Anybody knows an open source, but high quality cloud software?

We've looked at some cloud computing software. Some of them had installed, some just read about.

Do you know about an open source cloud computing software which will allow to do the following (I may still miss some of the important functionality):

1. Will allow to create a virtual computer with more CPU power than the physical node. (like 3terra allows to do)

2. Will have a management and accounting interface (I think like RightScale)

3. Will be able to recover (self healing) ( I think like Vmvare Motion)

4. Expandable on the fly.

5. With replaceable nodes on the fly.

6. Will be free

7. Will allow to create a storage larger than a single physical node storage (when staorge is distributed).

May be I am asking too much. Ubuntu cloud (we had an installation) didn't have
any of the features, except #6 ;)

Do you have any recommendations (except like to get a commercial one) ?

Is there a particular reason you need it to be open source? Or is it just for the cost factor?

At this time the opensource software does not compare to the commercially supported closed source options.

Is there a particular reason you need it to be open source? Or is it just for the cost factor?

At this time the opensource software does not compare to the commercially supported closed source options.

It is just a cost factor.

Great thread to start, am very much interested on this too, probably would be able to create this sooner

I dont know that is open source - but I think Onapp has a very good interface for a very low cost. If you are looking for basic features for low cost - plus support - this would be a good thing for you to look at.

There is eucalyptus - but I am not sure this is a good thing. I looked at it and opted not to go that direction personally.

disclosure - i run on vmware - but that is a different cost proposition for you.

I dont know that is open source - but I think Onapp has a very good interface for a very low cost. If you are looking for basic features for low cost - plus support - this would be a good thing for you to look at.

There is eucalyptus - but I am not sure this is a good thing. I looked at it and opted not to go that direction personally.

disclosure - i run on vmware - but that is a different cost proposition for you.

Yes, we've tried eucalyptus installation and didn't like it at all. Biggest complain - recoverability.

Thank you for the advice regarding Onapp.

I know you said open source, but why not just install VMware ESXi or XenServer? It's free so the cost factor is there..

I know you said open source, but why not just install VMware ESXi or XenServer? It's free so the cost factor is there..

What would be the point of that? He's looking for HA. Unfortunately that is a feature that doesn't come out of the box ready with the free versions.

http://www.openstack.org/

It is supported by some very big names such as Rackspace, NASA, Citrix, Softlayer etc (full list here http://www.openstack.org/community/).

It seems they also have some level of support for the Amazon API as well. Basically it looks like being the most interesting of the open source cloud implementations.

Hexagrid also there

I would give a +1 recommendation for Onapp. Its cost effective and comes with a great support!

http://www.xen.org/products/cloudxen.html

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I don't think Hexagrid is free or opensource and has anyone tried cloudxen?

I am also interested if anyone has used the cloudxen with the http://www.openxenmanager.com/ front end. This seems like a slightly easier setup than using http://www.opennebula.org/ and xen.

Anyone used either of these?

It is supported by some very big names such as Rackspace, NASA, Citrix, Softlayer etc (full list here ).

It seems they also have some level of support for the Amazon API as well. Basically it looks like being the most interesting of the open source cloud implementations.

Yes it looks very good. I plan on going with rackspace soon. I need a better host bad. I am gonna go with cloud computing.

Open source is awesome since you have the community efforts. Way cool!

Anyone know how Rackspace is doing with it?

OpenQRM is available, but it depends on your decided-on definition of "cloud". The industry sure hasn't yet. ;)

http://www.openqrm.com/

@Dougy xcp is still in testing (can't wait for final :) ) and I believe that the OP needs an entire platform together with integration with a billing software a.s.o.

@OP openstack is just a package of APIs, you will need to build your own control panel for it and perhaps add it to the community to support their efforts.

This is a interesting topic, and I did take a look at Onapp but it seems after 1 year, you need to pay quite a number of money, but the colud hosting is cheaper and cheaper, I am not sure if we end up work for Onapp, haha.

Is there any other solution which is not open source, but pricing structure is cheaper than Onapp ?

Citrix Xen is great, except when you need support (and trust me, you will sometimes) at $400.00 per ticket if you're using the free version.

+1 for http://www.openstack.org/

This is a interesting topic, and I did take a look at Onapp but it seems after 1 year, you need to pay quite a number of money, but the colud hosting is cheaper and cheaper, I am not sure if we end up work for Onapp, haha.

Is there any other solution which is not open source, but pricing structure is cheaper than Onapp ?

You can spend a lot of time (and time is money) trying to make it all work or you can use a product like onAPP and concentrate on making money and getting customers. If your a small company then a product like OnApp makes sense. If your a larger company and can dedicate an engineers salary to trying to figure it all out then it makes sense to go that route.

Thanks for the great topic!

I would like nothing more than to use OpenStack, but when you look at the install instructions (http://wiki.openstack.org/InstallInstructions) and then see the problems people are having under questions (https://answers.launchpad.net/openstack), it starts to look ugly.

My guess is that the Bexar release on Feb. 3 (http://wiki.openstack.org/BexarReleaseSchedule) would be the earliest you would want to touch this. Even then, though, I would guess that Eucalyptus Community (http://open.eucalyptus.com/forums/eucalyptus-community-cloud) would be much easier to implement (much more stable).

That said, my impression is that software-based data redundancy is nonexistent in eucalyptus. In OpenStack, you could theoretically use commodity servers and have cold storage data distributed across the nodes (allowing individual node failure). In Eucalyptus, it seems as though everything hinges on a single point of failure SAN, single point of failure Cloud Controller, etc.

On top of this, there is such a great shroud around Eucalyptus Enterprise and open source support that it is difficult to figure out actual costs. For example, if it takes approx. $25,000 for the bit of software to get the SAN/other features to work properly (I’m not sure whether this changed with 2.01: http://open.eucalyptus.com/forum/eucalyptus-201-update-now-available), that would be a factor.

I would love to hear someone tell me (a) that OpenStack would actually be a viable option for a production platform, or (b) that Eucalyptus could be setup in a way that is not massively vulnerable to data loss/SPOF, and without enterprise licenses (or if an enterprise license is required, clear info on actual prices and benefits).

Awesome thread. I'm really interested in this. Let us know how openstack pans out.

You can spend a lot of time (and time is money) trying to make it all work or you can use a product like onAPP and concentrate on making money and getting customers. If your a small company then a product like OnApp makes sense. If your a larger company and can dedicate an engineers salary to trying to figure it all out then it makes sense to go that route.

Yes, I agree with you.
Onapp is one thing that is really great, I think, it allow you to pay them one year later, if the cloud service I provide is not in a good sale, we can always stop it.

Do you think how much money you will need to invest to meet onApp's min requirement ?
Do you think I can rent all onapp min requirement in softlayer ? Cause I think if I just rent all the hardware and test the cloud market, maybe buy all hardware later.

Yes, I agree with you.
Onapp is one thing that is really great, I think, it allow you to pay them one year later, if the cloud service I provide is not in a good sale, we can always stop it.

Do you think how much money you will need to invest to meet onApp's min requirement ?
Do you think I can rent all onapp min requirement in softlayer ? Cause I think if I just rent all the hardware and test the cloud market, maybe buy all hardware later.

You can rent the hardware you need from a provide like SoftLayer for sure.
Have a look here: http://onapp.com/get-onapp/hardware-requirements
We have created a "shopping list" for an idea of how you can set up an environment for OnApp: http://onapp.com/blog/post/hardware-shopping-list

Any questions you can reach me on caroline[at]onapp.com

You can also check OnApp's list of partner's. http://onapp.com/about/partners and see which one fits in your budget.

Call me crazy, but +1 for HyperVM. Even though since the original owners death last year I still think it is solid software since the new people have taken over they have been maintaining it. So that is nice. and it is considered opensource now to my understanding.

This is a interesting topic, and I did take a look at Onapp but it seems after 1 year, you need to pay quite a number of money, but the colud hosting is cheaper and cheaper, I am not sure if we end up work for Onapp, haha.

Is there any other solution which is not open source, but pricing structure is cheaper than Onapp ?

They have 15 min response time SLA and the price you pay for Onapp is worth for the support you get :)
Open-source scripts won't get you any priority support and the money you spend on techs to do that is compensated by Onapp.

Yes, I agree with you.
Onapp is one thing that is really great, I think, it allow you to pay them one year later, if the cloud service I provide is not in a good sale, we can always stop it.

Do you think how much money you will need to invest to meet onApp's min requirement ?
Do you think I can rent all onapp min requirement in softlayer ? Cause I think if I just rent all the hardware and test the cloud market, maybe buy all hardware later.
Make the test with Dedicatednow. We didn't have a pleasant experience with softlayer SAN in both testing and production environment.

Onapp is very good and will be worth the investment. Make sure you consult their technical support to meet all the requirement and best practices.

onapp.com
They offer Cloud engine for hosting providers free for a year.

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what's the price of 3Tera AppLogic?

try onapp.com

what's the price of 3Tera AppLogic?

You will need to email them up for latest pricing, but last I checked it was very competitive with OnApp and was on a per socket basis. Plus, you don't have to deploy an expensive external SAN, as you can make use of a local SAN for very good performance.


Just do your homework before you go with any cloud software. There is a lot of behinds the scene work involved that you never think about until it is there in your face.

they have all the features you are looking for, open source (open.cloud.com), and a number of service providers are using their platform.

There are some threads here about their cloud hosting; not too many good reviews on that. I hear complaints.
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1009268&highlight=rackspace+cloud

Hey Tulix. I think OpenStack is best for fulfilling list of your requirement ;).