I'm very happy with FDC. Their service has been great. I'm running into a problem now. My server is pushing 6mbps, and since I'm on 100mbps shared line, it's won't go higher. I think I will almost certainly be upgrading to the dedicated 10mbps, for 360$ month. I already have a server there so I don't think there will be a setup fee. Is there a better deal anywhere?

you should be able to get more than 6mbps out of fdc. I'm running 10mbps on one of their celerons for 100 a month.

I emailed them once and their reply was that my server was pushing 5mbps and that was the reason for the slowdown. Sometimes it goes up to 10, then it drops. I supposed I should be satisfied with 6mbps paying 100/month.

Originally posted by anile8
I emailed them once and their reply was that my server was pushing 5mbps and that was the reason for the slowdown. Sometimes it goes up to 10, then it drops. I supposed I should be satisfied with 6mbps paying 100/month.

I would hope you would be, thats a steal even if it was pure cogent.

There is also united... you might wanna check it out...
there

$199 ( P4 ) our there $299 ( xeon servers )

Both it 3.000 Gb/s per mo. ( it no extra charge per GiG extra )

Both are 10 MB/s capped server.


:)

Just an ideia :)

Originally posted by hostingsp
There is also united... you might wanna check it out...
there

$199 ( P4 ) our there $299 ( xeon servers )

Both it 3.000 Gb/s per mo. ( it no extra charge per GiG extra )

Both are 10 MB/s capped server.


:)

Just an ideia :)


It's no cost for extra bandwidth because it's very probable that you can't push 3000gb through their network to begin with.

Dude his on fdc... are you sayng fdc is better than united ?


Do you have a server on united ?

Originally posted by hostingsp
Dude his on fdc... are you sayng fdc is better than united ?


Do you have a server on united ?

First of all, my statement had nothing to do with UnitedColo or FDC; and who was better.

Do the math yourself, 10mbit is 3164gb/month. It's a near impossibility to push a constant 10mbit to an external network. You WILL have overhead which will prevent you from ever pushing 10mbit constant, for 30 days, onto the internet.

That's not even taking into account network congestion and the load of UnitedColo's internal network.



Show me one 10mbit capped server that actually pushes 10mbit constantly; rather than 9.7 or 9.8mbit, and I'll gladly accept that I'm wrong.

Does United accept rom sites? My site ran into a few problems with the IDSA and the fellows over at FDC were lineant. My site is in agreement with the IDSA's clauses NOW but I don't know how UC would see that. Do you think the guys at FDC could match UC's price on the 10mbit? Maybe I should contact Petr. It's just that I heard so many awful things about UC here.

This shared 100mbit is already dying on me. My site is starting to top 25k uniques daily so you see where this is a problem. I also have a couple of other sites under way so nice speeds are a must.

Nuclear


I think I will almost certainly be upgrading to the dedicated 10mbps, for 360$ month

Hannn..... do you read people post's our you just search for post where on can speak bad about united ?


You prefered to be on a 100 MB/s uncapped shared it 24 people ?

Can you please see that not ervy body need burstable 100 MB/s ?


Let me ask you something...

What do you thing about this image...

[quote] anile8
PS : I don't know check it than :)

Originally posted by hostingsp




PS : I don't know check it than :)


My original post was not about 100mbit vs 10mbit. I was simply pointing out that the $0.00/gb charge for bandwidth over 3,000gb/month is a marketing tactic because if you are lucky enough to reach the 3,000gb mark, you won't be going very far over it and UCG knows this.

FDC offers guaranteed bandwidth supposedly. UnitedColo make no such offer; which is why there is a price difference. As for the author of the thread, if your site is mission-critical, it's best to go with a product you know you will receive rather than what you hope to receive.

As for that image, I don't know what that's about, but it's from a server that isnt' even pushing 6mbit...I have no clue how that's relevant.

<<edit>>

FDC's guaranteed bandwidth is on 100mbit burstable lines. The fact that it's guaranteed tells me that they *SHOULDN'T* be overselling it like the shared ones; and since it's not capped at 10mbit, for $360/month, the user very well can push 10mbit. That is the difference between FDC and UCG.

FDC offers guaranteed bandwidth supposedly. UnitedColo make no such offer;


Do they state what they guaranteed ? All Ok than... my mistake
( NOT )

I don't know why you talk bad about united servers if you never try than... i'm guessing you have a server on fdc than?

Originally posted by hostingsp



Do they state what they guaranteed ? All Ok than... my mistake
( NOT )

I don't know why you talk bad about united servers if you never try than... i'm guessing you have a server on fdc than?

FDC has a little chart just for their guaranteed bandwidth offer. 10mbit divided by $360 is $36/mbit --VERY cheap especially considering it's not Cogent. It's also burstable to 100mbit, meaning you can not only push your 10mbit, but go over it.

UnitedColo makes no guarantees on their bandwidth and cap their servers at 10mbit--which means with overhead, its unlikely 10mbit will ever be reached in a 30 day period.

So, tell me, if UnitedColo is guaranteed 10mbit, how are they offering it at less than $20/mbit? You can't even get Cogent that low.

Simple fact is, a guaranteed 10mbit connection is going to cost you; and the general pricerange of such is $350-$500 and even higher. You can, of course, go for the lower-end deals--but in the end there's that old saying 'You get what you pay for.'


And no, I do not have a server at FDC, nor do I plan to anytime in the forseeable future. Like I said before, I'm not even getting into the issue of what company is better...I'm speaking purely on technical terms.


<<edit>>

I should also add, that Rackshack offers 10mbit servers in the $350-$399/mo range. They use Cogent for outbound traffic, but you do in fact get the offered bandwidth (Granted you can really only push about 9.8mbit/sec on a constant feed)

Another company to look at would be Nocster/BurstNET; I believe they are a bit more expensive but do not use Cogent and they are multihomed.

I prefere united over fdc...

I'm not goin to go in this it you beacuse you don't have a server on united our fdc... Soh i guess you can't really say something about any off there services....

Do you know any one it the guaranted bandwight ?

How United is selling at that prices ?

If you can't see why and how than i guess you don't think too much..


Look at rs they have 6 GiG for over 9.000 client's almost all off than on 100 MB/s burtstable.... now on march 15 they will have 12 GiG-e and something about 10.000

If you are goin to ask me stuff like why and how they can guarante 100 MB/s for each server.....

But hey how can united guaranted 10 MB/s per server if they have about 700-800 client's all on 10 MB/s....

Any way back to the topic
anile8
I wold check it united if they accept rom and etc, but they are a good chose if you don't need 100 MB/s burst... :)

Any way good luck from me to you :beer: drink a cold on the end off the day it helps :)

Your posts make no sense at all anymore...


Soh i guess you can't really say something about any off there services....


I didn't say ANYTHING about service offered by either company. I don't care if it was Rackshack making the deals like UnitedColo. You are NOT going to be able to push 10mbit constantly down a 10mbit capped connection. It's just not going to happen.


Do you know any one it the guaranted bandwight ?


No, and I even originally stated that "FDC offers guaranteed bandwidth supposedly." I never said it was truly guaranteed, but for the price, it better be, and if it's not..that's a possible lawsuit because its advertised as guaranteed.


How United is selling at that prices ?

If you can't see why and how than i guess you don't think too much..


You don't know this answer yourself, because you clearly can't calculate what 10mbit of bandwidth equals in a month when you said earlier that extra bandwidth is free; implying you can get more than 10mbit out of a 10mbit capped connection.


Look at rs they have 6 GiG for over 9.000 client's almost all off than on 100 MB/s burtstable.... now on march 15 they will have 12 GiG-e and something about 10.000

If you are goin to ask me stuff like why and how they can guarante 100 MB/s for each server.....


I don't even see your point here, I mentioned Rackshack's 10mbit servers. They host their 10mbit servers on a different GigE, and those you do indeed get 10mbit on, I can say this from experience that a Rackshack 10mbit server will push a steady 9.8mbit (Don't forget there is overhead and you can't push an actual 10mbit) If you had any experience with rackshack at all, the cutoff point for their normal servers seems to be set around 15mbit per transfer; hence it being called burstable because you can have multiple transfers bursting up to 100mbit, but any given transfer will not go far above 15mbit.


But hey how can united guaranted 10 MB/s per server if they have about 700-800 client's all on 10 MB/s....


Ignoring the sarcasm in this point, they can't guarantee that. As far as I know, I'd be willing to bet they only have a GigE connection. Regardless, that isn't the point either...a 10mbit capped connection cannot push 10mbit for 30 days--it's that simple. At best you're going to get around 9.7 or 9.8mbit, which equals 3069gb and 3100gb respectively. Take into account that their network is only single-homed, sustain many DDoS attacks that interrupt service, and the fact that they are definitely overselling their bandwidth (Unlesss they have 8 GigE's sitting around which I doubt) and you're probably down to 9.5mbit or less.


Any way back to the topic


Yes, back to the topic. Anile8, I would take great caution if you wish to consider UnitedColo. I'm sure you can run a search to read all the negativity expressed on WHT; but this time I'm simply warning you that you will likely not get the full 3,000gb they offer because hardware speaking it just isn't feasible on their network. As for FDC, I really don't know how they offer guaranteed bandwidth on a single GigE line with the shared customers--my assumption would be that they do not grossly oversell the bandwidth on that section of their network. I'm sure Petr could explain it better than any of us. If you need an actual 10mbit of bandwidth per month, i would not recommend UnitedColo; I would instead recommend, Rackshack, Noctser/BurstNET, or possibly FDC if they can back up their guarantee. I have personal experience with both Racshack and Nocster servers, and I can tell you, if they offer 10mbit...you're going to get nothing less from them.

I'm not going to bother replying to this thread anymore as hostingsp has a habit of recommending UnitedColo as if they were the only provider on Earth. This would be fine, but if you're going to do so get your facts straight on how networks work first. If you want, I can explain further...just PM me and I'll be happy to get into further detail.

Nuclear you might wanna get better informed ok ?


The thing about rs i was speaking off there normal servers 100 MB/s burst and discusion about there backbone and etc....


About guaranted on the fdc issue, i'm goin to diss regards this beacuse :>

1° To they say what they guarante ?

2° Do they say how much they guaranted ?

3° The shared on guaranted is $99 and the guaranted is $99 and well i don't see a diference...

4° Why are you talking about there guarated services since he was thinking off getting the 10 MB/s.


Nuclear i don't think you mean wrong but you don't see the real things...

Do you remeber that 0 set-up that dedicatednow put and people complain beacuse the 0 set-up was for $50 bucks more a mo. on the same package and the set-up pack was something like $300 and $99, but another guy said they had the right to adverthise that beacuse they had that option about the no set-up fee....

Wich i agred later, but i got say beacuse i wanted to get there services but no for $50 extra our that high set-up fee...


But what i'm sayng is that they due adv. guaranted but they don't say what they guaranted.... get it ? [/g]


And if you get a server on united and
due 2.200 Gb/s off outbound traffic and 1.500 Gb/s off inbound you wold have to pay 700 Gb/s, but they don't charge extra.. soh that's a 10 MB/s dedicated....[b] get it ?

Originally posted by hostingsp
Nuclear you might wanna get better informed ok ?


The thing about rs i was speaking off there normal servers 100 MB/s burst and discusion about there backbone and etc....


About guaranted on the fdc issue, i'm goin to diss regards this beacuse :>

1° To they say what they guarante ?

2° Do they say how much they guaranted ?

3° The shared on guaranted is $99 and the guaranted is $99 and well i don't see a diference...

4° Why are you talking about there guarated services since he was thinking off getting the 10 MB/s.


Nuclear i don't think you mean wrong but you don't see the real things...

Do you remeber that 0 set-up that dedicatednow put and people complain beacuse the 0 set-up was for $50 bucks more a mo. on the same package and the set-up pack was something like $300 and $99, but another guy said they had the right to adverthise that beacuse they had that option about the no set-up fee....

Wich i agred later, but i got say beacuse i wanted to get there services but no for $50 extra our that high set-up fee...


But what i'm sayng is that they due adv. guaranted but they don't say what they guaranted.... get it ? [/g]


And if you get a server on united and
due 2.200 Gb/s off outbound traffic and 1.500 Gb/s off inbound you wold have to pay 700 Gb/s, but they don't charge extra.. soh that's a 10 MB/s dedicated....[b] get it ?

Sorry, but many people gave you some interesting hints in the past. Keep in mind that some people here are professionals, and a lot of what you keep saying doesn't make sense. Let me be straight here, no offense, but I want to help you a bit : in order to make Big Statements like you tend to do, you need some serious background (both technical and business experiences), but I wonder how you can have those if you never had (at least, until recently - don't know if that changed) any server so far. If you want to compare, do that based on facts, not on guesses and weird theories.

For example : explain me how UCG can keep their promises condidering what they offer and what they charge for it. Take real-life numbers and tell me how they can offer such quantities of transfer without making any losses. Use your imagination, give me some numbers, but I can guarantee you'll never get them out of the negative mark.

As far as I understood, you didn't have a server with UCG until a couple of days ago. Do you have one now ? I can tell you we had; and we've been with a great lot of providers, and constantly have 30-40 servers in our farms. But one thing I can tell you, is that we ran away from UCG as fast as we could. They think this business is a game - and they're so so wrong. And for that reason, I don't see how any serious business person can defend them (even before having any real-life experiences, and not by looking at numbers on a website...).

Carl

Originally posted by Mango
... I can tell you we had; and we've been with a great lot of providers, and constantly have 30-40 servers in our farms. But one thing I can tell you, is that we ran away from UCG as fast as we could. They think this business is a game - and they're so so wrong. And for that reason, I don't see how any serious business person can defend them (even before having any real-life experiences, and not by looking at numbers on a website...).

Carl


Carl, what was the reason for leaving UCG? PM me if you prefer that

I contacted Petr and he said for $300/month I can get a 10+mbps line with Cogent, not Yipes. He said I WILL get 10mbps and probably more. Should I take this deal? My server is already there. Not having to move would be nice. Does UCG even offer Win2k?

Originally posted by anile8
I contacted Petr and he said for $300/month I can get a 10+mbps line with Cogent, not Yipes. He said I WILL get 10mbps and probably more. Should I take this deal? My server is already there. Not having to move would be nice. Does UCG even offer Win2k?

10mbps on Cogent sounds more realistic for the given price. UCG Will only offers Win2k if you provide a license for them, and in some cases I've heard you have to provide the CD because their cds don't work with all licenses.

Originally posted by hostingsp
Nuclear you might wanna get better informed ok ?


The thing about rs i was speaking off there normal servers 100 MB/s burst and discusion about there backbone and etc....


About guaranted on the fdc issue, i'm goin to diss regards this beacuse :>

1° To they say what they guarante ?

2° Do they say how much they guaranted ?

3° The shared on guaranted is $99 and the guaranted is $99 and well i don't see a diference...

4° Why are you talking about there guarated services since he was thinking off getting the 10 MB/s.


Nuclear i don't think you mean wrong but you don't see the real things...

Do you remeber that 0 set-up that dedicatednow put and people complain beacuse the 0 set-up was for $50 bucks more a mo. on the same package and the set-up pack was something like $300 and $99, but another guy said they had the right to adverthise that beacuse they had that option about the no set-up fee....

Wich i agred later, but i got say beacuse i wanted to get there services but no for $50 extra our that high set-up fee...


But what i'm sayng is that they due adv. guaranted but they don't say what they guaranted.... get it ? [/g]


And if you get a server on united and
due 2.200 Gb/s off outbound traffic and 1.500 Gb/s off inbound you wold have to pay 700 Gb/s, but they don't charge extra.. soh that's a 10 MB/s dedicated....[b] get it ?

I really wish you would stop misinforming people in these forums. I have already stated that if somebody can show me I'm wrong, I'll gladly accept that because I have no problem with being wrong--but you're just spewing out meaningless information that is almost completely false with no basis to back any of it up.

FDC, YES they do say exactly what they guarantee.

Bandwidth Cost Details
1.5TB/month $189/month (approx. 5mbit feed)
3TB/month $359/month (approx. 10mbit feed)
4.5TB/month $499/month (approx. 15mbit feed)
6TB/month 599/month (approx. 20mbit feed)
7.5TB/month $699/month (approx. 25mbit feed)
9TB/month $799/month (approx. 30mbit feed)

Petr has said these are pure Cogent feeds and that if you order 10mbit you're going to get 10mbit. I have no reason to doubt him because if this is Cogent bandwidth, $36/mbit is not unreasonable in this case.

Why am I talking about their guaranteed services? Because that's what the thread starter asked about to begin with!! He clearly stated he was asking about their dedicated, guaranteed, $360/month service which is exactly what I've been talking about.

DedicatedNOW has nothing to do with this; they may have been misleading about the setup fees but they did notify customers before charging them of the fees, and their order page has been since adjusted. While annoying, there's not much you can do about that unless they were charging customers the setup fee without telling them first.

Apparently you still haven't figured out anything about networking. You simply cannot transfer more than 3100gb through a 10mbit connection. It doesn't matter if it's inbound or outbound, or a combination...you CANT DO IT. Now, if the connected wasn't capped at 10mbit it would be more than possible to transfer more; but the fact is that it's capped at 10mbit. I can't believe you are even calling UnitedColo's offer a "10 MB/s dedicated" because it's nowhere near that because it's not guaranteed that you'll get 10mbit from their network. Secondly, if it was 10mbit dedicated I'm sure UnitedColo would be advertising it as such because it would be misleading people even further--which is what they're good at.

<<edit>>

I'll stand corrected on the full-duplex issue; however that doesn't change my argument that you aren't going to be pushing more than 3,000gb on UnitedColo. Even if the router ports are 10mbit full duplex theoretically allowing a customer to transfer 6200gb/month (which i strongly doubt), you're going to try to tell me that suddenly 10mbit worth of bandwidth is FREE!? There's this thing called an economy, I don't know about yours, but ours wouldn't survive by giving away resources like that. In the Real World, bandwidth costs, and it's expensive if you're not talking Cogent. With FDC You can clearly see that $360/month is resonable because it is in line with industry prices on what Cogent costs per mbit. If UnitedColo can suddenly offer non-cogent bandwidth at $19/mbit for 10mbit, and, theortecially if this is full duplex allowing 10mbit in and out at the same time, that would be 20mbit for $9.95/mbit. If you truly believe you are going to get bandwidth at those prices, you are seriously mistaken. Bandwidth is expensive for a reason, because its a limited resources, and to guarantee that you get what you pay for, you have to raise prices. If you suddenly offer a limited resource for free, you won't be able to guarantee the quality of the product.

Look at ARIN and the IP guidelines. IP Addresses are a limited resource. In the beginning the guidelines weren't as strict. Now, because they are running out, they are charging membership fees, and you can only get addresses if they meet very strict requirements. Giving out IP addresses for free isn't going to work; because eventually you will run out.

10mbps servers your choices in the price range you want are
1- rackshack, amazing network, i believe but i could be wrong that your 10mbps from now on will be mfn not cogent, great staff 24 7, great hardware, but not flexible.
2- nocster , hmm:) yup with the reputation to match. reasonable network although no where near the size of rackshacks. cheap cpanel and server management.
3- ugc, it would be more reliable if your data was transfered by carrier pidgeon. getting better though.
4- fdc, single homed for the moment but then again most of the others are, have had troubles but yipes is a good feed. if its cogent only at those prices then its not so amazing but they seem to be a company that are a bit more willing to go the extra mile then rackshack, more flexible.

personally im just going to make it more difficult for you and suggest you get a 2nd server and balance the transfers. makes more sense to me. retain burstability and your current setup and just bang on another server and balance the traffic, and then you have 2x6mbps for 2x100.

Originally posted by richy
10mbps servers your choices in the price range you want are
1- rackshack, amazing network, i believe but i could be wrong that your 10mbps from now on will be mfn not cogent, great staff 24 7, great hardware, but not flexible.
2- nocster , hmm:) yup with the reputation to match. reasonable network although no where near the size of rackshacks. cheap cpanel and server management.
3- ugc, it would be more reliable if your data was transfered by carrier pidgeon. getting better though.
4- fdc, single homed for the moment but then again most of the others are, have had troubles but yipes is a good feed. if its cogent only at those prices then its not so amazing but they seem to be a company that are a bit more willing to go the extra mile then rackshack, more flexible.

personally im just going to make it more difficult for you and suggest you get a 2nd server and balance the transfers. makes more sense to me. retain burstability and your current setup and just bang on another server and balance the traffic, and then you have 2x6mbps for 2x100.

Those are very good recommendations, I would stand behind those myself. The rackshack 10mbit servers; at first I too believed they were being switched over to MFN because I saw a post where Cogent was only going to be used as a backup line or where Cogent was the fastest route, but I saw a post by HeadSurfer where he contradicted that and stated Cogent was only going to be used for outbound traffic on the 10mbit servers. I just did a trace from one of those 10mbit servers and outbound appears to be Cogent still :(

How would I go about splitting the load over the 2 servers? That would be much cheaper. I'm using win2k.

Originally posted by anile8
How would I go about splitting the load over the 2 servers? That would be much cheaper. I'm using win2k.

I'm sure there are more technical ways of doing this, but the easiest method would be to split your bandwidth intensive files across 2 servers. Example, if you're hosting video files, place them on a server by themselves or move the bulk of them to a second server.

Mango

You are sayng that you prefere fdc than united ?



PS : it din't take long to come up something about than http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=105152

hostinsp, what on gods green earth do you have in your mind that causes you to ignore any faults with ugc. fdc are not perfect, in fact theyve dropped some clangers that would have the soup dragons in fits, but they do try, and theyre getting quite a lot better these days.
lets have a quick look at ugc, this is a company that stated when opening that its main aim was to convert its revenue stream from its colo business into assets in the form of servers. hell that makes no sense, the depreciation alone would be frightening, and the intangible benefits would be mild at best in the current marketplace. why on earth anyone sees blowing capital on servers as more worthwhile then earning interest on it. sure its one thing to sinkmoney into diversification of your product line, but to use it to justify 49 dollar servers on a second rate network is lunacy. they then went on to ignore and rewrite their sla's.
having said that they have a better network now but as i dont have a server there right now i can only gague their current progress by what others are saying, but as im saying a more positive thing now, you shouldnt have a problem with that.



if you really like ugc, and you want them to do well, keep your fingers away from the keyboard. your rantings just make them look worse. as for splitting them, keep www. on your current server and www1. on the new one and just put half the files on the 2nd server and change your links accordingly, thats the simplest way, or a random redirect script.

ps- im not even going to bother doing a search for threads about ugc, theyre common enough. the point is to help this person. my personal opinion is if you can push 5-6 mbps per server for 100 bucks a month, id take two. that way your server load capacity scales with bandwidth requirements, and you save 33-50% of the cost of a 10mbps server.

Well, Petr said Cogent costs 30$/meg so 300$ is the set price. He said I'll probably get 15mbps on the line. As for getting the 2 servers, looks like FDC is all sold out. :(

What to do? What to do?

yeah but cogent versus yipes, if he was to give you 15mbps of cogent on yipes ip's with hot failover to yipes when cogent dies then its pretty damn fine, not that the pricing your getting isnt fine enough. cogent arent having an easy time right now, and things could turn nasty, the ip issue is a minor one if you only have one server and one site, but the backup if cogent dies is fairy important if you generate revenue from your sites. ask directly about servers, rather then the site, see if they have a cancellation or something.

Originally posted by hostingsp


You are sayng that you prefere fdc than united ?



PS : it din't take long to come up something about than http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=105152

Well... you surprise me again. Quote me where I preferred FDC over UCG. I didn't even mention them.
While Petr is a great guy, I didn't take anyone's side, but why do you suggest I said so ??

EDIT : do you actually have *any* server anywhere ? Answering this question might clear up a lot of things... I'm sorry for saying it in such words, but I really can't follow your theories anymore... Perhaps we're all wrong, or perhaps someone else is... ?

Carl

he apparently has a server at rackspace and is getting or has just got one at ugc, but for someone whose first posts were protesting that ugc were excellent because he had to get a 9 bucks server because he had no money for expensive servers elsewhere i fail to see how he managed to service the payments on a rackspace server.

why take advice off someone who cant even figure out how many gb a month 10mbps is? :)

I guess this is the 3 our 4 time i say this...


I have a shared server on rackspace it a friend but i'm moving to another server....

I din't decide where i'm goin to get server but i'm thinking 24/7 :(


I think fdc is good but first i don't like there AMD i prefere intel servers, and i don't like a services where it's unmetered... it's nothing sayng how much you will get....


<: edit due to ricky post :>

Why don't you go atack some body else ?
I have my ideia you have yours, you can't disc. that on a good maner ?

I wanted to ask beacuse i din't know if there 10 MB/s was capped higher and i wanted to hear what the rs tech guy advise me to push out off a 10 MB/s..


Now ricky don't address any new coment's our atacks to me ok ?

then i would suggest you look to nocster. my diferences with them aside, they are probably about the cheapest you will get a dedicated managed server, and i think you do need a managed server. its managed, 300gb guaranteed, intel servers if you wish with cpanel as well.

--
heh its richy actually, but pedantics aside, i was merely making sure someone didnt make the mistake of taking your advice seriously. remember when you first came here, i was one of the people who patiently explained in great detail why you were incorrect in your assumptions. you just havent taken any notice. hell even my pet rat learns.

ricky

I don't need a managed server

hell even my pet rat learns.

LOL...thanks for that...I needed a good laugh! :laugh: