 2000, True Hosting has been sold to BurstNET Technologies, Inc., a US based Internet Service Provider."

Sounds like the buying of another company to me.

Burst (Sean) says awardhosting.com has been disabled, and that people should point out any other examples like it. That site is still up at this time, as is webhostingspecials.com, another one just like it, which several people have pointed out.

A bit more consistency in your story might lend credibility to your position.

Paul,

1) We agree with you 100%. Please realize though that most people trying to abuse us are not even our clients. We are very calm when a legitimate support inquiry/contact is made. We have done nothing to these individuals, and they are just venting their anger against an innocent company.

2) Your domain name is not in our database, no worries there. Once again, we cannot control what TH does with your past data/info, we can only assure you that BurstNET will not be billing you, nor contacting you further.

Regards,
Sean R.
BurstNET
Online Rep


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To place an order, or for more info, contact;
BurstNET Technologies, Inc.® (http://www.burst.net)
1-877-BURSTNET - (570) 389-1100
sales@burst.net --- http://www.burst.net
P.O. Box #400 Bloomsburg, Pa 17815-0400 USA
The Best Value For Your Dollar On The Net!

Originally posted by BurstNET:
TH did not sell us dead accounts.
The final account total has not been concluded yet.
We are just contacting the list of accounts in TH's database, so we can see what accounts are still active, and which ones are invalid.

Regards,
Sean R.
BurstNET®
Online Rep



You jack-ass, how are any of us supposed to buy that!? You bought out TH, when you have NO IDEA how many accounts you were or were not buying!? Aren't you the moron's that told me how you were hosting them, yet now you've bought them. You said you bought TH, and then say you didn't buy TH, just the clients. You bought the clients, yet you have no idea how many are even valid!? You tell me that TH has more client's than I think, when I told you exactly the number they have, and that many of the first 50 or so I checked were either not on TH any longer, or they never were.
Finally, it takes all of about 2 minutes to code a script that will check the validity of every one of those domains to be able to see. You expect us to believe you bought out client's, when you have no idea how many there are!? Tell you what, I'll code said script and email every single one of these current client's and tell them what's going on. Burst.net is pathetic, go to www.technogirl.net (http://www.technogirl.net) and click on the TH info, then go to the discussion board and see that I posted all of your contradictory news group posting's your company submitted to alt.www.webmaster and how I covered all these issues. It's blatantly obvious that you're up to something.

The TH domain record is still not updated from TH's fraudulent information. You try and justify that by saying you bought just the client's, of which you have no idea how many are valid or not. You're making it evident that I was accurate in my assumptions and claims in regard to his entire situation and the deceit both Burst and TH are guilty of. You act like you're here to save the client's, when you're only contributing to these wrongful acts.

No Regards,
Tim Greer

Originally posted by BurstNET:
You folks are completely out of line.
Direct your attitude to those that deserve it, NOT an honest company, providing legitimate service.
Do not comment on that which you know nothing about, I can assue you, your assumptions are incorrect.
You may have legitimate claims against TH, and the owners, of that company. If so, contact that company. BurstNET® IS NOT that company. BurstNET® IS NOT running the True Hosting company. These accounts are being converted to be BurstNET® clients/resellers.
BurstNET® is providing service to these accounts from 5/9/2000 forward...Nothing more, nothing less. BurstNET® has purchased the truehosting.com domain name and site design(We have not had time to transfer ownership yet..).
True Hosting itself as a company, may or may not still exist, we have no knowledge about such. That is none of our business really.

To clarify:
BurstNET® DID NOT buy True Hosting.
BurstNET® DID NOT hire Peter.
BurstNET® IS NOT working w/True Hosting.

Be happy TH is gone, and move on with your lives people.


Sean R.
BurstNET®
Online Rep



Every one of your rants has been covered and proves you're committing wrongful acts. I will make mention of ONE thing, you unqualified goof ball, and that is to claim you didn't have time to update one domain record over 4 weeks time (or more), is ridiculous! It takes no more than 1 minute flat! Finally, and again, saying you bought the domain and not the company is foolish and the simple fact that you say all of this, yet you had (and still have) no idea how many customer's were on said service. Who'd buy a client list, when they have no idea how any clients are on said list. How can you possibly know the value? You're obviously as foolish as we assume.

Oh, sure, we're _really_ out of lien for that! I told you that it will be proven when you fail to update the domain records when this issue first came up. I further told you that you'll lose current customer's from this act of yours, which you have, and many of them were people that are actively referring people to your poor excuse for a service. You fail to make a valid argument. This is all you need to do, is give a rational explanation, why is that so difficult?

That is the reaction of someone that has something to hide. These are not things that will take long to explain, nor are they something you'd have any reason to not say. In fact, that's the point. You act just like truehosting did/does, because you side-step the issues that are so simple to understand, explain and justify, by just avoiding it. That's not going to convince anyone. We're not unreasonable people, we're aware and suspicious and rightfully so. If you were honest as you claim you are, you'd have WANTED to explain the reasons and situation right off and no one would have assumed one bad thing about your company.

Since you are so unwilling and prefer to just claim we're unreasonable for not believing your reasons, when you've never given any that are true, you should know that saying we're out of line, is ludicrous! it's far too easy for some jack-ass to be so arrogant and deceitful, and just say that we're out of line when we question the obvious! Try simply explaining and making SENSE! Thus far, you've failed to even provide us with any reason to believe even the simple, trivial and irrelevant, small issues.. not to mention the big issue(s) at hand. You're not too bright. Expect us to believe your weak and contradictive story, all without a reason in the world to believe it. We didn't go out with a mission to discredit you, but you are doing that to yourself.

What I'm saying is; No one had a reason to question your company's intentions, motives or character. You are the sole reason for anyone assuming you are guilty of such negative and wrongful acts. In fact, you prove it to all be true. Why do you do that, if you're going to bother wasting your time trying to defend your own bogus stories? Sounds like a Truehosting type of personality to me, undoubtedly. This isn't about a good, honest company buying out TH's client's in order to save them, this is about you teaming up with TH and lying about the whole event. This is all very evident based on the situation, events and your statements.

No regards,
TIm Greer

Originally posted by Annette:
BTW - Burst ought to get their story straight. On the TH site, it says this:

"Important Announcement:
As of May 9th 2000, True Hosting has been sold to BurstNET Technologies, Inc., a US based Internet Service Provider."

Sounds like the buying of another company to me.

Burst (Sean) says awardhosting.com has been disabled, and that people should point out any other examples like it. That site is still up at this time, as is webhostingspecials.com, another one just like it, which several people have pointed out.

A bit more consistency in your story might lend credibility to your position.


Burst seems to excel at contradicting themselves. They're stated that they bought "True Hosting", NOT "truehosting.com" (the domain). They would sure to be clear about that if they had.

In regard to the responsibility issues and legalities, it's hard to say anyway, because no matter the laws in the UK and the US both, the laws don't always apply on the Internet -- which is why TH/Peter isn't in prison at this very moment. Basically, I would guess that as in real-time, you can sign an agreement about liability issues to have any past events before the buy out, be the liability of past owner.

In fact, that's all it is. That shows they aren't liable (if that is the case, which I doubt they signed such an agreement anyway, so it's NOT the case!) unless it's a new event after the buy out. No matter, it shows they don't care. I don't buy this still and it's evident that my assumption is valid. In other words, my point here is proven, because said user's signed up with Th and were supposed to get the services/feature's outlined in TH's hosting plans, yet Burst isn't liable for anything TH promised. How's that a legit buy out? Sounds like a trap to me. I mean, they buy them out and then not give them the services -- because they aren't liable for TH/Peter's promises. So, what's the point? In other words, they are STILL the client of TH/Peter, and Burst just hopes that these client's think they are obligated to sign on with Burst after their current TH contract ends. Not to mention, trying to claim they'll be better off now.

Burst was trying to defend TH in the news group the night before and said nothing about a buy out (nor did they ever), until I SAID it myself (that it is the only way these client's would be better off and not be victims of Peter -- and how Burst couldn't justify hosting them and attacking people that were in protest to TH being allowed to continue their criminal acts).
This accounts for this completely ******** and weak excuse by Burst, their story and lies. Like I said, even if it was true, Burst is up to no good, because when it comes down to it, Burst will claim they aren't liable/responsible to give ANY hosting services, because that was their contract with TH and NOT Burst. Therefore, they don't have to provide ANY services and aren't legally liable. What a great scam! I'm beginning to see their logic here, even if it's wrong. Look at what Burst said in this thread on this board -- it's true what I've just said and Burst can't deny it... they said it themselves. basically, they tried to trap/trick the current TH clients! Talk about a desperate move by a hosting company, they must be REALLY hurting for cash... which means when this TH fiasco falls through and doesn't work out to their advantage, and it WILL, then they'll be harming said client's anyway, when the Burst company goes under.

Case in point, if Burst bought out Th and it's clients, yet they hold no responsibility or liability, then technically, these clients aren't Burst's clients and are STILL the client of TH (the company they signed up with) and Peter. This can't be argued, just try to argue that point Burst, I dare you! These client's, (although Burst supposedly bought out the domain, design (why the design? And the scripts on said site are in violation of copyrights, by the way!), and the clients of which they still have no idea how many there actually are) are NOT Burst's clients, unless or UNTIL they SPECIFICALLY sign up with Burst! he fact that Burst refuses to accept any liability for any actions or any client's TH had, means they are STILL Peter's victim's and Burst can't and won't help them! This is proven by Burst's own claims/statements.

So, let's see... Not only did Burst pay money for a list of an unknown number client's, but they aren't even their clients! I can only conclude, that if this buy-out is legit, that Burst bought these client's for a very small amount (I mean, VERY SMALL AMOUNT) and hopes to profit off of it by claiming these user's are THEIR client's NOW, so that they DO sign up with BURST. Basically, be stuck with them now, and the only way said user's will supposedly GET the services outlines, is to sign up with Burst, or otherwise they can't expect anything yet, because they really AREN'T on BUST's services, as Burst really isn't "responsible": or liable to provide said services. Pretty sweet scam. Hello "Child of Truehosting". Sleep with pigs, become one, think like one, lose like one.

One last note, I can tell all these user's personally, that you're wrong to think that these 2,000 client's of TH are going to be finally better off. Also, to the one's saying Burst was providing poor services as of late an this addition of 2,000 said client's will make it worse... Don't worry, it won't. There are NOT 2,000 client's. There are (from memory) about 1,927 (close enough though), but _most_ of these client's listed are either no longer on TH and haven't been for some time, or never were. very few actually are.

This is why Burst's claim about buying a list of client's that they have no idea how many are actually true client's, is so ridiculous to assume we'd believe. Apparently we're to believe Burst bought a list of client's from TH, yet had no idea how many client's there were (and they still don't know). Yes, this _is_ pathetic. Burst.net = Child of Truehosting.

Regards,
Tim Greer

[This message has been edited by Tim Greer (edited 05-22-2000).]

"That's not going to convince anyone. We're not unreasonable people, we're aware and suspicious and rightfully so. If you were honest as you claim you are, you'd have
WANTED to explain the reasons and situation right off and no one would have assumed one bad thing
about your company."

Our business dealings and terms of the purchase are none of your business, and they will never be made public knowledge.
You accused us of untrue things, and we found it necessary to defend our reputation.
Plain and simple that is all their is to it.
You have wrongfully turned your aggression, that may be rightfully vented against True Hosting, against our firm. Some may call this slander...some of the things you have said. Some of you have even gone as far as to accuse Peter of "being" BurstNET. If you had bothered to look into your arguement whatsoever, you would have found BurstNET was founded in 1991, while Peter was still in diapers.
Please stop wasting our time with this ridiculous non-sense, and worry about your own affairs. Unless you have first hand knowledge of actual facts of the sale, you have no grounds to accuse us of anything.

BurstNET always has been, and always will be, a legitimate and honest hosting company.

Sean R.
BurstNET
Online Rep


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Why not Sean?

I understand the company has a prerogative not to release its financial dealings, but the old TH clients have every right to know what is going on (especially after LOSING money), and I sympathize with them. Being brutally honest about your negotiations with Peter would at the very least imply an act of faith for affected TH customers and start repairing some of the damage already caused.

Unfortunately your vague and inconsistent answers have only added fuel to the fire. I'm sorry, but I've completely lost faith.

[This message has been edited by BC (edited 05-22-2000).]

Originally posted by BurstNET:
"That's not going to convince anyone. We're not unreasonable people, we're aware and suspicious and rightfully so. If you were honest as you claim you are, you'd have
WANTED to explain the reasons and situation right off and no one would have assumed one bad thing
about your company."

Our business dealings and terms of the purchase are none of your business, and they will never be made public knowledge.

I didn't ask about the "business dealing's", nor any private/inside information. Read what I said. The fact that you stated that you purchased "True Hosting" and didn't state the "truehosting.com" domain, and then change your story is the sort of thing I'm talking about.

The fact that you said that they weren't hosted by you, yet you have them listed on your client's list. The fact that you, up until the very night I stated the only solution would be to buy them out (for other reasons, not your poor reasons), you had and were trying to defend hosting them. So, you _did_ host them, even if you allegedly bought them out. Why did you say you never hosted them and were only buying their client's out? THIS is the sort of thing I'm talking about, you oaf! Get a clue. You act EXACTLY like TH/Peter and everyone that's been following this cap for over a year now, knows you do, which accounts for so much suspicions.

You can't explain why the domain hasn't been transferred into your company's information. You use the excuse that you haven't had time? Haven't had time to change a record that would take all of ONE minute flat to change, so you could show good faith in this deal to these many alleged client's you bought!?

The fact that, as this has been pointed out previously, (so I didn't bother); Truehosting.com has the same exact information, nothing's changed. Why wouldn't you point the order form to your own? Why not a secure one? Why not get rid of the CGI scripts running on the truehosting.com domain/web site that are in violation of copyright laws? Why do you assume that when we ask these type of questions, that we're asking for any private or business information? All we want, is proof that the domain isn't Peter's anymore. That's not only reasonable, but it makes sense. Why would you deny us that, and why would you continue to tarnish your company's reputation, simply because you're so stubborn and arrogant to everyone, by not even explaining these simple things?

Why, oh why, do you not just point the truehosting.com domain to a page with information and point them to Burst only? Why would you put a notice on TH's main page, and then put a link to the TH site? Why are you making all the real client's on the TH DNS manually change their domain records? What is the point to that? Why not simply change the information for said DNS servers, since they are yours?

Why don't you have any idea whatsoever, of the number of client's you bought? Why do you think we wouldn't question that obvious flaw in your story, especially in this situation, since there is nothing at all that is evidence that you did buy them out. Still though, it's stupid to say that you bought a list of client's, when you can't make them stay and you have NO idea how many there are. How can you value something like that? Did you just take Peter's word for it, or what? Are you getting so hostile with us and acting so irrational about these legit questions, based on your aggression you need to take out because you're a sucker and Peter pulled a fast one on you?

You accused us of untrue things,

I didn't accuse you of anything that wasn't proven with my own statements that are undeniably evident by your own words. Why are you so unwilling to prove us wrong? We'd all be happy and this would all be over with! Just like Peter, you too decide that you're rather act like an arrogant jerk, than just take the simple, rational and sane route and just explain these small things out of respect and "concern" for everyone involved, so this is all over. No, you'd rather argue it and act like we're challenging you and you think you will prove yourself weak or us right about you if you do.

I can tell, Peter did it too, even if he could have reasoned out some things by explaining them and lessen the hassles, he was just as egotistical as you are. You don't understand any more than he did, that if you're honest and haven't done anything wrong, it will only help and it genuinely will end this problem. Like I said prior, a person would only act in such a way if they had something to hide, were a liar (i.e., you really aren't honest or care about this situation or the clients involved) or are just a complete jerk. Needless to say, it's at least the latter (arrogant jerk) and lying about caring.

and we found it necessary to defend our reputation.

Why didn't you then? You haven't posed any reason or excuse or proof for anything. How exactly is that a means of "defending yourself"? I can understand the need or desire to when faced with accusations, but it's usually wise to counter the accusations with rational explanations about how and why the people are wrong. None of those "explanations" would have made you say anything that is private business dealings or the like. Simply put, we've proven your wrongful acts, why it's reasonable to assume these things, and you have yet to show anyone here why they should believe otherwise. Believe it or not, we would like to see that, because we would feel justified to drop this issue. Obviously you're dim-witted enough to assume we _want_ to deal with this. Nay, we -_want_- this sort of thing to stop. We have good reason to believe you are up to no good, so it continues. We would all like very much to know we can let it go and that you are not going to screw people over. I/we all await for you to show us that. Show me and I'll apologize, retract all my assumptions and move on, as will we all -- provided you prove you're not ripping people off or scamming people.

Plain and simple that is all their is to it.

Assuming you had done what you claim was your intention/action, then that would be simple. The fact that you never ddi any such thing, makes it evident that you're acting no better then Peter.

You have wrongfully turned your aggression, that may be rightfully vented against True Hosting, against our firm.

Prove I'm wrong. Prove I'm being aggressive. I think you're lying, I think you're up to something, I think you're no different from Peter. I think a lot of things based on what you've said yourself. This is not aggression, it's awareness and observation. I'm directing my questions, doubt, etc. to YOU, not TH. I am questioning YOUR company's motive, intentions and claims. This has _nothing_ to do with Peter, this has to do with YOUR company. It's what YOU are doing, saying and how you're acting that people are having the problem with, not TH. We already know about Peter. This is about Burst and what Burst has done and continues to do, and how Burst appears to be up to no good, lying, deceiving many people and won't bother to explain one damn thing -- which accounts for you looking so guilty... which no one doubt's is true.

Some may call this slander...some of the things you have said.

And "some" may point out to you, jut as it's been pointed out multiple time to "Peter", that it's referred to as "libel", it's impossible to "slander" someone via the Internet through written acc

Geez, Tim. Guess you had your caffeine, eh?

Anyhow, I see that Burst has now changed the TH site to reflect that they have bought the accounts, instead of saying that they have bought TH. Kind of reminds me of when I (we) would blow apart the claims Peter made on his site and then see that he had run off and changed them. Funny stuff.

Also, I presume that we can all now agree that Peter was the only one ever associated with TH? For instance, I don't see Burst mentioning "Davey" at all through any of this, nor is there any mention of "Vector Enterprises", the infamous company who bought TH first and was going to open an office in New Orleans, according to "Bradley Goodman".

Sean - no one has asked for details regarding the terms of the sale. Personally, I think you got ripped off no matter what price you paid. But you cannot and should not react so snippily to people who are questioning the activity surrounding TH - it serves no purpose except to damage your own company's name. You further the damage by not reasonably addressing the issues that people are raising, and it makes this whole thing look like a scam.

No one has said Peter=Burst in any manner other than as a joke. If you can't see the sarcasm there, that's your problem.

And just wait until Peter tells you he's going to sue you by suggesting that he was in diapers in 1991... then I can add you to the list of all of the rest of us who have been similarly threatened. (BTW, in case this escapes you, that's a joke, too - the first part of it, anyway.)

To Sean or any other rep from BurstNET(R):

1) I think when your job is to deal with the complaints of customers you have to be real calm even when the customer is not (and usually customers are irate for a very good reason). Otherwise you just end up in a shouting match with your customer. I don't think your responses to the concerns of people here have been very calm.

2) I am the owner of RubyBeach.com, formerly hosted with (shudder) True Hosting. I cancelled with TH in January, but TH refused to acknowledge my cancellation. I don't know if it was by the Grace of God or the Grace of My ISP, but I finally stopped receiving "domain suspension notices" from TH and I want it to stay that way. If you bought the account for RubyBeach.com from TH, you were ripped off. I don't want to get any email from any host but mine (which is not BurstNET) about it, so please make sure your records reflect this.

Regards,
Paul

p.s. I thought Peter *was* in diapers in 1991.

[This message has been edited by paulpelton (edited 05-22-2000).]

Annette,

You seem very level-headed and fair. We followed your posts in many of the forums. You have never attacked BurstNET, nor made assumptions against our character. We do not mind as much inquiries regarding our actions on what is going on, but, when people accuse us of things that are totally unfounded and intended to only hurt our reputation, then these people have gone too far (not you).

Now if you all must know why things look so strange here is a few points for you know:

1) Terms - The deal was based on the # of accounts that are active and remain for a certain period of time. BurstNET did not get "taken" on the sale. We knew a good chunk of accounts are not legit, but a good majority of them are. The sales price is yet to be determined, and will not be determined for 45 more days minimum, when we see cancellations and signups finalized.

2) Transfers - BurstNET has not attempted transfer of clients domain names to BurstNET name servers for several reasons. One being, we don't even know which domains are legit yet (ie..would you want us to transfer your domain name if you were not even currently a TH client?). Another reason is we were working on which accounts were retail accounts, and which were resold accounts (meaning whether or not to set them up with annymous name servers or BurstNET name servers). A third reason is that many TH resellers have their own name servers, and are sorting thru which accounts need be using those.

3) Domain - The domain name truehosting.com has been purchased. BurstNET has not taken any action to have it transferred to our name yet for several reasons. One is that it is a complicated process...requiring notarized signatures from previous owner, and re-registration. Another reason is because we are not sure what we are even doing with the domain name yet - We may transfer all traffic to the burst.net site, we may keep the TH site the same, we may merge the two. This is undecided at this time.

4) Clones - There are several sites that seems "exactly" like TH. Many people feel that some of the TH hosted sites, are actually fronts for Peter starting/running anothre hosting company. this is quite possible, and probably true. However, BursTNET has no way as of yet to determine which ones are such. TH gave permission for resellers to copy their site for reseller usage directoly (BurstNET also allows copying of our site for resellers). What is more confusing is that many of the domain names Th hosted were registered in the name of "Speedy Servers", not the clients. This combined with site look and feel (and smell) of TH's site, makes you think TH owns the new site, BUT, many clients sites that have nothing even to do with web hosting are registered in th "Speedy Servers" name as well. So what it comes down to is a big mess, and we do not want to de-activate an account that we are not sure about.

5) Changing Statements - BurstNET originally released "BurstNET bought TH". This was mis-interpreted, and was a mistake in wording on our part. It was not meant to be scrutenized for the exact wording. When we realized this, we immediately starting changing the wording to "BurstNET bought TH accounts (clients) and domain name"

6) Registrations - BurstNET has done everything possible to assist with people that got taken on their domain registrations. As mentioned aboe, ALOT of the TH clients have their domain regs registered to "Speedy Servers", and not themselves. BurstNET has access to the speedyserver.net/truehosting.com domain name(s). BurstNET does not have access to the True Hosting/Speedy Servers legal names. Therefore, BurstNET can only assist with changing name servers or contacts on your domain registration (which we have been more than helpful with), while BurstNET cannot change the name of the registrant. Such would require the notarized signature from TH/SS, which we of course, cannot provide.

What did I miss?
Any more legitimate concerns/questions?
We will answer any valid questions...however anything we deem as sensitive material...please understand cannot be discussed, nor will direct attacks/rude statements.

And Annette, we do have a sense of humor :-)

Regards,
Sean R.
BurstNET
Online Rep


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Sorry to butt in here, but I'd like to add a few words.

I have dealt with BurstNET over the last few months and have only good things to say about them. They are honest, diligent, and try their best to ensure satisfaction.
However, often people point and accuse them of things that really are not their fault. When this happens, I can see them getting a bit miffed. (Wouldn't you?)

Also, I am sure that BurstNET didn't mean to sound like they bought TH on their site. They didn't realize that this forum has a bunch of great 'lawyers' scrutinizing every syllable spelled out.

All in all, I would say that BurstNET is probably the best host around, and can't seem to find any fault with them.


So please, cut them some slack.

P.S. BurstNET did not ask me to do this :-)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BurstNET:
Annette,

You seem very level-headed and fair. We followed your posts in many of the forums. You have never attacked BurstNET, nor made assumptions against our character. We do not mind as much inquiries regarding our actions on what is going on, but, when people accuse us of things that are totally unfounded and intended to only hurt our reputation, then these people have gone too far (not you).

Well, thanks, for both the compliment and the reply. I don't generally make presumptions about character without a foundation on which to base them. I've not seen anything from Burst that would indicate to me that Burst is other than a decent company (this includes reviews, both good and bad, and postings from Burst - I have, in fact, defended Burst wrt to the yo-yo aspect of the VDI NOC and the problems they seem to be having with Qwest). I do have questions about an otherwise decent company engaging in business deals with companies (or individuals, more accurately) like True Hosting, especially if the former understands the trouble the latter faces. However, I am not the owner of Burst, nor can I make business decisions for them. All I can do is comment on the appearance of such action. My single concern in this matter is TH/Peter, and the trouble that Burst faces getting through the mess he's made.


Now if you all must know why things look so strange here is a few points for you know:

1) Terms - The deal was based on the # of accounts that are active and remain for a certain period of time. BurstNET did not get "taken" on the sale. We knew a good chunk of accounts are not legit, but a good majority of them are. The sales price is yet to be determined, and will not be determined for 45 more days minimum, when we see cancellations and signups finalized.

That is bizarre. It does, however, explain why the domain name record for truehosting.com has not been altered - this is an example of something that you might have mentioned earlier. Remember, rumor is started in the void left by a lack of information.


2) Transfers - BurstNET has not attempted transfer of clients domain names to BurstNET name servers for several reasons. One being, we don't even know which domains are legit yet (ie..would you want us to transfer your domain name if you were not even currently a TH client?). Another reason is we were working on which accounts were retail accounts, and which were resold accounts (meaning whether or not to set them up with annymous name servers or BurstNET name servers). A third reason is that many TH resellers have their own name servers, and are sorting thru which accounts need be using those.

It appears that you are being caught up in Peter's lack of accurate recordkeeping. I feel sorry for you in this regard, truly.


3) Domain - The domain name truehosting.com has been purchased. BurstNET has not taken any action to have it transferred to our name yet for several reasons. One is that it is a complicated process...requiring notarized signatures from previous owner, and re-registration. Another reason is because we are not sure what we are even doing with the domain name yet - We may transfer all traffic to the burst.net site, we may keep the TH site the same, we may merge the two. This is undecided at this time.

See above. My recommendation? Get rid of the TH site (redirecting it to Burst would be appropriate). It adds no value to your operation, and it does not reflect very well on Burst to be associated in this manner with TH, given the volumes of bad news about Peter. The appearance of complicity may very well be enough for people to take a pass on your service.


4) Clones - There are several sites that seems "exactly" like TH. Many people feel that some of the TH hosted sites, are actually fronts for Peter starting/running anothre hosting company. this is quite possible, and probably true. However, BurstNET has no way as of yet to determine which ones are such. TH gave permission for resellers to copy their site for reseller usage directoly (BurstNET also allows copying of our site for resellers). What is more confusing is that many of the domain names Th hosted were registered in the name of "Speedy Servers", not the clients. This combined with site look and feel (and smell) of TH's site, makes you think TH owns the new site, BUT, many clients sites that have nothing even to do with web hosting are registered in th "Speedy Servers" name as well. So what it comes down to is a big mess, and we do not want to de-activate an account that we are not sure about.

I've been around on this issue with Burst already, so I understand this completely. Certain sites, however (awardhosting.com and webhostingspecials.com in particular) do seem to be merely another storefront for TH. Emails to the admins/support of those sites results in zero response - what one would expect from Peter. I have to ask: is it so difficult to get Peter to answer some of these questions? Either those two sites belong to him or they don't. I've run across other sites that do not, in fact, belong to him (though they are registered to him), and believe that those people, should they decide to leave, will be in the same boat as a couple of customers I picked up. That is unfortunate, at best, and it also makes it appear as if Burst has no contact whatsoever with Peter - which seems a peculiar way to do business.


5) Changing Statements - BurstNET originally released "BurstNET bought TH". This was mis-interpreted, and was a mistake in wording on our part. It was not meant to be scrutenized for the exact wording. When we realized this, we immediately starting changing the wording to "BurstNET bought TH accounts (clients) and domain name"

Agreed.


6) Registrations - BurstNET has done everything possible to assist with people that got taken on their domain registrations. As mentioned aboe, ALOT of the TH clients have their domain regs registered to "Speedy Servers", and not themselves. BurstNET has access to the speedyserver.net/truehosting.com domain name(s). BurstNET does not have access to the True Hosting/Speedy Servers legal names. Therefore, BurstNET can only assist with changing name servers or contacts on your domain registration (which we have been more than helpful with), while BurstNET cannot change the name of the registrant. Such would require the notarized signature from TH/SS, which we of course, cannot provide.


Again, this makes one wonder how much communication is going on back and forth between Burst and Peter.


What did I miss?
Any more legitimate concerns/questions?
We will answer any valid questions...however anything we deem as sensitive material...please understand cannot be discussed, nor will direct attacks/rude statements.

Naturally. I don't think anyone here would want to know the exact details of this (actually, some probably would, if only out of the same kind of fascination that makes me people slow down to look at car wrecks). But unless Burst has become a publicly held company, I don't see any reason to discuss it.


And Annette, we do have a sense of humor :-)


When dealing with Peter, it would be painful not to. :)

[This message has been edited by Annette (edited 05-22-2000).]

BurstNET i apolgise for getting at you guys and wish you the best of luck sorting out the mess with truehosting customers. i just hope my account chattechnics did get canclled like i had to demand it did.

Boyeeee... luckily I had been reading these posts *before* page 3. Wasn't *this* one started because the *other* one was getting too long? I can only imagine...

Anyhow Sean, you should have expected a bit of backlash from all of this, yes? Just makes for some long reading...

I had something to say, but just spent 1:45 mins. on hold waiting to discuss my DSL problems with PacHell and the thought has left my noodle. Note: Don't sign up for PacHell DSL.

Originally posted by Chicken:
Boyeeee... luckily I had been reading these posts *before* page 3. Wasn't *this* one started because the *other* one was getting too long? I can only imagine...

Anyhow Sean, you should have expected a bit of backlash from all of this, yes? Just makes for some long reading...

I had something to say, but just spent 1:45 mins. on hold waiting to discuss my DSL problems with PacHell and the thought has left my noodle. Note: Don't sign up for PacHell DSL.

Too bad about that last. Bellsouth has been a lot better than what I've read of PacBell. I love DSL....

Anyhow, I appreciate Sean's recent post, as it explains some of the oddities surrounding this. I don't necessarily agree with every item, and I'm sure Tim will post loads of stuff, but I think that keeping people informed is much better than simply telling people to get over it and move on.

Originally posted by Annette:
Too bad about that last. Bellsouth has been a lot better than what I've read of PacBell. I love DSL....

Anyhow, I appreciate Sean's recent post, as it explains some of the oddities surrounding this. I don't necessarily agree with every item, and I'm sure Tim will post loads of stuff, but I think that keeping people informed is much better than simply telling people to get over it and move on.

I really have no comments in regard to most of his post. No matter what he thought of my attitude, his was no better, which accounts for _my_ attitude when I responded to said posts. Finally, I'm not too sure about how people did or did not say, assume or insinuate any negative things about Burst on various other boards, etc. No matter though, because my post did bring up many relevant and valid issues, some of which were covered in his reply to you.

I only comment on a couple of things;

#1: If I were Burst, I'd have the domain(s) in question transferred to my personal contact information for billing, tech and admin. The company name does require a public notary involvement to change. This is true. I would however, still at least make sure Peter can't take it all over, and take all of said client's with im (as it's still his DNS until then) by updating this domain record. (It seems to be the only domain in the world that can never be updated.

#2: Sense of humor? Hmmm, I saw nothing in the line's of that, but that's not relevant, just thought it was humorous to see. I was no worse than he was, and I had a reason to point out my questions. I did not however, deserve to be blamed for ridiculous things other's have allegedly claimed. Finally, to have him state I'm out of line for not putting immediate and mindless faith in claims that were evident to be quite the opposite.

#3: He mentioned that he knew how many valid accounts there was, yet he then said that he didn't want to transfer any domains/accounts, as they don't know which one's are valid. How can you know how any are valid, if you don't know what one's are or are not? I'm just trying to make sense out of that. How would you know how any were valid, if you don't know which one's are or are not valid domains?

#4: He said they can't know until people sign up. On whom? Sign up ion Burst, or the left over's from TH?

#5: How does this explain not updating or moving he order form? People might still be, or possibly have been signing up with a simple, insecure mail form. Finally, the CGI scripts such as cdfree that are in violation of the creator's copyright still remain, why not take them down?

Be it as it may, as I stated previously, none of us want to have another bad thing happen and we didn't just jump in with the intention to question Burst's character, etc. But as these events transpired, where I was not active at all in this board, after reading so much, I felt it was time to bring up a few flaws in this situation and the things that have been said. I refer people to a deja.com search where I had Burst comment to me in a NG posting, wherein I responded to them. There were some contradicting issues and still are. Some are trivial and some are not. Having actively participated in said discussion where these new posts in this board contradict the former, I felt it was reasonable and relevant/valid to bring these issues up, as I was (by then) disgusted with the posts I saw from Burst, when I knew better).

I had not once mindlessly accuses then of anything, I asked them to explain, because of how it looks.

The fact that they were being so condescending and evasive about relevant issues, compelled me to respond to Burst in kind. I only question the fate of said client's, because as it stands, there is still a problem for them, being the fact that it's trivial to buy out client's, when you claim no responsibility for them. Someone signs up with TH and has a problem and aren't allowed to be hosted by Burst because TH claims they owe, yet Burst says that any past problems with billing, etc. are not their problem. This is the issue I brought up, and it was valid.

People can assume all they like, that I enjoy ranting, but I do not. Take note that I didn't bother to comment until last night, of which I deemed it time to cover a few issues. This spawned from Burst's initial attitude in said NG where the contradictions remain in archive. Mind you, when it comes down to it, really don't care, we just all wanted to make sure Peter wasn't pulling something, and then it became seemingly (note I sate "seemingly") evidence that this Burst issue was no better than the TH issue, just with a different company, so TH wasn't even the issue. In short, it's all very easily explained for everyone's benefit, and although Burst doesn't care for me anymore than I do for them, my statements were valid, I was not out of line, I was trying to get answers, and I did explain how this makes them appear and why and I felt it was needed, finally, as all I saw to date was a lot of jerking around.

Here's to making things simple, rather than trying to bring in irrelevant, personal issues that are not helpful or rational. Cheers!

Regards,
Tim Greer

Aaaa what are you people dicussing about ? Please tell me so i can comment, so far I have read BrustNET is full of themselfs... and this Peter guy is also kind of missed up...

Originally posted by Nukem:
Aaaa what are you people dicussing about ? Please tell me so i can comment, so far I have read BrustNET is full of themselfs... and this Peter guy is also kind of missed up...

If you want the whole story, go back through the archives, find the original True Hosting thread (7 pages), and then read this.

Happy Reading

p.s. To say Peter kind of messed up is like saying that Jupiter is kind of big, compared to the Earth...It's not kind of, it is very much so...and Peter messed up big time, to say the least

well, i follow this ongoing fiasco on a weekly basis. i was on of THs victims for about 6 months, and only got involved again after reading about the burstnet 'buyout'.
heres my 2 cents:

1. its seems to me that burstnet is just like truehosting in the sense that they dont know when to shut the hell up. they put their foot in their mouth every other paragraph, and whenever an error is pointed out in a post, changes are made to the website ASAP.

2. who is "Sean" within burstnet? is he a PR person? since we have a phone # is sean some one we can call and speak to direct? if hes just an employee who isnt a PR rep, what right does he have to speak for the company without permission? his statements are being taken as direct from burstnet, when in reality we dont know if hes the PR agent, ot the janitor.

dunno if my statements are something thats already been discussed or not, but these are the 1st things that popped into my head as i read this board.

i know that in my own personal business, i had a falling out with a partner not too long ago, and even though the mutual business dissolved, we were both responsible for making sure all our mutual customers and existing orders were shipped, it wasnt like i said 'well, that was the old business, thats not my fault now'. anyway....

F*** truehosting, peter and timmy the cat.

Tim -

You raise some good points (and reinforce my idea about inconsistencies being a Bad Thing). Burst sends out emails to people whom they believe, after "compiling [their] database" to be TH customers. Yet in this forum, Sean has told us that they are not, in fact, finished doing this, and that, in fact, the deal is not even done because they can't determine which accounts are valid. Now I realize, of course, as I've said before, that Burst is under no obligation to reveal the details of their arrangement with Peter. However, in a general sense, I would certainly prefer to have a broad explanation (even as simple as "We're working on the list, and Peter is a weenie because his recordkeeping stinks.") As just about anyone can tell, I'm not a big fan of a) inconsistency from people and companies who should know better, and b) people and companies who are not as forthcoming as they could be about some things.

I still think this whole mess reflects fairly badly on Burst, because of their willing association with Peter (and I still believe that whatever they wind up paying will be too much). But again, I am not working for Burst, and it certainly isn't for me to determine their business practices. As much as we would might all agree that appearances, personally, are not that big a deal, I think we would pretty much all agree that a company's appearance can be a very big deal indeed.

In reply to another web baord user's post:
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By Anonymous on Tuesday, May 23, 2000 - 05:20 am:


Well, it seems I just can't win
I was reselling for TH in the early days and then learned the truth. Sadness
ensued.
I moved from them.
To a Burst.net dedicated server! Woe is me!
Don't get me wrong - things were great initially, but the instant Burst became
involved with TH - all support stopped. It took 14 days to get a couple of IP
addresses from Burst - way too long - lost several prospects because of it.
And now with the recent yo-yo service, it seems I may have made another
mistake.
14 hours of downtime in a week logged. Really not a good thing. More sadness.
I am now in the process of moving everything to a new provider, so this post will
have to remain anonymous for now. Wouldn't want anything "unusual" to happen
before I send in the cancellation to Burst.
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I said:
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I'm sorry to here that. It's too bad this happened, as I thought that Burst was a decent service before, based on their responses to various subjects on various web hosting boards. In fact, the best explanation I can give for my attitude and option towards them, is to post a reply I just sent to a person via email in regard to Burst, which should surmise it:

I said:

"I agree. In fact, I never heard anything bad about them before this. I was surprised by their attitude and the oddities involved in this situation. They continue to do this. I can only conclude, since they were well aware of TH on some web hosting message boards I saw them frequent (one's with many issues about TH), they are just desperate for money. It seems to me, that with all their current problems and all this crap that they are doing, they are fearing their company going under. They probably paid a few hundred for Peter, so Peter could get out of it. I mean, he's already got the money people sent, for a few hundred, he gets out of all of it.

If anything, it was a way for him to get out and not be liable anymore, which is better off for him than just closing TH down and getting all the flack from current user's that will not get the hosting they paid a year in advance for. So, if anything, it was good for him, even if he could convince Burst to do it for free. Burst may not have even paid, but Burst may still not have bought them. Who knows? As far as I'm concerned, this wasn't a problem and it's a fine thing to do, until Burst acted just like TH. Now I wonder what's to come? I truly think Peter was happy to get out of this clean, even without money, let alone any at all. I think Burst was thrilled, because they can now have a better chance at more client's, because people will feel obligated, or as if they are just continuing their contracts. I think it's even more odd tan anything, that Burst would mention the possibility of running the TH domain.

Yeah, right. Why would anyone do such a thing with their rep!? I bet that domain contact information doesn't change for while, if ever. I don't buy it. No matter what, they have to be up to something. No matter what, they are not much better than TH, so I see no difference. This is why his argument that I'm taking out my TH aggression on an innocent, honest company is so blatantly stupid."

I don't think there's any need to see the message I was replying to. There's simply no need for this sort of thing to happen.
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Which I think sums it up, in addition to my posst here, of course. (for those that were/are curious).

Regards,
Tim Greer

All this discussion has focused primarily on BurstNET instead of Peter.

If indeed Burst purchased the client base, and not the name, then Peter is still soley held responsible for his previous actions of fraud and harassment towards (ex)customers.

All in all, it sounds like you're all attacking Burst alone and not Peter who caused the entire mess in the first place, who still has responsibility he has NOT paid in full regardless of the outcome of these events.

Originally posted by Crazieman:
All this discussion has focused primarily on BurstNET instead of Peter.

If indeed Burst purchased the client base, and not the name, then Peter is still soley held responsible for his previous actions of fraud and harassment towards (ex)customers.

All in all, it sounds like you're all attacking Burst alone and not Peter who caused the entire mess in the first place, who still has responsibility he has NOT paid in full regardless of the outcome of these events.

The fact is, depending on what's really going on with Burst, that is the issue/problem at hand and not Peter (as is explained why above). If Burst bought out TH from Peter, then there's no need to continue to make any mention of Peter -- we know what he did and there's nothing anyone can resolve with him even if he was still involved. Don't make the mistake of thinking people are just looking for someone else to complain about. It all was very suspicious that they say they bought out the client list, when they have no idea how many client's they bought (how can you value that!?), the contradicting statements and the fact that they've even said they aren't going to buy it for another 45 days minimum -- so they didn't buy them out yet and they might not after all, since they have yet to find out what they are even paying for.

Why would they need to "find out", after claiming they already know? If they already know, why do they have to find out or wait to find out anything about how many true client's there are? As it stands, Peter is still in complete control of the client's and web site's in question. let's put it this way, Burst admits having still not paid them, so how did they buy them out? Finally, since they have yet to pay Peter, he is not only in control of said client's and web site's, DNS's, etc., but he has a right to move or close them all down whenever he likes. This is not a rational situation to put said client's through. It's not stable and it's certainly of no advantage. Review my above posts again to rationalize this logic. No one's attacking Burst for what Peter did, that is not the issue and it should be obvious.

As for Peter, if anything, now there's no way to get a hold of him anyway. I'm sure he'll change his personal ISP's dial-in email account, or just not reply or say it's not his server anymore. Burst says that Peter is responsible and it has nothing to do with them (no one blames Burst for Peter's fraud, which you can see if you read the posts), but the problem still remains, and that's the fact that Peter will claim he's no longer responsible and it's Burst's business now, of which he (Peter) never was (responsible) anyway (so it makes no difference in that aspect!)

However, what about the client's that paid for months in advance, or a year in advance? What about them and how Peter says they owe or didn't ever pay? Burst apparently isn't responsible for any of that, because how could they know and why would they be? I'm not completely blaming them, but I really don't see the point or advantage this is for said client in this situation.

I was questioning the validity of their claims and intentions. Basically, it's not going to be any better at that point for said client, because they are cut off after having paid anyway. Things like how Peter is still seemingly in control of the insecure form email which people use to sign up still being used, which makes no sense of why Burst wouldn't point it to their own order form with their own site's terms of service and hosting contract information on a secure order form, not to mention any of the other issues.

I guess it sounds like (to all of us) that something's up and wrong with Burst, and for many reasons we've all mentioned (having to do with a issue with/about them, not Peter), and it sounds to you like we're "attacking" ()as you put it) Burst for things to do with Peter, which is not the case either way. Oh well...

Regards,
Tim Greer

Mr. Greer, are you one of the clients that was transfered on to BurstNET? If you are, then all you need to do is cancel when they send the form out if you don't wish to stay with BurstNET:


9) BurstNET® will be requiring you to confirm your account(s) and billing
information via a web based form.
Please stand by for another email regarding how to proceed with such.
You can also cancel your account(s) via the same form if necessary.


TrueHosting is no longer in the picture, all accounts have been transfered to BurstNET servers and are controlled by BurstNET. If it weren't for BurstNET then all the TrueHosting accounts would have just been deleted (everyone would have lost money and their files.. very devistating), giving those customers no way to continue on to an other host without having to start all over again.

Right now, those past TrueHosting customers can backup their files themselves and possibly move to a different host or they can stay with BurstNET (that is their choice, most will stay with BurstNET because of their great rep. They will also probably stay because the search for a decent host these days is not good and plus they pick up the risk of signing up with an other TrueHosting).

It really is pointless for everyone to analyze this entire deal because it is none of our business. Sean from Burst can only try and help people understand what is going on and try and keep their rep as good as its been for many years now... but I really don't think he knows the whole picture either since that information would be kept private amognst the owners of Burst (that's how companies work, ya know). Whatever money was gained or lost by BurstNET isn't our business, so why continue to bring it up?

If any current customer has problems with this all they need to do is email BurstNET or call them, they will work with them to straighten anything out (the domains that were purchased by TrueHosting falsely, etc.). If they have questions about billing, they can address that too. All the people involved in this are adults and should be able to handle their own affairs.

As for people who aren't part of this... why should they care? Worry about your own problems and let others take care of their own. In my opinion, some of the common posters about this TrueHosting deal look desperate to continue something that no longer exists by attacking an other company who definetely doesn't deserve it. Be happy that those people didn't loose everything by your attacks on TrueHosting (more than well deserved attacks, I agree on that) and that they are now in the hands of a good host.

Frankly, I'm sick of seeing my host's name get dragged through the mud because you think they made a bad business choice. They have been around for a very long time and I trust they know what they are doing. If you don't trust them, that's fine. You aren't a client of theirs, so why worry yourself about it? Continue your actions against TrueHosting/Peter, but leave BurstNET out of it.

That's it. I've said my part, now I'll wait patiently for Tim to twist my words around and make me out to be a bad guy too :)

I have to say it amuses me that people say things like "focus on your own stuff, leave it alone, let it go". In fact, since I am tired and cranky right now, I guess I'll ahead and address this (and show that perhaps you think I am one of those "desperate" to continue this).

First off, True Hosting, according to Burst, is still the holder of all those accounts. Or maybe Burst has now compiled the list of accounts and they really are the new owners. Or maybe the deal hasn't even been finalized yet. Or... Do you see the problem here?

I don't give two ***** about the details of their deal. I do care about what happens to the people who were screwed over by TH, and I do care about the fact that there are quite a few people who can't even get their domains aways from Burst/TH because Burst can't do anything about it (despite what you might presume, based on your post), TH won't, and Burst does not seem to be in contact with TH AT ALL. Do you see the problem here?

I have received yet another message from someone who has suddenly discovered that they are not the registrant of their domain. Result? They (like the others) can't get it back now. They also can't even get to their site. Their email to support has gone unanswered, and they won't be back to Burst. (And no, I will not name the individual.)
Do you see the problem here?

The point of all of this is that some people are still interested in pursuing action against Peter (I know Joey is, in particular). The deal seems shady to some people, and Burst, through their own actions, have gotten caught up in it. The fact that they have been less than forthcoming has not helped their plans.

Oh, and one more thing: had True Hosting not screwed around with his customers, the customers of TH would still have good service. Or two. Unless you think that Colossus and Alabanza are not good providers for their clients.

People (and companies) must take resposibility for their actions. I am sick to death of people (and companies) who continually try to foist blame on someone else for the things that they themselves have done.

I totally understand that what TrueHosting did with their clients was wrong. I believe that TrueHosting should get what they/he deserves.

But BurstNET has not done anything wrong whatsoever and no matter how much that one guy says he never claimed they had done something wrong, it does make it sound that way (I don't like it when people twist others' words around, is that Tim guy a lawyer or something?).

I personally have never read anything about BurstNET not letting any of their clients go when they wish to cancel, or not giving a refund where it is due. They are not like TrueHosting at all and I'm more than positive that BurstNET will try to help those people with the domain problems as much as they can! If they can't get a response by email (it can take a while because during this whole deal they have been bombarded by questions, I have never waited for longer than 2 days for a response by email though) then call them up, their number is right on their website.

BurstNET may have bought the clients, but they didn't buy Peter. He is the one that registered those domain names, right? BurstNET can't do anything about that because they are not Peter and Network Solutions will not let some outside party take a domain away from someone who registered it, even if it was a crook like that Peter guy.

There are lots of things Burst probably won't be able to do because of other third parties who are involved in this (even those who don't know about it like Network Solutions, who is the company you should contact in regards to Peters fraud and the domain names that were registered wrongfully). Will you get a response from them, I really doubt it (in my experience, Network Solutions doesn't care two hoots about their customers).

I don't understand why you don't just email them for the answers to your questions. To me it looked like some people (I'm not naming anyone in particular) just wanted to make just one more hosting company look retarded. It isn't easy to answer some questions (mainly when they don't have the complete answers yet), but silly as it is, webhosts will try anyway just so people won't think they don't care. Either way, if they answer (not knowing all the details) or don't (because they don't know all the details), they will end up looking bad anyway.

I back you up all the way Annette, and understand the pain this moron put you and others through. But that was not Burst, so it would be in your best interest to continue fighting Peter and let Burst continue being the great host many have come to know.

Ponder this for a moment, if Burst had never gotten involved, TrueHosting would have just disappeared (everyones accounts would have been deleted, etc.) and then, please let me know this, who would be there to help the people with the domains that were registered by TrueHosting?

I know the answer... no one! So be happy BurstNET is here and will probably try to help those people out. They gave all the other customers a chance to get their files saved and backed-up so they can move on (unlike what happened after the Colossus move, right?), so please cut BurstNET some slack already.

I think everyone knows by now that it hasn't been the provider, its been Peter. BurstNET has stopped that because Peter is no longer in the picture for the customers that were transfered to their servers. It sure as hell isn't over for those who have a bone to pick with TrueHosting though. I don't care what happens with TrueHosting, but I do care about my host because they have been there for me when I needed their support and I just feel they are getting a bad wrap on this.

Why not wait like everyone else to get the answers when they become available (when they post it on the truehosting.com website) instead of trying to pry out information that doesn't exist yet and making them look bad because they don't have all the answers yet. :confused:

God, now I'm ranting like a lunatic. Eshga! Well, I hope all turns out for the best for everyone, except Peter of course. :)

Originally posted by Xavier:
I totally understand that what TrueHosting did with their clients was wrong. I believe that TrueHosting should get what they/he deserves.

But BurstNET has not done anything wrong whatsoever and no matter how much that one guy says he never claimed they had done something wrong, it does make it sound that way (I don't like it when people twist others' words around, is that Tim guy a lawyer or something?).

Nah, he's just somebody else caught up in TH's crap. He's also pissed that Burst told him one thing, then did another; that they say one thing, then another.


I personally have never read anything about BurstNET not letting any of their clients go when they wish to cancel, or not giving a refund where it is due. They are not like TrueHosting at all and I'm more than positive that BurstNET will try to help those people with the domain problems as much as they can! If they can't get a response by email (it can take a while because during this whole deal they have been bombarded by questions, I have never waited for longer than 2 days for a response by email though) then call them up, their number is right on their website.

It's difficult when you do't have first hand experience dealing with things like this. I've read the reviews about Burst; many of them have indicated that support is sometimes slow, so it does not surprise me that the one particular individual I referred to did not receive a response.


BurstNET may have bought the clients, but they didn't buy Peter. He is the one that registered those domain names, right? BurstNET can't do anything about that because they are not Peter and Network Solutions will not let some outside party take a domain away from someone who registered it, even if it was a crook like that Peter guy.

Why is this so hard to understand? No one has asked Burst to do anything except either point the existing domain to the right nameserver in their tables until the ownership issue is resolved, or (and more preferable to all) simply pass along the request to TH. They are, after all, either in the process of buying or have bought the client list (depending on which version you read). One would think that in such business dealings, the principal parties would certainly be in contact with one another.


There are lots of things Burst probably won't be able to do because of other third parties who are involved in this (even those who don't know about it like Network Solutions, who is the company you should contact in regards to Peters fraud and the domain names that were registered wrongfully). Will you get a response from them, I really doubt it (in my experience, Network Solutions doesn't care two hoots about their customers).

NetSol is not the registering agent, just as an FYI. This is another part of the problem: people go on about these things, offering what they think are helpful suggestions, without understanding the issues surrounding it. Personally, I have found NetSol and Bulk Register (with whom Peter had an account) to be very friendly and responsive.


I don't understand why you don't just email them for the answers to your questions. To me it looked like some people (I'm not naming anyone in particular) just wanted to make just one more hosting company look retarded. It isn't easy to answer some questions (mainly when they don't have the complete answers yet), but silly as it is, webhosts will try anyway just so people won't think they don't care. Either way, if they answer (not knowing all the details) or don't (because they don't know all the details), they will end up looking bad anyway.

By writing this, you are presuming that people have not already been in contact with Burst. That is a mistake.

All of us are aware that Burst might not have all the answers. It would have been better for their reputation had they simply indicated this at the outset, instead of presuming to tell people what they should and should not worry about, or replying nastily to others' concerns regarding this situation.


I back you up all the way Annette, and understand the pain this moron put you and others through. But that was not Burst, so it would be in your best interest to continue fighting Peter and let Burst continue being the great host many have come to know.

It was not painful for me to deal with Peter. More like a circus sideshow. Others, however, are not so amused by this situation. As I indicated previously, I hold no particular rancor toward Burst (except to the point where they said they could do one thing and then said they could not, and the maddening way they contradict themselves). But a lot of people are not like me - most people let their emotions rule. They are pissed. Rightfully so. No one can deny them their perfect right to bitch about whomever they choose. Reasonable people can make their own inferences based on the material.


Ponder this for a moment, if Burst had never gotten involved, TrueHosting would have just disappeared (everyones accounts would have been deleted, etc.) and then, please let me know this, who would be there to help the people with the domains that were registered by TrueHosting?

Ponder this: if TH would have wised up, there would have been NO reason for Burst to be involved at all. Ponder this: Burst said at first that they were merely hosting TH - then comes the impeccably timed buyout notice. Ponder this: Burst have not helped a single individual whose domain was registered by TH in TH's name, even with this buyout.


I know the answer... no one! So be happy BurstNET is here and will probably try to help those people out. They gave all the other customers a chance to get their files saved and backed-up so they can move on (unlike what happened after the Colossus move, right?), so please cut BurstNET some slack already.

I have cut Burst slack - I simply detest conflicting stories from a company that should be more aware of the appearance they give than Burst seem to be.


I think everyone knows by now that it hasn't been the provider, its been Peter. BurstNET has stopped that because Peter is no longer in the picture for the customers that were transfered to their servers. It sure as hell isn't over for those who have a bone to pick with TrueHosting though. I don't care what happens with TrueHosting, but I do care about my host because they have been there for me when I needed their support and I just feel they are getting a bad wrap on this.

I'm happy that you're so thrilled with your host. However, your host have contradicted themselves on this subject, so how can you say with certainty that Peter is no longer involved? From the looks of things, one might even draw the conclusion that Burst's communications with Peter are infrequent or non-existent.


Why not wait like everyone else to get the answers when they become available (when they post it on the truehosting.com website) instead of trying to pry out information that doesn't exist yet and making them look bad because they don't have all the answers yet. :confused:

Then it is silly for Burst to publicly post that the compilation is not finished and then send out emails saying that such a compilation is finished. The deal is done as of 5/9, according to the TH site. The deal isn't done, according to Sean on this very forum. Details will be forthcoming. We won't discuss the details. Support issues should be directed to Burst, but billing questions should not (makes me wonder where exactly those queries should go). The only people responsible for making Burst look bad are Burst.


God, now I'm ranting like a lunatic. Eshga! Well, I hope all turns out for the best for everyone, except Peter of course. :)

Joey still wants to kick Peter's ass. I'd be willing to

Originally posted by Xavier:
Mr. Greer, are you one of the clients that was transfered on to BurstNET? If you are, then all you need to do is cancel when they send the form out if you don't wish to stay with BurstNET:

Well, I'm sure you'll claim that I'm twisting your words now, because I'm actually making sense and posing valid points. If you bothered to consider anything any of us have been saying, you'd know that doesn't help or justify your logic. The fact and problem is, that the client's that have already paid will not get a refund from Peter OR Burst, so they are forced to cancel an account that they paid for already, just to get out of it.
That's not a reasonable solution or fair. My point was this and I don't expect it to be. Telling someone that has already paid, that all they need to do is cancel, is not reasonable. That's tantamount to telling a customer of a phone company saying that if they aren't happy about the errors in their phone bill, they are free to cancel their phone service they paid for in advance for a year. Or less of an example, but within the same line of flawed logic, to tell an employee being harassed by their boss, that they can feel free to quite.

Of course anyone can cancel their account, maybe, but so? That's not helpful, that's not a solutions, that's reckless and foolish. Suggesting people to just ignore the issues and put up with it or cancel and lose money, is wickedly mean, selfish, irresponsible and belligerent! Why should that be the client's only alternative? This is my point, they are trapped.

TrueHosting is no longer in the picture,

Yes, we've been told. Although in reality, I've stated the problem, that since Burst is not to even buy these client's, etc. for another month and 1/2 (as they said themselves), he _is_ still in the picture and he still has control. Finally, for all we know, he may still be and will be. That statement is not only false, but you've missed the point. No wonder your so petty and vindictive.

all accounts have been transfered to BurstNET servers and are controlled by BurstNET.

This is not true. Peter still retains the domains in question and can change the DNS. As I said previously, he not only is able to, but he has a right to, as Burst has a while yet to even decide how much to pay Peter. Peter might not think it's enough and say no, and Burst might see it's not worth it. There are many factors involved here and until this transaction actually takes place, Peter is still in control and not Burst. This was hardly my point, and certainly not my only point.

If it weren't for BurstNET then all the TrueHosting accounts would have just been deleted

How in the world could you know that? Making such claims about how Burst saved these people is ridiculous. The service and quality thereof has failed to be as good as it was while TH resided on Alabanza. This is of no advantage to said client's. Finally, Burst bought him out, or plans to, so? What does that prove? Peter apparently planned to and intended to run his services on Burst, or somewhere else. How does that prove he was going to delete any or all of the client's accounts? You're telling me that TH was threatening to delete all the accounts if Burst or someone else didn't buy him out (or plan to, which is still a while away yet!)? That makes no sense. This was and is not an issue.

(everyone would have lost money and their files.. very devistating),

You are making guesses about the situation an what would have happened otherwise. We don't know what the situation was when TH asked Burst to buy them out, or Burst offered to buy them out. To assume that people's accounts would have been deleted and the user's would have lost files and money, is really reaching.

How desperate are you and Burst to act like Burst saved these client's from some traumatic and devastating loss of everything? Where do you get this situation from? Weren't you just saying at the top of this post of yours, that if these client's have any complaints, they can simply cancel their own account then? Odd sort of logic, based on your claim about how TH would have just started deleting everything. Why would they do that? Where did you get that from? Explain please. Adding some story about how terrible it would have been if these client's were suddenly bought by and put on Burst, is ridiculous and you're just avoiding the issues at hand, by trying to draw everyone's attention to the fact that Burst are these great and caring saviors (whom give the option to cancel your account if they don't like it -- of course, that's your claim and reasoning, I'm not going to be foolish like you and claim and say that's what the situation is).

giving those customers no way to continue on to an other host without having to start all over again.

Again, exactly how do you know that? How do you know that was or would be the situation? eh last move, TH had actually made backup copies of the user's accounts, why wouldn't they this time? Why would these user's be left without a place to be, lack of files or money, or have to start all over again? Weren't they happily on Burst? Wasn't Burst happy to host them?

After all, they were posting in TH's defense in the news groups! Therefore, I submit the question of how you know this, how did you come to this conclusion? How did you know about this, just because you're claiming to be a client on Burst yourself? How do you know about the inner-working's-on within Burst, let alone TH? Explain please, because it's obvious that you're just saying whatever you can to make Burst look like they saved everyone and ignoring the real issues at hand.

Right now, those past TrueHosting customers can backup their files themselves and possibly move to a different host or they can stay with BurstNET (that is their choice, most will stay with BurstNET because of their great rep. They will also probably stay because the search for a decent host these days is not good and plus they pick up the risk of signing up with an other TrueHosting).

These same user's could have done the same, no matter whom owned the client list. At least is was clear about whom was in control or in charge when Peter had it, and you knew to expect such things, as well as the fact that he was liable no matte what he said. Now he's saying he's not because he sold out, and Burst says they are not, because the old owner is liable. All they did, was buy a list of clients and hope they sign up on Burst. They didn't intend to take any responsibility for any of the client' that have been screwed over, are owed years of hosting still and the hosting plan features as outlined. They lose all around. There is no advantage. Like I said, obviously that is wy Burst wanted to buy them out, because they can say just what you have. Claim that they're better off now, will be better of staying with Burst, and the fact that they're free to cancel (with no refund) and TRY and find a host that is decent and one that Peter doesn't run. (If you really want to risk it, but... uh... it's up to you).

A pathetic attempt to make these user's feel they have no other alternatives, are obligated to stay on, or how much of a risk it would be to try and move. And why wouldn't it be? They're faced with the choice of losing the money they already paid for their hosting! What are these people supposed to do or think!

Originally posted by Xavier:
I totally understand that what TrueHosting did with their clients was wrong. I believe that TrueHosting should get what they/he deserves.

Agreed.

But BurstNET has not done anything wrong whatsoever and no matter how much that one guy says he never claimed they had done something wrong, it does make it sound that way (I don't like it when people twist others' words around, is that Tim guy a lawyer or something?).

Listen, Cretan. I twisted nothing. Everything I said, asked or questioned was rational and accurate -- and valid. You can sit there all you like and act like I MUST have or DID twisted the fats or meanings of certain events or aspects, but the fact remains that I id no such thing. That is a false claim and that is certainly a decent definition and evidence that you are the person twisting the situation, facts, events and intentions of others.

Perhaps I questioned Burst's intentions for what they have done or said, but I didn't twist anything, I gave explanations of why it's reasonable to assume such things and invited them to answer. If you choose to dislike me so much, try and find a better excuse than my personal distrust for Burst and to point out any flaws. I personally wouldn't blame anyone for that and what you're doing to me is much worse by far.

I'm not making this difficult for them or difficult to answer. They are, these are very simple and basic issues. I wanted them to clear it up and let us all know they didn't do anything wrong. You're just threatened by my intellect, so say I must be a lawyer and am making it all so confusing for you and how I am twisting things around to appear in my advantage. I'll take that as a complement. I have reasons for everything I've asked or assumed or stated. The fact is, not unlike Burst, your arguments are irrelevant, irrational and weak. I can see why it would appear that I'm twisting the facts/words to such people.

I am well known to not leave issues unresolved or unexplained. Obviously I'm correct in my view and act, because people like you assume wrongly or get the wrong impression. I do however, seem to basically take the whole point out of all of it, because you only get further confused and take it personally, therein just arguing and fighting with me about what I meant! Stop acting like you know me or anything about me.

There's a legitimate and rational reason for everything I do and say, be it you understand it or not, that shouldn't be so difficult to believe. Try not to misunderstand everything so recklessly based on your own frustration because of your lack of ability to fully understand the reasons why I do or say things, especially if you're not willing to consider anything and just completely dismiss everything I say, no matter how valid it is! There's no point to that!

I personally have never read anything about BurstNET not letting any of their clients go when they wish to cancel, or not giving a refund where it is due.

I never stated any such thing. I never said they were going to do with TH did, I said his statements and logic are EXACTLY like TH/Peter. Many other's have stated this to, so I'm not making up things to make them look bad. I said that Burst is NOT going to refund the money to these client's, that they PAID TH for. That specifically stated they aren't liable for such things. I never said blamed them, I just didn't see the advantage for these people. Peter already has their CC info or not, he can't do anymore or any less than he was or could before anyway. I've covered all the reasons how and why these people are in an unfortunate situation due to this. I never said Burst is going to rip off money from them!

They are not like TrueHosting at all and I'm more than positive that BurstNET will try to help those people with the domain problems as much as they can!

This was never an issue. I never said any such things about them not helping with transferring the domains they are able to.

If they can't get a response by email (it can take a while because during this whole deal they have been bombarded by questions, I have never waited for longer than 2 days for a response by email though) then call them up, their number is right on their website.

Probably true and whatever happens from there, we can't know. It would be based on that unique situation. I have no argument about that comment either. Just don't claim you know what I meant or said, when you obviously don't understand, especially if I never said some of these things you say I did.

BurstNET may have bought the clients, but they didn't buy Peter.

Agreed. However, they have yet to buy the client list (not the client's themselves either, now that you mention it). This is irrelevant, the problem is what Burst is doing. I don't expect you to get that though.

He is the one that registered those domain names, right? BurstNET can't do anything about that because they are not Peter and Network Solutions will not let some outside party take a domain away from someone who registered it, even if it was a crook like that Peter guy.

I completely agree. I don't expect Burst or Networksolutions (for example) can do anything, even if they wanted to. I don't blame them for that, nor is that an issue. The issue is about what Burst is doing wrong, not what Peter did, be it you accept that fact or not.

There are lots of things Burst probably won't be able to do because of other third parties who are involved in this (even those who don't know about it like Network Solutions, who is the company you should contact in regards to Peters fraud and the domain names that were registered wrongfully).

Exactly, correct.. I agree. Again, the issues I've stated with Burst, are from what they did or are doing or staying are what I brought up, and was not of this sort of issue. You can assume or act or claim I'm unreasonable, but people that have been paying attention know that my questions, claims, statements and whatnot are valid and reasonable and have nothing to do with blaming them for things that anyone else has have done or said.

Will you get a response from them, I really doubt it (in my experience, Network Solutions doesn't care two hoots about their customers).

Now, that's not nice. Perhaps someone that is happy with them will attack you? Finally what do you expect Networksolutions could do about it?

I don't understand why you don't just email them for the answers to your questions.

I personally would have, but they said some wrong things here, so I finally had enough of it, like you did with all of it yourself and stated a few flaws and made a few points. Expect it will continue each time someone comes here and states inaccurate things or misrepresents things, etc.

To me it looked like some people (I'm not naming anyone in particular) just wanted to make just one more hosting company look retarded.

Again, I would imagine that it would have appeared that way to you. I don't doub

To Xaviar.

First of all you weren't burned by TH. I not only lost money but lost clients.
Secondly by Burst helping Peter out of his situation the majority of TH clientel won't be bothered to go after Peter and make him pay, it's like they are aiding and supporting the badguy.
Lastly how could they prove that he is not associated with Burst as a reseller or sales agent ETC where he is deriving any monies on a monthly basis.
I feel that doing business with a company that aids people like Peter and tells the clientel that we are helping you and doing this for your benifit is one to beware of.
No company is doing any favors for anyone unless it is a religious org. They also cannot say they had no knowledge of TH problems because its public knowledge especially in this forum.
AS for Annette, Tim and Joey and the others who are doing what they can to inform others about TH keep up the good work.

To Xavier:

The only reason people are questioning Burst is because of the contradictory statements made by Burst. If Burst is the great, well established company that you think they are, then they should have known better and been more responsible than to:

a. get involved with a scumbag like Peter

b. make an announcement that they purchased TH when in fact they haven't *yet*, and may not.

c. allow an employee like Sean to get on the message board and start spewing out information when it is evident that he doesn't have all of the facts.

Tim, Annette, Joey and others don't mindlessly believe everything Burst or TH says. Good for them! If it weren't for people like them, TH would be quietly going about their business tricking people and taking their money.

Burst's own comments are the reason that Burst seems less than reputable, NOT the valid points or questions raised by the people that you attack in your post.

I have been reading about the domain name problems, and I have also seen that Burst says the deal is not complete and that TH has not received a dime yet. Why wouldn't Burst stipulate that TH has to return all domain names to there rightful owners before they get paid, if Burst plans on paying TH at all. Would that not be a incentive for TH to get this done if they want paid, I do not understand why this is not held over TH head. I do not know the specifics of the deal or if Burst plans on giving TH a Dime, but if they do pay them why don't they jerk them around like they did so many people. I sounds like Burst is holding all of the cards, why aren't they using that to make TH do what they are suppose to do to get their money. And this is assuming that Burst statement is true that no money has changed hands and that the deal is not complete yet.

I would like to apologize to Tim and anyone else who thought I was acting hostile. I hope I didn't come off that way to everyone because that wasn't my intention. I just wanted to try and understand the attitude that was being brought on to Burst a little better, and my post did that for me (maybe not for others, but it did for me).

I have a lot of respect for all of you (Annette, Tim and the others) because you are trying to help people, I never wanted you to think that I was against you in any way at all (I'm assuming you thought this of me, and hope really that you didn't).

Maybe I shouldn't have joked around about the twisting of words (it just looked like that to me at first until you replied to my post [it was enlightening] and well at that time I was entitled to that opinion), but I think that and the question about being one of the ones transfered to Burst was the only thing I directed towards Tim. Everything else was directed to anyone who has been following or is part of this whole deal.

I agree with Tim with almost everything he replied to in regards to my post. I was foolish and am ignorant on this issue, main reason why I posted. I have a better understanding now and oh yeah, I think the parts of the accounts being deleted and what not that I stated, I'm sure people read that as something I said 'could' have happened and I was not trying to say it 'would' have. But if they misread into that, I meant 'could have' (which anything could happen, we all now that too).

Also, I ramble... I am not good with words usually so I probably did sound irrational, sorry. If my post made anyone upset or if it wasn't appropriate of me to post it here in the first place, I'm sorry about that too. :)

That's about it, I'm leaving this discussion since I'm not directly involved and don't know much about what really is going on. I'll keep reading though, it is very interesting and I hope that those who deserve the worse get it (go get em' Joey!) and that all turns out for the best for everyone (the clients) that are involved.

Xavier -

Don't feel that you have to leave simply because you are not directly involved or don't know all the details. The point of being an observant person is to gather up information that is available and being able to put together an informed opinion. Think of it this way - just because one might not know anything about US politics, it certainly doesn't stop commentary on it.

I don't believe for a second that you had any ulterior motives through your posting. I do believe that it may be difficult to understand why people do what we are/have been doing. I am not that interested in bodily harm to Peter (although, like I said, I would pay for a ticket to Joey's steel cage match with him). I am interested in making him pay the consequences for his actions, and in helping other people who have been screwed over by his lying, fraudulent, libellous acts. As you might gather from my multiple posts, I am a firm believer in personal (and corporate) responsibility - and I think intelligent and rational commentary on a variety of issues falls within those areas.

Please don't abandon the conversation should you find yourself with something to say. We gain nothing from your silence, but everything from peoples' willingness to be involved.

Originally posted by Annette:
Xavier -

Don't feel that you have to leave simply because you are not directly involved or don't know all the details. The point of being an observant person is to gather up information that is available and being able to put together an informed opinion. Think of it this way - just because one might not know anything about US politics, it certainly doesn't stop commentary on it.

I don't believe for a second that you had any ulterior motives through your posting. I do believe that it may be difficult to understand why people do what we are/have been doing. I am not that interested in bodily harm to Peter (although, like I said, I would pay for a ticket to Joey's steel cage match with him). I am interested in making him pay the consequences for his actions, and in helping other people who have been screwed over by his lying, fraudulent, libellous acts. As you might gather from my multiple posts, I am a firm believer in personal (and corporate) responsibility - and I think intelligent and rational commentary on a variety of issues falls within those areas.

Please don't abandon the conversation should you find yourself with something to say. We gain nothing from your silence, but everything from peoples' willingness to be involved.


Precisely. I have not been damaged by TH, but I have been intimately involved since November, when Annette starting having all her problems. There is no reason for intelligent people to not see what is happening, and try to right a wrong. Stay! Your opinion matters.

(and I guess we'll see if this goes to 7 pages again!)

Xavier, I should apologize myself for my attitude. I'm just so fed up with all of this, it's difficult sometimes to be really polite if I get the wrong impression (I suppose we all have that happen eventually).

No need to explain your reasons any further, we understand. That's all this is, it's a sensitive issue to a lot of people and it's easy to get the wrong impression and take offense. I can see why my attitude would immediately give new viewer's the wrong impression of myself and my intentions.

I just usually explain far too much, and it makes it appear worse. Sorry to have gone overboard in response to your posts, I just get so fed up that I start lacking the diplomacy that I should make a point of conveying always, no matter what. You did nothing wrong, you're just trying to understand (just like the rest of us) and I got the wrong ompression (this seems to be the biggest problem with such issues).

As other's have said, stay around and keep informed if it interests you and let's all hope for the best. I'm really hoping this ends here and soon, without anyone assuming poor things about Burst or anyone but Peter. Peter is the jerk here and there's no reason for anyone else to take offense, I just come off the wrong way sometimes. I apolgize for that and my attiude about it. I'm sure Burst services you well and will continue to, I hope you stay happy with them.

Regards,
Tim Greer

Meanwhile...

Oh Davey, Davey... Wherefore art thou, Davey? I dare wish you were around, so that you may be the subject of our ridicule and scorn....

Btw, Annette, how's 'Hosting Matters' going? Getting enough customers?

[This message has been edited by BC (edited 05-26-2000).]

It kills me that the BurstNET guy above says "they have a lot of clients".

Can you say bulls---?

We should be happy they took them? Either the BurstNET people are INCREDIBLY *STUPID* (which I vote for) to take over True Hosting, or they are somehow related.

True Hosting has completely DESTROYED their reputation. The KID who is the ONLY PERSON who runs it is obviously an immature, childish LOSER who has NO concept of what running a business is like.

But now BurstNET takes over and says they have a large user base and essentially not to put Burst down because they are helping out?

BURSTNET GET A CLUE!!! If you guys are this incredibly STUPID to take over for a COMPLETE LOSER of a CHILD who tells his customers to "**** OFF" when they need help, then you guys alone are complete fools.

Seems like the same thing all over again.

Don't bother replying to me as I will not be coming back again.

I wish True Hosting would burn in hell, as well as Peter the prick.

Originally posted by BC:
Meanwhile...

Oh Davey, Davey... Wherefore art thou, Davey? I dare wish you were around, so that you may be the subject of our ridicule and scorn....

Btw, Annette, how's 'Hosting Matters' going? Getting enough customers?

[This message has been edited by BC (edited 05-26-2000).]


"Davey" - yet another figment of a fevered imgination. Same with "Bradley". "Nick". Etc.

As far as Hosting Matters - we've only officially been up for two weeks, so it's a bit early to tell. But I figure it this way - if Peter (and certain other hosting providers) can get customers being a total ass and being totally clueless, we shouldn't have any problems. I'm willing to be patient.

--
Annette
Hosting Matters, Inc.
http://www.hostmatters.com

http://quisqueya.freeservers.com/commerce/
Is this new???? or have I missed something????

Thank you

Paula

Paula,

Definitely haven't seen that before. Is PFM's reputation so bad now that his company site's hosted on a *Free web space provider*?!?!

(Tee, hee!)

I am getting so tired of him. I wish I knew more from my lawyer ... But with anything it takes time. And with this being over-sea's I am sure its going to be a while before anything happens...

As I recall, quisqueya was run by a guy named Manny, who also received numerous (as in thousands) of emails from PFM/Davey.

In other news, weaselboy has climbed out from under his rock. This morning, we received 19 "Go F*ck Yourself" emails from him, via the control panel demo account we had set up, which I tracked back to an IP address associated with his other juvenile antics. He also changed the index page on that demo account to the same kind of libellous text of which he's so fond. Why he changed a page that no one ever sees is a mystery, but it certainly helps our case against him - and of course, no one ever accused him of being particularly bright.

Congratulations, Burst - you certainly have picked a fine specimen to make your deal with.



------------------
Annette
Hosting Matters, Inc.
http://www.hostmatters.com

Oh, BTW - don't know if anyone has checked the redesign at awardhosting.com lately. Still has PFM as the owner. Still active, despite Burst indicating that the site had been disabled. Here's a funny one - there's a link on there for design. Who would pay for a crap design like the one at that site?

So from what davey is operating there is he still on the alabanza network too lazy to do a traceroute. and your kinding about the site design aint ya i've always wanted a website thats as good as that. its amazing the colors match perfectly.

Nah, a tracert on award goes back to Burst. It looks like he tried to use just about every color he could on that page - for the links, for the text (oh yes, greenish text on blue backgrounds - how...interesting). Color blind monkeys, maybe, would be interested, do you think?

Well Burst.net just last there last 1 rating on my books speacially when they keep spamming me. is it just me or do people often get spammed by large hosts ?

Originally posted by Annette:
Nah, a tracert on award goes back to Burst. It looks like he tried to use just about every color he could on that page - for the links, for the text (oh yes, greenish text on blue backgrounds - how...interesting). Color blind monkeys, maybe, would be interested, do you think?


From Trace:

PCHelp's --*# Network Tracer #*-- Copyright 1999 pchelp
Free for non-commercial use. Free for any use. http://www.pc-help.org/

Tracing: www.awardhosting.com (http://www.awardhosting.com)
Date: 06-10-2000
Start Time: 3:35:55.38p


-- DOMAIN NAME RECORD QUERY RESULTS --

whois -h whois.networksolutions.com "DO F awardhosting.com"
No record found in Network Solutions database.
whois -h whois.crsnic.net awardhosting.com

Domain Name: AWARDHOSTING.COM
Registrar: ALABANZA, INC.
Whois Server: whois.bulkregister.com
Referral URL: www.bulkregister.com (http://www.bulkregister.com)
Name Server: NS2.TRUEHOSTING.NET
Name Server: NS.TRUEHOSTING.NET
Updated Date: 06-mar-2000


>>> Last update of whois database: Sat, 10 Jun 00 05:22:42 EDT <<<

whois -h whois.bulkregister.com awardhosting.com
SpeedyServers.com (AWARDHOSTING-COM-DOM)
PO Box 16
St. Neots, Huntingdon, Cambs PE19 1UW
UK

Domain Name: AWARDHOSTING.COM

Administrative Contact:
Domain Registrar (DR171-BR) admin@speedyserver.net
Phone- 01144 7974 784512
Fax- 01144 1480 351587
Technical Contact:
Domain Registrar (DR171-BR) admin@speedyserver.net
Phone- 01144 7974 784512
Fax- 01144 1480 351587
Billing Contact:
Domain Registrar (DR171-BR) admin@speedyserver.net
Phone- 01144 7974 784512
Fax- 01144 1480 351587

Record updated on 2000-03-06.
Record created on 2000-03-06.
Database last updated on 2000-06-10 03:45:36 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.TRUEHOSTING.NET 216.10.3.4
NS2.TRUEHOSTING.NET 216.10.3.3


Trace Started: 3:35:55.38p
Trace Finished: 3:36:11.53p