It looks like JumpLine is leaving Alabanza by the end of July ( http://jumpline.com/news.shtml .) It looks like they are planning to become Alabanzas competition as well ( http://jumpline.com/NEWS_host2host.shtml .) I was curious to know - how many servers does Jumpline have at Alabanza ? My Sales guy at Alabanza refused to tell me how many they are currently hosting. I asked Jumpline and they told me that they have about 35 servers there. Is this accurate ? Who are the other big players at Alabanza ? We have four servers there and I guess that just will not pull any clout ;-) . This might be good news for all of you that are looking for alternatives to Alabanza and VDI. If Jumpline takes all of the negatives and bugs out of Alabanzas software and releases a solid offering I thing they are going to give Alabanza a run for their money......ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAVE LOWER PRICES!!!

They have 22 servers. You can view a list at http://208.56.203.78/angel/index.html. 2 of their servers are down right now if you go by their monitoring system.

just fyi...

i spoke with keith at jumpline.com recently and i was just poking around to see if i could get any scoop on the new offerings they plan on releasing in july/august.

this is all i got:

-software is comparable with the DSM (supposedly better but keith is biased :)) --> but is supposed to pick up on certain aspects that alabanza leaves out like subdomains

-prices are supposed to be far lower then alabanza

-NOC is supposed to be extremely fast .. boasting OC-192 connectivity

i know it is not much folks, but it is all i could get :)

By the way the monitoring script Jumpline uses is located at http://www.mpa-garching.mpg.de/angel/ .

OC192?? hmm very doubtful I would ne cusrious what NOC hes at that has OC192

FYI Qwest has an OC192 connection at there columbus cybercenter:)

fyi..

-jumpline is based out of Columbus.

-Qwest's CyberCenter is in Columbus

-Qwest has OC-192 connectivity in this facility

-jumpline is using Qwest for their NOC so they will in fact have such a connection

I was going to say unless it was a tier 1 noc theres virtually no way theres going tobe that type of a connection laying around in a office building..

Well good for them, any competition is good competition, makes everyone stay on their toes :)

Originally posted by cbaker17
OC192?? hmm very doubtful I would ne cusrious what NOC hes at that has OC192

I've noticed that this is rather common in the industry, to confuse or mislead customers by stating what their fiber capacity is as opposed to how much they are using.

When someone says they have OC this or OC that, what that means is how much fiber they have in place-i.e. the maximum possible bandwidth available-NOT how much they are actually using. There is a thread kicking around here somewhere that reports VDI's using 4MBps on their new OC-3-this is equivalent to turning on your water faucet and letting it just drip, slowly.

OC Stands for Optical Carrier and these are fiberoptic cables, and unlike twisted pair copper phone lines that many T1's operate on, it is dynamically scalable to it's upper limit.

It is normal for your telco to have more fiber installed than your current needs-installing fiber requires that trenches be dug, permits be obtained, backhoes be deployed, and they don't want to have to come back and do it again if an upgrade is needed--we have a tremendous amount of fiber installed at our location-Verizon installed an OC-12 when they put it in, but we are only using a drop in the bucket.

OC-1 (52Mbps)

OC-3 (155Mbps):

OC-12 (690MBbps):

OC-24 (1.25 Gbps)

OC-48 (2.5 Gbps)

OC192 (10 Gbps)

Ask not how much capacity your NOC has, but how much of that they are actually using.

Caveat Emptor

Yea it kind of drive me nuts too, i mean when your at a tier 1 facility they dont allow you to burst up to oc192, you have to buy a chunk of bandwidth and thats all you can use your rate limited. To say you have a OC192 is very misleading...

But perhaps we are taking this post offtopic, back to the original content!

Jumpline is leaving ALabanza YEA!! :)

Does anyone know why they have decided to leave Alabanza?

Doesn't the fact that they are developing a competing technology violate their user agreement?

Franc

I can think of quite a few reasons they would be leaving Alabanza. However, I'm not entirely sure what user agreement you might be referring to, as the only thing I've ever seen out of Alabanza is standard contract language for payment of services.

Originally posted by Annette
I can think of quite a few reasons they would be leaving Alabanza. However, I'm not entirely sure what user agreement you might be referring to, as the only thing I've ever seen out of Alabanza is standard contract language for payment of services.

Most agreements that involve software usually forbid or restrict reverse engineering, or competing product development. If this were the case then there could be a conflict with them.

In a small area we are competitors and admirers of Alabanza, and as such, I am anxious to not repeat their "mistakes".

We can all learn from a discussion of this in my opinion.

Franc

The only restriction in place with regard to the standard contract is that Alabanza customers "may not remove, copy, or tamper with the software". Engineering a control panel is something that any number of firms or individuals do, and Alabanza might find themselves hard pressed to actually object unless someone were to lift whole slices of their code. I'm happy that Jumpline has decided to incorporate quite a few more useful features that are missing from most control panels. Their customers will be well served.

Nobody here on this list mentioned anything about Jumpline reverse engineering Alabanzas DSM ;-) . It is almost impossible to do that since Alabanza does not run any of their proprietary software off of the clients servers unlike CPanel etc.

Originally posted by successful
Nobody here on this list mentioned anything about Jumpline reverse engineering Alabanzas DSM ;-) . It is almost impossible to do that since Alabanza does not run any of their proprietary software off of the clients servers unlike CPanel etc.

What is Alabanza DSM?

Good points by Xensei on bandwidth. That is a VERY common misconception about hosting facilities. Almost all of them have the capability to do OC-192. Good question is what does the host have that they are paying for (lit fiber) and what is average throughput on their network.

I see tons of guys out there that are claiming OC-192 connectivity when they have DS-3's (or less) running. Big connect and cost difference.

Best Regards,

Hello,

It is good to hear that Jumpline has plans for the future...

For the time being it looks like they either have really bad techies who cut off users' quotas without any reason or notice, or they simply p*ss off current small fish customers. See my experience:
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=10947

They just ruined my day.

All the best,

rdx.

As a former Jumpline customer and current Alabanza reseller, we at One on One Internet are very interested in Jumplines new offering. We have talked to those guys since the days when Jumpline was 4 or 5 guys sitting on milk crates running a dedicated server company. Our experience with them was always positive. I actually talked to them a few weeks ago and they told me they have 22 servers and 14K customers. Quite an accomplishment, I would say.

As a current Alabanza customer, we certainly can understand why Jumpline is leaving Alabanza to compete with them. Anybody who has dealt with Alabanza knows they are chock full of issues. They nickel, dime and dollar us little guys to death. We were charged $240 extra last month for going 24 gig over our bandwidth quota ($10 per gig, we let a server get a little too full). I mean really, they are just too damn expensive.

I really believe that Jumpline can kick Alabanzas ass. And if they can significantly beat Alabanza price wise, we will be first in line to switch to Jumpline.

Go Jumpline!:D

Originally posted by Coran
As a current Alabanza customer, we certainly can understand why Jumpline is leaving Alabanza to compete with them. Anybody who has dealt with Alabanza knows they are chock full of issues. They nickel, dime and dollar us little guys to death. We were charged $240 extra last month for going 24 gig over our bandwidth quota ($10 per gig, we let a server get a little too full). I mean really, they are just too damn expensive.

I really believe that Jumpline can kick Alabanzas ass. And if they can significantly beat Alabanza price wise, we will be first in line to switch to Jumpline.

Go Jumpline!:D

i agree whole-heartedly with this entire post.... i hope that they come up with a way to seemlessly move clients from an alabanza box to thiers too. that would sure get some dedicated boxes set up quickly! (all of mine as well)

at any rate.... we cannot wait for jumpline's offerings!

What if you're in a contract with Alabanza?:(

Also, I think there will be many bugs for them to work out before even thinking of moving.:rolleyes:

I don't really understand, truthfully, the rave reviews before the fact about Jumpline's announcements. Sure, they have a good reputation, but that was at Alabanza. They have a good reputation for relibility, but we don't know anything at all about their ability to run a NOC -- their reliability has been Alabanza's reliability. We haven't seen any of the control panel or backend software they're talking about; the fact that they did a pretty good job of prettying up Alabanza's control panel is the only clue we've seen to any kind of technical ability on the part of their staff.

So I'm not arguing, because I also have no reason to think they'll screw it up either. And I'd certainly be happy to see the competition widen a little. But I'm curious, why the unbridled optimism?

Well, one point on that is that they won't be at their "own" NOC, but at Qwest's facility in OH, at least for now. I hear down the grapevine that there might be a demo of their new controls at some expo later this fall (might even be the one coming up, who knows). If it's as integrated with billing and client setup as the DSM and does even half of what they say, it will be a knockout.

Oops, right. I'd read the first part of this thread yesterday, and it was long day... forgot about the Qwest connection!

I agree, that they're saying about the software being developed sounds great... but it seems as if we're all accepting that it's all going to be everything they're saying it will be. As much as I'd want that to be true, I don't have enough optimism in me these days, I guess, to be as accepting of the idea that this is even going to "give Alabanza a run for their money," let alone "kick Alabanzas ass," both of which were said earlier in the thread. Wishful thinking?

Oh, heck no - at least I don't think that, although I know you weren't directing that at me specifically. Jumpline will have to work our their bugs just like Alabanza did. I'm happy for them, but I don't necessarily think this horse will run right out the gate without stumbling a hair here and there. I hope they succeed beyond their wildest dreams, as I do for most of the hosts I encounter.

Originally posted by JayC
As much as I'd want that to be true, I don't have enough optimism in me these days, I guess, to be as accepting of the idea that this is even going to "give Alabanza a run for their money," let alone "kick Alabanzas ass," both of which were said earlier in the thread. Wishful thinking?

good point. as many of us do have bad tastes in our mouths from all of the bad experiences we all have had in the past. --> making it tough to be optimistic.

however... i am just psyched about a new player (possibly) in the competition. it could be good for our choices even if it is not perfect right off of the bat...

just my 2 cents... :)