Not usually one to flame another host, but it's sick and twisted individuals like "Shang" of Tacid Host fame who get web hosts, and resellers in particular, a bad name. So I'll risk it.

Not content to rip off and copy the webhosting.com site, and take bucket loads of money from who knows how many clients, only to then shut down his services, then start them back up again, then close them down and move to another host when he gets given the boot, then start them up again, then shut them down again...anyway, you get the picture.

But this part is sickening...here's the crew at "Tacid":

http://65.108.17.8/host/staff.shtml

And here's the crew at Virtualis:

http://www.infinito.net/vr2/infinito/about_execs.html

Go figure.

A host flaming another host..hmm
Discrase man delete this post IF you are smart.

Sorry that you see it that way WaffenSS. However, I wouldn't regard Tacid as a "host", whether from a competitor or a clients point of view. There is a long and sordid saga behind the whole thing.

Gary

I visited the links and was amazed. Same people, same bios ... but they changed their names! Gosh ... what do you suppose is going on? Kinda scary ... glad you shared it.

Originally posted by Editor
Go figure.

LOL ... perhaps they thought the photos were royalty-free clip-art. :D

Mark Vockler
Aletia Hosting

Yes, I considered the "unprofessionalism" and "unethical" implications, but decided I'd wear it.

Tacid has been spreading some rather nasty untruths about us to clients...so I figured I'd take a few pot shots myself. And if this isn't the forum to discuss these things, then I don't know what is.

LOL ... perhaps they thought the photos were royalty-free clip-art. :D

I'll like that! :-)

Im tired of reading these posts about how people dont like hosts to flame other hosts!

If hosts would run their business correctly and ethically no one would have to flame anyone.

Dont blame a person who gets mad at a host acting unethically or practicing poor business practices.

Get mad at the source the host is is commiting these crimes against our industry.

They give our whole industry a bad name.

Tacid Host has indeed committed not only Illigal actions but their a terrible company, I say let anyne flame all they want. Tacid doesnt deserve to be in business.

oh my Gosh, I am late. I guess they remove the page at http://65.108.17.8/host/staff.shtml It give 404 error. :confused:

Which in itself is an admision of guilt.

Which may very well come in handy, since Tacid Host have advised me that Virtualis are now investigating US! :-) Not quite sure what would be the basis of that (and I tend to think Tacid may be clutching at straws), but nonetheless I'll stick to my guns. Still waiting for a response from Virtualis.

I just had a discussion with Tacid via their HumanClick application. I asked why the same people appeared at the two URLs. Their response...

Alexander: we have the same people working for us

Go figure...again.

I have the whole humanclick log if anyone is interested in me posting it or obtaining it from me. It's laughable, at best. One big tap dance.

Gary

Post it here. Make Shang sweat it out!

You must see the threatening stunt he tried to pull on me.

I might post it later, but I think it might confuse people because it progressed over several emails.

Originally posted by Editor


I just had a discussion with Tacid via their HumanClick application. I asked why the same people appeared at the two URLs. Their response...

Alexander: we have the same people working for us

Go figure...again.

I have the whole humanclick log if anyone is interested in me posting it or obtaining it from me. It's laughable, at best. One big tap dance.

Gary


Did you ask why the people in photo A had different names than people in photo B???

--Tina

G'day Dylan!

No...as much as I would like to, I will wait and see Virtualis's response.

"Shang" has advised me that Virtualis are now undertaking an investigation of Aussie Hosts. I contacted them to see if I can offer up any information to assist in their investigation. They have my log of discussion with Shang, as well as a copy of the two URLs. Am yet to receive a response.

I tend to think Virtualis are a complete unbeknowing bystander, and shall afford them the courtesy of not posting what Shang has stated about them, in case it should come to light that Shang is once again away with the fairies. :-)

Good to see your going strong. Obviously Shangs' little poaching troll through your forum way back when, had no devastating effect. Your loyal and satisfied client base is a tribute to your work.

Regards

Gary

Did you ask why the people in photo A had different names than people in photo B???--Tina

Certainly did Tina.

The responses ranged from:

Alexander: we have the same people working for us

to:

Alexander: yea it wasn't us
Alexander: it was our excellent ex web designer
Alexander: we fired him

to:

Alexander: we didn't even see that page until it was up
Alexander: and we did not have access to edit it

and finally:

Alexander: my boss wants to talk to you

[Enter Shang - Stage Left]

I'll save the rest. :-)

Gary

I've got a story for you guys...

i dont know where to start, seriously...everything about Tacid is messed up, Gary is correct with all his statement, Tacid should not be considered a host.

Lemme explain my story with tacid, and let me assure you, its a long story.

I found tacid thru host search and their price fit my budget 20/year (im poor leave me alone =p) i cheked out their website, it was pretty decent, seemed as if everythign was under cotrol, then i found their forums...now this is wher i got a little sketchy, customers postingf topics like "where is support?" "why havent u answered my email" "i want a refund" etc I waited about 4 days until they got their UNIX package up and they said they had 24/7 support (which was a lie) So i signed up. He asked his own custoemrs to provide support for tacid, i responded was being nice and offerd my help, i helped a few people on human click here and there, but the big problemw as Shang didnt give any of his support team information, i woudl sit ther and watch 3 support chats goign on and 2 of them would be asking the same question and the 2 support people would tell them 2 totally different things. Basically support was lieing to the custoemrs becuase they simply did not know what the answer was.

Everything was fine for about 1 week, then the bombshell called Shang hit. He was reselling for donhost.co.uk and they booted him off for violating TOS, dont know the reason, dont care, All i called about was my site and when it was gonna be back up, it took about 1 week and half for shang to get dedicated servers, (heres my favorite part) he gets the dedicated servers and he messages me and he says "i dont know how to work these" i say "then what are you doing hosting websites?" =\ I get the dedica.. oh wait i forgot something so very important, HE LIED TO EVERYONE when donhost shut them down he tells everyone "i've got 300 servers and our own facility ready!" that was a huge lie, then it turned into "ive got 25 dedciated servers" then it turns into "ive got 19 deciated servers from compaq cuz my dad is the Vice President for Compaq" WHEN IN REALITY he only have !1 (one) dedicated server, and it was a cobalt ^_^

any ways back to that part i stopped at, he messges me to run the dedicated server for him, so i do, ig et mysql installed and phpmyadmin , i tranfered all teh customer accounts and fixed something his 13 year old "admin" screwed up (yes he has 13 eyar old admins that know jack **** about website hosting). Then guess what he does? HE CANCELED THE DEDICATED SERVER! saying he didnt know how to run it so screw it. iw as like WTF i did all that work just for u to throw it away?

I got a refund ^_^

sorry for the emssaed up story like i said i didnt nkow where to start...Tacid is bad, stay away from tacid.

And that intro his got on his site looks so familiar.

I've no idea how many site designs his stolen.

I think it's a fairly common template.

I could be wrong, but it looks very much like the same template that Shang's own self-confessed "right hand man" Wes has up at...

http://www.mocm.net to me...

Correct me if I'm wrong. :-)

Gary

Sorry, I'm referring to the "Welcome to" blah blah part.

I dont see what your talking about dylan...

Also his forums he had setup, (i dont know if they still are this way) But they were a copy of sites like ezwarez.com (the top part).

Here is what is on their main site: I AM NOT AFFILIATED WITH THESE GUYS!!!! AND DON'T CONFUSE ME AS SO!@!

Thanks to all those people who supported us in those hard times, and now we have taken another step forward. Remember our old layout? Well, that layout was made by Cyberseven.net and they said it was their layout and it was original, so we took it. Then we found out that he copied it from webhosting.com and well it wasn't a very happy scene over here, cyberseven also messed up our old board, and well there was nothing we can do to bring back the old board up. He also added lots of negative reviews on our Hotsearch account, witch made us look bad. So we are back to our old and original layout of tacidhost.com and we will stick to this and make it better and better every day. We are still lacking some VERY important stuff I know, and I promise it will improve this week. This is what is coming up in this or

THis

I see now, he took down the forums, i guess he didnt want people seeing how bad tacid was =\

Originally posted by ckizer
Here is what is on their main site: I AM NOT AFFILIATED WITH THESE GUYS!!!! AND DON'T CONFUSE ME AS SO!@!

Thanks to all those people who supported us in those hard times, and now we have taken another step forward. Remember our old layout? Well, that layout was made by Cyberseven.net and they said it was their layout and it was original, so we took it. Then we found out that he copied it from webhosting.com and well it wasn't a very happy scene over here, cyberseven also messed up our old board, and well there was nothing we can do to bring back the old board up. He also added lots of negative reviews on our Hotsearch account, witch made us look bad. So we are back to our old and original layout of tacidhost.com and we will stick to this and make it better and better every day. We are still lacking some VERY important stuff I know, and I promise it will improve this week. This is what is coming up in this or

THis

Whats your point?

I will bet you $100 dollars that when and if his board is back up, all those messages everyone posted about getting their money back, and about Shang's lies and stolen goods will be deleted. He has already deleted his board about 4 times already in an attempt to lure new customers...

I know this guy is a fraud I just need to figure out a way to get all those peoples money back


I have only seen 4 people on his boards that would say they are very satisfied with TacidHost, but because he has blocked IPs of the posters on the board, I have no way of knowing whether or not they are different people....they could all be Shang himself!

My site:

Welcome to HostYard, the web hosting specialists. If you've been looking for the best hosting deal around, then look no further! All our plans are very affordable and include everything you'd ever need and more. Best yet, there is no setup fee or domain name transfer fee.

Below is what is on tacid's site. He goes around and steals parts of other websites and puts them together to build a website. Just like the staff page.



Go to tacid:


Welcome to TacidBlue, the web hosting specialists. If you've been looking for the best hosting deal around, then look no further! Our plan is very affordable and include everything you'd ever need and more. Best yet, there is no setup fee or domain name transfer fee.

As someone mentioned the welcome message seems familiar, I had a quick dig around, check out

http://www.tacidhost.com/host/servers.shtml
alongside
http://apollohosting.com/host/ourservers.html

also

http://www.tacidhost.com/host/index2.shtml
alongside
http://www.mxhub.net/

then

http://www.tacidhost.com/host/agreement.shtml
vs
http://www.fasthosts.co.uk/terms.html


Why not rip off someones support blurb while we're at it?

http://65.108.17.8/cgi-bin/smartfaq/smartfaq.cgi?subject=988858552
seems familiar, look at
http://www.burlee.com/supportandfaq/index.asp

I could go on, finding everyone they've ripped of, but to be honest I'm starting to feel a bit ill. Honesty (and copyrights :) just don't matter to some people I guess, as long as they can make some quick cash they'll rip off anyone they feel they can.

hahahahaha!

Well well...it looks very familiar doesn't it!

So he left your network, and copied your site, and then came back and trolled your discussion forum...before proceeding with the atrocities that I raised with this thread...and even still, he has kept your intro till today.

Well mate, what can I say? He loves your work! ;-)

I wonder who this "Shang" really is though. Do a whois on tacidhost.com. It comes up with his email address, and the name Guadalupe Milk! hehehe (which just happens to be the ficticious name next to that female picture which was on his "staff" page). "She" is Tacid's Director of Finance. hehehe Luckily I saved that page before Shang trashed it.

And the hits just keep on rollin!

Gary

I see now Dylan, whats with this guy? He cant make his own site or... phrases for that matter...

I know Shang would **** a brick if he saw this thread

Ack, no, none of the sites above are mine, I'm not a host at all, I did free webhosting once upon a time and I'd rather die than go back to that nightmare :)

I found those by just selecting portions of the text from Tacidhosts pages and pumping them into Altavista.

oh and about that thing with the chat log from HC gary,. thats Bs becuase that staff page was up over 2 months ago when i first started scoping tacid out, i saw that staff page months ago, while shang is saying it was just put up 48 hours ago, god...he lies

Originally posted by C0baL7_PhR3aK
I see now Dylan, whats with this guy? He cant make his own site or... phrases for that matter...

I know Shang would **** a brick if he saw this thread

I know Shang (or "Guadalupe Milk" according to his tacidhost.com /whois) has already seen this thread. :-)

In fact, he advised me that Virtualis (the ripped off staff page) have already seen this thread. He also advised me that they are investigating me for starting this thread.

However...Virtualis (or the same organisation under the name of their recent merger anyway) are not aware of any such investigation.

Darn...I saved all these logs and web pages for nothing! :-)

I wonder if his new host would like....no! stop it Gary!

Gary

Shang already knows about this thread and is watching it closely. As you mention something, he'll go and get rid of the evidence. He'll most probably threaten WHT just now - watch! That's what he did to me.


What worries me is that people that don't know about tacid already are obviously going through the signup process. I bet their accounts aren't being setup and they can't get hold of Shang for a refund.

And you know what no board means? People keep signing up not knowing.



Editor, did you get my emails?

Originally posted by Jado
Ack, no, none of the sites above are mine

Sorry...my "so he left your network" post was directed at Dylan. :-)

Gary

Originally posted by Dylan
Editor, did you get my emails?

Certainly did mate. Shocking isn't it!

And about signups...well his new host will have to entertain the idea I suppose.

Gary

I see, I wasn't sure if it was to me or not but I thought I'd better post to avoid confusion :)

I just did a whois on tacid and their nameservers are apollohosting.com (the folk who's 'Our servers' page they've ripped off) ironically, it looks like Apollo are resellers for Alabanza.

heheh, looking again at "their" About Us page, you'll notice some distinct similarities with

http://www.fasthosts.co.uk/about_us.html

numbers are the same, bandwidth providers are the same, the biggest difference is that instead of being "the UK's leading provider" Tacid are "The Net's leading provider". Do they even know where their servers are? Last I heard BT didn't cover Maryland :)

My opinion? Some kids with a bit of talent, and not a lot of morals out to make some fast cash. They could end up in a lot of trouble over this (and probably will, you seem to be on a mission to take 'em down :)

Whois says his in Texas - most probably fake address.

Does anybody stay in that area? and willing to go and break his knee caps?

Hmmm.... interesting. Actually I have a LOOOONG STORY to tell about Tacid.

I was supposed to buy their NT packages to resell them (since I already spent most of my money on Alabanza for Unix). But everything was messy.

Actually, I've been with Tacid since they were reselling for Hostyard (I was running an adult site, and Alabanza doesn't allow those so I had to find another host, which was Tacid). But then they've changed packages like crazy every day. Which I could live with because Shang was very helpful...

...until he started charging $20/year. Then so many people started signing up and Tacid became too busy with the sign-ups to entertain support questions. I lost many web design projects because the NT accounts couldn't be setup properly.

Tacid switched from Hostyard to JaguarPC (A VDI company), to Fasthosts (for Windows). Then he added Donhost (to support Unix clients), which didn't particularly take off 'cause Donhost didn't like the fact that Shang ignored their warning emails. The warning emails contained alerts that people were uploading illegal stuff that was bugging down Donhost servers.


You can actually find that note by Donhost (about Tacid) somewhere in this forum.

Because of that, Tacid went to Kikkonetworks, but something didn't work out quite right, so they were back to Donhost... Confusing, isn't it?


I can also vouch for the fact that Tacid loves stealing images left and right. I created a button for Red Hat Linux and by golly, the next thing I knew, I saw that on their site! Well, they've been known for getting images from CWIhost anyways so I guess that shouldn't be a surprise...

What else...

Ah yes, Tacid still owes me $60 of undelivered service, which he says he will send me. But when I setup an instabill link for him to use, he just completely ignored all my pleas for contact.


The result:
1. I moved my adult site to Secured-Net.Net (great host with great support, btw, hope they stay that way)
2. I moved my NT web projects to Aussie Hosts.
3. I'm still waiting for that $60 (in cash or in kind, it doesn't matter). Every penny counts if you're an Alabanza reseller.


Whew! I just had to say my piece. It's been eating me alive since I left Tacid for Aussie Hosts and Secured Networks.

I think that hosts such as Tacid is a disgrace to the community. I go to many other hosts for my web design clients' various needs that Alabanza can't meet, but I don't like being ripped off the way Tacid did to me.

:angry:

Hey folks! As you can see, this Shang fella steals everything he can get from any site in the world. I just wanted to put my two cents in here and say this; Tacid & Virtualis are definately NOT the same company. That dirty little ^%(^%^%%$#%@ at Tacid even swiped the page with all the pictures and profiles from Virtualis. He doctored up the names in order to make his outfit look professional.
Virtualis is the victim, just like several of you were victimized when he swiped pieces and parts of your sites! Have a little sympathy for Virtualis staff, at least he didn't post your picture on his site and destroy any future employment opportunities for you. The staff over at Virtualis is suffering character defamation right now. You guys would be exploding right now if it was you, right? Yet they have chosen to take the high road and not even post anything.
I know for a fact that some of the management looks at this site daily. I recommended it to them. This is a very good site, with some smart folks. Think about it! Every single piece of Tacidblue is a stolen chunk.... WHY WOULD HE POST PICTURES OF HIS REAL STAFF?????

(Of course, this is the cached version of it from Google. The updated page has all of his info removed!)

Wes: Founder/CEO of MOCM

Hi, I'm Wes. This site has gone through a lot of changes since it was just an idea. But over time, we've moved a few times, changed the motive a few times, and now we'll be getting a paid hosting service soon and you can check us out at mocm.net! Don't be afraid to contact myself or Shang about any bugs or questions.

Forms of Contact: Email: wes@mocm.net
AIM: AeolisCams ICQ: 39664922 (Online status above)

Shang: Layout Design/VP of MOCM

Shang here! Well I am the website editor of the site. And I will be continuing to work on this site until my death. I own also TacidBlue.Com. So come by and give me a visit. Hope you like this site, and if it needs more improvisations, drop me a line. Enjoy!

Forms of Contact: Email: shang@mocm.net
AIM: GoTacidBlue ICQ: 95671211 (Online status above)
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.mocm.net/staff.shtml+tacidblue%2Bstaff&hl=en

I wish you could've downloaded Shang's pic.

He deleted the picture on the page already.

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by IPC PRO
Virtualis is the victim, just like several of you were victimized when he swiped pieces and parts of your sites!

I was almost certain that this was the case.

They should be pissed. That's for sure. What was done was very wrong.

I have asked for their permission to post the log between Shang and myself, since it brings their name up in a not so flattering manner...however nobody could pay any homage to the comments by Shang in it now.

Gary

Have a little sympathy for Virtualis staff, at least he didn't post your picture on his site and destroy any future employment opportunities for you.

Whos flaming Virtualis? ...???? im confused by that remark, this thread is not agianst virtualis its explaing how bad ofa host tacid is....of course virtualis is the victim... :confused: :confused: :confused:

Originally posted by Jado
As someone mentioned the welcome message seems familiar, I had a quick dig around, check out

http://www.tacidhost.com/host/servers.shtml
alongside
http://apollohosting.com/host/ourservers.html

also

http://www.tacidhost.com/host/index2.shtml
alongside
http://www.mxhub.net/

then

http://www.tacidhost.com/host/agreement.shtml
vs
http://www.fasthosts.co.uk/terms.html


Why not rip off someones support blurb while we're at it?

http://65.108.17.8/cgi-bin/smartfaq/smartfaq.cgi?subject=988858552
seems familiar, look at
http://www.burlee.com/supportandfaq/index.asp

I could go on, finding everyone they've ripped of, but to be honest I'm starting to feel a bit ill. Honesty (and copyrights :) just don't matter to some people I guess, as long as they can make some quick cash they'll rip off anyone they feel they can.

how about

http://www.tacidhost.com/host/servers.shtml
alongside
http://apollohosting.com/host/ourservers.html
alongside
http://jumpline.com/network.shtml

http://www.tacidhost.com/host/index2.shtml
alongside
http://www.mxhub.net/
alongside
http://hostrocket.com/v2/body_hosting_plans.html

lol, who copied whose?? :D

Perhaps there's a template resource somewhere....? :-)

www.freewebhosttemplate.com or something...

Let's see....jumpline and hostrocket are successful companies unto themselves. I say it was them who lifted content! :)

Seriously, there are quite a few smaller hosts/resellers out there, flying under the radar, who lift pieces or entire sections from other hosts. I've yet to see one that took so much from so many other locations, though.

I also hosted with Tacid for a while (basically the month of April). I wasn't affected terribly by all of the host switching and downtime (since I was on the Windows plan), but I know that others were (Skysenshi's poor fiance...!). The worst part of everything was the communication, which was either non-existent (I doubt Shang even uses e-mail) or contradictory. The story changed every 6 hours. The only thing that made it bearable was the TacidBoard where you could get sympathy (and maybe tech support) from the other customers....

I gave them a chance and the benefit of the doubt. I told Shang when I got my refund (thank god!) that I wouldn't post negative reviews because it seemed like it was a temporary problems (based on reviews I had seen at HostSearch--about which I now know better). But given what I have seen here, it's obvious this is a sketchy operation.

But the good think is that somehow I found out about this board through there and now I feel like I am getting more accurate information and better help (though I'm still looking for a hosting plan). So there's my personal silver lining. Though again, mine was only a personal site and so I lost no income....

Brad

P.S. Speaking of similar graphics on sites, is there some kind of rule that says if you open a hosting service you have to have photos of youthful technophiles taken from a ladder looking down at an angle. In my host shopping I have seen them everywhere. While some are the same people (and pictures...!), there seem to be lots of variations of the same shot....

Originally posted by BRossMac

P.S. Speaking of similar graphics on sites, is there some kind of rule that says if you open a hosting service you have to have photos of youthful technophiles taken from a ladder looking down at an angle. In my host shopping I have seen them everywhere. While some are the same people (and pictures...!), there seem to be lots of variations of the same shot....


Haha! I have actually made that same comment many times. Last year it was logos with swoops and swooshes on them....this year it seems to be the funky angle shot of a cool dude.

--Tina

P.S. Speaking of similar graphics on sites, is there some kind of rule that says if you open a hosting service you have to have photos of youthful technophiles taken from a ladder looking down at an angle. In my host shopping I have seen them everywhere. While some are the same people (and pictures...!), there seem to be lots of variations of the same shot....
As I understand it, there really is a PR consulting group with a photographer, who specifically targets the internet industry.


Whos flaming Virtualis? ...???? im confused by that remark, this thread is not agianst virtualis its explaing how bad ofa host tacid is....of course virtualis is the victim...

Here is the thread that directed me here. Sorry, I must have gotten lost in the middle of the chase! :blush:

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=10076&goto=newpost

For all of you who wanted to see Shang's staff page, you can do a search for "Kami Kotobi" on google. His site will be the first hit, then you can just view the cached page....

For all of you who wanted to see Shang's staff page, you can do a search for "Kami Kotobi" on google. His site will be the first hit, then you can just view the cached page....

Akashd,
That is just a cache of the stolen web page from Virtualis. Are you implying that Kami Kotobi IS Shang??
If so, do a little more research. Why don't you try a search for Kami Kotobi+Shang and see the top of the page. You can clearly see that he has simply deleted Chris Lyman's entry, and substituted his own. There is no picture of this guy, and never was.

Any simularities between jumpline and apollo are most likely due to both hosts using Alabanza servers (I presume without looking too deep into it), which might extend to tacid if they were using an Alabanza host.

Akashd,
That is just a cache of the stolen web page from Virtualis. Are you implying that Kami Kotobi IS Shang??
If so, do a little more research. Why don't you try a search for Kami Kotobi+Shang and see the top of the page. You can clearly see that he has simply deleted Chris Lyman's entry, and substituted his own. There is no picture of this guy, and never was.

No no no...I see there is a little misunderstanding...

What I simply meant by that post is that for those people who wanted to see Shang's stolen "staff" page that search would produce the easiest results.....

Kami Kotobi is no doubt a unique name, so I figured that search would be the easiest way to produce Shang's works.....
BTW, I think this is also how Gary uncovered this whole thing anyways....

I am totally against Shang's practices and I'm all for either the take down of TacidBlue, a lawsuit against him(by all the companies he has stolen from) or at least a compromise, in which we would all help him to create an original website and clean up his TOS a little bit(which is very vague and ambiguous)......

Hello, Brad! Glad to see you here :)
And glad to know you got your refund.

Basically, now I couldn't care less if I got my refund because it was clear that I wouldn't be getting it. Which is why I'm here, and why I retracted my initially positive review of Tacid at Hostsearch. That $60 will be nothing compared to the consequences of his action. I strongly believe in the law of Karma (or the Three-Fold-Law).

How do we file a lawsuit against him? I can't, I'm in Asia and he's in the West somewhere, although I'd like to shoot him or sacrifice him to a deity, it would be easier if he were living here (kidding!)

A friend of mine told me that Tacid is being run by a "kid who wants to make money" She says that Shang is one of those who doesn't think of the consequences.

Anyone has ideas about how to bring this chronic liar down? :angry:

How do we file a lawsuit against him?

All those companies that have servers or are based in the United States(where Shang lives) have every right to sue for copyright infringment.

For his customers, they have a chance at breach of contract. He could also get nailed for credit card fraud, whether or not he is an adult.....

That company that wrote about the addr hack.
What's its name? Starts with an m?

Maybe we should get hold of them?

His a kid?

Isn't that illegal already?

His parents obviously don't know about it. I'm sure if they did, they would of stopped him.

Just found something out....His whois records are not complete lies...


Shang's true address is

21905 Horseshoe Cir
Porter, TX 77365-6444

His phone number being 281-354-4166
A lookup of that house revealed the owner..


That house however belong's to a man named Daniel Milk. Which is where Guadalupe Milk comes in...remember she's the Director of Finance, which is the person who handles all the money for TacidBlue...

Here's my theory, Guadalupe is Daniel's wife and Shang's mother. Daniel(Shang's father) doesn't want to pay for his son's new found hobby, so his mother, the Director of Finance that she is, decides to help him out by paying for the domains and the startup costs of reselling for FastHosts...

I have only the evidence found on the internet to back this up, but I am 90% sure that this story is true....I've already used up my month LD minutes on my cell and I don't have LD at my house, and I'm sure as hell not gonna waste $$$ to prove this theory.....anyone support my theory???

Who exactly is Joe Shang???

My sources and research indicate that he could be a professor at a public or a military college in that Texas area, Shang is also a semi-popular Asian name and could be the name of a cartoon character creator or something along that sort...

Does anyone have anymore leads??? I'm hoping to do a telephone or face-to-face interview with this person...

.....kinda like a Barbara Walters meets Timothy McVeigh...

His a kid?

Isn't that illegal already?



Unfortuneatly over the internet you could do a lot while making others beleive you are an adult...

Originally posted by Dylan
His a kid?

Isn't that illegal already?


Shang said he was 22, which I bought 'cause 22 sounds pretty young. I'm 24 myself and I also have impulsive and moments when I feel like a little girl instead of an adult...

But then, there were things that didn't add up. He sounded like he was waaaay younger than my youngest sister (who was 12 when she started web designing--and a very smart and responsible person, I might add). Shang's actions were very irresponsible, irrational, impulsive, and generally rash.

For instance:
1. Donhost shut him down, and then he went to the boards and started finger pointing at clients as to who's to blame. Responsible adults running serious businesses do not do that.

2. When he gets offended by a remark from a prospective client, he flames that person.

Very bad for image, especially as his tirades are always in public. Looks like many of us have been swindled by a very young con artist.

Looks like many of us have been swindled by a very young con artist.

That's exactly why I want to take this guy down...teach that little rascal a lesson or two or three....maybe the judge'll file 4 counts of cc fraud....

He's sure giving children a bad name. I've known a lot of youngsters and pre-teens who have more manners and business ethics than this Shang has.

Anyways, his site is down (only the index page is alive), and his boards are closed.

Do you think we have effectively shut him down? He might come out as another hosting company with another name.

:uzi:


PS
Can they put children in jail in Texas?

Do you think we have effectively shut him down? He might come out as another hosting company with another name.

I won't be satisfied until he gives all his customers a refund, quits the business until he become more knowledgeable, and makes a public apology-here at wht and on his main page-stating exactly what he has done to his customers...

only then will I be satisfied...:D

All customers refunded?

Now that would be something, because he sure doesn't reply to all my mails, instant messaging, etc of my refund.

As for the public apology, I'm sure he'll start lying again. He'll apologize, all right, but he'll invent reasons as to why his stories didn't match.

flamethrow

His most probably as old as Wes, his mate, 13.

Giving small children a bad name? ha! His causing more damage to the hosting industry than anything I've ever seen in my entire life!

Hmmm... but I want somebody there in the US to give him a good spanking.

I think he's been lacking that.

His causing more damage to the hosting industry than anything I've ever seen in my entire life!


Exactly!!! If it weren't for him, Dylan would have had more customers for his business and I would have been able to get mine off the ground pretty fast....not to mention all the mistrust the customers have for all the other companies out there...

but I want somebody there in the US to give him a good spanking


Oh he'll get it.....

I just want to see 9 words in his post "I'm Sorry", "I lied", "I made a few mistakes"....then i want him to list all the mistakes he made...

Originally posted by akashd

lied", "I made a few mistakes"....then i want him to list all the mistakes he made...

Make that "I made a whole caravan of mistakes"

I think we should compile and document the list of grievances he has made. Then we post that on a site somewhere for people to see.

This way, we can warn many people to stay away from this con artist.

:kaioken:


(I'm getting carried away with the emoticons here :blush: )

quote:
---------------------------------------
http://www.tacidhost.com/host/agreement.shtml
vs
http://www.fasthosts.co.uk/terms.html
----------------------------------------

OMG, they simply copied the whole page pasted it and replaced the company name. :eek:

er, umm... his pages are still up and so is the instabill page.

How's this:

zStarNetwork.com, Inc. is an authorized sales agent for tacidblue.com

Please make a note that your credit card will be charged every 365 days till 5/3/11 by zStar Network, Inc. until it is cancelled.

God! I hope that is not true!

Alot of this is making sense(?). Well, at least the pieces are looking like they all come from the same jigsaw puzzle at least.

This "Daniel Milk"...fits in with "Guadalupe Milk" (what a name...!)

And the "Asian" connotations work as well...I called that number and got an Asian lady on the phone. Asked for Daniel, and she puts someone on who answers to that name. Sounded about 22 or so.

When I asked if this was Daniel from Tacid Host..."no no no, you have the wrong number!".

Suuuuure I do buddy! :-)

All good things come to those who wait...

Gary

My God he is hiding in the great state of Texas! And he is less than 30 miles from home! I am supposed to be going to Houston within the next month or so but definately before the end of the year. I will check on what the local laws are and I could put a bug in the attorney general's office if he has done some serious damage. So far this sounds like copyright stuff and screwed up hosting accounts. Is there stuff that could be considered fraud? If so they do tend to frown on that. In addition he better be paying The Lone Star state it's due around tax time. Anyways let me know and I'll see what I can do.

Too late -- he already has:

Information for hostingticket.com
Registrant:
stridinspider
2004 C.R. 111
Piedmont, AL 36272
US

Domain Name: HOSTINGTICKET.COM

Administrative Contact:
Shang, Josuee shang2k@msn.com
PO Box 251
Porter, TX 77365
US
2813542959

Technical Contact:
Shang, Josuee shang2k@msn.com
PO Box 251
Porter, TX 77365
US
2813542959

Billing Contact:
Shang, Josuee shang2k@msn.com
PO Box 251
Porter, TX 77365
US
2813542959


Record last updated on 03-May-2001.
Record expires on 02-Apr-2002.
Record Created on 02-Apr-2001.

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.LIVEDNS.CO.UK 213.171.193.14
NS2.LIVEDNS.CO.UK 213.171.193.250

Shang's main site www.tacidblue.com used to be on one of my servers. He then moved his site to fasthosts. So I deleted it. But he was never able to get tacidblue up and running on fasthosts dns servers. You'll get a cannot find server message.

He has livedns listed as his DNS, plus, for some reason my DNS is still listed.

If I setup his account again, his sites dns should kick in again and I can warn the public about him. Only problem, if I do that, he'll soon set the dns servers to something else. So, there is no point.

Now here's the disturbing factor:

His site was transferring over 8gb a month. That's a hell of alot.

Now, I'm from the Great State of Texas, and I must recommend to anyone who's serious about filing a complaint: DO IT.

It really chaps our hides to have a screwball like this playing grown-up with real people's hard-earned cash. The State Attorney General's Office in Austin would probably be glad to take a complaint about this, tax dollars aside.

Maybe it could work to send emails to his CC processors (Instabill?) or even to the credit card companies itself. I'm quite sure they don't like his kind of business

He's definitely on the move! The phone # from the whois of hostingticket is the only number that is different from the other 4.

281-354-2959

That is an unlisted or a new number...

Also, he has used 3 different addresses but the one I posted earlier is the only one that has a listing that my sources could find...

If anyone lives in texas, please go to your county public records office or to the police dept and have them to a reverse lookup of the phone numbers and addresses...

I am now 70% positive this guy is a genuine con

zStarNetwork is actually very cooperative...I also got caught in the Hosthem(if you do not remember do a search for it) situation and they are actually the ones that closed that account...their rep told me they just lost close to $1200 when they closed the account...

Originally posted by akashd
I have only the evidence found on the internet

The words "only in America" come to mind... :-)

Whilst searching around for domain name registration affiliate programs I stumbled across this:

http://www.infospace.com/info.talk/redirs_all.htm?pgtarg=pplrl

Just from a phone number you can pull up a street map of the area. Not to mention the contact details an attorney who specializes in Copyright Law...just 10.3 miles away from the Milks!

Isn't any sacred these days! :-)

Gary

I used something similar to that, the only problem is, that database is only updated 1 or 2 times during the year and does not included unlisted or new numbers....

I'm going to be e-mailing FastHosts today and also call goto/call instabill offices(they are about 40 minutes from my house) and see if we can actually shut him down and trap him to talk....

If anyone visits his page and sees that humanclick button, save your chat transcripts and try to get him to talk....

ask him to post his side of the story on this message board. There may be a very good explanation behind all this confusion....

:stickout

He appears to have addresses all over Houston but the vast majority are in Harris County which covers all of Houston. Here is the link to the electronic consumer complaint form for the state:

http://www.texasag.org/cpd_form/cpd_county.asp

If he is committing fraud and everyone fills out the forms, makes calls, etc. they will investigate the claim.

shang is 19 years old, he told me himself...

shang is 19 years old, he told me himself

Shang also told me he owns 300 servers, 30 of which were donated by compaq, he hosts 400,000+ websites

BTW, he told me he was 21...

shang told me he was 19 years old and not to tell anyone. he also told me his dad is teh Vice-President of Compaq and thats why he had 15 servers from compaq or somethin :confused:

Old enough to have serious problems with the law when it comes to fraud...

he also told me his dad is teh Vice-President of Compaq and thats why he had 15 servers from compaq

Don't tell me you actually beleived him!







BTW everyone, I'm Bill Gates' son!:D

Originally posted by akashd


Don't tell me you actually beleived him!







BTW everyone, I'm Bill Gates' son!:D

did i say i belived him? no...didnt think i did...

Originally posted by akashd


Shang also told me he owns 300 servers, 30 of which were donated by compaq, he hosts 400,000+ websites

BTW, he told me he was 21...


Well he posted on his first board that he was 22.

Oh, I also forgot to mention that the very first reviewer TacidBlue has at Hostsearch was Michael Dunn a.k.a. Shang. Check the email.

If he's 13 as our theory suggests, what do you think the law can do to him?

Do they apprehend him?

He's on the move again and he's gonna con more people. We sould inform the web hosting directories such as Hostsearch!

:eek:

(oh and yeah I should have saved my chat transcripts before, because that's when he told me that ***** and Aussie Hosts are reselling for him, now I have no proof :angry: )

Oh, and this reminds me... I think I'll have to go have my credit card destroyed and my number changed. I don't want that con artist to auto re-bill me.

While he may act like a 13 year old I doubt he is running the business if he is 13. At least not without help as there are a whole bunch of banking issues he would not be able to handle in Texas at 13. Even if he is on the move if he is a US citizen he will have a social security number and that is how the AG and tax folks will track him. Makes it much harder for him to run around. On the downside it will take quite some time.

Originally posted by BRossMac
Too late -- he already has:

Information for hostingticket.com
Registrant:
stridinspider
2004 C.R. 111
Piedmont, AL 36272
US




Oooh, Brad, I finally remembered about that stridinspider person.

I saw him slam Shang on the boards (repeatedly) for not putting in his name because he purchased that domain and will be billed for it every year but Shang put it under Shang's name!

It's like Shang has that domain hostaged!

If he's 13 as our theory suggests, what do you think the law can do to him?

His parents would be the responsible party for any court action that might arise from this situation...


We don't know he's 13....we just think he could me less than 18

If he is under 18 in Texas his parents would potentially be liable under civil and criminal law but the closer he is to 18 the more likely they will simply charge him directly. Texas has gotten tougher on minors. Keep in mind this is a state where the use of lethal force to protect personal property is not only typically not punished but encouraged! Also rumor has it that until recently the "just needed killing" defence was acceptable :)

Defendant: Well Sir, he just needed killin.....

Originally posted by MadMax82
Defendant: Well Sir, he just needed killin.....


That sounds nice... can somebody do that for us :stickout

His full name is Joshua Shang Ortiz. He has the following email accounts, used as aliases:

yaacov_100 AT yahoo.com <yaacov_100 AT yahoo.com>
Yaacov Krepch
frank AT jfweb.com <frank AT jfweb.com>
Frank Hedir
edeanp AT yahoo.com <edeanp AT yahoo.com>
Eddie Pucket
wes AT mocm.net <wes AT mocm.net>
John SingWinsber
davidf1014 AT aol.com <davidf1014 AT aol.com>
dean AT aprilwine.net <dean AT aprilwine.net>
Dean Maynard
jaftheatre AT yahoo.com <jaftheatre AT yahoo.com>
John Franco
Mkefox AT aol.com <Mkefox AT aol.com>
ladyhentai AT yahoo.com <ladyhentai AT yahoo.com>
Hentai Neko
the_winner2 AT hotmail.com <the_winner2 AT hotmail.com>
Julia Hall
binaris03 AT aol.com <binaris03 AT aol.com>
Robert Hinojosa
scankmonkey AT hotmail.com <scankmonkey AT hotmail.com>
Frederick Douglas
shang2k AT email.msn.com <shang2k AT email.msn.com>
Michael Dunn

His Tacidblue site is registered as follows:

[whois.bulkregister.com]
TacidBlue(dot)Com
5476 Counterbridge
Houston, TX 77365
US

Domain Name: TACIDBLUE.COM

Administrative Contact:
Joe Shang shang2k@email.msn.com
TacidBlue(dot)Com
5476 Counterbridge
Houston, TX 77365
US
Phone- 2813544166
Fax-
Technical Contact:
Joe Shang shang2k@email.msn.com
TacidBlue(dot)Com
5476 Counterbridge
Houston, TX 77365
US
Phone- 2813544166
Fax-

Record updated on 2001-01-27 00:00:00.
Record created on 2000-06-27.
Record expires on 2002-06-27.
Database last updated on 2001-05-04 10:05:10 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.HOSTAY.COM 209.242.115.22
NS1.LIVEDNS.CO.UK 213.171.193.14
NS.HOSTAY.NET 209.242.115.16
NS2.LIVEDNS.CO.UK 213.171.193.250

He is very fond of using the prefix "shang2K"on several email accounts. His step-father is Daniel Milk, and his mother alias is Guadalupe Milk (aka Our Lady of Guadalupe, the saint. And also, Our Lady of Milk)

A map to the registrar address is below. However, I have a 300-pound, red-haired, Texas Ranger as a cousin. He is stationed in Houston. (So, SHANG, if you're montitoring this board like I know you are....Texas State Ranger CLAY WARREN FERGUSON wants to be your friend, and he said he'd pop on in today...)

<<< Email addresses formatted. >>>

Originally posted by IPC PRO
Texas Ranger

HEY! Does he know Walker????

I love that show!

:-)

PS
Can they put children in jail in Texas?

I'm in TX and we do it all the time ... it's called sending them to grandma's :D

Originally posted by akashd
BTW everyone, I'm Bill Gates' son!:D
How do you know for sure that you're not? :emlaugh:

tic

Originally posted by Racin' Rob

How do you know for sure that you're not? :emlaugh:

tic

good point....i'll have blood drawn from dad and see if the DNA tests show something ....:D

His dad might *work* at Compaq... From the map to his address, it looks like he lives about a ten minute drive from Compaq's Houston HQ.

His full name is Joshua Shang Ortiz. He has the following email accounts, used as aliases:

yaacov_100 AT yahoo.com <yaacov_100 AT yahoo.com>
Yaacov Krepch
frank AT jfweb.com <frank AT jfweb.com>
Frank Hedir
edeanp AT yahoo.com <edeanp AT yahoo.com>
Eddie Pucket
wes AT mocm.net <wes AT mocm.net>
John SingWinsber
davidf1014 AT aol.com <davidf1014 AT aol.com>
dean AT aprilwine.net <dean AT aprilwine.net>
Dean Maynard
jaftheatre AT yahoo.com <jaftheatre AT yahoo.com>
John Franco
Mkefox AT aol.com <Mkefox AT aol.com>
ladyhentai AT yahoo.com <ladyhentai AT yahoo.com>
Hentai Neko
the_winner2 AT hotmail.com <the_winner2 AT hotmail.com>
Julia Hall
binaris03 AT aol.com <binaris03 AT aol.com>
Robert Hinojosa
scankmonkey AT hotmail.com <scankmonkey AT hotmail.com>
Frederick Douglas
shang2k AT email.msn.com <shang2k AT email.msn.com>
Michael Dunn

His Tacidblue site is registered as follows:

[whois.bulkregister.com]
TacidBlue(dot)Com
5476 Counterbridge
Houston, TX 77365
US

Domain Name: TACIDBLUE.COM

Administrative Contact:
Joe Shang shang2k@email.msn.com
TacidBlue(dot)Com
5476 Counterbridge
Houston, TX 77365
US
Phone- 2813544166
Fax-
Technical Contact:
Joe Shang shang2k@email.msn.com
TacidBlue(dot)Com
5476 Counterbridge
Houston, TX 77365
US
Phone- 2813544166
Fax-

Record updated on 2001-01-27 00:00:00.
Record created on 2000-06-27.
Record expires on 2002-06-27.
Database last updated on 2001-05-04 10:05:10 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.HOSTAY.COM 209.242.115.22
NS1.LIVEDNS.CO.UK 213.171.193.14
NS.HOSTAY.NET 209.242.115.16
NS2.LIVEDNS.CO.UK 213.171.193.250

He is very fond of using the prefix "shang2K"on several email accounts. His step-father is Daniel Milk, and his mother alias is Guadalupe Milk (aka Our Lady of Guadalupe, the saint. And also, Our Lady of Milk)

A map to the registrar address is below. However, I have a 300-pound, red-haired, Texas Ranger as a cousin. He is stationed in Houston. (So, SHANG, if you're montitoring this board like I know you are....Texas State Ranger CLAY WARREN FERGUSON wants to be your friend, and he said he'd pop on in today...)

<<< Email addresses formatted. >>>

You mean cobalt.

The whole community against a child ... he must have been died with fear!

God save all from WHT :D

Shang is available at
phone # is 832-928-6623 at this time.

I think this may help.

Have you talked to him?

I just got off the phone with Mr. Shang himself! I pretended to be a prospective customer and asked a few standard questions. Here's my summary....


Companies that are threatening him: Hostyard, aussiehosts, and ForSurfers.net. I own ForSurfers.net and I know the only thing i said on his boards were warnings to his customers about Tacid's lies and stolen content.

The lady who owns Venturanza is one of Tacid's Customers/resellers.

Virtualis has stolen their content.

The board will open again when their new community of free hosting is released.

Unix servers are coming this week and month

Everyone who wanted their money back violated their TOS

He gave me a back way answer as to what high bandwidth is

He cant reveal how many people work for Tacid

The staff page being down is a mistake.

He is based out of houston.

He has to ask his supervisor if anyone asks for certain information.

He'll look into putting chilisoft asp on his unix servers for me

he has "many" customers

HostYard has stolen text and customers from them

he also said many more untruths......

he can be reached at 2813544166 today...

btw shang, next time a customer calls, watch what you say....it may not be only a customer and his piece of paper keeping track of what you say on the phone.

If i do decide to go ahead and get a court order, i'll see you in a texas court of law for defamation...

Originally posted by IPC PRO
His full name is Joshua Shang Ortiz. He has the following email accounts, used as aliases:

yaacov_100 AT yahoo.com <yaacov_100 AT yahoo.com>
Yaacov Krepch
frank AT jfweb.com <frank AT jfweb.com>
Frank Hedir
edeanp AT yahoo.com <edeanp AT yahoo.com>
Eddie Pucket
wes AT mocm.net <wes AT mocm.net>
John SingWinsber
davidf1014 AT aol.com <davidf1014 AT aol.com>
dean AT aprilwine.net <dean AT aprilwine.net>
Dean Maynard
jaftheatre AT yahoo.com <jaftheatre AT yahoo.com>
John Franco
Mkefox AT aol.com <Mkefox AT aol.com>
ladyhentai AT yahoo.com <ladyhentai AT yahoo.com>
Hentai Neko
the_winner2 AT hotmail.com <the_winner2 AT hotmail.com>
Julia Hall
binaris03 AT aol.com <binaris03 AT aol.com>
Robert Hinojosa
scankmonkey AT hotmail.com <scankmonkey AT hotmail.com>
Frederick Douglas
shang2k AT email.msn.com <shang2k AT email.msn.com>
Michael Dunn

His Tacidblue site is registered as follows:

[whois.bulkregister.com]
TacidBlue(dot)Com
5476 Counterbridge
Houston, TX 77365
US

Domain Name: TACIDBLUE.COM

Administrative Contact:
Joe Shang shang2k@email.msn.com
TacidBlue(dot)Com
5476 Counterbridge
Houston, TX 77365
US
Phone- 2813544166
Fax-
Technical Contact:
Joe Shang shang2k@email.msn.com
TacidBlue(dot)Com
5476 Counterbridge
Houston, TX 77365
US
Phone- 2813544166
Fax-

Record updated on 2001-01-27 00:00:00.
Record created on 2000-06-27.
Record expires on 2002-06-27.
Database last updated on 2001-05-04 10:05:10 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.HOSTAY.COM 209.242.115.22
NS1.LIVEDNS.CO.UK 213.171.193.14
NS.HOSTAY.NET 209.242.115.16
NS2.LIVEDNS.CO.UK 213.171.193.250

He is very fond of using the prefix "shang2K"on several email accounts. His step-father is Daniel Milk, and his mother alias is Guadalupe Milk (aka Our Lady of Guadalupe, the saint. And also, Our Lady of Milk)

A map to the registrar address is below. However, I have a 300-pound, red-haired, Texas Ranger as a cousin. He is stationed in Houston. (So, SHANG, if you're montitoring this board like I know you are....Texas State Ranger CLAY WARREN FERGUSON wants to be your friend, and he said he'd pop on in today...)

<<< Email addresses formatted. >>>


Is it possible that he also owns www.mxhub.net? Can anyone verify that he does/doesn't???

I have reasons to believe this - but I could be wrong.

--Tina

Originally posted by akashd
I just got off the phone with Mr. Shang himself! I pretended to be a prospective customer and asked a few standard questions. Here's my summary....


Companies that are threatening him: Hostyard, aussiehosts, and ForSurfers.net. I own ForSurfers.net and I know the only thing i said on his boards were warnings to his customers about Tacid's lies and stolen content.

The lady who owns Venturanza is one of Tacid's Customers/resellers.

Virtualis has stolen their content.

The board will open again when their new community of free hosting is released.

Unix servers are coming this week and month

Everyone who wanted their money back violated their TOS

He gave me a back way answer as to what high bandwidth is

He cant reveal how many people work for Tacid

The staff page being down is a mistake.

He is based out of houston.

He has to ask his supervisor if anyone asks for certain information.

He'll look into putting chilisoft asp on his unix servers for me

he has "many" customers

HostYard has stolen text and customers from them

he also said many more untruths......

he can be reached at 2813544166 today...

btw shang, next time a customer calls, watch what you say....it may not be only a customer and his piece of paper keeping track of what you say on the phone.

If i do decide to go ahead and get a court order, i'll see you in a texas court of law for defamation...

wow hes such a liar, this is pissing me off, i got a reufnd and i didnt do any TOS violation what so ever. this guy has no idea what hes doing period.

let me tell you about shang-


shang is a lier

hes 15 and that staff is fake..

I designed thier new site, not the one that looked like webhsoting.com though...

get this

he askes me to create a site for pay - good deal

did a whole site in a week when done he says...

"oh we dont want the site, but we want the images so Im taking them ok" obciously he wasnt aware of copyright laws. so then he agreed to pay $200 for the site - good deal, when he paid and uploaded he changed the site around amillion times and made it look like webhosting.com so that he could say I COPIED it and not have to pay. That is lame, the little kid needs to leave your hosting industry. BAD


That staff is all fake because he told me everything, he had to or I wouldnt do his site, its lame what he TRIED to do to me. you see his site was in PHP mine was in ASP I dont know PHP.


Just wanted to comment..... really he's a thief and a lier, not even a good lier (resells and does it well) he sux and he lies on top of it.!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My god-

and he cancelled the paypal payment

I too got a refund but did nothing against the TOS. Mine was a pretty small personal site with very little traffic. And there wasn't anything really wrong with my service (being on the NT), I just wanted to get out because I didn't like what I was seeing and hearing. It was within the 30-day money back guarantee period.

I was one of the lucky ones it seems....

Originally posted by AffordableHost



Is it possible that he also owns www.mxhub.net? Can anyone verify that he does/doesn't???

I have reasons to believe this - but I could be wrong.

--Tina

A WHOIS shows it registered to somebody in Singapore (and the contact e-mail has an "sg" level domain). That doesn't fit the Shang M.O.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

TacidHost.com is hosted at Alabanza, Tacidhost.net at VDI with a Forbidden page and tacidBlue at FastHosts. One of the funniest thing i remember about him was when he offered unlimited space and 50GB of monthly transfer for $20 per year.

BTW, if someone here got screwed by tacid and don't want to refund you, then ask for a chargeback.

for all those interested in contacting the Texas State Attorney's office, post here. I'm in the process of getting a letter ready.


BTW everyone, as of midnight 5/6/01 EST, this thread is number 4 in both views and replies in the history of this board. I think we're starting to give Mr. Shang a little too much exposure...it's bad exposure so that cancels it out:D

BTW everyone, as of midnight 5/6/01 EST, this thread is number 4 in both views and replies in the history of this board

This topic is getting huge!

Jim

WOW!

I just found this thread... I do hope that those of you who are persuing legal action keep the rest of us updated.

I hope this kid get's what he has coming...
This shang fella needs to realize what he's gotten himself into...

To paraphrase the US movie Top Gun in respect to Shang:

"... Your mouth is writing checks that your [company] can't cash..."

Just keep us posted...

Richard

wow. this is getting nut. i saw "shang" online on this board right now.. hope he clarify something out. I pretty surprise he got another site up (hostingticket.com)

Originally posted by IPC PRO
His full name is Joshua Shang Ortiz. He has the following email accounts, used as aliases:

ladyhentai@yahoo.com <ladyhentai@yahoo.com>
Hentai Neko
<the_winner2@hotmail.com>
Julia Hall


Uh, excuse me but I'm Hentai Neko and I gave him a 10 initially, but I later gave him a 1.

Julia is a friend of mine who is Italian.

So those email accounts aren't Shang's. Although both Julia and I retracted our initially 10-point reviews. We gave him 1's later on.

:)

Originally posted by akashd
The lady who owns Venturanza is one of Tacid's Customers/resellers.



Shang, excuse me, but if you check our records you'll see that Venturanza is way older than any of your Tacidblahblah.com domains so except for my parent's accounts on your resold Fasthosts servers, I am not a reseller for a good-for-nothing host.

:angry:

I would've been an NT reseller of Tacid if it weren't for your incompetence. Now I'm offering NT hosting from Aussie Hosts to my NT clients.

Your kind makes me sick!

:sickface:

Originally posted by akashd
Everyone who wanted their money back violated their TOS

He cant reveal how many people work for Tacid

The staff page being down is a mistake.

btw shang, next time a customer calls, watch what you say....it may not be only a customer and his piece of paper keeping track of what you say on the phone.

If i do decide to go ahead and get a court order, i'll see you in a texas court of law for defamation...


Point number 1: I never violated a TOS because I'm also running a hosting company and I know what TOS are for. Grrrr! I could wring his neck right now.

Point 2: How many people are working for Tacid? Ask how many clients are working for Tacid for free!

Point 3: Let's see if he puts up the same staff page. If he doesn't that means he's fabricating new staff members again because he could potentially get caught by Virtualis. And if he does, well, that would be our chance to report him to Virtualis.

Point 4: I have relatives in the States and I'm just about to have him tracked down for defamation so I just might join akashd in this lively party.

hmmm, why hasnt shang replied to any of these accusations?

...maybe cuz they are all true....

Originally posted by C0baL7_PhR3aK
hmmm, why hasnt shang replied to any of these accusations?

...maybe cuz they are all true....

Not maybe...for sure :D ;)

Well ...



I got his ph# by contacting him as a client.

He is ready to host my 200 sites for $100 a month .. and no set up ... thats less than rackshack .... how is it possible anyway ?

speaking of tacid
2 current reviews at hostsearch..:eek:
http://www.hostsearch.com/reviews.asp

WOW ... great comments



As for now there has been no useful result of this string I guess.

I don't know if this is legal, but hey, if getting to him through thelegal system fails here's an option for you:

Beat him at his own game.

WHen he rips you off, put a link to the page that has ripped you off and on your page say that it is a collaborative businesss run by you and several other web hosts that is not real. You are just testing new and innovative web hosting software with other leading companies in the industry, but if they want to see some of the 'cool' web pages you and others in your industry have created, view that page.

If several hosts with lots of clients would do that, then word from the client's stand point would go around that you "SHouldn't use Tacid because they are a fake business."

THe end result would be true.

Hey Gnorthey,

Are you saying that acouple of hosts should create a website like www.cobaltracksucks.com? But for tacidhost?

Jim

this will advertise ...... :) he is giving it for $10/year after bargain :D

Just Check out hostsearch and found tacidhost doing "very well" with their customers


Quality Hosting Services
TacidHost
by Delroy Meadows ceo/Bahamabrands.com 63.112.134.2 5/6/2001
Rating: 10


If I came here to comment about the Unlimited Webspace, Unlimitted Transfer,Unlimited Subdomains,Unlimited Pop3 emails,Unlimited Autoresponders or the huge amounts of goodies that come along with this hosting such as: CGI-Bins,FrontPage Extensions ,ASP,PERL,IHTML,SHTML,ODBC,SSL,MS SQL and WAP servers and Add-ons like Control Panels,Live Stats and Password Protection...Whheeeww.You can might as well add this review to a paragragh of someone elses.Because I came here to talk about the best Hosting Service that I have eve gotten anywhere on the net and the warm,friendly staff of TacidBlue.They make you feel at home everytime you talk to them. Thank You Tacid. Delroy Meadows.


The real truth about Tacidhost’s services from a c
TacidHost
by Brent Hummel 162.40.21.194 5/6/2001
Rating: 10


I haven't had any problems at all with my account. The servers are fast and seem to be very reliable, as well as the support that I have received from both Shang and Wes. E-mail has been working great. You get CGI, no banners, and database support. You have choices in upgrades like a control panel, live stats, and SQL. Hey it works for my site and seems to be working for me. What else can you ask for? They are trying and to me they seem to be trying pretty hard. And when they did have some problems with their Unix servers they did offer to change everyone over to NT, and when the new Unix servers feel through they stood strong and said so. I know a lot of companies would have dragged it on and on. And for a short while they stopped accepting new accounts to focus on the customers they already had. SO WHO SACRIFICED MORE? Tacid is the way to go for low cost hosting. www.advmic.com

I have a feeling shang put both of those reviews up there.

I have a feeling shang put both of those reviews up there.



Tell us something new :D

Has WHT or any of the mods received any threats from Shang yet?

Originally posted by Dylan
Has WHT or any of the mods received any threats from Shang yet?

Out of all the dirt getting thrown his way I reckon a lot of it's going to stick. I don't think Shang/Tacid is in any position to threaten anybody.

Originally posted by Dylan
Has WHT or any of the mods received any threats from Shang yet?

No, surprisingly mum on this issue so far :)

(of course, now that I've said it, we've probably jinxed ourselves :D)

It's going to snow!

He spammed my board, just before April, trying to steal my clients. My clients got pissed at him and Shang couldn't take the heat, so he sent me an email begging me to remove his threads. I don't delete threads. Threads stay.

A couple of hours later, after sending me his begging note, he sent me another email from a forged fasthosts email account representing himself as a customer service representative saying that he has reported me to the ISA protection rights and he'll take further actions against me if I don't remove the spam he posted on my board.

And: We have fined "Joe Shang," and we have stopped hosting services towards him, and further punishments due. - ha, yeah right!

Can you handle that? I think I must submit this to America's Funniest Home Videos and maybe America's Dumbest Criminals.

They're still busy putting up stolen pages (although the welcome blurb has changed - btw Shang, learn to spell, lightning hasn't got an 'e' in it)

http://www.tacidhost.com/host/status.shtml
hmm, remarkably similar to
http://community.fasthosts.co.uk/status.exe

Bizarre that they've chosen to put up fasthosts server status page when they ain't hosted there anymore, oh, and for crying out loud Shang, if you're going to steal pages from people word for word at least put a *bit* of effort in, what's the date format in the U.S? Exactly, you ain't even ripping people off right :)

'Tacidhosts' search engine listing page (not really theirs is it :) is also remarkably familiar, anyone want to put me out of my misery and tell me where that came from? I'm pretty sure it was up on OCHosting.com before they rejigged their site but I could be wrong.

I'd imagine the welcome message is just the beginning, maybe tonight we'll see all the stolen material disappear from the site (admit it, it's funny, they've even got 'Copyright © 2001 TacidBlue.Com. All Rights Reserved' at the bottom of all their pages) although somehow I doubt it since those 2 new stolen pages have been uploaded today.



As their tagline states underneath the logo - What's next?

I guess we'll just have to wait and see...

Originally posted by Dylan
It's going to snow!

He spammed my board, just before April, trying to steal my clients. My clients got pissed at him and Shang couldn't take the heat, so he sent me an email begging me to remove his threads. I don't delete threads. Threads stay.

A couple of hours later, after sending me his begging note, he sent me another email from a forged fasthosts email account representing himself as a customer service representative saying that he has reported me to the ISA protection rights and he'll take further actions against me if I don't remove the spam he posted on my board.

And: We have fined "Joe Shang," and we have stopped hosting services towards him, and further punishments due. - ha, yeah right!

Can you handle that? I think I must submit this to America's Funniest Home Videos and maybe America's Dumbest Criminals.


what happened to those threads anyways?? i can't seem to find them anymore




once again everyone, this thread is #2 in replies and #3 in views! Can we top the charts by midnight CST on 5/7/01???

They're still there. There's 2 or 3 of them that were started by him. One he renamed and the others he simply deleted the text because he couldn't delete the post or threads.

Where do you view the charts? (or most requested topics?)

:confused:

Originally posted by vizi
I have a feeling shang put both of those reviews up there.

I think somebody oughto report this fraud at Hostsearch so they'd delete him from the database.

I heard Hostsearch already did that to a few hosts who are misrepresenting themselves.

I'll try to do it later today after I get back home. I'll post on their boards and tell everybody about Tacid so they can delete him from the database.

:D

Originally posted by skysenshi
Where do you view the charts? (or most requested topics?)

:confused:

scroll to the bottom of the page when you are in a forum

Originally posted by akashd
Companies that are threatening him: Hostyard, aussiehosts, and ForSurfers.net.

Threatening him? Looking out for my best interests, and those of our clients, more like it.

If "Shang" feels threatened because I started gunning for him, then perhaps he should be a little more honest.

Gary

Ipc Pro, what happened to your cousin?

:bawling: I want a refund!! :(

Well their 20$ a year plan caught my eye, but then I found out there was no customer support, 13 year old staff members, their layout stealing ways, etc. Hey sky, I heard from Shang that he was 19. Hmm.. lies! lies! I think Shang is a fellow 13 year old like that Alex kid.

Tacid is the worst webhost I've ever ran into, right now my cgi-bin isn't even working. I'll just use it as some dummy account. Maybe get Tacid a TOS violation.
:angry:

Are Shang and FastHosts buddies? I'm surprised FH hasn't booted him yet.

ok everyone i just got off the phone with my lawyer, he has advised me that the first step is to complain to the Better Business Bureau.

If you are a customer or not, visit http://www.bbb.org and file a complaint if you have one against them.

The more complaints the bbb gets, the more likely it will me that the bbb will forward the complaints to the state and the state will investigate.


Please try to do this, it only takes 5 minutes to file the complaint. Also, so that I can keep a running count of how many people have complained, please post here when you do....

Thank you all!

akashd, the link above is for the BBB to start a file on a company because of general inquiries, not complaints.

To file a compliant you are going to have to do it with the Houston Better Business Bureau.

Their website address is www.bbbhou.org

ur more right...if that makes sense..

if you go to bbb.org and file a complaint they ask for the zip code of the business (77365) and that's how they route which area it goes to....


everyone listen to dylan and visit www.bbbhou.org

I'm not from Houston (or the States). Will they listen to my complaint?

Jin,
Is Shang still with FH? Weren't you one of the people who helped him set up accounts (because Shang had his hands too full)?

If he's still with FH, my fiancé might be able to help (with the right connections). Windows is generally easier to penetrate than Linux.

I'm not from Houston (or the States). Will they listen to my complaint?

You have to be from the US or Canada to file a complain with the BBB.

In regards to my previous post...

I mean that all the web sites who currently have content stolen from them should add a link to the page where content is stolen from them that says something like...

We here at ____ hosting company have been working with several other web hosts to develop and test new technologies to improve our clients' experience. We have been testing new software server equipment and even different networks to determine what will make your experience more enjoyable. To view this demo site, visit [Tacid host link].

WARNING! Do not purchase any services, the order forms are live and are used when we testthe account setup process. The accounts will not work properly for you and it is very difficult to refund your money. We here at ____ hosting company and our afiliates do not handle any money. Money is handled by a small company in Youstin where the book keeping is not computer automated and, quite frankly, 'lacks.'

ALSO: As a prank, as a prank, someone has submitted the site to search engines, host searches and made the company look legitimate, however it is not, and we highly suggest that if any of your friends are looking for hosting services, you advise them of this fact.




For the most part its true, except that 1) it's not a company that hosts are collaborating on, and 2) Billing is automated (automatically rips you off).

I suppose if enough hosts did this, you would discover that Tacid would have many new problems (on top of existing)

--no guarantees this is legal

Is Tacid still taking in new customers?

Looks like he'll be silent for a while. Let's just make sure that he keeps silent for a long time.

And it looks like he still hasn't stopped badmouthing cyberseven (who happens to be a client of his). Bad bad bad...

When they had that feud at the board and people were ganging up on cyberseven, I knew something was up. Good thing I kept a neutral tone in there... I've always smelled a rat at Tacid's corner everytime something bad happens... and he can't always attribute it to Friday the 13th.

New customers? Of course. Why do you think he took the board away?

gnorthey, that might backfire. You're advertising a test site. People are curious and they'll visit that site on a regular basis just for the fun of it to see what's up. Before you know it, Shang comes up with a brilliant idea and lures everybody onto the hook.

sky:
Yeah, his win2k plans are still on FH. I just set up his Cobalt servers, and he ended up canceling it and getting a refund. Hmm, I don't know what's up with Tacid... I don't really care..

Anyone know of a good unix host?

Jin, if we answer that we'll be advertising (and it's a no no here) :D


Dylan,
Looks like he's blaming cyberseven for the boards' closing. This Shang really likes to have the convenience of having to point fingers in so many directions. :angry:

It's been down for how long? If he takes so long to fix his board, I'd hate to know how long he takes to respond to support requests.

Must we spoonfeed :sickface: Shang?

I just got my Shang refund alert from instabill.com... wonder what'll happen next :confused:

Originally posted by skysenshi
I just got my Shang refund alert from instabill.com... wonder what'll happen next :confused:

i told you to raise it to $66 dollars! now your prob out 6 bucks...again not much...but you deserve a full refund.

I just talked to Shang on HumanClick:

Please wait for a site operator to respond.
You are now chatting with 'Shang'
Shang: Welcome to TacidBlue support, how may I be of assistance?
you: hey Shang!!
Shang: hello
you: I have a question
Shang: yes?
you: you are US based, right.........
Shang: and UK.. yes
you: nice!!
Please wait for a site operator to respond.
You are now chatting with 'Shang'
Shang: Welcome to TacidBlue support, how may I be of assistance?
you: Why is your server page the same as Apollo Hosting http://apollohosting.com/host/ourservers.html), your TOS the exact same as Fasthostes (http://www.fasthosts.co.uk/terms.html)? But most importantly, why do you have the exact same Operational status as Community Website????
you: and you have claimed ppl have violated the TOS and won't give them their money back when they haven't
Shang: Ok let go step by step..
you: k
you: i'm listening
You are currently not in a chat session.
Chat session has been terminated by site operator.

He ended the chat session on me!!!! Anyway, I will have my companies lawyers look into this (just joking ;) )

Go get this person!!!!!!!!!!! I will try to get more conversations going w/ him.....I will post them here if they are good.

i just finished my conversation with him about an hour ago

in it, he took responsibility about the virtualis situation, said that mxhub ripped off tacidblue's webpages, his dad is the vp of compaq, he's 22, he pays $400/month for humanclick, he's investigating 2 companies, and that he can not say anything publicly because his lawyer told him not to, he has also said that he has refunded over $12000 in the last month, and now gets about 100 customers per day.


btw, skysenshi, do you know Geroge Plakas??

if you would like to have a copy of the conversation PM me....it is over the 10,000character limit of vbulletin

Let me tell you something. Shang is only 19. He's good at talking. Don't get trick by him.

Originally posted by akashd


i told you to raise it to $66 dollars! now your prob out 6 bucks...again not much...but you deserve a full refund.

Well, I guess it's ok. I did stay for a month with his servers and that month was ok. It was the next month that went bad.

As for that $400 he invested in humanclick, I dunno, because his humanclick version looks free :D

Investigating companies my foot...

Originally posted by Dylan
It's been down for how long? If he takes so long to fix his board, I'd hate to know how long he takes to respond to support requests.


He would NEVER respond to e-mail. (Okay "never" is a a bit of hyperbole, but not much...) You would have to post a comment or request on the board or catch him on AIM (this was before he "paid" for HumanClick...).

The HumanClick Pro version is $89.50/month. A far cry from being an expensive application, unless he's aggregating his costs for the time he's had it.

Originally posted by BRossMac

You would have to post a comment or request on the board

If you want to catch his attention, you have to put threats-laced posts on the board.

That'll get you quick responses.

Just make sure you can back up your threats and something can really happen if you do put that threat into action.

But I don't think this will be hard. If many people have grievances, and lies can't be covered up properly, you can always do something to expose the perpetrator of the lies.

http://www.egn3d.com/tacid/

New Tacid design? Hummm....

wonder who that design belongs to? Or is it an original Guadalupe Milk user interface?

I actually know who did it. I own egn3d.com but don't run it.

It seems that "Shang" is up to his same old tricks again. It never ceases to amaze me that peolpe like this can survive in this Industry.

In regards to this WHT thread, "Shang" claims that "We have gotten taken care of 2 cases with the person who started the forum (17 year old) and with the owner of this other hosting company (13 year old) and we are still awaiting another case to be solved from virtualis." at:

http://www.tacidhost.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=93

I presume "The person who started the forum" is me. I could only hope to be 17 again. And the last time I heard from Virtualis, they had never heard of Tacid Host or any "investigation" he claimed they were conducting.

Some kids just never learn...

I'm assuming I am the 13 year old he is referring to, as he has stated in various chat transcripts and phone calls that the owner of ForSurfers.net(which according to him resells for Tacid) is only 13.


1) I own ForSurfers.net and I have my own servers.
2) I am in no way affiliated with Tacid(obviously)
3) I may be young but I am NOT 13 years old.

On a side note, I do not believe age has anything to do with anything, so long as you keep your customers happy and you don't do anything illegal or unethical.

Originally posted by akashd
so long as you keep your customers happy and you don't do anything illegal or unethical.

Like giving away warez of vBulletin 2 in an hosting forum *cough* Tacid *cough*

;)

Like giving away warez of vBulletin 2 in an hosting forum *cough* Tacid *cough*


What??? Why did I miss that one?

who gave away what now? i agree with dylan, there is no way i could have missed that one!



and i haven't done this in a while.............this is the most replied to thread, and the 2nd most viewed one.....good job shang!:D

He deleted it, but the post is still there

http://tacidhost.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=37

:eek:

Yes, he was giving away VB (which is better than giving away VD....

:eek:


Brad

Shang's own words (of type)....

"I just got an e-mail from hostsearch that they are amazed on hwo many reviews we had. In fact we are the most reviewed webhosting company in their database, and we have been in buisness for 3 months. Imagine in a year

We will start Project Advertising this Friday, so we will be known at least more than just hostsearch.com."

All right here: http://tacidhost.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=115

Little does he know that half of those reviews SUCKED!

Reviews-oops delete-advertising by imaginary people?

Notice most of them are cut'n'paste of the features that come with the so called tacid unlimited package?

A review is supposed to be a review, not advertising!

Wow...and then to have your clients praise you:

"well thats it ... im getting hosted here... this is the place for me if the admins passing vbulletin under tha table"

Good sound customer base.

Originally posted by Dylan
A review is supposed to be a review, not advertising!

Hostsearch must be aware of this by now.

Originally posted by HostAB.com


Like giving away warez of vBulletin 2 in an hosting forum *cough* Tacid *cough*

;)


Ahem... so that's what was going on in the old forums (the "Upload Scripts" category)

Anyhoo, looks like he's still charming a lot of people.

Akashd, I don't think any of us should be posting on those boards because he has jurisdiction there and your comments can be easily edited or deleted.

It's easier to make people look bad on those boards. Here the mods are better, and the truth can't be sealed inside an envelope.

:D


btw, isn't hostsearch going to do anything about fraudulent reviews? I saw one site deleted from their database because of the wrong plans.

I thought Tacid improved their services?

Originally posted by Editor
It never ceases to amaze me that peolpe like this can survive in this Industry.



Simple, 90+% of his clients are children who cannot afford a full-featured webhosting with the best customer support.

They have to make do with his services. And besides that, since Shang himself is a child, he can relate to the children quite well. And I can vouch for the fact that he IS quite charming. My friend Julia and I were almost done in by that charm.

Also, his clients generally do not have to worry about business, or feeding a family, or creating a site where their families and loved-ones will be depending on for survival.

They can endure poor support and sometimes unprofessional verbal abuse because they do not have other people depending on them. They are still dependent on their parents or guardians.

My only worry is that these clients who staunchly defend Tacid (though I cannot blame them), grow up not learning the true value of money, or even the value of true customer service. I hope they realize that whether their parents give them $20 (and I'm sure it's their parents' credit cards that they are using) or $100, that money didn't come from their parents' magic words but through their hard work.

I wish some children can be considerate of their parents' as well.

btw, that new design at
http://www.egn3d.com/tacid/


looks suspiciously like my cousin's gaming site
http://www.disc13.com

but, nah! many layouts are similar. Maybe I'm just imagining the similarities. At least we weren't directly ripped off...

(...except for that red hat linux button I created that's still present on his site...)

You American's are very funy ppl :)

I really have dam good time, when I read WHT sometimes :)

:cool: and you are from :cool:

Originally posted by NEMON
You American's are very funy ppl :)

Us Aussies have a good sense of humour too mate! :-)

Hey...I really, really like your www.promo-media.hr website. Can't understand a word it says...but it is very good on the eye. Well done.

Gary

Originally posted by Dylan
:cool: and you are from :cool:

Europ, Croatia. If you really wana know you can go here.

http://www.hr/ - it's on english

Originally posted by Editor


Us Aussies have a good sense of humour too mate! :-)

Hey...I really, really like your www.promo-media.hr website. Can't understand a word it says...but it is very good on the eye. Well done.

Gary

Thank you. I am sorry that you didn't understand nothing, but we are working on english pages to. They will be out very soon (hopefully) on next adress. www.promo-media.net

If you need any design service let us know :) We do that for living :) I have good team of ppl working here. I am Very proud of them all.


Regards,
Ivan

Originally posted by NEMON
I am sorry that you didn't understand nothing

No, I didn't understand anything.

(just to confuse things...)

:-)

Gary

:D

does anyone at vbulletin know about shang???

For those of you think that I shouldn't post there, I am still working to try and get him to admit his guilt, not just pass it on to "Alex". As soon as he said that he owned ForSurfers.net, I became involved. I'm not trying to win his customers(which i dont want), I'm just trying to prevent customers from losing money. For people from other countries $20 is a lot of hard work, you don't just pick it from a money tree.

does anyone at vbulletin know about shang???

Yes, I have sent them an email.

Originally posted by akashd
As soon as he said that he owned ForSurfers.net, I became involved.

That is the reason I took a more than passing interest in them. The bogus hostsearch reviews, the poaching on other hosts' forums, they were one thing...none of my business. But when he made a claim that we were reselling for him........well, the rest is history. :-)

My friend Chris (from egn3d.com) that design. (http://www.egn3d.com/tacid/)

I saw it as he worked on it so I know that he didn't copy it from anywhere. He's very good at what he does.

BTW, I showed Chris this thread all he could say was "I don't like Shang and I know he has bad business practices, but a free server is a free server. :)"

hehe, guess I can't blame him to much. He actually hasn't had any problems with the machine to much. Only Tacid's customer service.

Originally posted by NEMON
You American's are very funy ppl :)

I really have dam good time, when I read WHT sometimes :)

Uh, no, I'm not American, and I've only been on US shores once in my life (when I was 18).

Akashd,
Yup we all want to prevent people from losing money (especially when children forget that their parents work hard for those). I didn't know he told everybody you were reselling for him. My only worry for you is that people at the Tacid boards are Tacid fanatics. They'd most likely tear you to shreds like they did to cyberseven and tjuice66 and make you look like the bad guy when actually you were one of the people with legit grievances.

dustin,
Yup, like I said, I imagine things. Besides, hi-techy video game layout is already pretty common these days so it's not unusual that we'll be having similar layouts. Speaking of layouts, our disc13's is already 1 year old. I guess we better change it now.

Speaking of Americans (back to the first topic), I'm listening to an American CD right now (I believe it's Destiny's Child) and I say your music rocks! :D

Originally posted by akashd
For people from other countries $20 is a lot of hard work, you don't just pick it from a money tree.


Right on the dot! I remember I told somebody at the Tacid boards that in my country you can buy 15 Big Macs and 2 movie tickets for that money.

You can also buy a gold engagement ring for that kind of money in my country. :)

So sometimes, when people say, "It's only 20, blah blah" I get a bit irritated. They dismiss money so easily because they obviously don't work for it.

skysenshi, BTW, what also rocks are some of your websites. After a thread a few weeks ago I took a look at it, very appealing. Don't know the URL any more, but I was impressed by your personal note about why you are doing this and why you don't like to be flamed :)

Originally posted by Walter
skysenshi, BTW, what also rocks are some of your websites. After a thread a few weeks ago I took a look at it, very appealing. Don't know the URL any more, but I was impressed by your personal note about why you are doing this and why you don't like to be flamed :)


http://www.hentaineko.com ?

That's the site that used to be hosted on Tacid. Now I see my stupidity. I should've gone straight to Dylan for support when I discovered Shang was reselling for Dylan. I might've gotten a better response :bawling:


Oh, well. I'll just charge it to experience, I guess :blush:

Yes, you are right with your URL. I didn't found it anymore :)

Originally posted by akashd
does anyone at vbulletin know about shang???

I also emailed them.

For people from other countries $20 is a lot of hard work, you don't just pick it from a money tree

I don't think there is any money tree not even in USA.

It depend upon person to person. I am sure your country may have more than thousands of people for whom $20 would be nothing... You know in NY you may get killed for $5... you are talking about $20 which means 4 lives.

Originally posted by m6.net


It depend upon person to person. I am sure your country may have more than thousands of people for whom $20 would be nothing... You know in NY you may get killed for $5... you are talking about $20 which means 4 lives.

Now that's what I call Fuzzy Math!

Hi everyone, brand new but been following this thread for a while... sickening.
Another poster in a different thread pointed out that Shang has now setup http://www.hostingticket.com (http://www.hostingticket.com/)
and I see that all the lies about owning a high-tech Data Centre etc. are all back. Isn't this borderline fraud?? Surely there must be some kind of law against this kind of business practice so someone can close him down?

Adam

Originally posted by AdamUk
Hi everyone, brand new but been following this thread for a while... sickening.
Another poster in a different thread pointed out that Shang has now setup http://www.hostingticket.com (http://www.hostingticket.com/)


Striding Spider owns that domain. I remember, he had an argument with Shang because it was Shang who registered this domain, but wouldn't put Stridin as the contact.

We need to tell all the hosting directories about this forum and give them the link, that way they don't allow tancidblue to advertise with them...

This is just a thought...

But has anybody here paid a visit to his house? Maybe a *cough* Good old fashioned ass-kicking? Just a though :-)

I don't see how that would be in their interests...

Some of the webhosting directories would shrivel if the word got out about this board. Their credibility would get sucked right down the proverbial toilet.

:: wishing there was a smily face for something getting sucked right down the proverbial toilet ::

we'll i've been posting at the tacidhost message board to let people know... if everybody from here got an account on that board and started telling all his customers :-)

Yeah, you guessed it, this is Wes, the 'self-confessed right hand man'. And you also guessed it, I used to help out around Tacid and do tech support and all this good stuff. However, I don't anymore. I tried to keep up with the workload that I had, and it didn't work. Honestly, and Shang can hate me if he sees this, I think he's got too much to handle at this point. It started out nice, I could keep my sector happy and operational, and everything just kept going wrong, kept going bad, so I couldnt take it anymore, I left. In my opinion, the issue at hand is moreso that Shang can't handle all the work, and has resorted in the past (and still may, either way it was a bad decision) to lying to the customers. I dont know whether I'm talking for or against Shang at this point, but it doesn't really matter so much as just the weird, sad truth of my experience with working at Tacid. (Especially since I'm not your run-of-the-mill 'technical whiz' when it comes to servers and all that good stuff, nor have I ever had my website hosted at TacidBlue. Mocm.net is hosted with Dylan, at HostYard, and I hope I havent earned myself a bad name with him by confessing such.)

And the tagline, we designed our layout mutually, so it doesnt matter really to me if Shang uses it or not -- although since I dont have enough time or effort to change my entire layout again, I probobly wont get around to changing it.

Have a good one, I suppose.

--Wes

Originally posted by skysenshi
btw, that new design at
http://www.egn3d.com/tacid/




This so called "what you're doing for fun" is quite well designed, frankly. If Tacid saw it, i wonder when will him change a new layout.. have someone email him about this "branded" free stuff.. he must be surpise and wondering if money really fall fro the sky..

I want to note you,.. There have been some problems at tacidhost,.. ok,.. They aer resellers.. so I dont mind,.. But what I dont like,. I have been hosting quite a time there now,.. Everybodey sey that support SUX,.. WHY THAT?? because of the cheap hosting,.. It attracts "cheap customers" most of them don't even know what ftp is!!,..(in a matter of speaking),..I agree that they don't answer there stupid questions,. Everything you need to know is right at the websites or the things you have to know by yourselve,..

I've got no problems at all against tacishost and Shang,... The only thing is that they MAY NOT call themselves a host,...About our server I have nothing to complain..It is a great server and I've got no problems at all!!

Hope that some people change their mind now..

Originally posted by gitaarwerk.net
Everybodey sey that support SUX,.. WHY THAT?? because of the cheap hosting,.. It attracts "cheap customers" most of them don't even know what ftp is!!,..(in a matter of speaking),..I agree that they don't answer there stupid questions,. Everything you need to know is right at the websites or the things you have to know by yourselve,..


Well you may be right in that cheap hosting attracts cheap customers. Where you are wrong is in saying that this lets Tacid off the hook. You can't blame the customers.

If Tacid advertises a service and does not provide that service, that is not the customers' fault. It doesn't matter if the customers' questions are "stupid". If you as a host say you offer customer support and don't provide it you are at fault. Especially when you don't respond to e-mails, which Shang was (is?) notorious for. Then lying to customers and blaming them for your problems is not only bad business but personally reprehensible.

Brad

P.S. Hi Wes! Welcome to a REAL hosting forum. (Wes was one of the few really helpful people at Tacid....)

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! Gotta love Texas......Bush and Tacid :D :stickout :D :stickout

This is for bad customer care :angry: :kaioken: :angry: :kaioken:

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LOL!! :emlaugh:

Thanks for the welcome, Brad, although I'm not much of a 'hosting specialist', just your average computer whiz with everything but hosting. To tell the truth, I thought about starting my own reselling buisness until I actually saw what goes on and all the crap that happens around 'the office'. Ugh. Anyway, I guess that's better than me starting one and not doing well with it, it kinda shows what happens, doesn't it?

On the more related topic: customer care. One of my personal favorites in what I did do, helping the people I could. I've never really demanded much of the tech support over at my host, just some general info about PHP/SQL, but in general I've seen better service elsewhere, much better. I wasnt minding the idea of support voulenteers (mainly because I was one, but I was good at it.) but Shang has mistaken himself by not being picky enough. even I had lots of difficulty answering some questions the users came to me with. Although, unlike the others, I would fess up when I didnt know or couldn't find out, and apologize. That's just part of the job sometimes, as much as I hated it.

Maybe I'll stick around, and learn some new 'tricks', eh? :cool:

--Wes

www.tacidhost.com

This account has been disabled..
To have the account restored, contact Customer Service.

I wonder what's going to happen to the exsisting clients?

and who and why did they only decide to close it now?

Well it seems their host apollohosting.com (I think) disabled their account for one reason or another.

Originally posted by Aeolis
One of my personal favorites in what I did do, helping the people I could. .....
Maybe I'll stick around, and learn some new 'tricks', eh?

Welcome Wes, stay on WHT, you can learn and help other people. :)

Originally posted by Get-Hosted.com
Well it seems their host apollohosting.com (I think) disabled their account for one reason or another.

Nope, it appears that apollohosting.com is their new host. Look a the date that domain record was changed - May 24.

Nope, apollohosting has been their host for a while now. I remember e-mailing them, asking them to investigate shang because his ripped off works violated their TOS...guess they listened

Hmmm....

Actually, I still have 2 domains hosted at Tacid's fasthosts (which I paid $10 for, separate from that $60 that Shang refunded).

This was before I started having doubts about Tacid.

I wonder what will happen to those two accounts now...

You know who to call if you get stuck Sky. :-)

Gary

Originally posted by Editor
You know who to call if you get stuck Sky. :-)

Gary


Of course! ;)


Now, my only concern is getting rebilled $10 on the next year *shiver*

As if his services weren't bad enough, check his grammar


(From his message boards)

Truth? I have said the truth, if you do not believe me, or them, I do not I do not really care, all I need to be cared about is if my customers are happy, and they are getting what they get, and this is a difficult task. My lawyers? I have attorneys, they investigated the matter and they just adviced me to not worry a bit about it. It is not my problem you and the rest of those people who blame us for most of the things that are loosing buisness, I try to conduct business hard and as the best way I can.


And my personal favoirite

I do know we had some downhills and I have taken every step not to be caused again.

If I deconstrut that properly, I think he says he doesn't want to be caused again...

Also of great interest, as I have been catching up on several pages of threads on Tacid, I noticed someone mentioned all his (most) clients were children.

I'ld have to say that either they are children or very, very stupid people. Who on earth posts, a message saying they're glad the admins post warez?

Not any legit business that I know.

BTW: I heard some radio ad ver some business alliance group that prosecutes software paracy, something like $25K per copy pirated. Maybe you can put acid out that way.

and he wants to lower his price or offer lifetime hosting for $60 - please - then he mentions, oh... should we just make it $5/month? - confused -

Are all the posts from shange himself?

Originally posted by gnorthey
I'ld have to say that either they are children or very, very stupid people. Who on earth posts, a message saying they're glad the admins post warez?



Not to generalize stupid people or children, but those are exactly the kind of people who would insist to have unlimited everything for $20/year.

People in the real world would be smarter to think that something like that is too good to be true.

As for lifetime hosting. I think he's gonna be kicked out faster by fasthosts if he did that....

/me thinks what does shang do with the money he gets from his poorly suffered clients ??


by the time, he would be stable enough to go for movie every weekend. :) :D

I wish I could join Shang ;) :emlaugh:

anyways, why not email the link to this thread to his host.
he must suffer for what he is doing.

(remember.. the communitech.net one with me ?? :(

after that I am careful enough..


Thanks,

Originally posted by gnorthey
As if his services weren't bad enough, check his grammar

I do know we had some downhills and I have taken every step not to be caused again.


What do you mean? With grammar like that he could be president....

:stickout:

Brad

Yes... I can see Shang's presidential campaign already...

Vote shang, $20 a year taxes or a lifetime taxation, one easy payment of $60.







You get what you pay for

Either Shang's worked something out with Apollo Hosting...or Tacidhost is now with an Apollo reseller :rolleyes:

P.S. lahlah.net is a Tacid reseller from Malaysia.

i told you all this would happen again! look at his board, just 1 week ago i saw more happy customers than angry ones, now it has reversed. Shang hasn't been seen for 12 hours now, and his support has disappeared! even one of the board admins is mad at shang!

Does apollohosting visit these forums?

akashd, is that the same admin who posted:

Tacid is ownage.
Gotta love tha 20$/year !

Incredible. :-)

I signed onto tacid four days ago and received nothing. I have ben trying to get refunded and get no answer. Looks like I am outof luck on this one.

editor, i'm talking about Ares, i don't know if that is the same admin or not......

mekmal, if you live in the us, call your credit card company or instabill and ask for a chargeback. you get your money back and revenge against TacidHost at the same time! the more chargebacks Shang gets, the chances are instabill will cancel his account with them(that's what happened to Hosthem if anyone remembers). The sooner you do this the better...

I'm in the Navy stationed in japan. I will try and give them a call though.

in the navy, stationed in japan, the weekend pearl harbor is released......what's it feel like?

It has been edited so as not to offend them. but it should still be a shock to alot of them as they are taught in history here that we started the war.

didn't mean to get off topic here....

but they teach that in Japan????


that is amazing, 50+ years after the war, they still think they wern't the bad guys

It is. All the memorials and peace parks (Nagasaki and Hiroshima) all display their view point as to the war and it shows we started it then when they began a "new offensive" we used the Atomic bomb to attempt complete destruction of Japan.

Going back to the topic (sorry WWII was a sensitive topic in my country but we're hoping to have better relations with Japan :D especially as we're so obsessed with their anime :blush: )...

uh, akashd, what happy customers are we talking about? In the Tacid forum?

mekmal, if you're in Japan, the most effective way of getting Shang's attention is to ask instabill directly for a chargeback.

Thank you

oh..i meant to put happy in quotes, ie "happy"......the ones on his board that say, "for $20/year this service rocks!"

GeoCities gives 10x better service, and GeoCities is free :D

Is Shang taking all the credit for his site design now?

http://www.tacidhost.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=231

Well I did not stole my design, if you are wondering about mocm.net, I built that site for him first, then I later on decided to use it on mine.

Question: What happens to all of Shang's Win2k customers if Fasthosts shuts down his account?

Funny... I thought the ones who *attacked* first were the ones who started it. All I can imagine that the US did to even be *close* to a provocation was the fact that we refused to sell oil to them. And even then, that's less a provocation than a statement saying "We don't approve of your invasion of Manchuria or your alliancce with Germany, etc. etc. etc...."

But in any case, this comment is off-topic! Tacidhost yea!

Shang really likes warez :D Do a whois for undergroundwarez.net and you'll see it's registered under Shang's name and he also host it from what i heard (well, ok, read) in his forum. Way to Go Shang ;)

I don't think that site actually stores warez on their server. The files are all on free sites like Angelfire, etc.

P.S. Can anyone tell me what happens to all of Shang's Win2k customers if Fasthosts shut down his reseller account?

I don't see the difference between hosting the files on the server or on angelfire's servers (exept anglefire is paying the bandwidth), warez is still warez.

As for the customers, i don't know, i guess, like the last time, they lose their accounts :(

Actually the files hosting on that site were on rootweb.com, He doesn't say he actually runs it, he could have registered that domain for someone.

As for hosting warez, and uploading it to a free host, if your host it, your in even more trouble by the bsa. All a free host can really do is delete the content....

Hmm.. I wonder is the Tacidhost.com vBulletin a license copy?

Originally posted by determinist
Hmm.. I wonder is the Tacidhost.com vBulletin a license copy?

shang was illegally distributing that through his board...

Originally posted by akashd

shang was illegally distributing that through his board...

:eek: A warez board in disguise!?

Hi all.

Yesterday i send some "hard words" on his board.
Today he deleted the whole threat...

But take a look at this:

This is HumanClick on tracid


Please wait for a site operator to respond.
You are now chatting with 'Alexander'
you: hello?
Alexander: hello how may I help you
you: Are you here?
Alexander: yes
you: Ok if i send you a check for $100.
Alexander: ?
you: can you setup a unix account for me?
Alexander: not yet
you: Ai... would it take a long time?
Chat session has ended


What is this???
I was talking to someone...
Shang... is this the way?

Why did "alexander" hang up?
Its rude isn't it ???

This is what hapend on tracid...
Daily..

But who is Alex