That is my question. What exactly is unmetered bandwidth? Is it real, or just a pipe dream?

<edit>Yes, i've searched the forum, but I really didn't get the answer I was looking for...and didn't want to bump an old thread.</edit>

seems it is what its called, they dont monitor it, use what your system/switch can handle, I assume there might be some catch like you share a 10mbs connection with others

It's a crock!

They say they don't monitor it but that is a blatant lie. Somewhere in their TOS/AUP there will be a statement saying you have an actual amount you cannot go over. Or it will say that if you use an "excessive" amount your account will be terminated.

Now I ask you, how can they know you are using an excessive amount of bandwidth if they are not monitoring it?

I would avoid any Host that isn't clear and honest with you right from the start. You should have set amounts of space and transfer with exact costs for any overages. Don't leave things subject to chance or interpretation

Unmetered can go in the same recycle bin with unlimited IMO....

Hmmm... where does it say umetered means a host doesn't monitor? Please point this out. Thanks.

Un-metered means NOT metered. Simply as that. What do you do when you meter something? You bill for it by recording use and calculating price for use. Some host have opted to use this word to say you will not be billed for extra bandwidth use. Whether it is a dedicated 10 Meg line or a shared plan. It is possible to offer unmetered. I see it all the time. Are their host who use it to lie? Sure. Then it is the job of the community to call them out. But sterotyping in anything is wrong and ignorrant.

Also, a host who offers a limit or offers umetered, will both have TOS and resource limits. So don't believe the crap that unmetered host are the only ones who use TOS to dictate "limits".

I agree with Watcher, if you say "unmetered" then it should mean NOT METERED, and no host is going to truely do that.

Just do a little research on how much bandwidth costs and you will instantly realize, that nobody is just going to plunk down that amount of money and not monitor it!

Originally posted by Zoosushi
I agree with Watcher, if you say "unmetered" then it should mean NOT METERED, and no host is going to truely do that.

Just do a little research on how much bandwidth costs and you will instantly realize, that nobody is just going to plunk down that amount of money and not monitor it!

http://rackshack.net/english/celeron10mb.asp

1) Advertised as "Un-metered"

2) Not monitored.

The line can only push so much bandwidth, so yes it is un-metered, but because your line will restrict you from using infinity it's not unlimited bandwidth. Unmetered is a correct term, and should not be mistaken with unlimited bandwidth (which everyone should know by now does not exist)

LOL:emlaugh:

Hmmm... where does it say umetered means a host doesn't monitor? Please point this out. Thanks. I thought it was pretty obvious but I'll explain it for you ..:)

Scenario 1;
A Host tells you that your account has 10 gigs of transfer but if you go over that 10 gigs by +/- 3 gigs in a month you won't be charged, if you go over the +/- of 3 gigs and hit say 15 gigs then you will be billed at <insert price here> per gig.

Scenario 2;
A Host tells you they offer unmetered transfer yet they still "monitor" your usage so that if you go over their benchmark (Which they absolutely set and get from metering your usage) they can either charge you or suspend your account without explanation. This also allows them to change the +/- amounts of any overages as they see fit since it isn't spelled out anywhere other then in vague and ambiguous statements.

I would go with the Host in the 1st scenario over the 2nd scenario any day.

The term "Unmetered" in webhosting is vague and deceptive in my personal opinion, it's not really unmetered, they watch that meter all the time....

Usually when a web host offers Unmetered Bandwidth, it is usually Capped. This means that no matter how you use it, you will still not exceed the pre-computed bandwidth limit.

For instance, if the cap is 10mbps, you get a theoritical maximum bandwidth of 3260gb (In+Out) from that pipe. Of course, no one really reported ever reaching that limit.

For instance, it is something like if you get a water pipe from your water utility company which is 10 inch in diameter and they tell you you pay one fixed price and you can use as much water as you can from that water pipe. It would be the same thing. At any one time, the water flow cannot exceed that flow rate and it is also controlled by the diameter of the pipe. You cannot get more water than what can flow through. They would probably already be able to compute the maximum water you can get from that pipe. There is no way to exceed that said limit.

Of course, if they offer you something like un-metered and un-capped (an impossibility) then you might want to be wary.

But in any case, check the TOS and AUP on any excess policies. Write to them about it and keep a copy of the email correspondence so if they deny it, you at least have some evidence of their claims.

to me unmetered means, whatever you use is what your going to get billed for :confused: so from month to month your transfer rate is different, you get a unlimited amount of bandwidth but your billed for it no questions asked...kind of like the company gas card. They pay for your gas, they just dont tell you the amount your allowed, if you go over a set amount they bill you for what you charged over.

I thought it was pretty obvious but I'll explain it for you ..

Well, apparently not obvious enough for you. You completely missed the point... :)

You are creating a term monitored and incorporating it into unmetered. As I stated before to you. Find me a host who offers unmetered and tells you that they do not 'monitor'. That is all I am asking. If you can't, then your post is incorrect. I think you assume unmetered refers to no monitoring, which is incorrect.

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Ok let's try it again...:)

A Host offering "unmetered" transfer is implying there is no metering of your transfer which is a false statement. They not only meter your transfer they cap it and will charge you or suspend your account for overages.

If your account was truly unmetered there would be nothing to monitor would there?

You catch up with me now?...;)

I think that if is unmetered they shouldn't charge you for the overusage, because, how can you calculate the overusage if you're not metered?

I saw the term unmetered in offers like the one pointed by UmBillyCord from RS, where they offer Unmetered Bandwidth, but caped in 10 Mbps, which I think is correct and valid.

I think that if is unmetered they shouldn't charge you for the overusage, because, how can you calculate the overusage if you're not metered? Exactly!

Why sell accounts that are unmetered but capped? That's like saying unmetered but not really.

Like I said in the examples I posted, I would much prefer conducting business with the Host in scenario 1 then the Host in scenario 2....

Meter, or in this case, unmetered isn't an adjective. As discussed a million times, the verb meter means to 2. to supply in a measured or regulated amount.

If you (the thread starter) thinks you've found the provider that, for $5.99/mo., will suppy you bandwidth/transfer in an unmeasured amount and won't regulate your usage, then your dreaming. Not only will you not receive unmeasured or unregulated amounts of bandwidth/transfer, you're likely to find all sorts of clauses in the TOS about what you can't do to ensure you'll never reach the unmetered amount you won't get in the first place.

If you have a site with high transfer needs, check the TOS of the providers you are considering carefully (good advice regardless), and then pass it through the common sense filter.

Question: "Is it real, or just a pipe dream?"

Answer: It is real in an, "ALL YOU CAN EAT*!!!" way...





*Must come to restaurant full.
Does not apply to lobster.
Does not apply to any other expensive menu item.
Offer valid only on Wednesdays 4 a.m. to 5 a.m.
Amount of food available determines unmetered portion.
Only applies to table salt, no other food item.
Restaurant closed Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.

Originally posted by Watcher_TVI
Exactly!

Why sell accounts that are unmetered but capped? That's like saying unmetered but not really.

Like I said in the examples I posted, I would much prefer conducting business with the Host in scenario 1 then the Host in scenario 2....

Not really.
They sell unmetered bandwidth in a caped line, they wont charge you for the overusage of that line, becuase you can't go over the 10 Mbps, you can use the whole 10 Mbps burstable capacity or 1 GB, it doesn't matter.
So, that's trully unmetered.

Originally posted by Watcher_TVI
Ok let's try it again...:)

A Host offering "unmetered" transfer is implying there is no metering of your transfer which is a false statement. They not only meter your transfer they cap it and will charge you or suspend your account for overages.

If your account was truly unmetered there would be nothing to monitor would there?

You catch up with me now?...;)

Let me see if I can slow down for you. I can see you are having trouble. ..:)

http://rackshack.net/english/celeron10mb.asp

1) Advertised as "Un-metered"

2) Not monitored.

- Care to show me where they meter it? They provide you a cap. Sure. Everything has limits. We are not discussing unlimited. But what I am saying as simple as I can - you are not being metered. They could care less how much you are using within that cap. They know the limit. Do they monitor to see if one guy is using 8 Meg average and another is using 1?? NO. End of point.

So in conclusion -

1) There are no extra charges.
2) I assure you that they do not monitor it. No reason. It is capped.
3) You will not be billed for use over what the piped line cost you in the price of the server.

If Rackshack is false adverting like you are emplying with -

A Host offering "unmetered" transfer is implying there is no metering of your transfer which is a false statement.

then please show me.

I understand this is small dog/puppy crap. However, unmetered is real. It is happening. And it is being done honestly.

Originally posted by Chicken


Answer: It is real in an, "ALL YOU CAN EAT*!!!" way...



*Must come to restaurant full.
Does not apply to lobster.
Does not apply to any other expensive menu item.
Offer valid only on Wednesdays 4 a.m. to 5 a.m.
Amount of food available determines unmetered portion.
Only applies to table salt, no other food item.
Restaurant closed Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.

OK. So it is all I can eat? Unless I am a complete idiot and need my hand held with everything I do, I certainly would read the Terms. Then make my decision. Maybe I only want to eat 5 pounds of salt? That is the beauty of choice. Plus I am not so naive to believe ad gimmicks without reading Terms. :)

Do they monitor to see if one guy is using 8 Meg average and another is using 1?? NO. In the first place that was a dedicated plan you referenced for $359.00 a month. There IS no one else on it so obviously a cap is fine. There would be no disputes, it's a dedicated box. We are talking apples to oranges here...


I was talking about shared environments, in which case everything I am saying holds true. On the other hand, your statements only hold true on a dedicated machine with a single client.

Oh and apparently you did NOT read "the terms" Chicken posted..Offer valid only on Wednesdays 4 a.m. to 5 a.m. Restaurant closed Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. No salt for you!! :emlaugh: :emlaugh: :emlaugh:

When you use vague and ambiguous language deceit usually abounds....;)

Oh I see. Now unmetered is ok in certain cases? Before you said it was all a lie. Maybe you should be more clear next time. I am not sure, but I believe almost all this thread relates to the RS deal. I thought you read it so you would have known earlier we were discussing dedicated. ;)

Take Care.

Originally posted by Chicken
If you (the thread starter) thinks you've found the provider that, for $5.99/mo., will suppy you bandwidth/transfer in an unmeasured amount and won't regulate your usage, then your dreaming.

Actually, I was looking into a dedicated server. I've already learned my lesson about "Unlimited Bandwidth" with shared hosting. ;)

All this information has been a great help. I really appreciate it. I'm just a newbie trying to learn. :)

Oh I see. Now unmetered is ok in certain cases? Before you said it was all a lie. Maybe you should be more clear next time. I am not sure, but I believe almost all this thread relates to the RS deal. Actually I think I said it was a crock....

You were the one that posted the RS deal not the thread starter and you posted that well after my initial comments. Since his current www is on a shared server, and he didn't mention a dedicated until his last post I assumed that he was looking for the *general* usage of unmetered. There is no unmetered transfer on a shared environment. I think you would agree that the majority of web site owners are on a shared environment.

It's really the difference between buying a dozen oranges at the store and a bin from the grower. At the store you count the oranges at the grower level it's as many as fit in the bin. Since the majority of people that eat oranges don't buy from the grower, well I'm sure you can see the difference now can't you?

I think you were speaking to the exception and I was speaking to the rule......

PS: Hows the salt? :emlaugh: