I see a couple of promising options for billing software that have been posted here, unfortunately both are currently in beta. :bawling:

Are there any decent billing solutions available now?

I have purchased WebHost 5.3 from SolutionHost. Shortly after my purchase (about 2 days later) they pulled the plug on their support forums. I'm not actually suprised.


So is there anything decent available today?

try to search for "billing" at this forum,

there are few thread weeks ago regarding billing software.

:)

Ubersmith is the new cleint/billing/ticketing system put out by voxel.net I have been on the beta for a while and should be up on their dedicated Ubersmith server any day now. Works like a charm and integrates with their control panel and ticketing systems.

http://www.voxel.net/projects/cbms/

Hi

Our Beta is now released and we have demo available

Check out the Turnkey Billing Solution Thread (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10509)

I've checked out the demo of CBMS and their dedicated system and I must say that I'm very impressed. The best I've seen so far. Very neat, fast and usefull. You should check it out. You have to contact him so he can take you on a tour of it.

CAhost:

I have seen your entries on the demo system. Last night I got on my own system of Ubersmith and will be customizing it for my own business. The software is very intuitive and great for both the clients (real time billing, payment options, editing account information, event log) and administration (system or client wide packages, rt invoices, support manager, stastics, overdue invoices, automatic invoices, password generation, the works!).

Will you be using it also?

-zac

I plan on using it once they fully implement it. I really like the software. I wish you could tie it into a CP so it creates the account for you when the domain account gets created. But either way I like.

Actually, their integration with AWESOM (voxel's inhouse control panel) should be completed within the next few days. It will be very cool. You will be able to create/add/edit domains/accounts from inside Ubersmith that will reflect on your server. It will really be a total solution.

-z

Originally posted by sifuhall
I have purchased WebHost 5.3 from SolutionHost. Shortly after my purchase (about 2 days later) they pulled the plug on their support forums. I'm not actually suprised.

The forum is still alive and working @ http://www.solutionroad.com/cgi-bin/forum/view.pl if you want to check it out.

I actually got a better response by email - problems resolved in 2 days.

-Robert

so when is ubersmith coming out? i've been waiting for a program like this...

I believe 1.0 beta is set for tomorrow.

Ubersmith looks spectacular... I wonder if AWESOM will be available also ?

hey all,

thanks for the kind words.

the team here at voxel has been working pretty hard on getting ubersmith up for its first release. we're using it internally to support our entire client base, so we're eating our own dogfood ;-) -- the software has to be good.

anyway, the plan is to do a release very very soon. there are some last minute customization features that we're working on -- so that hosts can change the look and feel of the product.

as for awesom, well yes, it will be awesome. it's going to be the best control panel around. the architecture is phenomenal. it supports the abstraction of different services (such as mail,dns,web) onto different machines while keeping it completely seamless for the user. it's an XML backed, highly tested, extremely scalable panel that will be available very very shortly.

Stay tuned. Things are really moving fast here - and I think people are going to be pleased at our various offerings.

Thanks for your interest!


Raj Dutt

cahostnet,

tying it into the server side of things so that when you add a package, the package is automagically created on the server is on the feature list. ;)

it's one of the most important features for the product.

keep the suggestions and comments coming!

rd.

will AWESOM works with qmail-vpopmail and proftpd that are using mysql for authentication ?

Its there a way of integrating ubersmith with Cpanel?

I only need the billing side of things not a new control panel.

Where can I see a demo of AWESOM and will it work on FreeBSD?

I heard somewhere on WHT that the next CPanel will have billing................but I'm not quite sure :)

eddie,

im not sure if cpanel integration will be a feature. could you be specific of how you see it integrating with cpanel?

you're not the first person to request this -- we're looking into it.

rd.

What? We are looking into it?
EVERYBODY wants billing integrated with cpanel!!!

Automatic email invoices and many more stuff like that...

Nopzor:
Well automated setup of accounts,
Simalar to what billadmin does with cpanel.
We all have been waiting a long time for a billing solution that intagrates with cpanel.

WHNBilling integrates with cpanel. Search for WHNBilling here for more info.

Teck: I know WHNBilling integrates with cpanel :)
But they do not support Worldpay nor Revecom for cc processing.

So I am hoping that Ubersmith could be integrated with cpanel as I have used CBMS and its a great program.

Originally posted by nopzor
you're not the first person to request this -- we're looking into it.

As you can see there a few people interested that would be a good indication as to the features you should add ;)

Yup, some people just don't want to listen to us, the users...

come on that's a bit harsh. we do listen to our users :-P

about a dozen hosts are using ubersmith at the moment. and over 40 changes have been made over the past 2 weeks.

stay tuned for an announcement regarding cpanel very soon.

raj.

We just launched with the new ubersmith for us and our clients, and so far we are loving it, and the support has been great, not to mention the features we are looking for and requested are being added very readily.

Go VOXEL. Good job.

:D

Hmmm, if what you say is true I take my words back nopzor.

So, are you going to make it integrate with cpanel if wanted? Does it also has an auto signup for cpanel/WHM then?

Now that would be cool...

BillAdmin 2.0 is going to be available within the next 30 to 60 days. It's already about 75% complete at the moment; it's just missing a few integral features that I have to finish before taking it live. Site5 will probably be using it for our internal billing within the next couple of weeks (we're really looking forward to it :D).

I'll try to get a live demo up sometime within the next few weeks...

Best Regards,
Matt Lightner
mlightner@site5.com

Matt, is Bill Admin going to have Worldpay CC Integration or is it just going to be available for US clients like the others with just Authorize.net and the like?

That is wha I like about CBMS I could use worldpay...

I have many Canadian clients which is why I use sfcommerce.com as my cc processor. I would be great if one of these billing programs could be integrated with my merchant account (I know all the protocols since I work here, so I know it wouldn't be that hard).

I'm not going to start charging my Canadian clients in US dollars. That wouldn't be acceptable to them, just as it wouldn't be acceptable to my US clients to be billed in Canadian dollars.

Originally posted by eddie
Matt, is Bill Admin going to have Worldpay CC Integration or is it just going to be available for US clients like the others with just Authorize.net and the like?

That is wha I like about CBMS I could use worldpay...
No, BillAdmin will not support WorldPay.

It is aimed at US and European clients who intend to bill in either dollars or pounds.

Best Regards,
Matt Lightner
mlightner@site5.com

European clients? You mean English clients because in the Netherlands we have guilders ;-)

BTW, next year Europe will have Euro's except England offcourse because they think they do not belong to Europe...

Oh well.

Is implementing a thing like Worldpay such a hard thing to do Matt or is it a lack of interrest ?

Domenico

Originally posted by Domenico
European clients? You mean English clients because in the Netherlands we have guilders ;-)

Yes, Englich clients. ;)

BTW, next year Europe will have Euro's except England offcourse because they think they do not belong to Europe...

Oh well.

Indeed.

Is implementing a thing like Worldpay such a hard thing to do Matt or is it a lack of interrest ?

To tell you the truth, I'm not exactly sure how difficult it is, as they provide little information about their services to developers. At this point, it's simply a lack of interest combined with the fact that integrating this would take a significant amount of research on my part. From what little information I have gathered, it doesn't look like it will work correctly with the current system structure, and therefore would take quite a bit of code-reworking to implement.

Best Regards,
Matt Lightner
mlightner@site5.com

Is billadmin a service or software?

Originally posted by der Kaas
Is billadmin a service or software?
It is currently a service.

We are considering providing full, private, managed BillAdmin servers once the new version is out. This will allow you to offer BillAdmin to your customers, as well as customize the look and feel of the program... however that's a few months off.

Best Regards,
Matt Lightner
mlightner@site5.com

Originally posted by Site5-Matt


To tell you the truth, I'm not exactly sure how difficult it is, as they provide little information about their services to developers.

Matt I have offerd to give all the information you need for the integration with worldpay several months ago.

I have all the information you need and I can give you the contacts form worlpay tech if you need more info.

I sell in US dollars but I can not use Authorize.net because its not available in Australia.

Originally posted by eddie


Matt I have offerd to give all the information you need for the integration with worldpay several months ago.

I have all the information you need and I can give you the contacts form worlpay tech if you need more info.

I sell in US dollars but I can not use Authorize.net because its not available in Australia.
Hi Eddie,

Thanks for the offer. I may decide to take you up on that in the future... however as things look presently it's probably not going to happen; simply because there are many other things that are higher priority.

Regards,
Matt Lightner
mlightner@site5.com

Ubersmith ties in with Revecom? If someone can tell me how it integrates with Revecom, then I want it..I want it!

Just want to give a heads up to the voxel team. I've written billing software before and after checking out the Ubersmith screenshot, while it looks very impressive I am noticing a detail that may create problems...

I noticed that rebilling is I assume based on the "monthly payment date"... which in the screenshot is 2. But unless you round dates 29-31 down to 28 (which would leave up to 3 days of non-billable days depending on the month) it will make any accounts created on the 29th, 30th, and 31th sporadic depending on the month.

There are functions the correct the logic of this (for examlpe, if the account is created today 05/28/2001, add 30 days to that and you get 06/27/2001 and not 07/02/2001 if the logic were absent, it would assume May and June were a 28-day months, big problem)... but just want to make sure that isn't overlooked.

so when is ubersmith slated for release, after trying cbms, i'm eager to try ubersmith. i have one question though, i was planning on using cbms but i didnt want to re setup everything when ubersmith comes out. will all my information carry over or should i just wait until the stable release of ubersmith comes out.

Originally posted by eddie

I sell in US dollars but I can not use Authorize.net because its not available in Australia.

eddie,

take a look at Payment Planet instead. It's the international 'version' of authorize.net



Worldpay and other 3rd party providers probably couldn't be incorporated into the billing systems mentioned here. By the way they are set up legally you're required to use the forms on their servers, and can't really pass on, or collect, CC information. I'm pretty sure it's to do with the difference between you being a full merchant and just someone using a billing provider.

Greg Moore

Originally posted by akashik


eddie,

take a look at Payment Planet instead. It's the international 'version' of authorize.net



Worldpay and other 3rd party providers probably couldn't be incorporated into the billing systems mentioned here. By the way they are set up legally you're required to use the forms on their servers, and can't really pass on, or collect, CC information. I'm pretty sure it's to do with the difference between you being a full merchant and just someone using a billing provider.

Greg Moore

Shouldn't that be Planet Payment!?

yes it should :eek:

You'd think I'd know which way it goes by now wouldn't you :D

Greg Moore

I know about them, but have you seen their prices :mad: , and they also keep on changing their prices.

I as said before there must be a way of integrating a billing system with providers like worldpay. If major shopping carts integrate with them I am sure there is a way.

And That is why I keep on asking for integration and if we get enough people asking for the same thing the programmers will certainly look at integrating. :)

The reason very few billing programs support the likes of worldpay, [insert non merchant payment gateway here] is simply because they do not provide an interface that is useable with the billing systems.

Instead of auto charging accounts, you would have to send an email or something to the client with a link for them to pay the bill. If enough people made firm orders for a version that supported say worldpay, then I would be happy to integrated into our WHNBilling system.

But the Client would have to understand that a lot of the functionality of the billing software is lost with this step...the key integration would no longer be accessible while using the non standard gateway.

It's very time consuming rewriting all the code for a non standard gateway because the gateway doesn't accept credit card details, only forwards the client to a page on the merchant processors server.

My 2 cents...

regards,

Simon