Dude I ordered one of those accounts from saturn host, just to see if it was real... a few kind of funny things...

1. It took 3 weeks for my account to function properly (thats a SUBDOMAIN!!! NOT EVEN A DOMAIN!!!)

2. When I logged into this "blazing fast unix server", I got a total upload speed of 1.4KBps, and I use 8Mbit DSL, which normaly gets from 400 - 600K!

3. They never billed my credit card -- hehe

Im guessing the guy that started saturnhost was probably a VERY inexperienced user, because their website kinda stinks :stickout and also they haven't learned of a technology called "dsl" yet. For the price they are paying for the ISDN -- probably on copper, and probably using a standard user carrier, they could have had 1MBIT dsl in the prime areas, and 500k business DSL... HA HA HA....

I wouldn't use saturnhost if I were you :sickface:

Actually, GM, i wouldn't laugh too much about a hosting company that is using ISDN and not DSL. They may have had DSL (which is installed on copper, it runs over POTS, not fiber like T1's which can be on either) and lost it due to a provider going out of business.

ISDN is actually undergoing a renaissance, once the business world woke up to the fact that DSL is a kluge that fell into the hands of the marketing department who convinced the world that it is 'as fast and reliable as a T1 and as cheap as dialup', and they've realized that it's not always fast, not at all reliable, and selling it cheap causes the providers to suddenly go belly up and leave their customers without any service.

Personally, I wouldn't recommend a hosting company use anything but dedicated T1 or better. They don't go up and down constantly (unless they come from UUNet), or suffer packet loss because it's damp outside (POTS lines lose conductivity when exposed to wetness, and the tremendous amount of data that's being forced through them by DSL technology is more than their threshold), T1's also have repeaters on them at particular intervals to ensure that the data doesn't get lost along the way, POTS lines don't. They are also not as influenced by environmental conditions-to get the really high speeds out of them in an older buildng, you practically need to bring in a Feng Shui master to make sure that the jack and the router are not too close to flourescent lights, computers, and certain types of materials.

I have an ISDN here at my house, I have a T1 line at the office, and I have a DSL line at the office. We are so close to the USWEST building (about 190 feet) that the DSL is almost certainly always faster then the T1 -- Which would you suggest using for webpages, the dsl has NEVER gone down yet, except on maintainance days awhile ago, but im worried it may suck for the server, and T1 is expensive for the server?

If you are getting good quality DSL service, first stand up and cheer! You are getting tremendously high speed because you are right on top of the CO(and DSL is totally distanced based when it comes to available bandwidth), and there are apparently no environmental conditions affecting it. Stand up and cheer again!

If you are getting good quality DSL service, and if your provider is on sound financial footing, and not circling the bowl, use it definitely, but don't guarantee your uptimes. And have a backup! A different type of connectivity from a different provider.

DSL is provided with no guarantees, like dialup and ISDN, it is an 'as is' service. T1 local loops are covered under government regulations 'tariffs', the bandwidth piece is covered under separate cover from the Intenet transit provider and may or may not include a SLA-some do, some don't, and the ones that do charge a lot more for it.

It's the old network equation. There are three critieria for choosing a connectivity solution: cost, speed, and reliability. Now choose two of them, and find a solution that fits:

low cost/high speed-DSL
high speed/high reliability-T1

Frame relay may be something you might want to consider as well.

What would you use then

DSL 2.5 mbps hosting service
or T1 1.5 mbps hosting service

No "none"
please

Originally posted by hostmaster2k
What would you use then

DSL 2.5 mbps hosting service
or T1 1.5 mbps hosting service

No "none"
please

Personally, If I was looking for hosting, it would depend on how business critical that hosting is. If I was hosting personal sites, or presence sites for small businesses that doesn't require that the site be up 24/7, I probably wouldn't mind getting it cheap from a hosting service that uses DSL, or a single T1. I have two servers hosted that way.

But, if site downtime cost my customers money or bad press, then I wouldn't trust their sites to any host with a single connection to the internet-that represents a single point of failure and even T1's are not 100% reliable, I'd insist on a provider that was multi-homed and using several T1's or better (and not all on fiber-Verizon had their entire fiber network go down one weekend not too long ago-having one circuit on copper kept our sites available that weekend). That type of hosting isn't for everyone-it is not within everyone's budget.

It really depends on who your customers are, and how critical their sites are to their businesses, as to where you should host them.

I agree with everyone else, unlimited is old news and the companies that still utilize it, are probably brand new hosting resellers out for a fast buck

Its pretty sad to see companies like Hispeed.com which i started out reselling for, still using the Unlimited thing, when in fact they limit you to 400 megs of bandwidth a day...