CNN Breaking News:
North Korea says it will withdraw from global nuclear non-proliferation treaty.

:rolleyes:

I say there is a nuclear war by June, wether it be Pakistan and India, or the Koreas, or the United States and Iraq/N. Korea

when can't we all just get along :bawling:

Originally posted by JeremyV
when can't we all just get along :bawling:

I agree with you as well, but history is known to repeat itself.

There has to be a reason why they are hell bent on making nukes.

Originally posted by AceWeb
CNN Breaking News:
North Korea says it will withdraw from global nuclear non-proliferation treaty.

:rolleyes:

I think everyone saw that coming :)

Yup, the old quote "Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it" holds well in this case. As humans we've failed to have learned any lesson from the past and we continue with our war making ways....Well the people we put in power to represent us have failed. ;)

ahh this world is going to hell in a hand basket...

Originally posted by ljprevo

There has to be a reason why they are hell bent on making nukes.

If I was running NK and Bush (with nuke arsenal) pointing the finger at me and calling me the "axis of evil", d@mn right I'll be beefing up my defense.

Don't know if this is the reasoning or an excuse, but non-the-less, somebody/gov handed them an opportunity/excuse/reason to do so.



[disclaimer]
I'm not pro NK nor US, nor anything else. These are just opinions.

Has more to do with past historical grievences actually.

The Korean War to be exact. Mad partly because of Japan and the US involvement in that war which was seen strictly as a Korean issue, not a US & Japan beat on them thing.

I think I'm an axis of evil......

Originally posted by Hostkookster
Well the people we put in power to represent us have failed.

They haven't failed themselves.

I say there is a nuclear war by June, wether it be Pakistan and India, or the Koreas, or the United States and Iraq/N. Korea

Doubtful.

Pakistan and India.. slight chance.

Originally posted by Kiwi


They haven't failed themselves.

I just find it ironic that we do have a memorial for those who fought in the World Wars. Wasn't that supposed to have reminded us that war is in the strictest of sense Hell on Earth and that no human being should be subject to it. Country leaders haven't really taken that to heart. Probably because there is a whole new generation of leaders who never went through the World Wars and have absolutely no idea what a waste of life and resources war is. It's always better to send in the troops while you sit at home in your office and place your pieces on a map similar to Risk, while the real people fighting experience horror beyond all imagination.

I can see a whole new generation of "hippies" coming along within the next decade similar to the 70's. War seems to be a human past time - we are always in conflict with one another.

Well theres my rant - War Sucks Period.:angry:

Originally posted by Hostkookster


I just find it ironic that we do have a memorial for those who fought in the World Wars. Wasn't that supposed to have reminded us that war is in the strictest of sense Hell on Earth and that no human being should be subject to it. Country leaders haven't really taken that to heart.


Country leaders don't go to war.

Originally posted by SublimeHost
Country leaders don't go to war.

Yeah, eating pretzels (http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/01/13/bush.fainting/index.html) is dangerous enough.

Originally posted by Kiwi


Yeah, eating pretzels (http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/01/13/bush.fainting/index.html) is dangerous enough.

Exactly lol

I think India and Pakistan understand the MAD policy that kept the U.S. and Russia from nuking each other during the cold war. However, I have no clue what North Korea would do, that is worrisome.

LOL@ the pretzel comment, that was a riot.

i think USA has been kicked in the behind =-))

Originally posted by SublimeHost



Country leaders don't go to war.

Ok, then since when have the people been able to vote whether or not to be involved in a war? I know the country goes to war but it's the leaders that make such a decision. I should clarify better :D

I actually don't think its going to go down... My reasons behind this comment >

1.) I believe in God and I prayed about this matter, so Im very confident and not worrying about this anymore.

2.) I believe its nothing but Do this or Ill do this to you. I actually don't think a country would Nuke or atleast try to Nuke a country that they need so much. (Trading and etc) Unless they are down right just plain stupid.

3.) I think withdrawing for the Global Nuclear non-proliferation treaty is just to give us a little more scare, but won't actually do it..


Hey, Maybe im right, and Maybe im wrong... But I do Believe.

North Korea isnt going to commit suicide (start a nuclear war with the United States)... They are talking **** to try to save face, and thats it.

-Brendan

I agree, it would be suicide if they nuked, although their nukes wouldn't even reach the U.S., unless they've also got a secret ICBM program too...which I doubt.

Japan and South Korea are the most worried ones, and well within range.

This is purely my take on it, but it's not the nukes that worries the South Koreans I think, it's the 12,500 pieces of artillery within 30 miles of Seoul, they could do ungodly amounts of damage to the nerve center of S. Korea before the U.S. and allies could even react. Not to mention some 500,000 jack-booted zealot N Korean soldiers compared to the U.S. 70,000 guys. Technology advantages or not, no one wants to get into that kind of war.

The US by treaty is required to get involved if South Korea is ever invaded/attacked by the North. While this was much more serious in the past - USSR backed N. Korea w/ its ICBMs - there's still a serious threat from these guys offering a nuclear catering service to those crazy enough to kill someone without fear of recourse. It's a known fact extremists like Bin Laden have worked hard to acquire a nuclear arsenal and to this date have luckily failed.

...all it takes is one bomb. With a growing number of warheads and those capable of manufacturing them it makes you wonder why we've so quickly forgotten about things like START and START 2 treaties which good ol' dubya backed out of this past year.

Welcome to the 21st century.

-Matt

now ,i dont agree with all of u.
its offcial now,u cant even put ecnomic restrictions on N.Koria
i see this very funny,while USA is going crazy about empty iraq,its saying no need for war with "POWEREFULL" korea
i say bush is chicken"not our mod' to even put restrictions on korea.
the idea is not that countries like japan and S.korea are afraid,the idea is that they are happy for N.korea move,so as everyone in 3RD world.
now that we can see how USA is douple balanced,and douple faced.i think this will be the start of the end for USA "stincky" forgin deplomacy.
on other hand,im sure iran will start its own program in secret now,like india started couple o days ago.
so if u cant read well,i think u should reread
today korea,who knows whos next.
thats what happen when u pointur guns to the weak "iraq",it shows ur weakness.
so i dont want to hear no more ,that usa is keeping peace and those kinda stuff.
if ur not going to war in Korea,then dont go to war in IRAQ.

Have you been drinking or something creedance?
South Korea and Japan are not "happy" about North Korea having nukes, nor are they 3rd World countries.

Anyways, RackNine, ever taken a look at the START treaties? It's amazing how many nukes, ICBMs,SLBMs, etc. that are still allowed under them. Enough to kill damn near every living thing under the sun.

I am a states citizen, no disrespect to the country, but who are we to talk. We are so worried about everyone having nukes, maybe one or two, we created the beast. And im sure we have a couple thousand nukes laying around ready to be deployed. We talk to much trash, and eventually groups like the koreans, chinese, iraqians and more are going to group up on us and let us have it.

Luckily I live in new jersey, and I think im out of NUKE range from korea.

iraqians, lol, no offense directed at you vigor, that just sounds funny.

Ya, if I were in South Korea or Japan right now i'd be terrified of N Korea's sudden back out of the nuclear proliferation treaty.

Ya, if N Korea ever did attack any of their neighbours they would get a serious beating. There would be no World War Three, rather it would be a repeat of the Gulf War - total defeat....It would seem like the N korean's are talking tough but why would they want to go up against all of the world powers? Hatred has clouded human judgement many times before, and I don't think this case is any exception.

As well the US should stop its supposed role as being the world police. They certainly aren't making any friends because of it. :D

"As we speak the Russians have 2700 nukes pointed at us."
"Yes, but its the man who has one which i'm worried about"
--The sum of all fears

Originally posted by Hostkookster
It would seem like the N korean's are talking tough but why would they want to go up against all of the world powers?
You would hope they're simply bluffing, but they're getting more and more hard nosed with every moment. Just about every major world player has condemned this, South Korea even calling it a matter of life and death.

Originally posted by MDJ2000

You would hope they're simply bluffing, but they're getting more and more hard nosed with every moment. Just about every major world player has condemned this, South Korea even calling it a matter of life and death.

Ya, it's strange because they aren't getting anywhere with what they are saying - it's only increasing the odds of a major ass whooping.

Unfortunately, they have (so I read) the 8th largest military in the world, spice that up with a few dashes of fanaticism, add some communist propaganda, and there's some big trouble for their neighbors. Even China is pissed off at N. Korea, something is going to happen soon, whatever does happen.

Not sure if someone has mentioned this yet..

But seriously, If North Korea makes a decision that they're going to blow up another country, I seriously doubt a Treaty of any stature is going to stop them...

Does anyone honestly beleive that we are less safe because this nutball of a leader publicly says he no longer binds to a piece of paper...

Trust me if that guy wants to blow up Japan, he would have done so whenever the hell he wanted or wants....

you guys...you crack me up sometimes....

Lay off the AUP's..it's messing with your heads :D

Of course there is nothing to stop them from doing something really stupid. They could have just gone in and blown a neighbour up however international politics is very public and it doesn't stay covered up for long. The fact that N. Korea began a nuclear program was news enough that everyone knows about it.

Obviously N. Korea is looking for something, but just how far are they willing to take this is the question. Stranger things have happened, but diplomacy doesn't seem to be doing the job unfortunately. N. Korea just keeps digging their grave.

They may have the 8th largest army in the world, but they have a small tiny piece of land. Now just compare that to China's resources and land. If N. Korea does attack anyone it's not going to be pretty. If they do attack it will most certainly be S. Korea. Easy Target, within reach. They could occupy it within days. Possibly a week before anyone could substantially react to it.

The problem with them backing out of the treaty means they will now openly test nuclear weapons. They can't test them if they are in the treaty. Had they done so without officially backing out they may have been subject to serious sanctions, or even disarmament. Another scary thought is if they begin a coalition with terrorist groups. They both have a common enemy (US) and ethnic boundaries hasn't stopped other countries from gettin in bed together.